Homegrowmen (Farming and Gardening) Thread #51

US Farm Income and Taxes,
http://www.hobbyfarms.com/farm-marketing-and-management/farm-income-taxes-14991.aspx

US Grants and Loans for Small Farms,
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdahome?navid=GRANTS_LOANS
http://afsic.nal.usda.gov/farms-and-community/grants-and-loans-farmers
http://www.nal.usda.gov/afsic/pubs/funding.shtml

Managing Risks on Your Small Farm,
http://agr.wa.gov/Marketing/SmallFarm/managerisk.aspx

Chicken info and forum,
http://www.backyardchickens.com

Rabbit guide
http://www.agriculture.gov.tt/publications/manuals/rabbit-production-a-producer-s-manual.html

A public access seedbank for many types of rare or endangered plants; both edible and ornamental,
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/index.htm

Organic and heirloom selections:
http://sustainableseedco.com/
http://www.seedsofchange.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/

Potato, Sweet Potato, and Tubers seed bank (free, but requies filling out forms and waiting in line):
http://www.cipotato.org/

Awesome interactive plant/gardening maps for USA, Canada, France, UK, BC, (frost dates, temp zones, etc):
http://www.plantmaps.com/index.php

Sprout seeds and info:
sproutpeople.org

Insect Habitats for attracting polinating bees, predatory/parasitic wasps, hibernating ladybugs, butterflies, etc.
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/insect-habitats.html

Toad and Hedgehog Habitats,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JetkWtw7Jc
http://familycrafts.about.com/od/frogcrafts/a/How_To_Make_A_Toad_Village.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/breathingplaces/hedgehog_home/
http://www.britishhedgehogs.org.uk/leaflets/L5-Hedgehog-Homes.pdf

Chili Peppers
http://www.fatalii.net/

More on Aquaponics & Aquaculture,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=26xpMCXP9bw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=_WgfaJjvfxA
http://www.appropedia.org/Aquaponics

Sourcing plants from the grocery,
http://www.diyncrafts.com/4732/repurpose/25-foods-can-re-grow-kitchen-scraps

>>728230
>>728231
All links rechecked, everything works. Torrents have only like 3-6 people seeding though.

Anyone have links to good info/guides not listed in these posts?

Can anyone recommend a good seed catalog?

>>728301
Flowers or vegetables? What country?

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/
http://www.johnnyseeds.com/catalog.aspx

>>728330
US of A. NorthEast. Flowers are my interest now, though I won't say no to veggies.

I should add I want a place that will ship me a paper catalog that I can read and order off of in the comfort of my garden. One of the whole points of the garden is so that I'm not staring at a computer all day.

>>728339

My mom used to work for these guys, they have a beautiful campus in Litchfield, CT. And they send paper catalogs.

http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/

>>728224
I'm not sure I follow as far as why I'm unwinding string with more plant? Yeah I ain't new pruning fruit, penalty just suckers to encourage production instead of foliage.

>>728357
>I'm not sure I follow as far as why I'm unwinding string with more plant?

You unwind the string to lower the plant that is now too tall. You slide the hanger to the side so the plant leans in one direction. You only do it if the plant keeps growing and is going past the top wire. If you have a short growing season you probably don't have to worry about it.

The fruit pruning is to encourage the largest tomatoes possible.

>>728446
Do tomatoes increase in yield when you tie down the plant like fruit trees do?

>>728451
You mean espalier? It allows more light into the plant. It is a good method for determinate plants.

>had to bring in peas last night because of freeze
>planter breaks in half while I'm carrying it
>gore everywhere

;_; hopefully a few of them will survive

>>728486
I just found one of my seedlings completely withered this morning. Its pals are fine.

How do I know the lower limit of how little I can water my plants? I've got bugs on the soil and I hard it doesn't really need to stay wet? Growing tomatoes, basil and rosemary. What's a good test?

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>>728540

The basil and tomatoes will visually let you know they want water by drooping their leaves. Neither put up with a lot of drought. Advice also varies based on the size of the plant.

Rosemary will put up with some stuff, but isn't exactly succulent either. If it visually indicates being low on water, I've never seen it do it.

A rough way to do things is to water deeply, let the soil dry until the plants either show signs of a need for water or the soil feels dry when you stick your finger into it. Then repeat.

Larger plants (speaking in terms of leaf area) in small pots tend to go dry much faster than smaller plants in small pots.

Are you growing these plants indoors? What's the insect trouble?

Have some chilli plants I grew in buckets this summer, started them late, did all the wrong things because I am a noob. Anyway, wanting to bonchi them to overwinter because not a lot of indoor space.

I have some cheap clay pots I was thinking of using, just a question as to whether they need to be wide pots or not? These ones are fairly deep, but I'm worrying that I might cut the roots in too close to the stem or something.The plants are only around 1" high and very bushy (again, I fucked it all up so they were stunted).

>>728659
Full grown pepper plants need about 3-5 gallons of soil at most. They can last for several years indoors or in places where the weather isn't cold. I wouldn't plant them in anything less than a 3 gallon bucket, if that helps you judge the width and depth.

>>728670
Serious? I only grew them in like 2 gallon buckets (I use metric so the conversions iffy), and I was thinking more of this guide http://www.fatalii.net/Bonsai_Chiles_Bonchi

Thought someone might have done it before. I don't even have room for the 2 gal buckets let alone 3, and I wanted to keep multiple plants inside. Was going to use them as seedling stock for the next few years, as I could be moving at any time.

