howdy /out/ <--- How do you call this Knife technique? <---

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>>835716
Make sure you're knife is sharp before you start!

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the technique is called batining


you need a good fixed blade knife

you don't need much skill with a blade, and most people who baton don't have much skill
it's a meme here, lots of different opinions

Hey there anon!
1) That technique is called caning and should really only be done with a fixed blade knife(those are the kind that don't fold, thus the name)

2) Personally would use a knife witg a full tang handle(that is when the metal from the knife blade extendes to the handle in piece)

3) It doesn't require much in the way of blade skill though it can be tough on the blade. You're essentially using the knife in substitute of an ax(the stick in the picture shown is helping push the knife through that piece of unsplit wood) Which, in some cases, especially survival or super light backpacking, some folks may not want the extra poundage.

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>>835720
Also, a picture ref. For a full tang blade. I love Buck knives personally. Steel quality is good and they won't break the bank.

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>>835716
It is called, "meme blade technique".

>>835719
*batoning

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>>835719
>the technique is called batining
>>835719
>batining
wat

>>835719
no it's bait-anoning

>>835716
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZixIQbdShaU

>>835779
What a fucking retard. I hope his son is proud of him.

batoning is infamous for breaking knifes, best idea is to bring an axe, saw or just pick up deadfall that is the right size, there is no real reason to be batoning.

>>835815
i often baton my hatchet tho i don't see how it would break pretty safe too. don't be that retard that cuts his hand to the bone trying to split wood.

>>835815
It's really not hard on a knife at all if you're doing it properly and not trying to do it with a Mora or something. It's just wood.

>>835815
Infamous for breaking knives you shouldn't be batoning with maybe.

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>>835801
>What a fucking retard. I hope his son is proud of him.

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>>835779
>yo look mah big knoife
>I can kill the whole forest with it
>bang bang bang bang
>fuck. batoning is harder as it looks
>bang bang bang bang
>no son. Papa Bear cant help you with your pathetic "drink"
>bang bang bang bang
>bang bang bang bang
>done. split one medium log.
>it cost me all of my strenght

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>>835831
>don't be that retard that cuts his hand to the bone trying to split wood.

>>835840
>It's just wood.

The mallet you are using is what breaks the knife.

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>>835779
>Wearing yourself out doing a job that literally would take 1 minute max for the entire operation.

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>>835716
>How do you call this Knife technique?
gay
>What kind of knife do recommend for it?
a hatchet, axe, or froe
>Does it need much 'blade skill' before you start with it?
none at all. most people who do this technique are children playing bear grylls in their backyard.

>>835920
What breaks the knife is hammering it into something that's too hard to cut, usually a knot, or from hitting it with some sideways force, twisting the edge sideways. Don't do that. No knife made in the last century ought to break simply from being struck on the spine with a stick.

>>835916

haha pussy ass nigga

>>835977
Funny you should say that. The stick he is using goes by a few different, "chicken stick", "cheater stick", and "stick of 10 fingers."

But, hey, I'd rather use a stick than to be slightly weary one evening and lop of one of my fingers.

>>835916
yeah well i often cut my wood on ground even on stony ground. so these techniques are not applicable most of the times. i don't do homesteading i just camp. but yeah i knew them obviously. i was referring to the technique when you split wood on ground by whacking the hatchet from the top while holding the wood that's pretty dangerous. batoning is way better.

The tequnique is called knife - bonking

Because like the sound bonk

It is a very difficult tequnicolor and is best when done by professional survival experts like bear grills and David cantonbarry

It is one of the best uses for a knife and will impress your friends with your skill

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>>835716

It is called whapakniffing
you want a knife made of mild steel so you don't hurt your whapping stick
It takes years of practice to become a professional knifebapper.

it's a meme

let it die

>>835716
don't you have there hatchets?

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>>835964
>or froe

>>837250
why WUOLD U carry extra weight? ... this IZ why i use only one knife for EVRYTING.

>>837533
a knife that can take batoning will not weight less than a hatchet.

>>837546
Not even the Swedes can make a 4 ounce hatchet... Or even an 8 ounce.

>>837605
>4 ounce knife

Is a knife that will break under that sort of abuse.

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>>837530
The right tool for the job.

>>837896
that's such bullshit. you still have to find a ~5in tree and saw it down into a perfect little stump and then chop it up like that with these neat-o but gratuitous tools, only to end-up with a bunch of 1/2" chunks of wood. which is the same thing as just grabbing a handful of dead branches.

neat ofr youtube, but fucking stupid innawoods

>>837900
plus the persons froe is dull. It isn't meant to be shaven sharp but its meant to be sharp enough you dont have to pound on it. Conclusion I agree with you.

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>>837901
and don't get me wrong - i've done just this in order to make smokewood for BBQ, but I would never go through the hell of sawing a trunk into plugs and splitting like that just to make kindling. fukkin kek all over that shit.

pic related (featuring my kitty Fuckface who watched in utter confusion - don't blame her)

>>837900
>>837901
>>837902
It is one of the only tools meant to be batonned. That's just an example, not need to sperge out, kid.

>>837902
First Cute cat whats his/her name?
Secondly no difference on the looks and size of the kindling in that picture and the one the guy who used the froe to produce. Only difference is this took a couple of minutes to produce a lot more.

>>837905
I know its a example but it is a rather poor example. Why would I go through all those troubles to produce so little kindling. A hatchet and a small round and I can produce the same amount 3x faster. Granted it wont be as pretty but who gives a crap

>>837905
ok ok i getcha

>>837906
her name is Fuckface. and I chopped the wood up with a hatchet (rather easily btw) to make chunks of smokewood for my BBQ/smoker. my only point was I wouldn't go through the process of sawing-up a tree and then splitting it simply for the sake of making kindling. because you could just grab a bunch of dead branches instead. to make wood chunks for my smoker is a different prerogative.

>>837911
pretty much what I meant. Sorry if I wrote that out wrong.

>>837916
haha, sorry bro i must have misread you a bit. anyway, it's really not an important point, just that "kindling" should be easy amirite

>>837919
Kindling should be easy like you said. Cheers

>>837891
Nah. You can baton a lightweight knife just fine. You're just cutting wood, and a thin knife cuts quite well.

>>837605
batoning knives are in the 600g category which is the weight for a lighter hatchet.

>>838049
well 450-650 really depending on length.

>>837955
It is the mallet that breaks the knife, not the wood that the knife is cutting into.

>>838069
It's hammering into a knot, or twisting sideways, or just generally being a shitty knife, that breaks the knife. Really, batoning is a fantastic way to find out that you have a shitty knife before it's too late.

