Is the Daisy 840 an okay choice for small game? I just want to

>>884323
>living in a shithole that requires a firearms license

Ishygddt

As far as your question though, it will kill but not reliably and only if your shot placement is perfect. The majority of your shots will be wounds or stuns that will require you to Finnish off a wounded animal or worse it running off and suffering until it dies

Do yourself a favor and get a decent break action pellet gun and you will get clean h

>>884339
*clean humane kills

Daisy will kill birds but not squirrels and rabbits. You need a Sheridan pellet gun for dat.

>I want to shoot birds
Get a shotgun

>I want to shoot small game
Get a Ruger 10/22 and rice it out.

>>884323
no

t. a guy who tried to kill a bunch of squirrels in his front yard with it but just ended up covering them in bruises

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>>884323
Bow and arrow or a crossbow could be a better choice.
i prefer using a homemade slingshot.

a piece of plywood + theraband gold + old piece of leather + .50 lead balls
will serve you well.

with some youtube howto videos and half an hour of practice you will be able to take down anything up to cat size.

my current setup:
Rambone Slingshot by Joerg Sprave.
Doublelayer Theraband Gold 25mm x 300mm. 12mm Lead balls.
14mm marbles and 10mm steel for practice.

>>884340
>clean humane kills

That's part of the fun, the screaming and whimpering. Makes you feel alive

>>884323
Where do you live?

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>>884323
You should probably look at break barrel ones, that way you don't have to pump them 20 times to take down a sparrow. Gamo makes a lot of nice stuff for like $100-$150.

There's a co2 Crosman rifle, I think 1077? That one is fun for going after birds because you don't have to pump it every time. I have taken out a opossum with it. You will get around 20 shots from a co2 cartridge before it significantly loses power.

>>884362

This is good advice

I used a 30 pound recurve in the past but switched over to slingshots as they're so much easier to carry

.44 cal or higher lead balls will shoot through small game and put them down, all with a small and handy tool

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a 12 foot pound (fpe) .22 cal air rifle will take down a rabbit at 50 yards with a headshot.

Just don't get too cheap thinking any old plinker will perform like a world-class air rifle.

There are videos of people on YT with $100 air rifles talking about how awesome they are, and that makes me cringe, because it's clear they have no experience with air rifles beyond their "wallmart special".

The cheapest i'd feel comfortable recommending would be a Walther Terrus ($200-250 on pyramidair.com, depending on the stock option).

Of course, if you fancy spending more, you an get much better performance. We're talking around $1k for a top end springer and some good glass to go with it, and for a pcp, the price can easily exceed several thousand (i'm talking top end competition guns with all the bells and whistles).

Pic related is one of my springers (AA tx200hc .22 with a Hawke Sidewinder 10x42 1/2 mil-dot scope).

>>884323


fuck me does that come with a VHS tape?

go back to 1995 ....

You could go with a crossbow if you want a stock and potential for a scope

>>884362
nice anal plug

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>>884555

>>884452
I dont think OP is tryin to go that deep.

>>884555
Those cheap Crosmans are still great for plinking and takiin shots at the pidgeons on the powerlines. I think I paid $30-$40 for pic related like 20yrs ago and it is still great. But it's not consistent or powerful enough to take small game at any distance. I'm a big fan of the couple Gamos I have just because they feel solid and the prices aren't crazy.

More than likely you'll hurt the fuck out of the animal without killing it. Get an actual air rifle if firearms aren't available.

Country would help, hope you're not Australian as you will get locked up for having any firearm including air rifles

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> not hunting with your Uzi

I'm considering getting it chrome plated next year.

Mfw a chrome plated Uzi!

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>>884907
Why?

Because then it will match my chrome plated Desert Eagle!

> inb4 poorfag jew haters

>>884368
Cut yourself on that edge and livestream it so we can watch you bleed out, faggot.

>>884909
I would love to shoot a pidgeon or rabbit with that thing and just watch it explode into a cloud of blood and feathers/fur.

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>>884922
Maybe, but you are still an idiot.