Hey guys,

I want to get into growing microgreens for salads and garnish. Plans are to buy some balcony hanging planters soon and get them all prepped. Anyone here grow microgreens and have some tips? I'm sure I can find some seed packs online, but do microgreens even have seeds to replant? What would be the best way to replant them for a new crop?

Cheers

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So, I needed a slender pot with no drain home. I came up with this.

To compensate for the lack of drain, there's a layer of rock on the bottom and the straw is perforated all the way down to make sure there's air for the roots.

>americans call capsicum "red bell pepper"
No

>>728701
If you don't have room for the buckets, you won't have room for the foliage of the adult plants.

>>728757
"Microgreens" are immature shoots of normal salad greens. Somewhere between the sprout and baby green stage. If you need seeds, just let a few plants grow to normal size, flower, and go to seed.

>>728872
Capsicum is a genus. In which are many species, including the cultivar red bell pepper of the Capsicum annuum species.

>>728554
Thank you. I'll follow your advise. I'm growing them indors. They insects aren't a problem i think. Just gnats.

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Hey growers, new to this. 1st time starting from seeds indoors. Are these getting too leggy?
Light is from an aquarium. Is that acceptable or is there a better and not too spendy option?
thx!

>>728942
see my post
>>725156
and the responses to it

get a fan, put light closer

>>728486
protip: plastics are shit and break down over time when exposed to sunlight. i hope you arent doing some uppy bucket garden bullshit.

>>729021
Much easier to remove rootballs from though when having to repot often

>>728903
>Just gnats.

Keep an eye on their numbers. If you start noticing a great many of them, there may be a problem. Otherwise, don't worry about it too much. Research "Fungus gnat" for more info, they are only a problem when their numbers are too high.

>>728942
Yes, they are too long. They need more light that is closer and perhaps some air movement, but light is the key here. Most average growing lights and normal lights need to be extremely close to plants to properly work.

>>729027
>>729021
I prefer clay pots. But they are so easy to break, that's the only downside I dislike. Their weight is fine for me.

For ease of repotting I recommend you bury a strap or coat hanger wire in the bottom of the pot. Just give it a pull when you need to replant. Making a plus sign with the wire in the bottom and having 4 ends come up out of the top is usually the best pattern. You can make the ends into hoops you can easily tug on to loosen the soil.

>>728895
>http://www.fatalii.net/Bonsai_Chiles_Bonchi

Read that to see what I want to do. They won't be full big plants inside.

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Would anyone in Central Florida be interested in buying custom grow racks from me? I wanted to get some, and saw the selection that they had, and I was pretty disgusted by the price and general shitty quality of it all.

I figured that I could build a very nice one for less that the $600 bucks that they're asking for at the gardening store.

I'm an electrician, and I can weld, so I can build an either wood or steel with lights hardwired into electrical outlets at every level for accessories for a hydroponics setup, or just soil based indoor plants.

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>>729403
Too bad you're all the way down there.

Must be nice to garden year round, tho.

>>729390
That is completely different then. Let them grow in normal big buckets until they are the size you want them to be. You'll still need to root train them the entire time, but they will grow faster. Once you have them where you want them you move then into standard bonsai sized pots.

>>729432
Yeah so my questions were about small pot depth vs width. I don't have bonsai pots, but they are normally wide and shallow pots, but I just have some normal smallish clay pots. I was wondering whether or not deeper style pots would work.

The chillis are already grown, and we are heading into autumn, so just looking for info on it, because I would rather they didn't die at this point.

>>729439
The bonsai pot style is actually an aesthetic selection. You can use deep narrow ones. They just need to match your bonsai style.

Just that growing peppers for max food means something completely different.

>>728903
>be me
>avocado plant is 3-4 weeks old
>mum hates it being in the house
>i comply and put it outside
>after a few days notice small holes in leaves
>looks close and see little gnats or similar insects
>'nah, we'll have none of that shit'
>take it inside
>after sometime i notice holes are still appearing everyday
>i have a theory that they could be hiding in the soil during the day (i don't know much about horticulture)
>spray base of plant with fly spray for shits and giggles
>what happens next is simply awesome to watch
>20 to 30+ gnats or whatever they are all spout out from the base of the plant, running in all directions
>watch as they all die around the pot
>that feeling of satisfaction knowing you saved your plant

>>729444
Are you talking about fungus gnats? I know they can do some damage to roots (and only if roots are already in bad shape/rotting because of over-watering), but I've never seen them eating leaves. I would have think of red spiders/mites

>>729422

Yeah man, it's great. I've had continuous green in my outdoor garden for the last 2 years.

>>729477
theyre called thripes

>>729442
Yeah I get that, but for overwintering this will work really well, and they reckon that you can root the cuttings to clone the plant, so it means that if I have to move, I won't have to move a great big plant. Trust me, next summer I'll be going for max chillis from all the plants, its just now I need to save space, and bonsai pots aren't in my current budget.

Anybody know how viable bottle gourd(calabash) seeds are?
I've just recently acquired a dried gourd which is over 40 years old and I'm considering cutting it open if the seeds will be viable. Thanks.

>>729684
Do the seeds rattle really well in it? If they don't rattle there's a chance it grew fungi in it and the seeds are not viable. But, it if does rattle then there is a small chance they are still viable. If you have a drill, you can make a hole in the bottom that you can put a cork in to fix if you really want.

>>729548
>its just now I need to save space

Hanging pots, more shelving, etc..

>>729444
>Anon saves his plant imouto

Glorious

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Will my pineapple ever flower inside? It's 3 years now, I'm at 49°N

>>729444
It's beautiful
How'd you germinate your avocado pit?