>>838069
>>838132
more like fault lines in hardened steel do not react well to shock.
you need to properly heat treat the blade and use a relatively soft annealed core to prevent this. even then if the edge is hardened it can chip off.
hard steel holds better edge but breaks more readily soft steel will not break but holds a shit edge. hence why axes are generally softer than knives.

>have baton'd ALL of my wood every weekend for 6 years with a Buck 119 hunting knife

>it's still sharp enough to cut paper without effort

>never had to sharpen

>never broken or had a chip

>I get wood 10 times faster than anyone I know

>be considered very good outdoorsman by all family and friends, have completed the A.T. solo and have eagle scout

>find /out/

>be relentlessly harrassed because of something that is a good fucking technique

>the reasons are problems I have literally never faced in my years of experience with batoning

>the only way to enjoy the outdoors is to literally never, ever come to /out/

>>838183
Yeah, I'm done with this shit. No more arguing with people who take everything they know from memes and youtube videos.

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>>837546
>a knife that can take batoning will not weight less than a hatchet.
this is why we use a folding saw and a mora. first you saw. than you maybe baton mid sized wood.

sawing with an folding saw is:

silent
more secure
energy efficent
weights only 200gr
need less space in your pack

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what lock can you recommend for batoning folders?

>>838562
Like a jap saw (pull saw?)
Or my dads triangle tension saw we used once a year to cut down a tree for Christmas?

>>838570
>Like a jap saw (pull saw?)
no. LIKE A FOLDING SAW.

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>>838183
>never had to sharpen
>6 years

>howtolieontheinternet.jpg.exe

>>838132
>batoning is a fantastic way to find out that you have a shitty knife before it's too late.

You mean batoning is a great way to destroy tools through abuse. If you don't abuse your knife in the first place, it won't break even if it is a super shitty cheap knife.

>driving into wall is a fantastic way to find out that you have a shitty car before it's too late.
>kys is a fantastic way to find out that you have a shitty life before it's too late.

>>835716
>How do you call this Knife technique?
autism

>>838964

You're a fucking retard, hes saying put it under stress to see if its worth a shit

>redlining your car a bit is a good way to find out that you have a shitty car before its to late

would be a little less autistic comparison, you fucking twit

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>>835716
https://youtu.be/uNmBxfmmsxw

Girl Batoning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hie4RqDqkjc

>>839293
>abuse the tool to see if it breaks
>huur duurrr

So, you are basically trolling then.

>>839293
Using a knife for batoning instead of using a froe, gouge or axe is like using a car to fly. Wrong tool for the job, kid.

>>839333
stop being stupid. Batoning is a valid use for a good solid 1 piece knife. If your knife isn't solid, don't do it. If it is, go for it.

>>839367
It clearly isn't. That's been proven time and again.

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>>839333
Trips of truth!

>>839377
Dubs of devastation!

>>839367
>probably owns a hammock and vibram five fingers too

And the meme set is complete.

>>835716

I call it

>a waste of time and energy

99% of the time, you don't need to split wood in da woods, and wood for a fire is handily available almost everywhere.

Shaving kindling is what you will use your knife for.

>>839333

Most knives are fine. You won't break a Mora Companion no matter how much you baton.

The main problem with batoning [and cutting wood with an axe] is that it's a waste of energy due to it being unneeded pretty much all times you're out.

>>835720
>some folks may not want the extra poundage.
Not OP, he loves all the poundage je can get.

>>839377
Proven? Proven by what?

In the batoning is ok column: tons of people who do it, all the time, without breaking their knives.

In the batoning is bad column: some memes and some guys who have never done it, but think it's a bad idea.

>>839385
hammock, yeah
Barefoot, yeah

>>838569
cs tri-ad is the only lock that was designed to handle batoning in an emergency. not regular mind you it will eventually develop blade play if you do a lot.

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>>839493
It is tool abuse. Just because people do stupid things, doesn't make it right. Case closed, kid.

>>839702
It isn't tool abuse. You just don't know how to baton wood because you grew up in the city.

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>>835964
dumbest bullshitter ever

>>839739
Using a tool incorrectly is tool abuse. That's plain and simple. Like those morons who like to go "muddin'" and end up breaking an axle.

>>839377
>proven
enlighten me oh woodland master....

>>839702
>Case closed, kid.
So this is your 'proof'?
You really got us. I can now see how batoning is wrong and clearly is the beginning of the end of western civilization.
thank you anon

>>839788
It is not incorrect use.

>>839788
If you think that using a tool for anything other than its labeled use is, ipso facto, abuse, then I recommend you not hang out with building trades people. It might give you a conniption.

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>>839788
More dubs of truth!

>opposition rekt

>>839332

You must be the type to buy a z06 and never go above 6k rpm

>>839333

Yeah I'll just bring more unnecessary tools that one well made tool can do easily

>>839377

>buy shitty chinese *???*
>put it through one tedious session
>breaks
>damn cheap chinese bullshit!

>buy cheap chinese knife
>baton with it
>breaks
>damn batoning retard!

Sure is walmart here.

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>abuse tool
>tool breaks
>i'm not abusing the tool! >:[

This is what happens where there are no real fathers left in America to teach children proper tool usage. Instead we get numales like >>835779 and their spawn like >>839939

>>839949
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hie4RqDqkjc

>>839702
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this looks disgusting. what is it? europeanboss

>>839949

>loses argument
>posts broad meme insults

Your NEET is showing, pal.

Stop buying cheap chinese bullshit knives, also don't baton a fucking log like in OPs pic and there is absolutely no problem

>bbbbbut my friends on a japanese tea kettle imageboard said its bad! :((

gtfo

>>840120
Simply put, knives are not meant for batoning at all. It is the wrong tool. Why would you use the wrong tool to do something? It makes zero sense.

>>840127

Save weight, save space

The tool that you consider 'right' for the job, doesn't necessarily do that much better of a job to justify making room for it.

But then again I don't baton logs, just medium sized branches

A lot of the people I see justifying it are trying to split actual logs and that shit is just retarded

>>840127
You're a shitty troll, but a surprisingly effective one.

>>840138
>Save weight, save space

At the expense of wasting 5-10x as much time than using the correct tool.

>>840142

>spaghetti arms

>>835716
I call it Fuckin A Gettin With It And Fuck All The Haters

Really smashing a length of steel through a log is one of the most visceral experiences a man can have while innawoods. Our forefather did it, their forefathers did it, and cavemen would've loved to do it if they'd only thought of forging steel.