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>>884928
I'm not going to argue that.

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>>884930
If you cut back on the garlic you might not need edc Ozmium.

>>884342
>doesn't want a firearms license
Are you autistic or can you just not read?

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>>884940
But what do I do about the vampires?

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>>884323
Op maybe you should quit fucking around and get real?

>>884323
Nope. If you're going to get a pump pellet gun, you want one that you can pump multiple times. I used to have one that clear as day said "Do Not Exceed 10 Pumps." It lasted for years with me pumping it 30x each shot. If I'd put one into a rabbit's head, I'd hear the pellet hit something on the other side and the rabbit would be deader than a door nail.

Or, just get a nice break barrel pellet rifle that claims to shoot at 1000fps/ (300m/s)

>>884981
Anything that gets close to 800fps is bretty powerful as well. I have a Gamo break barrel around 750fps and that thing punched a hole clear through my garage door.

>>884993
Yeah, for small game, 750fps will probably do it. 1000fps is potentially lethal on a human if you hit right in the eye or have it penetrate the neck to the jugular. It's not exactly what I'd call an ideal killing tool for something like that, but stranger things have happened.

Another option for OP:

http://quackenbushairguns.com/

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>>884323

What kind of budget do you have? Basically the good and bad end of spectrum is something like this:

A top-of-the-line .22 caliber pressure tank rifle with a good airgun scope, costing over 1500 €.

-VS-

.177 cal Chinese rifle that costs 20 € and can barely penetrate cardboard at 15 meters.

So...how much do you WANT it to cost? "I want it to be the cheapest and the best at the same time" does not work here.

>>884993
That's because fps is a bullshit stat.

Any rifle can do 1000 fps if you use alloy pellets - those things are like 4.5 grains in .177, versus typocal 8.44 grain jsb exacts.

Thing is - because K=1/2 mv^2, the more you depend on velocity for muzzle emergy (ie using light pellets), the more energy you will bleed downrange. A .22 shooting 15.89 grain jsb jumbos will have a lot more energy 30 yards downrange than your typical "1000 fps" rifle shooting 4.5 grain alloy .177, even if they start with the same muzzle energy.

That, and pellets are really bad at transsonic velocity - accuracy goes to shit.

The stat you want is muzzle energy, either in foot pounds or joules. 12 fpe (16.3J) is good enough. Magnum type air rifles (i'm talking springers) go to 20 fpe (30j or so).

For hunting with a .177, as long as it's 12 fpe, you can use something like the h&n baracuda hunter extreme (9.57 grain) pellets. For regular .22, anything around 15 grains really.

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>>885001
> you'll put an eye out
> kill a human

Itt europoor nogunz.

Mmk, I had to stop feeding my addition, so I did. Didn't take long to figure a "ton" of guns and no swords or airpower was disproportional.

Solution: buy swords, airpower and practice!

> protip: flea market/swap meet swords are right out! (left out right).

Buht, folded Chinko steel is fine for the actual ammount of use it gets.

On to airpower; this can be a bit overwhelming!

OP pic does fine.

t. coworker is poorfag (has PhD and loans to prove smarts ain't all that), once a week butchers rabbits for freezer and uses $40 Crossman.

Basically a "fish in barrel"/paper gun.

Air Arms or Condor PCP, I'll go Air Arms everytime. /thread

There are big bore pnumatics I'm looking at: .35"/9mm, .44", .50" and smoothbore/shotgun type. Interesting, but again like Air Arms and less so Condor, ~ $1000usd/ea.

So... how much do you want to spend?
I have detailed files.

>>885021

Dafuq did i just read? Either i'm dumb or this is some code...

>>885021
And valid, if not best, advice itt was slingshot.

t. I once had no money

>>885022
I will admit "addition" should read "addiction".

> pcp == pre-charged pnumatics
HTH.

>>885008
Since you're not getting anywhere near the energies where remote wounding can happen, the single best predictor of how lethal a pellet rifle is going to be is penetration. So, yeah, go for the heavier pellets and ignore the alloy ones. Momentum, not energy is what will carry the day here.