>>729915
Windows filter UV.

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>>729821
>>729922

Thanks lads.
I germinated mine by placing half of it in potted soil indoors and made sure the soil was always damp. It took off really quick. What i'm uncertain about is time and growth; the plant is a year and a half or more old and it's only a meter high. Shouldn't it be growing quicker?

Also, i have a question for avo-experts. Are there different species of avocado plant? An anon posted a picture of his avocado plant in the older thread and the leaves look different to those of mine.

Here's a photo of mine. I'll post a photo of anon's next.

>>729924
No they don't, but you can get film for Windows which blocks UV

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>>729930
Anon's avocado plant

>>729931
Modern windows all have that film layered in unless specifically mentioned. It doesn't work perfectly, but it severely reduces UV transparency.

>>729940
>Modern windows all have that film layered in unless specifically mentioned
no

>>729940
>>729924
>>729931
Doesn't even matter. Even plants themselves have UV blockers. UV blocking windows do not affect the growth of the plants if there's enough light for x amount time.

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Hiy out, I was cleaning my aquaponics system today and I came across this little plant. Does anybody know wich plant this is? I think it could be oregano from last year.

>>730001
Was wondering if anyone here did aquaponics. I'm fishless cycling mine now. Can't wait to get growing!

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>>730009
I'm starting tomorrow. I did some adjustments to my setup so the glue is still drying. how big is your system. I'm working with 1400L and a fish density of 40. this is a picture of last year setup

>tfw it's your first time starting a garden by yourself
>tfw you live in Eastern Canada in zone 5B and you have to start your seedlings indoors until mid-May

I want to plant my shit outside right now REEEEE!

Anyways, any tips for a first time gardener? I've already read a book or two and know the basics.

Also, which is better for organic pest control: lady bugs, or preying mantids? I've heard that preying mantises are great because they eat anything that moves, but I've also heard that they don't really stay in your yard (unlike lady bugs, who don't have that long of a range, but only eat aphids).

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>>730038
>I want to plant my shit outside right now REEEEE
This
But this happened yesterday

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>>730138
can i come live in your shed

>>730144
>shed
I prefer to call in my mini back yard storage house

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>>730147
can i come live in your mini back yard storage house

>>730150
Yes

>>730001
In that case you can just rub the leaves a little and smell it

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Hi new thread, how's it growing?
Also, how do I mentally prepare myself for the inevitable thinning of my precious children? I know I must, but it still feels odd.
Oh, and I brought some pictures of plants from my grandparents' house (some of which I'm having trouble identifying because I spaced out while grandfather was telling me.) Would anyone care for a dump?

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>>730138
>>730038
50°N here, temps are zig-zagging now, gotta put my lemons in/out constantly (sun is standing high enough now in the noon hours so that the over-extending roof blocks it from the South window they were on over winter) but most of the other still potted stuff like herbs, tomatoes and fig seedlings can now stand mostly outside also overnight, while watermelon, basil and bell pepper remain inside mostly
Already planted out strawberries (bought 30 plants from store because my seedlings are tiny and barely grow) alongside with thyme between them, as well as 4 more tomatoes (if someone remembers, already put 2 outside in mid-March and while the smaller one looks mostly dead by now, the tall >1m one looks rugged up on the bottom too - there was a strong storm recently - but shoots healthy looking new foliage from the top), alongside a couple of my oregano seedlings
Already harvested a small portion of asparagus a couple days ago too but they're still quite slow right now

BTW Google is lying, it's raining yet again ;_;

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>>730313
Pic of most of the (still) potted stuff

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Hey guys, so a combination of inspiration from pumpkin anon and a history of all grown edibles croaking has led me to sprout a couple of gourds. Anyways I've noticed that at the base of ever leaf on the seedlings there are a pair of two droplets of water. I can't find any information about it online, I don't think its a sign of disease or anything, but I thought I might ask you guys if you knew what causes this. Is it that water exuded from the stomata is collecting there? Or maybe from the soil itself?

>dat feel when waking up to snow outside and having to wonder about all the flower buds on all the trees in my orchard.

Yet another year without mulberries.

>>730038
>Anyways, any tips for a first time gardener?

Don't plant too much at once and don't plant too much too closely together. There's a strong urge to, "PLANT EVERYTHING!"

>>730284
Envision all of them growing and crowding each other making for bunches of stunted smaller plants. Then envision the plants you'll be left with after thinning as fully grown and full of fruit and ready to harvest.

>>730319
It is called, "Guttation". It is normal.

>>729930
>>729932
There are different varieties, I think the most common is Hass. Though the differences between the two plants are more probably due to growing differences (soil, water, light and temperature).
If you think your avocado is slow growing, try adding some light, though one meter is not that bad. If you want a thicker stem you could try to let it grow a few leaves in addition, then top it

>>730327
responded in record time, thank you kindly.

Would a full grown rosemary plant choke out a tomato seedling? Is it only right to growing seedling with seedling?

>>730350
Rosemary grows notoriously slowly especially compared to tomato. So unless you plant the tomato right below the rosemary and keep a small distance of 5+ cm, it should be fine

>>730038
>>730138
>tfw zone 8b
>tfw can put out plants tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfoxsfhi-kk

>>730354
What radius would you recommend for a homemade 2 ft deep circular planter for a single tomatoe plant? I'm making planters tomorrow.

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Finished replanting my sprouts today. Now they just have to grow a bit bigger before I hang them up.