Yeah if you are a limp wristed dicksuck maybe you don't have the strength or the sack to handle it but don't hate on those of us with plenty of both.

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>>840182
>Really smashing a length of steel through a log is one of the most visceral experiences a man can have while innawoods.

>he doesn't hunt
>he's not a real man
>he abuses his tools

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>>840185

Found the fedora.

This man doesn't hunt or eat meat, and he would emasculate your pathetic ass in seconds.


I hunt and eat meat and even I know what you just said is fucking autistic

>>840199
>he doesn't understand meme arrows

Sure thing, kid.

>>835722

What was the point of that webm?

Also way to focus on the grass ya cock gobbler.

>>837905

Not any of the above guys, but that seems like quite a bit of weight and space for a tool that does one job.

At SERE we got taught that batoning was a life or death thing. Like only do it if you were going to die without fire. It destroys knives.

>>840199
>Found the fedora
Right, the hunter is the "fedora" not the guy trying to prove a point about how being vegan is manly and great by posting one likely doped up lifter. Right.

>>838562
what's a good inexpensive folding saw and is a ka-bar a good knife for batoning?

>>835716
><--- How do you call this Knife technique?
It's called cord knocking on this board
><--- What kind of knife do recommend for it?
most /out/ists prefer the bear grylls line of knives for this type of work
><--- Does it need much 'blade skill' before you start with it?
blade skill required is high due to the advanced nature of the technique. most find that a year of practice is needed to really master the knocking technique

>>840415
dude. we use mora.

>>840415
Yeah kabar is fine for batoning. You will eventually bend kt because it isnt full tang. Just hit it with a hammer to unbend it.

>>840555
Stop telling people to baton with fillet knives

>>840662

>fillet knive
>scandi grind

sure thing kid

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>>840662
>Stop telling people to baton with fillet knives
stop buying fillet knives. mora offers offers also full tang knifes.

batoning wiht mora bushcraft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTejazCPank

batoning with neck knifu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYKqXYiuGRw

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>>840365
i cant believe this shitstorm over a froe. Opie wants to baton. i mention froe because its a tool actually used to baton. never implied its a perfect tool to pack /out/. its not. batoning is way over rated, and i think knife obsessed people and reviewers use it as a benchmark of how good a knife is. i'll take my hatchet and small fixed blade anyday over "Fuckhuge Rambo Survival Knoife™". my knife isn't even full tang, omg! its a rat tail. will probly snap at the hilt cutting an apple. i will admit though i have been lusting over seaxs lately. which does fall into the big utilitarian knife category.

>knives
>when you could be carrying an axe which does literally anything you need it too

Axes underrated

>>841476
>Opie wants to baton. i mention froe because its a tool actually used to baton
Its like you would carry a Logging Machine in your backpack.. duh

>>841484
You do realize that you don't need to carry a handle right? Froes and axes can accept just about any random tree limb as a handle. Most distance hikers and campers don't pack handles and whittle up a few on the spot when they make camp. Froes are even supposed to have a loose handle in the first place.

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>imma gonna baton my knife if you like it or not!!!!

Sure thing, kid. Spaz out all you want.

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>>841497
>You do realize that

>>839702
>It's dumb.
>Cause I said it was dumb.
>Case closed, kid
>t. someone who is no more then 2 years older then you, IF THAT.

>>841522
>>841503
>can't handle the truth
>shitposts

>>841523
>accuses other people of shitposting without explaining reasoning.
>while he shitposts.

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>>841484
nobodies advocating taking a full lumberjack suite of tools backpacking. froe was only mentioned cause this is a baton bait thread, and froes are in fact used to baton. personally i like a hatchet and small knife. firewood processing isnt even why i have the hatchet. its just a nice tool to have. good shelter construction, cleaning up camp area. just making stuff. i'd be happy even using my edc folder instead of my fixed blade if i was concerned about space and/or weight. a hatchet might be too heavy or bulky and a lot of people will go with small knife + small folding saw. saw is still really useful for the building of stuff and cleaning up brush brush or trails. i dont think any tools are really needed as far as firewood processing goes while camping, with the exception of winter camping where it is a bit more critical to have a fire and lots of good wood. like >>837900
said, just grabb some dead branches. no need to be a lumberjack innawoods camping.

Bottom line is nobody in this thread can chop wood faster than I can baton it and in 15 years of doing this faster than literally any of you I have never broken or damaged a blade. I have broken or damaged blades BUT NEVER WHILE BATONING.

The more things you can do with a tool the more of a handyman you are. This is the sentiment throughout the entire world of men. If you could paint a house with a hammer, it would impress the shit out of a construction worker. If you have any doubts about this you have never worked a single day in your life.

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>>841560
>Bottom line is nobody in this thread can chop wood faster than I can baton it and in 15 years of doing this faster than literally any of you I have never broken or damaged a blade.

>>838183
>Buck 119 hunting knife
Is it still sharp enough to shave my balls? I could definitely get behind a tool like that as it fills my needs.
Whittle - check
whacking wood - check
hacking meat - check
cleaning up junk - check

Perfect tool

>>841616
Yes

Protip: hit wood at different angles can change the degree on your edge and it works just like a knife sharpener if you do it properly

Its easy just get used to whackin wood and youll know what works for you

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any place that has logs has branches. i don't get this foolishment.

>>839834
>ipso facto
Uses latin
Must be true

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>>841641
BUT IT RAINS YOU FUCKING MORONR!!! ALL THE BRANCHES GET SOAK AND YOU HAVE TO FEEL A TREE TO GET DRY WOOD TO MAKE A FIRE

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>>841651

>>835987
You forgot "pussy ass nigga stick"

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>>841651
>FEEL A TREE TO GET DRY WOOD TO MAKE A FIRE

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>>835964
>>837896
>tips froe-dora

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>>842143
>babbys first navy seal tacticool knife

>>835716
You need to spend at least 300xp to get to Survival level 3 before you can be proficient in this technique.

I've done a lot of /out/ wood cutting in my time

here are a list of ways to get wood that are better than battoning
1. bring an axe
2. bring a hatchet
3. bring a small splitting wedge (so underrated)
so you arn't doing enough to warrant the correct tool, or you lost your primary tool?
4. smash logs on a large stone, or between two large stones
5. use a sharp rock to split down the grain
6. lever a large branch between two other branches, so one of the two breaks
7. use a vehicle to drive over, lever or carry logs to somewhere better
8. just get more sticks and skip mid size logs

there are a few situations where I've ever found or can imagine merit in batoning
when making neat angular cuts in green wood for construction of shelters or traps
to split saplings neatly down the grain when making arrows, not much force required
when you loose your primary tool (never happened to me, just saying)
when you are unprepared for reasons outside your control (holywood)

basically if you know you will need to batton you probably should be bringing a proper tool

>>842365
This is ideal bait for pro-baton trolls. This is like chum in the water for them. Just watch.