The 1000fps advertised for mine was advertised with a normal lead pellet, probably around 8-8.5gr. It was 1250fps with the alloy ones, which I've never bothered with. I've killed jack rabbits with it, so it is plenty powerful.

>>885008
The fps on newer ones is mostly bullshit. I bought all my air rifles years ago when it was pretty much all lead pellets, so the 760fps rifle would probably be advertised as 950fps today since they always do the ratings with alloy pellets. My 1000fps Gamo would send those at like 1200fps. I just use the lead pellets anyway. The domed hollow points go in and out of large birds at 25yds really easily.

>>885027

No shit. I shoot an aa s400f (among other things) - i know what a pcp is.

I meant that your post reads like the mind of someone with adhd on lsd.

>>885021
People have been killed with .177cal air rifles.

>>885029
>>885030

A 12 foot pound terrus .22 will down a rabbit at 50 yards.

Also 12 fpe hw100 with .177 baracuda he will bust skulls on rabbits no problem.

At 671 fps, a pellet's weight in grains is equal to it's energy in foot pounds. So around 600 fps with 16 grain pellets is enough (with a .22).

Where velocity matters most is target shooting, because it affects trajectory - my .177 has a 1.5 dot holdover at 50m, my .22 needs 4.25 dots at 50m - thag means you need to be more precise with your range estimates, and that's why most target shooters use .177

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>>885031
Well yeah, but it comes with a side order of VHS and DVD, fuck face.

>>885032
Put down your pen knife, Francis.

>>885038

this is getting weirder and weirder.

>>885041
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC500806/

>Five cases of fatal airgun injury were identified by forensic pathologists and histopathologists. The circumstances surrounding the case, radiological examination, and pathological findings are described. The weapon characteristics are also reported. RESULTS: Three of the victims were adult men, one was a 16 year old boy, and one an eight year old child. Four of the airguns were .22 air rifles, the other a .177 air rifle.

The adult male who was killed by the .177 was shot in the eye.

Thanks for all the insight, guys. The seller told me it was perfect for small game. I'll keep my eyes open for something more powerful.

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>>885273
All of the break barrels and PCP guns are in a different price bracket so it's not like dude lied to you or anything. I have taken out plenty of birds with pic related and it's a cheaper Crosman than the one you got so you shouldn't have any issue.

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>>885150
Time to go find the most dangerous game in the hood...

British here, when I was 16 I brought a £200 break barrel to poach pheasants.

But no matter how much I practiced I just could not get a good grouping on it.

I still have the bastard somewhere.

>>884323
I have killed a few birds with an airsoft gun, yep guys sorry to make you cringe but I just saw a crow at the end of my lawn and took out my electric airsoft gun put full auto and sprayed a little, instantly killed it.

>>885282
Well, I didn't buy it yet, but I still might depending on how low I can haggle.

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>>885366
How much do they want? And what do those go for new?

Pic related shows a break barrel Gamo. This one is like 760fps with lead pellets, came with a cheaper scope, and I think I paid just under $100 for it when I got it years and years ago. With the break barrels, you pull the barrel down once to pump it, pop the pellet in before you click the barrel closed, and take off. That gun went through some thick plywood, like 1/2" thick, and only on one pump.

It is the 2nd gun from the top in this pic >>885289

The smallest one on the bottom is a Crosman 760, those are pretty cheap and pump like the one you are looking at. Then the 2nd smallest is the Crosman 1077. Idk what they run now but I paid around $60 and that one is co2. It had a 12 pellet magazine and uses the little 12g co2 cartridges. That one isn't super powerful, but I took out an opossum at close range with it. Around 750fps but after about 20 pellets it will drop off significantly.

The big one on the top is a Gamo that was closer to $250. That works like the break barrels where one pump gives you 1000fps with lead pellets but you actually crank that second rod under the barrel to pump it. That one goes in and out of fat pidgeons like a knife through butter so 1000fps with lead isn't a toy.

