thinking about pulling the trigger on this bag https://www.r

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I'm also looking at getting the REI Flash or the Recon 3 (pic related)

I think the Flash is lighter (1 lb vs 3 lbs) but that also means not as heavy duty. Both about the same price...

I've got the Igneo.
Would recommend.
20F 700 fill down bag.

>>891648
Oh shit it's only 175 shekels. I'd definitely use this for summer spring and fall.

>>891648
what's freezing and room temp in american degrees?

>>892456
32 freezing ~72 room temp
i hate it too

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>>891648

Always try a bag out in person before buying. Roll it up and see how big it actually is. Zip the zipper a few times to see if it snags. It's one of the most important /out/ items you will ever buy so take it seriously and never buy sight unseen.

>pic related, my 40 degree Marmot summer bag

>>891648
Take a look at the Kelty Cosmic 20, it's rated at a lower temp and is about $50 cheaper than the flash. It does weigh a little bit more though. I think around 10oz....

>>891648
100-150 buck budget, any recommendations?

>>894436
>Kelty Cosmic 20
it's compressed size is 10L, compared to 3.7 for the flash
i want to decrease my pack size

>>895185
Just purchased the KLYMIT KSB 20 Degree Bag.
Amazon sells it for $140.
Packs down to approx the size of a rugby ball.

I haven't tried it yet, so take all this with a grain of salt. but it seems comparable to the Kelty Cosmic 20. But with the addition of "flexible baffles" that allows for a wider range of motion in the bag without sacrificing heat as they contour to whatever position your in.

>>891648
FYI, only part (blue baffles) of that bag is down. The majority is synthetic and it probably won't compress as much as you'd like.

>>896242
Try TNF Furnace. I have the blue one (forget the rating) and it packs down really, really small.

Also if you can go to the store and try it out. A lot of them pack down more than the internet says. And some of them are shorter than what is said on the websites. I tried the Cosmic and it said it sleeps taller people than me and it definitely does not. Which is why I went with the furnace.

>>891648
note though that it has a LIMIT rating of 29 degrees. Usually it's a good idea to orient yourself at the COMFORT rating of a bag which in this case is 41 degrees

I mean to be honest the comfort rating is targeted at a standard women and the limit rating at standard men but I've found the ratings to be rather optimistic. Also they are calculated expecting the person to be within a tent and wearing one layer of thermal underwear.

That being said the bag looks pretty good for the price

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>>891648
>29 american degrees limit
Just remember that a sleeping bag starts to feel cold before you reach the limit. I like to give myself an extra 10 degrees or so. If it's going to be freezing or below, I tend to use the -15F winter bag. My summer bag is an 800 fill down <2-pound +20F model, but I tend to feel cold in it if gets down to +30F. When I'm uncertain how cold it's going to be, I have a 1 lb polyester (?) over-bag for the +20F bag, which allegedly gives me another 20 degrees lower. Pic related, the Moonstone Lucid, the +20F bag I've been using for years. I think the company is gone, however.

>>898033
>TNF Furnace
looks like a good bag to me. what would you compare it's compressed size to?
also how tall are you and does it fit you well?

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was going to create own thread but anyone tried Enlightened Equipment Revelation, and is it any good.

also best slleping bags for 20C to below freezing,

Are snugpaks any good? They seem relativity cheap for a 0 degree bag

>>899837

If you want to get one be prepared to wait a month or more for it. I ordered one in late august / early september ish for a trip in october. October rolled around and I had to cancel the order; they hadn't even begun making it yet.

>>900887

I have a snugpak elite 4, 130 euro's but kept me warm. most nights i dont even close the bag completely..
Stats says max -10 degrees celsius
Bag is kind of heavy, 1950 grams..

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Piggybacking on this thread because it seems close enough to a bag general:

Are there any lightweight bags in the rectangle style like this? Anyone know of any brands offhand?

>>901278
REI's website lets you sort by shape of bag.
looks like most of em are either for car camping or warm weather. IDK what you consider light, but here's a 40 degree bag less than 3 lbs
https://www.rei.com/product/895335/the-north-face-dolomite-40-sleeping-bag

>>901278
nemo strato

>>901226
This is definitely the best option.

I wear this the whole time.