>>842374
I just don't want people to waste their time or break their knives

>>842666
nice trips,
In 30-35 year now I've broken 2 knives. Knew both were gonna break before it happened.
You gather wood to burn your way. I'll gather it mine. I really don't see why you anti-batoning freaks get all up in arms.
If I don't like something I do it another way. If I think there is a better way I do that or at least try it.

You need to get over yourself and your desire to carry uneeded weight (in my opinion).

>>842675
>Knew both were gonna break before it happened.
>because I'd been abusing them

I have the knives my grandfather owned. They are close to 100 years old now (my father was born in the 1920s). None of us, who owned the knives, abused them.

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>>835716
It's called "I'd rather break my $200 knife than carry a 2lb $15 hatchet-ing"

I recommend a cheap hatchet with a wood handle.

No. Just swing the hatchet into the top of log. If it doesn't split all the way just pick up the log, with the hatchet still embedded, and slam it down on a hard object until it splits.

>>842675
while everyone is entitled to do things their own way, when you start telling other people how it should be done you have a responsibility to make sure you arn't misleading people

knives are simply not meant to be used as splitting wedges, there is just too much carbon in the steel, the edge can be brittle, and they are an expensive tool that has many important uses

god made branches and logs in all shapes and sizes
making kindling from logs is only for people who order wood in by the trailer load

sometimes it's a good way to get dry wood, if everything is wet you can split a log to get matchsticks for starting a fire

but the reality is that despite looking cool, battoning is slower and risker than just smashing wood like a neanderthal, or looking harder for the right sized wood

>>842675
>you anti-batoning freaks
This is how we know you're triggered.

>>842693
Lived experience trumps theory, and my lived experience, and that of a lot of other people, is that batoning is perfectly safe for the knife as long as you're conscientious of what you're doing.

You don't have to do it. Carry a hatchet, I certainly don't care. If I'm basecamping, I'll take one too. But don't tell people untruths based on your own rationalizations.

>>842709
>lived experience

arn't you the guy who broke two knives?

I see the risk in that people will bring a knife instead of a hatchet when they really ought to have one, then break their knife and end up in the woods with no tools

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>>842709
>>842675
>I broke my knives with my experience
>let me dictate to you why you need to break your knives too.

>>842365
>bring 5 tools and also a car and do other retarded things
>bring a big knife

Pick 1

>>842725
>needs a car to carry a few tools

Suburban American?

>people think batoning is wrong
They don't understand that batoning is for wood under 6 inch diameter
>they troll /out/ with these silly anti-baton ideas
You guys simply are low skilled in using a blade.

Baton correctly and you will have more wood than a 2 man team with axes.

-15 years primitive survival, have baton'd even with skinning knives when I had nothing else, never had a malfunction

It is about knowing what a blade can handle, why focus on the idiots than jam a blade into a knot?

>>842726
Was quoting the text I linked, butterball.

>>842728
THAT jam a blade into a knot*

>>842718
No, different guy. I've never broken a single knife, batoning or otherwise.

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>>842219
>BK9
>batoning a 6 inch ultraknotty telephone pole
disgusting

>>842729
Learn how meme arrows work, kid.

>>835716
You need a quarter-inch-thick, 8-inch blade made of Spring Steel or Tool Steel to split wood.

A better idea is to just get a Hatchet with a thick Poll (Estwing Sportsman's Hatchet) and carve a Splitting Wedge from a piece of thick wood, or file one out from a piece of stone.

Chop out a small gap in the log, deploy the Wedge, then strike it with the Poll of the Hatchet. Piss-easy.

>>843141
carving a splitting wedge is not a bad idea. you can use fire to do the heavy lifting and fire harden the hardwood wedge. if you have time that is.

I've seen somewhere on a website that sold high quality knives. gave a warning on batoning is tool abuse and does not condone doing so. They also said warranties were voided if abuse is evident.

>>844221
Huh, so you're saying I shouldn't baton with my knife in my gorka suit and my vibram fiver fingers when making a fire near my shitty hammock/tree tent? Good to know. Thanks for the heads up.

>>844272
Im not saying you should or shouldn't. I couldn't careless if you do. its your money. Im saying a website that sold knifes calls it abuse.

>>838140
Idk man, i fell for this "make a knife from an old file" meme. I've abused it pretty hard, i've used metal poles to baton, among other dumb things, and it still hasn't failed me. I think it hardened quite a lot when i quenched it because it came out yellow after i cooked it in the oven.

Then again the spine is 5mm thick, i think that's a hair short of 1/5th inch, maybe that's why it's so fucking sturdy

>>844340
i'm making a file knife too in fact i plan on making 3. they can be pretty damn indestructible from 1095 steel. but you need to anneal them after quenching. they can break like glass if you don't. differential heat treat is also an option where you only quench the edge and not the spine but the blade can warp and bend down if you do this.

>>844346
>but you need to anneal them after quenching. they can break like glass if you don't
Did i not say i cooked it in the oven after quenching ? i know that carbopn steel is brittle, i broke a couple drill bits by dropping them on the floor

I have absolutely no idea what kind of steel it is though.
My heat treatment was pretty basic, i did it in my BBQ. I heated it up until the edge was bright red and not magnetic anymore. i couldn't prevent the spine from getting hot but it wasn't as hot as the edge. I just focused on not overheating the edge and heating as little as possible the tang.

I was quite afraid my edge would warp because it was already sharp enough to cut before i heat treated it. I read afterwards that it was better to leave it about 1mm thick before quenching.

Btw this is the video i followed to make my knife. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_jMNsjVc-s

>>841651
> go camp in blm
> nice site, shade, fire ring
> every tree has all lower limbs hacked off


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>842688
> hiking
> carrying anything that's 2lbs

My neet meter overloaded

>>844348
This is why I carry a sledge hammer when hiking

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>>844346
>>844353
My design was quite bad tho so it feels more like a wedge than anything else.
Pic related, my blade when it came out of the oven. the square on the paper are 5mm x 5mm.

Btw annealing is making the metal soft enough to be workable, what you meant was tempering, i think.

I hope my english is not too hard to understand

>>835720
>actually being helpful
Fucking tripfags man.

>>835737
>I've never encountered a typo before

>>844348
I half expected the stump thrown on top to split in two from the edge of the blow.

>>844367
that's a cool knife.