Follow up question, do you guys happen to know if gibberellic acid that you buy online and mix up is limited to a certain variety of plants? I was under the impression that the hormone was universal, but I'm not sure.

>>730360
Uh, no idea about growing tomatoes fully potted (that's what you want?), I always plant them out in the garden, you should too (unless you have forbidding limitations such as living in a flat or extremely cold climate), because they need a lot of sun or they become leggy.
I can only say as a general rule of thumb - as much as the plant grows above ground, about the same space is needed for roots below ground. Of course you can reduce the latter a little but it means putting more effort into equal fertilisation and moisture (neither too much nor too little, that window becomes narrower the smaller the pot is)
But then again, just basing this on common sense, a pot of 60cm depth and 60cm diameter should be generally more than enough for an annually-cultivated tomato

>>730364
It doesn't work for everything. You need to google up the info for the type of plant seeds, each individually.

>>730394
Don't want to be a bother, but do you know of somewhere specific? because the keywords I'm using mostly bring up unrelated scientific papers on unrelated plants. Thank you either way.

>>730364
>>730394
Dunno much about hormones, but are you trying to get seeds to sprout with the help of that?
I'm not a hippie organic guy just so you know, just haven't messed with hormones yet
But to my experience temperature is a key factor, many different seeds that would otherwise need 1-2 weeks to sprout (tomato, basil, Mexican sunflower, strawberry, bell pepper, oregano, thyme, watermelon...) sprouted in 1-3 days when soaked for a few hours in warm water first and then put on a radiator with constant 30-35°C (wrapped in plastic foil to keep up humidity)

>>730420
To add, some acceleration can also be achieved by rubbing the seeds a little against sand paper

>>730420

Actually, I was planning on adding it to the water on a young plant in addition to attempting to sprout seeds. Can it not be used to accelerate the growth of already sprouted plants?

>>730443
Sure, but it shrinks your testes and makes you rage for no reason.

Hormones tell organism how to allocate resources. The only reasonable use I know for hormones in horticulture is helping cuttings to take root.

I want to take cuttings of wild blueberry plants and clone them into my garden. The quality of the fruit is good and they are growing locally with shade and nutrient levels similar to mine. How many cuttings should I make and plant to get at least three surviving clones?

>>730499
this will be hard to do, you will want some sort of growth hormone for the cuts and you will need to mist these plants nightly

>>730009

Yep, I'm always lurking this thread for aquaponic info. I'm also in the middle of cycling. I'm in the middle of the nitrite spike but I think it is *just* starting to drop.

I'm running a CHOP system with 150g fish tank, RFF (5g), MBBF (5g w/ Kaldnes K1), and two 50g media beds with Hydroton.

I've already planted about 15%-20% and what is there is doing well.

Anybody ever grown watercress in nothing but gravel and water?

I heard that if you keep a steady stream of water going over it, it will grow like crazy

>>730445
Hormone products are mainly used for root growth and seed germination.

>>730420
>>730425
There's like 10+ methods you can use for seeds to help them germinate. Some are specific to the seeds.

>>730386
The plot of land I want to use is shaded and I can't get the tree above it cut back until autumn. So i'm going to use chicken wire and paper and bags to transport the dirt into the sun and plant it there for a season. How much dirt do you think I'll need for a single tomato with herbs interplanted with it? The chicken wire is 2 feet tall.

>>730386
Thanks for you answer.

>>730863
A decent tomato will grow in a 10" pot, add another 2 for the herbs. I think a foot across will do. Tomatoes are pretty lean down low and only really grow leaves 6-18 inches up. You can cut lower branching and flowers for increased yield on the main fruits. The plant could live a few years, but probably you will want to start from seed next year anyway.

>>730873
3 years is the normal, best life cycle for a tomato plant.

>>730896
You live in a tropical climate? Here it'd be almost impossible to cultivate it as perennial because it would have to be inside for almost half a year + artificially lighted

>>730896
How is that possible when tomatoes die with first frost?

>>731030
You keep them in pots and rotate them inside when it gets cold.

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>>731030
>>730961
Indoors/greenhouse

You can get them cheap now. Though, I recommend buying $100 in extra lumber to brace those rickety pieces of shit.

Any tips for growing peppermint?

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>>731062
Well yeah I guess it works on industrial scale (Holland does it but their tomatoes taste like water desu) but for doing it privately it's just too much of a hassle IMO.
I'm the guy who "over wintered" a tomato by cloning several times successively - they just grow too fast. After 2 months of a sucker growing roots (mid-January to mid-March), the plant had already grown to >1m in height and my 24W LED wasn't enough any more
Had to plant it out in the garden early and don't know if she's gonna make it, but I do have another sucker of that one which just took root a few days ago, making it the 5th clone "generation"

>>731069
Don't step on it, basically.

>>731076
>>731069
While they're said to be invasive, I have a few growing in the garden that have probably been there for 30 years, but never spread out of its original place

>>731036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEZWYXPvmS8

>>731069
>Any tips on killing peppermint?
FTFY desu senpai

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>fall asleep

Hi again. I see a tiny lettuce seedling poking out of the soil but its leaves have brown edges and I don't think it'll survive very long sitting in the same tray as the sun-loving cherry tomatoes.
Soon...
>>730320
Huh. It helped! I know thinning helps the plants, but I haven't looked at it that way. Thanks.

>>731069
Easy, just try to kill it.

>>731137
Easy, just take care of it.

>>731062
the cheap ass greenhouses from harborfrieght are pretty good if you are semi-competent and understand how to reinforce them.