It saves you pack space so you can bring extra gear. The space I used to use for a sleeping bag is now used for my dutch oven

>>901953
Just bring some beans and you can make your own Dutch oven

>>902640
:^)

>>899837
>>901054
True, and yet worth the wait.

I ordered before Xmas and rcvd in Feb.

My best. I use it flat on my bed as a comforter.

SO COZY!

>28 oz, revelation 20*f, 850fill, long, x-wide mazterraz

>>901873
Also. 2x zip together fuck palace.

I use BA insulated Q-Core air mats, like a God.

What is the price range on bags to -20celsius?
I had the german algemein 2 arma bag.
When you get in its hot as hell, when you start sleeping you cool down and thw temp is ok.
I hated the plastic inside of it.
Also slept outside without isomattres or tent, just in the open. In the morning it had a layer of frost on it.

>>891648
I wouldn't; I've owned an REI bag for less than 2 years now and it sheds clusters like fucking crazy, the stitching is coming undone and though its a 20 rated, I was often waking up cold in 40 degree temps. That and it loses a ton of loft after being compressed, not sure where they get their down but I've been washing my bad with down wash every other week now just to make it usable again.

Of course If you're a casual and don't sleep below 30 degrees more than a few nights a year, you should be fine.

>>891648

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kelty-cosmic-down-sleeping-bags

Better get on it quickly

>>903404
>200 dollars for a sleeping pad
i'd love to kno how much better it insulates compared to a cheap pos combined with a mylar blanket

>>904446
Dude, do you current price?

Or is it cushy hate? And YES! 4" of fucking backside love!

I would not use the Nemo Stratosphere w/o insulated pads. There is no fill on the bottom, that saves weight.

Much like the Sierra Designs Backcountry Bed is only half fill on the backside.

The B/A insulated Q-Core long, wide <barely> fits the zip pocket, but does and holds in place tightly.

REI takes returns like a crack whore sucks cock...

>anytime, any reason

I returned the Nemo Mezosphere bags when the Stratosphere went on sale. (Because they had a dog hair on them both.) Less weight, less bulk, more insulated.

Still a heavy combo option. About 4.5#'s each.

GREAT for car camping in my Tikla Teahouse 3.

Really nice and roomy setup for a rainy day and saucy puss.

>>904481
i don't know what you're saying but i like the style in which you say it.

Is it possible to find a double sleeping bag no more than 5 pounds that can handle 20 degrees?

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I got the Klymit KSB 0˚ Synthetic Realtree® Xtra Sleeping Bag last week for an unexpected $40 discount. I'm vegan and wanted a bag to replace a traditional sheets and blanket bedroom set up, and this was the best I could find in terms of functionality and style.

I got my order this week but Klymit fucked up and sent me a 20 degree instead, which was either them intentionally trying to gyp me (which seems unlikely), or they just send this stuff out manually, in which case the representative probably saw the $180 price tag and assumed I was getting the 20 degree instead. I called today and I will be getting sent my bag in the coming week.

Anyway, this bag was unexpectedly light. Not too bulky either. It was very warm inside and pretty comfy. I also really like the design; it's one of the coolest looking bags, synthetic or otherwise, that you could buy. It's soft and roomy. And finally, when you zip it up, it zips without catching on any of the bag material, so there's no pain in the ass there.

Pretty good bag. I might think twice before recommending the company, as I did get a fucked up order, plus the bag is made in China, but they were good enough to give a discount on Cyber Week and they aren't going to charge me for their mistake, but as far as the bag goes, it's pretty cool and you should consider it if you have similar criteria as me.

>>906041
Looks like those don't exist. Consider getting one of Nemo's double sleeping bags and getting a liner that will add the extra 10 degrees of warmth.

>>908045
>Im vegan!
Was that necessary?