>>843267
That too. Of course, if you're running an external frame pack, you can simply lash a large axe to the outside.

>>835716
Obvious troll is obvious

>>835779
Oh god he's the guy that drives some mediocre sedan and pretends it's a Maybach, he also probably screams at his wife and kid in public.
>>835801
>i hope his son is proud of him
The kekies of keks indeed

>>837605
I'll take a hatchet or ax instead of having to pack half a dozen knives as backup

>>837911
>somewhere there is a man with a cat named Fuckface
think about it, dwell about it anons, also, why did you call your kitty Fuckface?

>>838183
Nice anectdotal story there. Also the people we rag on are the idiots that baton through the knotiest and densest woods possible to prove "muh knife is tuf hur dur"

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>>846515
>i'mmma just testing it for survival purposes...

>>846514
My cat's name was Snot, as in, that's not my cat
that'S NOT my cat
That Snot my cat
Snottie the cat
He was the shizz

>>846526
Because if you're in a survival scenario, the best thing for you is to abuse the shit of your knife. Look at people like Cody Lundin, dude's been using a Mora Classic #1 for years, the same exact one and it hasn't broke on him. There's rarely ever a scenario where batoning is needed besides splitting 2" thick pieces of wood for kindling

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>>846667
>i'm broke down in a barren, treeless, rocky Russian landscape in winter with this load of large firewood and no kindling
>good thing i brought my knife with me

>>846670
Not just any knife, you need the ultimate oper8or™ bushcraft™ survival™ ninja™ wilderness™ full tang 1.5 inch thick knife, anything less is going to break just looking at the wood

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>>846678
Moron, my Farson Blade Survival Tool shits all over that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzvWYZ7mw0

>>846670
Why did you haul in firewood but no kindling?

>>835779
Total /in/ here, why would you chop them in such small pieces for a fire? To make it smaller but last longer?

>>846692
Obviously, taking it to market.

>2016
>not having a knife that is an axe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDOyYFcr08I

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Anyone who is anyone should know THIS is the ultimate survival bushcraft tactical tool

>>849065
what's the advantage over a normal axt?

>>849065
lol wtf is this fisher price shit

>>849090
Ultra high quality titanium steel multifunctional "blade" that can be easily placed on a stick like a tomahawk*
Just kidding,you have to make a deep cut to be able to place it.

>>849092
On the topic of price, the "lumberjack" model costs roughly $180

>>849065
A modular axe head?

>>849173
More like an overbuilt and shitty version of a tomahawk meant for mall ninjas. It's made of titanium btw

>>849171
>>849175
>titanium

Brittle

batonning works well if the wood isn't too knotty or hard, but if you're trying to go through nasty logs it's not worth the effort

I've gone camping when it was cold and wet as fuck and batonned like a hundred pieces of 1/4" thick dead pine to use as kindling for a few days without mutilating myself. all we had were big fixed blade knives and two folding saws because the axe was in the car six hours down the trail

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>>849309
>forgets tool
>abuses anther tool

Wonderful and inspiring anecdote, anon.

>>835720
>visit /out/ from /pol/ and /k/
>see a question post, click it
> helpful, friendly responses
Huh...

>>835916

Reminds me of a Winter Survival class I attended put on by some USAF SERE guys. They made serious quick work of some wood with the second technique in that video.

Also made me want a Granfors Bruks axe. I think its worthwhile to carry one as a tool with the utility you gain from it unless youre going full ultralight.

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>>849065
Ah, the full no grind.

>no edge
>handle gets in the way of splitting (implying you would get that far)

basically a retarded hammer
23st/December would buy

>>838585
silky saw m80

Get a busse and baton to your heart's desire

>>849341
>full ultralight.

Memed hard my friend.

>>849594
>handle gets in the way of splitting

See 2nd technique in vid in >>835916

Stay inside, kid.

>>849272
but muh high quality multi tool

>>849631
No technique excuses that atrocity of a "tool"

>>849689
Seems ultra useful and a lot better than those other similar multi-use axe heads made from sheet metal.

>>849705
>titanium
Not much better, titanium is practically unsharpanable. Also why this over a tomahawk style head? With a tomahawk all you need is a stick, with this you need to make a cut in a piece of wood to be able to fit it.

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>>849631
You can also use the saw method and split it as well. But that's hardly a log that needs to be split with a base and hard swinging. In that video he's using a standard hatchet and processing 3" sticks. Technique doesn't matter with this pretentious garbage, you're better off just getting a regular tomahawk than this highly experimental device. I'd love to hear Ray Mears' opinion of this thing. Look at it, there's no grind whatsoever, the metal goes 3/16" thick and straight to the sharpened edge. Pretty unusable. Titanium is light anyways and with that many wrench holes it's even lighter so you'll have to swing pretty hard which makes its normal use dangerous and exhausting.

Those brackets are going to eat away at the handle -they already have on the middle one- if you don't break that flimsy bolt first. The most normal looking one has a lanyard which WILL tear one way or another.

But anyways good on them for trying. If anything it's an interesting collectible.

>>849898
>blah blah blah spurging out blah blah blah

Those videos are only for educational purposes.

>>849594
>>849898
>no grind

It is a "V grind" and typical on small hatchets and tomahawks.

>>849171
>>849272
>>849752
>>>849175
>titanium

Those come in stainless steel too.

>>849904
>It is a "V grind" and typical on small hatchets and tomahawks.
Doesn't seem that way in the photo.

This "knife technique" is called autism. Buy a hatchet, saw, or axe, but don't pretend that your abuse of a knife is "tacticool" and "survival".

>>849065
This looks queer. There are more efficient and more innovative axe designs that don't look like something out of power rangers.http://www.helkonorthamerica.com/store/c3/Vario_2000.html

>>849925
It has moving parts so it is automatically disqualified as a good tool as an axe/hammer as it is advertised. I'm not fond of the type you posted simply because yanking a branch off a tree to replace a handle, like what you can do with traditional axes, is far more appealing.

>>849914
Looks plain as day to me. What do you think a V grind is, kid?

>>849175
it's a literal pocket axe you only have to carry the head in case you need an axe. it's also kind of a multitool. altho it sucks ate being both an axe an d a multitool i would have more respect for someone that carries this just in case then nothing at all.

>>849937
>It has moving parts so it is automatically disqualified as a good tool
you are retarded nothing moves on it once assembled. by your definition every fucking axe that has a removable head has moving parts. so all axes are shit except for fiskars types or what?