Then PCP like anons have mentioned is the newer way to do it. Almost like the co2 rifle but it has an internal tank and you pump that up with various means. Those start to get pricey but I haven't bought an air rifle in 15 years and those are newer so idk a ton about them.

If you really want to go for some small game, I reccommend looking at break barrels that shoot 800fps+. All mine are .177, but .22 will do that much more damage. If you spend $100+ on a break barrel and some optics that aren't garbage, the accuracy beyond plinking empty beer cans at 10yds will be night and day. I can most likely still take a rabbit at 30yds with the $40 Crosman pump gun, but I'm sure I can down it with the $250 Gamo.

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>>885366
>>884323
Damn I just looked up this gun online and it isn't what I thought it was. I believe a friend had this 840 when we were kids.

It only shoots 300fps. You definitely don't want this to take down any animals. This is a single-pump, not even like the Crosman 760 I posted where you can pump it 10 times to get 700fps+.

300fps is strictly for plinking empty beer cans at <20yds. I have a co2 pistol that shoots close to 400fps, and I remember one day my friend was probably 30yds away with a winter jacket on and I took a few shots at him. Dumb decision, but they just bounced off. 300fps might stun a sparrow if you get a head shot at 10yds, but that's about it.

You definitely want 700fps+. Even if you look at stuff like that Crosman 760 Pumpmaster, that will shoot pellets and bb's and will be exponentially more powerful at 700fps+ because physics (energy= mass x veloc^2)

tl:dr; that gun isn't good for anything beside plinking. It is basically a toy. Glad you haven't bought it yet.

>>885387
>It is basically a toy
That's what I figured. Anyone offering a barely used bb gun for $40 can't be on the level.

>>885438
BB guns and pellets are nit the same thing.

BBs are little balls, pellets are mushroom shaped.
If you want an air rifle that can put down small game (and be used for pest control) and you don't want to spend money on a pcp, get a walther terrus. 200 dollars may be more than any wallmart special, but trust me - it is worth it. There is a huge chasm between low end air rifles like crossman, daisy, hatsan or gamo, and "bug league" european makers like walther, weihrauch, aa, etc.

And really - stop thinking in fps. Fps is a bullshit stat, because even lead pellets can vary in weight - jsb rs are 7.something grains, baracuda he are 9.57, and jsb heavy are over 10 grains.

Fps matter for the trajectory and that's it. For bringing down game you want energy delivered (which is not the same as muzzle energy). Look for 16J rifles (full legal limit in EU), or even magnum power springers (in the us).

And if you get a good quality air rifle, don't go cheap on the scope.

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>>885455
The one in the OP actually shoots pellets or BBs, and you can take down game with BBs. But it shoots pellets at <300fps which is worthless for hunting.

>>885438
It's not even the price. You can get something that shoots 700fps for around the same price if you want to keep it cheap. Just look at Crosmans. It's just that the Daisy in the OP is made more for target practice for kids and not hunting small game.

>>884452
This.

If you want spring powered so that you're not fucking about with cylinders then you can't go wrong with Air Arms, Weihrauch, or Walther.

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>>885598
I wanted pic related for the longest time when I was younger. These days I think I just need to buy the real thing. I don't care if they are shitty or overpriced or there are better guns for my needs, I just love the P99.

>>884323
Just do what i did, buy an air rifle barrel, fit a chamber support round the barrel and use .22 pellets and blanks for nail guns.

You can also use 25. barrels with 22 nail gun blanks, the cases expand and occasioanlly split but they are easier to extract than when you use a .22 barrel as they hug tight to the chamber walls.

>>884981
depends what country you live in, UK law prohibits rifles being above 12ft/lbs and air pistols at 5lbs i think, that why i've gone the nail gun blank route to make sure i get a proper kill

wtf why is it halloween again
is it because page 10 is spoopy?

>>887979
yep

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Damn, this thread is still uo?

OP still here? Did you end up buying something?

>>887984

Go back to /sp/ with all the other bandwagon fags

>>884362
Slingshots suck fucking horse cock... I tried using one the other day that I bought from Walmart to go Squirrel hunting but it is not possible to hit them when they are on trees.