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I posted a few months ago.
Here is the update to my indoor

>>731416
Impressive!

How did you manage to turn your gravity sideways?

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>>731416

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>>731419
Now you're just messing with me.

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>>731427
Nope. Peppers and tomatoes planted 2/7

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>>731439
Wtf are the pics upside down. Fuckin ipad

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>>731440
Tobacco from spring 2015. Guess it's a perennial. Second batch of seeds. Probably have 3000+ seeds
Would give some away, but it's this site.

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>>731441
Tomatoes and peppers(next pic) pollinated with my wife's vibrator

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>>731443
>>731440
Never mind already posted pepper
Here is a pineapple top that I'm rooting

>>731418
The magic of iCrap

>>731440
It's because you rotated them using exif data which 4chan strips or we'd all know where you live.

>>731451
Thx. Not programmer type. Reason I don't usually post. Been lurking since '09. I'll know to take pics other way next time.

>>731449
All grow with CFL. I found cheap LEDs are crap.

Will do update tomorrow with outdoor(most were indoor to start).

>>731460
>I found cheap LEDs are crap
For the plants or to run? What brand did you use, and which colors?

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>>731463
For the plants. The only plant that did well(and I mean WELL) was romaine lettuce.
Cheap Chinese 5, 3 watt bulbs. 2 blue 3 red.
I know LEDs are the future(over hid and fluorescent) just not sure they are the best yet.
Btw I haven't used the pricey ones

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>>731473
Another pic.
Will do another tomorrow with light filter

>>731473
Btw that's a homemade reflector

>>731473
They only do it commercially for lettuce, so I guess those just like that light.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh_zJ09jUc0

>>730320

>Nature fucks up the mulberry guy's mulberry crop again

You're like a running gag at this point.

This weather is too fucking autistic this year, I feel like I'm spending all my time dicking around with row covers

>>731611
I'm glad for once I can't even start planting for another month.

>>731069
>>731137 here.
Serious answer, cut the runners to make it bushy instead of leggy. Don't let it exceed the bounds of the pot. Use a wide pot if you can.

>>731419
>>731439
>>731440
>>731441
>>731443
>>731449
You're holding your phone upside down. Merely because it auto-magically rotates the image right-side up for you in the screen of your phone doesn't mean the photo is actually rotated correctly when saved.

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>>731586
You're telling me. It'd been 8 years since the last crop of mulberries in this area. I made wine with it (pics fully related).

Only this year, the main mulberry tree died it seems. Luckily, I have a few I started from cuttings from it. I need to make more cuttings and get things moving along. I'll be espaliering them so I can easily maintain them and cover them to prevent frost problems in the future. However, that means at least 5 more years without mulberries.

>>731611
iktf

It's been in the 80F range all week then the past 2 mornings there's been snow, frost and -5F temps. No one plants anything here until May 1st, except the daring. I have frost tolerant stuff I can plant at least.

>>731660
>Unripe fruit and green parts of the plant have a white sap that may be toxic, stimulating, or mildly hallucinogenic.[10]
>hallucinogenic

Ah hah. I see why you like mulberries so much.

>>731682
Sage

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Hhhnnnggghh.

What itty bitty plants should I plant in them?

>>731688
Watercress

>>731688
Your hands are to smooth.
Get a job you bum.

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Is this salvageable?

>>731748
Only if you find out what's wrong.
Those things are tough. It might lose the leaves and start pretty much from scratch, but it will probably pull through. If you can stop whatever is hurting it.

>>728817
i still would poke holes in the bottom and put it in a tray. even with the straw i would still be worried about root rotting at the bottom.

>>729444
>avocado plant
you mean tree?

>>729930
semi-avo-expert here
im in CA, my grandpa grows. his get about 30 ft tall and he starts a new one in a huge pot every year. he only lets them get about 5-6- years old them cuts them down. he planted one at my inlaws about 3 years ago and i think it had a couple last year but its only about 8 ft tall. these are all outdoors. as to the species, im sure there are different variants but the difference between your plants is probably indoor/outdoor.

also, you're choking it in that pot. get some mulch/manure and put it in at least a 10 gallon pot. 20 would be better.

>>730138
i planted some tomatoes/peppers last month. tomatoes survived a long time, but finally succumbed to the cold. peppers are starting to wilt, but i think that because i didnt dig the hols deep enough and they're not draining. i put my seedlings in their pots outside to acclimate them to the cold before i ground em. tip? get a shit ton of seeds and peat pots, start seeds in every window in your house. you can do that now, even though its cold.

>>730315
mighty fine assortment you have anon.

>>730320
>Don't plant too much at once and don't plant too much too closely together. There's a strong urge to, "PLANT EVERYTHING!"
fuck that. i do that. it theres enough sun, everything will grow. i loved my scatter garden last year.
>tomatoes with corn, beats next to carrots, peas and cucumber growing up the same length of twine

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The one on the left is 6-7 weeks old, the one on the right is 2 weeks old

>>731846
just realized this is misleading, I didn't start from seed, bought the plants from a nursery when they were about 6-8 inches tall..they've been in the containers for the time I mentioned

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>>731682
>Unripe

You don't use unripe fruit to make wine. Haven't you ever had black mulberries before?

>yes google recaptcha, i'll select your pies

>>731688
Chives in the small one and chickweed in the other.

>>731705
>how to spot the gardening newbie
>he has calluses or worse blisters

Experienced and non-stupid people lack rough hands. It is the same when spotting the most experienced mechanic, he's the one with clean clothes.