>>842219
you notice at least half those images were taken in the frost. temperature will make heat treatment counterproductive, and its crystalline hardness becomes so hard that it becomes glasslike. if you need a knife for cold temperatures, you shouldnt be using an extremely hard steel

>>850698
>being this butt blasted and retarded

No, axes don't have moving parts. Unlike those POS which have moving parts. Every hit you make can loosen them and break them. It isn't like replacing a wedge on a standard axe head. Once your POS mechanism is broke, there's no repairing it properly. That's a massive problem.

>>850727
>making concessions for tool abuse

>>850727
yes most steels in the 0C to -20C region become really brittle. it's a pretty steep curve.

>>850762
>Every hit you make can loosen them and break them.
same is true for any axe handle anon. you are making zero sense.
>Once your POS mechanism is broke, there's no repairing it properly.
why would it break? it's not really a weak point. edge is much more likely to chip or the blade to split at the (too many) cutouts.
but you can clearly tie it with a rope the built in fastener is optional. did you even look at the thing? and it's not mine i find it overpriced extremely overpriced but interesting and your points are all without exception clearly false and invalid.
>being this butt blasted and retarded
indeed

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>>835716
>What kind of knife do recommend for it?
pic related it was made for this stuff.

>>850762
if you have the tool for the job, its not abuse. such knives were made for such burden, and temperatures are a factor when looking for such a tool. manufactured items cannot account for the individuals situation. fisherman need stainless steel, canadian trappers need steel that doesnt turn to glass in sub temp

>>850767
yea mora also has a lesser known carpentry knife, but in hilarious mora style, remains partial tang, which makes fine sense for most mora blades, as they are well seated and not built for work, in this case does not fit something used as a workhorse. then again you wouldnt be building a house with it. my father had a stanley pretty heavy duty carpentry knife that i requisitioned, but my bush knife still my blade of choice

>>850812
chisel knife i should say, though a chisel is really the only acceptable carpentry blade, so i remain to call them carpentry knives

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Condor knives: Boomslang/dundee bowie/crotalus/hudson bay/Moonshiner/Moon stalker

Ontario knives: SP10/SP50/SP5/SP15/RTAK 2

Ka-bar: BK7/BK9/ka bar heavy bowie

Cold Shit:

Buck: Hoodlum

missing alot of brands and alot of ones i havent put above but all of these will work and i think all of them are 8.5 inches or longer, most are 1/4 inch thick in stock.

have fun.

keep your shit sharp

>>850812
I think every builder in Sweden would be surprised to hear that Moras aren't "built for work". What the hell kind of work are you doing that snaps tangs on the regular?

>>850844
>What the hell kind of work are you doing that snaps tangs on the regular?

Work that needs a proper tool for that job, obviously.

>>850844
its highly likely that a mora blade would break before its tang, they are very firm in place. but again, you arent building any homes with a mora. its a pocket piece

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>>850871
>its highly likely that a mora blade would break before its tang
it's highly likely for any knife. most common is breaking off the tip chipping the edge or breaking off the blade near the choil.
tang breaks are so rare they mostly count as urban legend. it does help if the knife is not made by retards and does not have un-rounded angles of hardened steel.

>>850938
my issue with partial tangs is in the center of gravity, though strength is a factor and i want to know its all where i want it. partial tangs might not fail, but the way they handle force and torque feels far under ideal

>>851101
yea harhar force and torque

>>850693
So whats wrong with a tomahawk or just regular axe head?

>>850812
There are videos of people smashing Mora handles with sledgehammers and they didn't break, Mora handles are virtually indestructible

>>851101
no that is completely wrong and invalid anon.
why the full tang meme is pushed by hardcore survivalists is completely different reason.

take a knife with a quarter tang and hard plastic handle. it will most likely serve you for 20 years without a problem but if you have to replace the handle you are kind of fucked. you could still use a hundred years old butcher knife if you make new scales for it. you can even just wrap a full tang knife with rope or rags and use it that way.

modern plastics are incredibly strong and durable but uv and exposure will eat them up eventually.

basically i would rather carry two moras than one esee. one on me one backup in the pack because if you fucking lose your knife or the blade breaks it doesn't matter if you can replace scales on it or use it without them one bit. you lost a knife and that's it. if you have spares that solves every problem and you can go cheap.

>>851143
>So whats wrong with a tomahawk or just regular axe head?
nothing this is specifically made to be a pocket tool or just clipped on a backpack and most importantly to very quickly easily make handles for it. you need to put more work more precision more consideration into a tomahawk or axe handle. it's perfectly doable to replace an axe handle if you have well dried seasoned hardwood and lots of time to carve it.

this fucker will work great with green wood i think it doesn't even have to be particularly hard. takes about 2 minutes to improvise the handle tops. i think it would take me a good hour to make a tomahawk handle that i can put in and fits right at least.

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>>851152
Here's a cute fro for you

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>>851159
Nice, have another.

>>851147
>It would take me a good hour to make a tomahawk handle that fits right
All you really need is a stick, it takes a few minutes to cut down a sappling or branch, you don't need to carve it at all

>>851176
that's not how tomahawk handles work anon.
you need to carve some for a snug secure fit.

i assume you don't just jam a branch through until the head gets stuck and you end up with a really weak bendy handle of barked green wood.

>>851180
case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cAjqynB5AQ
this guy clearly spent more than an hour (based on ambient tone change) on his handle and it still looks like improvised crap and he also used knife and saw not just the hawk head.

>>851184
You don't need to wedge it, all you need is a "good enough" handle. It took me a few minutes to make a handle for an axe head, all i did was cut a sapling to length and debarked it, make a stopcut and baton out the chunk so there's more material above the head. All in all took me a few minutes to do. At least with a hawk you can make a handle, with that piece of garbage you need a knife and a saw otherwise you won't be able to make it, you need to make that cut with a saw and it needs to be fairly wide as well. A tomahawk is a far superior choice to that piece of junk

>>851192
>with that piece of garbage you need a knife and a saw otherwise you won't be able to make it
i don't know where you are getting this bullshit anon. all you need to do is split a branch that you don't even have to debark a little bit wedge the head in and pull the wrench tight and it1s done faster than i typed this post.

>>851192
>A tomahawk is a far superior choice to that piece of junk
they are about the same really, can do the same stuff. good hawk being slightly better but also heavier and packs worse and harder to make a handle for.