>>908067
nice meme

>>891648
so i found my life lacks some excitement so I wanted to do more outdoors stuff and get into backpacking.

i am a richfag, so can spend a decent amount of money, but not too much.

thoughts on getting this setup?

https://www.rei.com/product/862532/rei-igneo-sleeping-bag?cm_mmc=aff_AL-_-145262-_-180150-_-NA&avad=180150_fd1adc37#

https://www.rei.com/product/845300/rei-flash-insulated-air-sleeping-pad

https://www.rei.com/product/830830/gsi-outdoors-halulite-microdualist-cookset?CAWELAID=120217890000796848&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15724606000&CATCI=aud-87986356584:pla-133227615640&cm_mmc=PLA_Google|404_10153|8308300001|none|7f08a17a-88c4-4a9c-98dc-15bea8008aed|aud-87986356584:pla-133227615640&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_10153|8308300001|none|7f08a17a-88c4-4a9c-98dc-15bea8008aed|aud-87986356584:pla-133227615640&gclid=CjwKEAiAj7TCBRCp2Z22ue-zrj4SJACG7SBERP5fms0KfPlAaX1uSuZ5Oi5geNX8NjKys6LX6Q_nRRoCSbHw_wcB

https://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Yukon-External-Frame-Pack/dp/B004CXETU8/ref=as_li_ss_til?tag=ultimatebackpacksguide-20&linkCode=w01&creativeASIN=B004CXETU8

>>910216
you're buying a fuckhueg backpack, a sleep system that will be too hot if it isn't literally freezing, and a cookset with no stove to use it with.
>thoughts on getting this setup?
you are spending almost 600 dollars to sweat while you sleep and have something fancy to pour a cold can of soup into. Doing an overnight trip or two with cheap gear instead of spending the better part of a grand on gear you can't utilize effectively would help you far more

>>908067
Not him and not vegan but clearly it was relevant to his material choices

>>891648
Any recommendations for something 20F or lower around $150-$175? Preferably packs small?

>>910216
>>910703
If you have money, you're better off buying good shit once rather than cheap shit twice. As long as you know what you're buying.

I use a -7C sleeping bag for 3 seasons, but I am in Canada. On the warmest days, I use it as a blanket only and don't zip it up, but I can use it well into spring/fall or even early winter. Personally I think it is a great choice... for where I live.

Cookset / stove choice very much depends on how you intend to eat. Some trips I don't take a stove/cookware at all and eat only uncooked foods like nuts/berries/jerky. Some trips I boil water and eat rehydrated food out of the bag (no cookware). Some trips I do actual cooking.

A 48L bag is by no means "fuckhueg" for overnight trips. The size/usefulness of that bag is further reduced because it has all those side pockets, rather than simply one large central pocket. This means packing can be "organized" but in reality is just going to make it more difficult to fully utilize the space - space that is included in that 48L measure. If you actually have money, you're better off getting a Osprey, Gregory, or Deuter pack.

>>911422
i'm arguing he's better off buying cheap shit once, learning what he wants out of it, then upgrading to good shit if necessary. spending 600 dollars without even covering the basics because "i want to do more outdoors stuff" is a poor way to get started.

>>911422
>>911499
http://www.backcountry.com/osprey-packs-atmos-50-pack-2800-3200-cu-in?skid=OSP002K-CINRD-S&ti=UExQIEJyYW5kOk9zcHJleSBQYWNrcyBXZWVrZW5kIFBhY2tzICgzMDAwLTQ1MDAgY3UgaW4pOjE6MjoxMDAwMDAwNDdfYmNzQ2F0NzExMTAwMTA3

https://www.rei.com/product/879477/rei-lumen-sleeping-bag
i think this would be better, id prefer synthetic.

as for the stove thing (with fuel of course) https://www.rei.com/product/660163/msr-pocketrocket-backpacking-stove?CAWELAID=120217890000852939&CAGPSPN=pla&CAAGID=15724606000&CATCI=aud-87986356584:pla-126960663400&cm_mmc=PLA_Google|404_10142|6601630012|none|a89e6962-8aca-4c23-a620-245933bbab47|aud-87986356584:pla-126960663400&lsft=cm_mmc:PLA_Google_LIA|404_10142|6601630012|none|a89e6962-8aca-4c23-a620-245933bbab47|aud-87986356584:pla-126960663400&gclid=Cj0KEQiAsrnCBRCTs7nqwrm6pcYBEiQAcQSznNi8S8e7vCgqD_djdauBhlzPOwZhFFQKDvaiP3L4Rc0aAvBe8P8HAQ

thoughts now?