>>731748
Probably, watch for new shoots coming from the side out of the soil.

>>731790
>fuck that. i do that. it theres enough sun, everything will grow. i loved my scatter garden last year.

"Too much"

Means there's so many they hinder growth of each other. What you do obviously isn't "too much".

>>731846
Nice.

>lives where palms can grow

Jelly.

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>>731611

I'm starting to sweat (figuratively). April 20th was my target date for planting a lot of my spring stuff, but if the ground doesn't dry out next week it's not looking good.

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I got these hyacinths as a gift for Easter but then it snowed a few times and they started dying. Can they be saved?

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>>731935
>lives where palms can grow
Not him (I'm the German from 50°N, zone 8a) but if you like those, there's several species even doable here. You might want to look into the following
- Chinese windmill palm (Trachycarpus fortunei) works pretty much without protection here, quite widespread in gardens (pic related one in my village)
- Cretan date palm (Phoenix theophrasti), works with some protection in colder winters
- European dwarf palm (Chamaerops humilis) has similar requirements
- Dwarf palmetto (Sabal minor) is probably among the most frost-tolerant, but doesn't look like you'd expect from a palm tree (more like a small shrub)

>>731959
They look fine.

>>731951
Use mounds or raised beds.

>>731682
You probably read this in field guides or in Tom Brown's wilderness survival guide. Have you ever tried it though? I grew up in an area with lots of mullberries and in the summers I would harvest like 20+ lbs. a year, most of which I brought to my grandpa to make wine as he lived in an area north of their range. I have tested the unripe mullberries on myself multiple times and can say with a fair degree of certainty this is false. I even did double, perhaps triple, the necessary dose and felt nothing but nausea.

>>731962
Can they survive -40 for 2 weeks?

>>731966
>-40
(yeah I know it's the only temp where °F = °C)
I seriously doubt that any species in the family can, the most tolerant ones can get away with short dips to -20°C
Where are you to get such extremes though, Russia? Inland northern territories of Canada?

>>731969
Actually Zone 5b in the USA. About two weeks every few years ends up being super extreme like that. Normally, the lowest is -15 for a week. Summers are 105F-110F forever.

>>731770
Thanks for your advice. How would you go about transporting it from a clau pot? I'm a little hesitantt about it

>>731965
I had never heard of or tasted muberries because i live in Aus and i assume they don't grow here? They look tasty from the picture i've seen. I came across that on wikipedia btw

>>731990
They should grow in most oceanic temperate and Mediterranean climates, dunno how they do in full tropics in case you live there

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> blogpost trigger warning

Hello there, first time posting in /out/.
I have a pretty big field like pic related with poor water accessibility and always exposed to sun from dawn to dusk. Location is Liguria, Italy.
Four years ago i was forced to cut down a 20+ meter high oak that was going to eventually fall onto the field below mine.
Problem is that oak gave the shade to many plants in this field.
Now almost all of them have dried with only a lemon tree and 3 little orange trees have survived without the shade.
Can you suggest me some fruit trees that needs scarce water?
From google and my own experience the possibilities i got are: fig, strawberry tree and myrtus but i already have many of them in other fields. Do you know other alternatives?

>>731969

>-40 is limited to Russia and Canadian Northern Territories

m8, I live in a city of 3,500,000 people in Eastern Canada, and it dips to -40 generally once every year or two. In the Prairies (where most of our food is grown), it's not unusual for it to be -40 for up to three weeks at a time.

>>732000
Toronto? It's not that cold there according to wiki (record low of -33), in exchange you get much warmer summers. So you probably have to start your stuff later, but it'll grow faster (where I live you have to for example plant tomatoes outside no later than mid-April if you want to have harvest by mid-July - also weed removal is 12 months a year, shit like chickweed, dead nettles, dandelions... spread everywhere even in the middle of winter)

>>732010

Montreal, actually... Fairly colder than Toronto.

Also, I wasn't the guy who you were responding to before, sorry that I didn't make that clear.

how cool

>>732012
Well you're still at the latitude of hot North Italy then so despite cooler weather you get dat intense sun and have to worry less about leggy growth of indoor stuff pre-growing on the window...

>>731990
They are very tasty, fresh berries don't keep too well which is why they are not commercially viable . Plus they are easily crushed. If I had to describe the taste they are like blackberries in texture except the seeds are less gritty and they are not tart at all. Quite sweet when ripe and almost a floral aroma. Talking about red mulberries btw (Morus rubra) although the area I picked from also had white mulberry (M. alba) and the two hybridize regularly. IMO the white and red ones taste identical.

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>>731995
FYI, "Populus nigra Italica" is a good fast growing tree you can use to make a row of shade trees to protect stuff if needed.

>Can you suggest me some fruit trees that needs scarce water?

Punica granatum
Eriobotrya japonica
Ceratonia siliqua

Also, check out "Groasis Waterboxx" and any DIY versions of that device for your trees.

>>732010
>record low of -33

Keep in mind that many temp reading devices are in or very near cities with higher temps than rural areas. Where I live, the local weather forecast is always about 10 degrees warmer than where I live. It isn't cheap thermometers either. My area's lowest on record temp is -32F but everyone around me had -42F a few years ago and local news ran with -40F. Yet, you can't find that at all online.

>>731964

I do plan on doing raised beds this year but I don't want to work the soil too early and wreck the structure.