>>851196
You don't have to debark or carve a stick for a hawk either, i did it because i wanted a semi comfortable handle. Also, i'm sure a stick that's going to have a huge and long split in it will be much safer to use that a regular stick. >>851197
>good hawk being slightly better but also heavier and packs worse and harder to make a handle for.
Wow, it's as if you never made a handle for a hawk. It isn't hard, you literally cut a stick, sure some people need to carve them but that's because people choose sticks that are too thick for the eye and this "tool" would also require significant carving to make a handle fit if you got a stick that's too thick, but unlike a tomahawk, with this if you don't carve it just right the screw thing won't get a good grip. I'm also not very fond of having to tighten a screw every 5 hits because it keeps loosening up

>>851196
Also, have you split a dry piece of wood, like, ever? Because if you didn't know, dry wood once you start a split, eventually it will come in half, maybe when making the initial split since you won't be splitting thick wood so the grain will be weak and easy to split.

>>851205
>with this if you don't carve it just right the screw thing won't get a good grip.
you just pulled that out of your ass anon. there is zero supporting evidence to this on the contrary there is a vid where they show how well the head grips wood they can't pull it apart with two trucks.
>I'm also not very fond of having to tighten a screw every 5 hits because it keeps loosening up
nobody is but zero evidence this is an actual issue and not just prejudice in your head.
well all the examples of the split wedge technique were shown on green wood for sure, i think the heads are "teethed" in a was on the top to saw out the perfect diameter slit for the head from dry wood but it would be hard long work. point is either way you don't need other tools.

>>851206
>there is a vid where they show how well the head grips wood they can't pull it apart with two trucks.
>implying force of being pulled apart is same as force of impact
I can hang a regular wood handled ax upside down and stand on the head and nothing will happen, however if i start beating on the beard with a hammer the head will come off.
>nobody is but zero evidence this is an actual issue and not just prejudice in your head.
Oh yeah, no definitely no evidence, no youtuber by the name of PinewoodCH has a video on the 17th of June where the head of the KLAX falls off with the URL of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7kL3BYSvfc no no no, there is NO evidence. Quick history lesson, the Hudson Bay pattern ax is widely known for coming loose with prolonged chopping and splitting use because the eye is so short that it has wiggle room, the eye size of it is comparable to the KLAX, so other than "muh survival bushcraft", what evidence is there to support the strength of the screw clamp thing? Most every tool that has one part attached to another via screw is going to need to be retightened regulary, no $200 titanium over-engineered made in China "survival tool" is gonna make that exception, especially not when all that's holding a tool, an impact tool no less, together is a single flimsy screw. Yup, much physics very true

>>851212
you are saying screw = it will come lose = bad design.
this is however totally false. simple screw can come lose from shock and other reasons. if it does when it shouldn't it's bad design. usually a dual screw or a single spring rinser fixes the issue.

in this case the wood gets compressed under the clamps. same way any tomahawk would develop play but much faster because less surface. my point is you do have to tighten it even the manufacturer says so but not every 5 hits or anything close to that as a little play won't impact the performance. i would be annoyed as hell from the sound for sure.

>>851145
>no that is completely wrong and invalid anon.
what is wrong? my point was an objective superiority

>>851252
no objective superiority has really been demonstrated by full tang knives compared to half or even quarter tangs.

strength is not a factor unless the knife construction is real shit but i assume we are talking about moras and the like.

center of gravity is totally a design feature completely unrelated to the type of tang as counterweights can be placed anywhere especially if not a full tang.

>>851265
the objective superiority is the transference of force and otherwise resides in mechanics. rat tang transfers all the force over less area, causing differentials far different from a full tang blade. im not looking at it from a failure standpoint, im looking at it from a performance one. i would use the fuck out of a mora, but i would not carry an issue kabar

>>851265
the center of gravity is a joint and changes depending on the forces exacted upon something. when you use your knife, the center of gravity changes. the tang of that knife is responsible for how it is transformed. full tang in a knife allows less bad reverb and more precision (again, moras are very well made and seated, and arent being criticized). when you start dealing in swords and axes, you very much do not want a full tang, as you do not want reverb. in a knife, the more reverb the better

>>851270
>when you use your knife, the center of gravity changes
wtf am i reading? center of gravity changes? no unless you use mercury filled knives.

>>851270
>the center of gravity is a joint
only knives that have joints are folders anon.
>when you start dealing in swords and axes, you very much do not want a full tang, as you do not want reverb
uhm, anon this is so wrong i have no words.
vibration as you call it is independent of the hilt construction in swords and completely depends on where your blade is hit. but mostly swords are full tang as they have a thick spike all through the handle and pommel. it more has to do how you construct the handle and how you wrap it and what geometry it has to have than anything. it makes no sense for swords to have the same handle geometry that a knife has.
>in a knife, the more reverb the better
why would anyone want that? seriously? but again it totally depends on how you use your knife if you ever experience such a thing or not full tang or not doesn't matter.

>>851367
the center of force then, which is in most static cases on earth, the center of gravity

>>851368
a mechanical joint, a transformer of force, an operational axis of force, a joint. im not talking about a folder. full tang has less differentials between the hand and the edge, allowing for power and control. an axe is a whip, you throw the head on target and let it fly true. the power and control of an axe comes from the swing, not the contact. a knife has constant contact and requires constant control.

mors kochanski can do things with a mora that i wouldve previously thought imaginary, i trust moras construction. but for a workhorse, i cannot abide anything other than full tang.

i mean, ill use what is available, but im not going to consciously make a suboptimal decision when i have the choice

>>849090
it's hex wrench sockets will allow you to open naturally occurring valves that have grown nuts or bolts that will need to be loosened.

You can use the ruler on the blunt end to measure your dick in the wild.

>>851451
my only problem with the entire rant is that you insist that full tang is objectively better when it's completely subjective.

>99% full tang knives will break the same as not full tang knives (tip, edge, blade).
>full tang knives expose metal to your hand which is uncomfortable in cold weather. hence why this is not in fashion up north.
>full tang knives have worse balance when carried you might like the heavier hilt when you are holding it and stabbing with it some imaginary zombie but then it's on your belt it's a nuisance.
>full tang knives are a meme pushed by homesteader extreme survivalist types that like to run around with 100 years old stuff as a proof of reliability and scorn anything made with plastic.
>full tang is more expensive and a waste of good metal in case it's an expensive steel as the handle scales would allow the shittiest steel to perform just the same in the handle.

>>851821
you keep talking about breaking. i keep telling you it has nothing with breaking. the thing you should worry about breaking is the cycle you are stuck in that forces you to impose your own insecurities on the people you meet

not to mention half your point were non issues. a waste of metal? the fact that you even mentioned zombie in your post strengthens my skepticism in your capacity for contribution

a partial tang is like a rotting tooth. youll probably keep that tooth functional for the rest of your life, but you still try to keep away from tough meats

>>851866
>i keep telling you it has nothing with breaking.
well "stronger" sure implies that is your main worry.
or you seriously think full tang magically cuts better or something? nobody can be that retarded...
>not to mention half your point were non issues.
it's called subjective they were a case in point why would someone never touch a full tang knife in his life.