>>888057

>first time using slingshot
>buys walmart one
>no experience whatsoever
>blames slingshots in general when his fat ass can't hit a squirrel

You fat piece of shit.

>>888062
I am not fat at all you fucking cunt, and I have had various slings for years. It's not about being bad at it. But wind and branches play a major role in actually being able to hit. I was with 3 other people and nobody was able to hit at all (We got very close though)

Stop talking so much ass when you dont even know the situation.

>>888057
why dont you use birdshot and one of those?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMbCUw5ae84

>>888072

>shitty slingshot hunting environment
>shitty slingshot
>shitty experience with slingshots
>multiple people tromping through woods being loud as fuck notifying every squirrel you're trying to hunt

Honestly what did you expect? A giant bounty of squirrel?

>>884368
Fuck you.
assholes like you are why I have to reeducate me liberal friends.

>>884323
should be buying an adult air rifle in .22 or .17, not a bb gun, or potential a sling shot so can keep an a backpack.

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>>884323

My first modern high power air rifle was the Gamo Bull Wisper 1.77cal. Brilliant for beginners and safe. Good range and accurate depending on the ammo you use. I had some fun with this rifle but the reloading very hard inside a car when I'm hunting rabbits with torch in car. It's great for hiking and hunting because you don't need pump like most modern mag air rifles.

So I did some research for my car shooting issue and came across the KRAL Bull-pump(1.77cal) 12 round mag this Turkish air-gun also got great reviews and mad accuracy even at ranges of 100m plus. Going to pair it with the Gamo Compact Long Range Multi Focus Field Scope with Mil dot. I know it's allot of money compared to the Gamo but I want Bullpump to go pigeon hunting in Argentina later this year and that 12 shot mag makes it sell on me for that reason.

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>>888184
Damn, that thing is crazy.

If you ever want to go cheaper, the Crosman 1077 is really cheap and uses 12g co2 cartridges with a 12rd magazine. Doesn't have a ton of power though.

I was at Walmart earlier and damn they have some nice Gamos for <$150. Makes me want to buy more if I ever even used them but I can't remember the last time I shot any of mine. I have the Gamo CFX so at least you don't have to break the whole barrel to pump it but that is a big gun.

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>>888187

Crosman 1077 is great if you want to go semi auto on a budget. Think if you just want to hunt birds and rats it's great!

There is some crazy air rifles out there. Look at this thing!

>EVANIX RAINSTORM BULLPUP, Multi Shot, Sidelever, shrouded barrel, PCP, 5.5mm

>>888199
.177? What is the velocity with lead? And how many rounds at higher power (maybe 80% of the rated velocity) will you get?

I love that 1077 for taking out birds because of the semi-auto. It isn't super powerful, but the first two magazines (24rds) give you plenty of power to take down birds and squirrels. I have taken a fat opossum out with mine. But by the 4th magazine you are just plinking.

They do sell that adapter with the fuckhueg cylinder (88g?) but I have never felt the need for it. Swapping in a new 12g cartridge takes about as long as pumping and loading something like a 760.

>>888204

I haven't tested the velocity of my Gamo yet. People have a misconception about 1.77cal vs 22cal. The 1.77 has longer range and more penetrating power but way less stopping power if you hunting bigger game like small boars and deer. The 22 has lower velocity but because of the bigger hit area it has more stopping power. Allot of these factors are dependent on your Rifles FPS rating and same for your Pellets FPS rating and Cal of course. Piston Break Pump Rifles has the highest FPS as I understand especially if your barrel is rifled.

We where at the range the other day and I know this is extreme example...

>We share range with hand gun owners
>They chilled and wanted to try and shoot our Coke can we setup for our two 1.77cal air rifles.
>The guy had a 1191 colt 45cal and got the can at 50m on the ground
>We went to investigate and found the round didn't even penetrate and just dented the bottom with no tearing at all
>We shot at the can with our sharp/led/Hollow Tip pellets and had it penetrate and exit the can at the same range with every hit.
>The Gamo 1.77 Led/Plastic pellets are especially brutal on anything like Rabbits as it kills them clean with no suffering in my opinion.