>>732041
Yeah microclimate is always important. Here, most state-operated ("official") stations are located in the fields away from settlements for better meteorological comparability.
I've been having my own logger since 2013, also in the garden at a shady place of 2m height, and I noticed while mean temps are very similar to the state station, nighttime lows are generally a couple degrees higher in my garden, probably because I live on a south-facing hill and in a village, where there is at least some urban heat effect

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>>728230
Well this WAS going to be a nice raspberry plant but our dog decided against it.

>>732081
Calm assertive, man! Be a pack leader.

>>732081
If it is still intact, replant it.

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>>732108
This is all I could find of it.

>>732084
She's just young and we got her from a shitty owner. It's a process.

>>731770
>plant
>tree

Different things, bud

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>>732036

the problem with poplars is that they are too invasive, and i'm currently fighting (and mostly losing) a battle against wild canes from the neighbor's field, so it would only worsen the situation in the long run.

I didn't think about carob tree, gotta try thanks.

> Groasis Waterboxx

That's a terrific idea you got there m8, have a rare pepe in return

>>732358
You don't know the half of it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Problem_with_Popplers

>>731981
same way you would transfer a small thing. 1.
let the soil dry a bit so that the roots don't fall apart when you take it out
2. fill up the new pot about half way with soil
3. put it in and rough up the sides of the root system with your hands
4. fill up the whole thing with soil
5. soak it
when it's full you need to make sure the existing soil is above the rim of the new pot a bit because the new soil is going to settle.

>>731995
>fruit trees that needs scarce water
whenever i start growing in a new place, i just start seedlings of everything and plant it all. for trees, i would start seedlings and plant everything in 10 gallon buckets. this way you get to see what grows and can find it a permanent ground home once you know.

>>732294
plat that

>>732330
there is no such thing as an avocado 'plant'. you can stunt the growth of the tree by keeping it in a pot thats to small, but if you put it in the ground it will eventually become a tree.

fucking rabbits keep chewing on my trees before they get a chance to grow. pisses me off, I put so much work into trees year and only 5/10 survived the winter because of gnawing rabbits.

>>732419
Get an air rifle and set some bait and wait for them.

are 2 gallon buckets big enough for strawberries? I'm hesitant to grow them directly on the ground, even though I have tons of space.

>>732419
Get snakes!

Seriously, just stake some chicken wire around your shoots.

And talk to your community about pest control. When conditions are favorable for rabbits they fucking explode and gnaw anything that grows.

>>732018
>IMO the white and red ones taste identical.
I only tasted black and white ones.
Black are similar to ripe blackberries in tanginess, but also alot more sweet then them. Also, floral aroma.
White on the other hand have no tanginess at all.
All you taste is subtle sweetness and floral aroma.

At least thats how I remember them, havent got a taste in 3 or 4 years.

>>732422

I have an appox. quart pot with strawberries growing in it. They take anywhere, but that being said I'll never get many berries, its mostly for fun on my windowsill.

Why won't you plant them in the ground? Pests are easy to control and you'll want to plant a lot of them to get any decent harvest.

>>732368
kek

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>>732419

you sure are a weak aussie pussy, capture and breed them

>>732439
Where you from? In eastern N.A. there's only two spp. Red (native) and White which are exotic. The red ones are black when ripe but there is also a species from west asia called the black mullberries (Morus nigra). I guess they are a bit tart sometimes but it is very mild to me. I have seen White mullberry trees with dark berries on it and red ones with pale berries. Hybrids are the norm when they are in the same area The trick is to look at the leaves, M. rubra has dark green leaves with a rough texture and M. alba has glossy leaves that are more smooth.

>>731586
I find this amazing, I live in a big city and even with all the pollution and crazy weather is seems impossible to stop all the wild mulberry trees from producing berries and staining everything nearby.


>>731990
Ripe mulberries are some of the sweetest eats imaginable. But if it's not fully ripe it'll be somewhat sour, making picking and eating a mixed experience.

>>732018
>IMO the white and red ones taste identical.

My experience is sort of like >>732439 - red ones are sweeter and tangier, white ones are a lot less tasty, and the mixed breed pinkish ones are in the middle.

>>732488
not an aussie
why the fuck would I breed them?
these little shits nibble on everything. They even destroyed some of my expensive peonies I planted last fall.

I put did cut up some plastic juice bottles and put them around my trees.

>>732358
>too invasive

The only think I know of that is "too invasive" is kudzu and maybe some types of bamboo. Get a weed eater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0V64Z5zd18

>>732419
Get some rabbit fencing and protect them with that.

>>732422
they can grow in pretty shallow stuff, it all boils down to water retention of the pot. Too small and it dries out too quickly. 2 gallons is just fine.

>>732529
Frost is what kills most flowers for mulberries where I live.

>>732493
The Morus nigra is what I have and they are very sweet when fully ripe and have a milder blackberry flavor. Wild blackberries here are EXTREMELY tart and tiny, great for wine making. The mulberries are usually twice the size of a wild blackberry, while domesticated blackberries are 4-6 times larger then both but much more mildly flavored.

>>732534
>why the fuck would I breed them?
Fertilizer mostly, also meat. They're high speed power composters.

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>>732443
planting them in the ground will require plastic mulch or something to protect the berries.

>>732536
>Frost is what kills most flowers for mulberries where I live.

When is last frost where you live? What's your zone?

>>732551
Zone 5b, but it is more wonky weather than anything else. We'll have an entire month of good weather in the winter and trees will bloom then hard frost, freezes, snow, etc and everything dies and won't produce that season. It can even happen with the apple trees, but mulberry trees are more sensitive to it.

This is becoming more and more common.

>>732493
>Where you from?
Central Europe.