>>851883
interesting you chose to call me retarded

>>851866
>worrying about others mental capacity
>not making a single coherent argument aside "muh feels"

okay then

>>851932
bullseye huh? i know i'm pretty good at spotting you guys.

This thread is like the dumpster fire that keeps on giving.

>>851934
my arguments so far were exactly the only coherent arguments made. the issue was your own lack of comprehension

also since when did out have so many dishonest pansies? the insecurity here has grown. i guess thats what happens when you browse a webpage called out, which is the literal opposite of what its about

>>852025
>the objective superiority is the transference of force and otherwise resides in mechanics.
is this a coherent argument for you you fucking aspie shit?
>a mechanical joint, a transformer of force, an operational axis of force, a joint.
or this one?
>full tang has less differentials between the hand and the edge
maybe this one?

fuck your esoteric made up bullshit puzzled together from math books that make no sense in the context anon! you are not fooling anyone you uneducated cuck.

>>852271
fuck you jagoff moron. go watch teletubbies

>>852271
being this shamelessly apologetic for your shit decisions. go stick your kabar up your ass

>>852289
>the fact that you even mentioned zombie in your post strengthens my skepticism in your capacity for contribution
>recommends teletubbies

uhhm. you just can't contain your spaghetti right anon?

>>852291
i never owned a kabar in my life and never will anon. i don't like it. that pic was saved from an other thread here.

i have a mora and that's it. i just can't justify buying anything more expensive for what i do. i cut bacon with it sometimes make some spit or eating stick carve simple things cut rope you know knife stuff. mora is pretty fucking seriously overbuilt for most tasks but you sure can baton it if you want to i have seen it tons off times.

>>852304
ive reiterating multiple times that moras are not part of my discussion. i let no room for misinterpretation, but the insecure moron is too unpredictable and keeps talking about failure rates like a recording stuck on loop. then proceeds to call me aspie, retarded. im frightened that such unawareness is possible

>>852325
moras are not the question they never were. the full tang meme is in question which you in your willful ignorance regurgitate so much.

i told you again and again the full tang does not mean the knife is stronger as evidence of failure rates and types, or that it would cut better it's simply bullshit. some knives are stronger than others, but insisting on only full tang knives are real knives is pure undiluted bullshit. truth is well designed knives made of good materials will do fine independent of construction.

the entire notion of wanting a super strong knife means you are somehow delusional about what task knives perform. for about 90% of them even a shitty opinel would do fine.

>>852329
>willful ignorance regurgitate
the things you say are so interesting. you have a psychologist? cause youd be wasting money, a student could diagnose you

>>852348
maybe you should buy a dictionary...

>>839312
it hurts to live

>>835716
Look what you've done, you've started another /out/ civil war

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>>850762
>>making concessions for tool abuse
No it's true.

Cold temperatures greatly reduce a steels impact toughness.

>>840415
>what's a good inexpensive folding saw
bahco laplander

>>851526
kek

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>>835916
That is so retardedly simple and uses so much common sense that I have never thought of it and have not seen it until now.

>>854566
At least you didn't get really angry over it, like most people do when confronted with that much common sense.

which is probably why the stick has so many terrible names (cheater stick, chicken stick, etc).

>>835716
I call it "Get a goddamn axe."

>>854571
because its childish and ineffective. use a hole in the ground

>>836770
Can confirm, bonking is what this is.

Suitable for the most elite people only, takes practice and dedication to be so cool.

>>841636
>sounds like you're used to whackin wood

>>854625
>spending time looking or digging a hole in the ground

I have better things to do.

>>839312
Jesus fucking christ. Sweet crocs tho :^)

>>839998
It looks like an electrified showerhead.

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I'm confused here. Why would you want to risk dulling/chipping/breaking your blade batoning?
What happens if you get stranded unexpectedly and lose some/all of your gear and you've shit up your carry knife?

I honestly don't understand it even if you didn't go through that scenario. It seems like a lot of effort for little reward. An axe or saw seems much more suited to the task.

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>>842725
> not having a backup blade

>>844340
>"make a knife from an old file" meme
It sounds like it works though.
>>844348
Just use a sledge, jeez.

>>844357
>blm
?
>>844406
I thought it was deliberate to fuse bait and batoning together.

>>846402
And yet here we all are. Must be the /out/ism


>>849065
This is just retarded.
>>849594
I've always loved this pic.

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>>858970
Whoops, forgot my blm pic

>>858957
You are correct. People that baton are ignorant shitheads and trolls.

>>840394
This. I have split wood with a k-bar, but not with lesser knives. And I didn't baton. Petaling ftw

>>841560
As a construction worker, if I saw you paint a house with a hammer, I would be amazed - at your stupidity.

Froe: meant to be hammered. Not an axe, hatchet, or knife. You can hammer them, but if you have to, you did something wrong.

>>842365
This.
/thread

>>846698
Smallest fire=best fire. A fire is a tool. A tool has a purpose it is intended to serve. I use small wood for cooking, and rarely need to split it. When I do, I use a hatchet. I carry a bow saw too, and two knives, one is a ka-bar, and one is a 3 in. folder. Ka-bar is used only if right tools for job failed (broke) or lost.

>>850767
That's a chisel.

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>>839932
>implying pushrods go that high :^)

I'd love to rev out one desu. My friend just got a c5 zo6 and I hope he lets me drive it.

>>840146
Not him but even being popeye tier it's still inefficient and time consuming. I can't believe people are this retarded about weight/space

>>851526
Kek

>>849065
> people buy this shit
Those wrenches are near useless. Take a tool roll.
>>849272
What if it's annealed?

>>849341
>ultralight
These guys are such fags. There is no need to saw your tooth brush in half because muh grams. Man up.

>>849898
>But anyways good on them for trying. If anything it's an interesting collectible
No, it's an abortion and belongs in the trash.
>>850812
Muh tang

>>859723
>I can't believe people are this retarded about weight/space

Son of a bitch. I even got an ultra thing debit card so the extra weight is shaved off. I don't carry any money, only the debit card.

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>>851270
When did knives become tuning forks and when did CoG get rewritten? >>859734
Did you drill holes in it too?

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>>859824
>Did you drill holes in it too?

H-HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!

All it needs is the numbers and magnetic strip, I can cut everything else away.

>>835716
This thread still exists?

>>860276
Correct
>>860362
Yes