Anyway depending on the power off your air rifle and the game your hunting either 1.77 or 22 is fine.

>Bonus: Look at this guy taking down a two boars with a 22 gamo!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jejT_DOIgO4

>>888204

This is for the KRAL Bull-pump all the different model calibers

4.5 mm RWS 7 grain -- 1190 fps / 23 j
5.5 mm JSB 18.13 grain -- 950 fps / 33 j
6.35 mm JSB 25 grain -- 750 fps / 35 j

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>>888226
>1.77 caliber

that's, like, 3x .50 BMG with some leftovers. Sure you don't mean .177? :)

Seriously though - it's physics.

.177 pellets are usually around 8 grains in weight, though there is some variation and they can go as low as ~7 grains (still talking about lead, not alloy ones), and as high as 11+ grains (even more with something like piledrivers, but those require FAC rated PCPs to be at all effective).

A typical .22 pellet, on the other hand, is around 15 grains.

Now, since Ek=1/2mv^2, velocity is a big factor for muzzle energy, but that also means losing velocity is a big factor as well.

.22 pellets are more effective for hunting only partially because the greater area means better energy transfer (case in point - pic related have excellent energy transfer in .177 even in 16J rifles), but primarily because higher mass means more inertia - ergo the .22 pellet is going to resist velocity change better than .177, and after travelling, say, 30-40 yards it will retain more of it's initial velocity, and therefore - energy.

the lower velocity (around 180 m/s versus ~250 m/s for .22 and .177 respectively - shot with aa tx200hc) means more drop for .22 pellets.
tl:dr - longer pellet flight time means gravity has more time to act upon the pellet before impact.

>>888275

Yes! Sorry I mean .177 vs .22.

>>884414
A side lever would also be a good choice, for the same reason, one pump but has the advantage that the barrel is fixed for better accuracy.

>>889781
That's what that bigger Gamo is. It's a heavy gun though, even with the synthetic stock. I know they make one with a wood stock too and that has to be heavy as fuck.

What other brands make rifles with the lever? That is the only spring piston one I have seen that isn't a break barrel.

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>>889783

RWS model 48 Diana, in .22 comes in at 8.5 lbs without a scope, but the accuracy for the money at $400 and change more than make up for it. I also have a Gamo Silent Cat in .177, and much prefer the Diana for the consistent grouping on shot over 50 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3f9234sFZo

What are the relevant CA state laws for air rifles? Can Amazon ship one right to your doorstep if you live in CA or do you still need a background check?

>>889863

It'll ship, no prob, biggest problem will be your neighbors and having a decent backstop or place to shoot.

>>889863
If they can't ship there, it should state it clearly on whatever website you order from. I know a lot of them refuse to ship certain places. PyramidAir.com is like the biggest and best online retailer for that shit.

Also check local state, city or county laws because in IL where I lived before there were goofy laws. For IL, anything larger than .177 (so .20 or .22 air rifles) that fire over 700fps, you need a FOID card just like buying a real gun but I don't think there was a background check on those. And then the laws about actually shooting them changed from city to city and as far as I could tell in my city it was legal to shoot on my property as long as the pellets stayed on my property.

Funny story, when I was a kid I was at Dick's (might have still been Galyan's at that point) trying to buy a 1000fps .177 rifle and dude working at the time told me I needed a FOID card because it was over 700fps. So I went through the BS for the card, went back for my 1000fps gun, and the guy working was like "No, that's only for .22 pellets and that employee is an idiot" so even the employees didn't know the laws.

>>889783
>What other brands make rifles with the lever

check out >>884452

Also Walther (LGU), and Weihrauch (HW97).

Those are championship class guns though, the tx200hc has a world HFT championship title on it's resume, and unless I'm mistaken, so does the LGU (or maybe that's just local)

>>888226
Second hog earned that darwin award.