>>911801
read this,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Essentials
buy some good boots, and do an overnight or ten

>>911106
Any of these: https://outdoorvitals.com/

>>891648
anyone have good recommendation for a waterproof bag meant for 30F and below

>>912930
no bags are waterproof less than very expensive. they are water /resistant/

>>908045
So I got the bag I paid for and used it yesterday and today. Honestly kind of disappointed.

So the bag really is pretty huge in its pack. Much bigger than the 20 degree. I would be fine with that if it were better. It's more padding so softer though. The bag does a good job in trapping heat. However, the hood doesn't protect your face at all. I might be remembering wrong, but I believe the 20 degree bag did a better job of that than this 0 degree. My face is exposed to open air unless I dip inside the bag more, but there's still nothing to do about this hole. It's as if they expect you to wear a neck gaiter or something. There's no way to tighten it up as far as I can see.

They also advertise the bag as having an internal pocket but I found no such thing. All there is is some small padded buffer that you could place things under that circumscribes the bag near the chest, but that's not a pocket. The bag also has a lot of straps and loops that are apparently useless.

If you're looking for a replacement for a traditional bed setup and have a more or less insulated room, then you'd be fine with the 20 degree bag I think.

>>912973
I sell phone cases and screens, water resistant means shit.

>>913150
eggsakdly :DD

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What about Robens Caucasus 600?

bags

>>892460
>>892456
what's room temp in cuck degrees?

Any good 2 person sized bags for car camping?

>>912930
https://outdoorvitals.com/

I would definitely look these guys up. I just spent this weekend at RMNP with -30 degree temps and was just fine. It's 850 fill down and compresses down incredibly tiny and only weighs 3 pounds. I used it, a bivvy, sleeping pad, and sleeping bag liner and was perfectly warm. I bought the 0 degree down one

>>903456
It respectively sounds like you're the casual, mate.

The low end of sleeping bag ratings is factored in with a thermal barrier between the bag and the ground, as well as a sleeping bag liner, or wearing full clothing.

You are also not supposed to store sleeping bags in compression. They should only look be compressed for the duration of your hike in and out. Common sense to fluff your bag before and after every use.

I own a Kelty cosmic 40, and have slept comfortably in temperatures slightly below that with a sleeping pad and a liner. I sleep naked too.

>>915537
you mean celsius?

>>915538
Nemo, perhaps.

>>915698
Does this apply also to synthetic?

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>Looking for nice and compact sleeping bags
>They're usually all too short or barely long enough

I hate being tall

>>916495
goold ol' Fear

>>915702
>Does this apply also to synthetic?

Yes. Synthetic bags lose their loft just as fast / even faster than a quality down bag.

are the us military modular sleep system with goretex bivy any good? thinking about buying a used set on ebay

>>891648
Nothing I've ever owned has lasted longer or been a better value than my REI-branded clothing and equipment. Most of it is >15 years at this point so I can't say if that's still the case.

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guys I don't know where to ask this so here we go,

I could get a thermarest neoar all season for very little cash.
however it's slightly to small for me.

I'm 1,76 and the mat is 1,68.

should I bother with it ?
I'll probably use it 3 seasons and I don't think I would mind my feet beeing of the mat , but I might be mistaken.

>>916734
They are pretty big and heavy but damn you can use them anywhere and they're comfy asf. If the buy is in good knick still they're really waterproof

>>918146

bought this mat for a hike in Schotland.
Slept on a tree stump the first night (not checked surroundings to well., big gash in the bottom. Did not have a repair kit..
So buy a repair kit and you will be fine.

>>918146
- get a yoga mat
- cut it down shoulder-ass length
- use jacket as pillow
- stop being a faggot

>>918150
Seconded.

>>899837
meh. I was absolutely freezing wearing thermals, down jacket and had to put my backpack over my feet at like 28 degrees...and i'm a warm sleeper

>>918146
put pack at bottom of feet or extra clothes. check that it's not too narrow because that would be the real bummer

>>916734
Check out the SOL escape bivvy. It's made from 14S Tyvek, So it's basically the lovechild of goretex and mylar; Breathable, water resistant, thermally reflective. I use just this and a Thermalite Extreme liner (and a CCF pad) down to ~30F. Including my ground cloth and CCF pad, my whole bed roll weighs less than two pounds. It's a little scary the first time you take it out, because there's only 1/32 inch between you and the cold, but it works!