>>732536

> The only think I know of that is "too invasive" is kudzu and maybe some types of bamboo. Get a weed eater.

i already have 3 of them, with metal blades and not.
And yeah, maybe invasive is exaggerated but poplar will sooner or later will pop new little trees from their roots. Sure i can remove them with little fatigue, but a tree "plant it and forget it" would be the best (if i had intention of getting shade on that field again, and i don't/can't)

>>731995
Olives should do fine with very little water (you'll maybe need to water though the first few years until they're established)

>>732529
I've eaten a lot of mulberries in every stage of ripness (unripe ones to try and trip, doesn't work btw) the mulberries that aren't mature have never tasted sour at all to me, just watery and less sweet.

>>732655
>>732358
Not all poplars are the same. Are the ones you are referring to Lombardy poplars which were suggested?

>>731849
You almost made me feel grossly inadequate for just figuring out plants won't grow if you don't let the soil dry out.

Question, /out/ how many peppermint plants can I grow in a 2ft diameter, 2 feet tall pot, do you reckon?

>>732926
>Question, /out/ how many peppermint plants can I grow in a 2ft diameter, 2 feet tall pot, do you reckon?

Quite a few. The pack in well, about 1 stalk for every 2 inches of space.

>>732932
That's 1 in on each side of the stalk? That's really not too crowded?

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Guys here's my December pumpkin plant.

I'm going to murder him soon so I can start my watermelon inside. We got 10cm of snow 2days ago so our season is probably going to be a month behind

>>732939

Thats a shame, keep him going. Looks healthy enough for a potted pumpkin.

>>732966
I got a make flower from it a couple weeks ago too
No bitch yet

>>732993
Male flower

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I return in hopes of more expedient help. My hapless gourd appears to be ill. From what I can tell, is either bacterial or fungal, is there anything I can do? Or is it even worth the attempt to save it?

>>733004
Cut the damaged leaves off and don't water it so much

>>733004
Those yellow leaves are the cotyledon or "seed leaves"
They served their purpose and are no longer needed
You can cut them off if you want

>>732574
>This is becoming more and more common.

I'm down the East Coast from you, and we've definitely noticed it here too. The weather is increasingly hyperactive and aseasonal.

>>732938
>2 inches of space.

Make a grid of 2 inch squares. Plant them at every intersection of the lines.

>>733005
>>733007
Thank you anons. very encouraging, and I see now why many of you have come to take this up as a hobby/skill. It's pretty thrilling to see something come up out of the dirt from nothing. I think I'll be changing the focus of my minor to botany.

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>tfw replanted too early so a good 15% of my sprouts died

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>>733106

>tfw started seeds too early
>pumpkin seeds

I've made a mistake

>>733088
Thanks famalamadingdong

>>733106
Seriously, get a row cover for your stuff. It is worth its weight in gold.

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Fellow canadafriends, don't forget that whatever your grandma told you, March 19th is way too early to start your tomato and peppers seedlings. The best time is right now.

>>732939
>A month of early spring ruined by a late cold snap

If I get home from work and those slugs have been at my peas again I'm going to be fucking livid. I swear they're getting immune to my pellets.

>>733273
>slugs

-Beer traps
-Plastic cups with the bottoms cut out, set around your plant stems with copper tape around the cups.
-Sand as mulch
-Diatomaceous earth as mulch
-Toad houses
-Hedgehog houses

>>733278
Second on the copper. Turns them into batteries, they won't touch the stuff. Used to have years of trouble with snails and pellets never worked right / poisoned my soil. Copper tape just solves the problem.

>>733278

try ash

>>733453
Is Ash gonna catch 'em all?

>>733453
It can change the pH of the soil radically. Only use if if you have soil problem that ash can fix. If it is slightly acidic, go for it.

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>>732419

>>733239
>Late cold snap
We can frost in May here

>>733093
You should read The Martian
The main character is a botanist trapped on mars

>>733169
>Pumpkins
God damnit anon

>>733501
>>733278
thanks guys, I'll give some of these a go. My soil's quite alkaline so I'll be avoiding using ash (thinking of either using peat or sulfur to make the soil a bit more neutral, think it might be stunting my peas).

I especially like the copper cup idea, I've seen people putting copper bands around plant pots before but didn't think how I could apply that to directly planted stuff.

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>>732939
>>733169
Same for my November watermelon, it really has picked up speed only the last couple weeks, seems that day length plays a very great role in those, more so than in other stuff.
3 flowers are also developing, but I have no idea if male or female, and if both can be on one plant for them
Last frost so far was March 10 and there'll likely not be another one, but it's still too cold for them here until about mid-May, seems like I'll have to repot one more time before planting out, which is tricky because of the sensitive roots
But I started 9 more seeds about 1-2 weeks ago of which 8 sprouted

>>How important is a liner for raised bed? I'm about to build a 1 1/2 foot tall raised bed. Because my soil is Sandy rocky maine soil. I want the extra drainage afforded with not having one.

>>733880
>Last frost so far was March 10 and there'll likely not be another one,
Where I am in southern Ontario the farmers almanac doesn't suggest planting annual plants outside until the 3rd weekend in May because of frost risk

>>733898
Liner? You don't use a liner for a raised bed. No weeds will be coming up and if they do it is because they are bamboo or trumpet vine and most liners often times can't stop that.

>>733960
Well, thank you Gulf Stream I guess. Then again our summers are often cloudy and damp plus the sun isn't so strong at 50°N, so you cannot wait to late either

>>733966
I get some of the Gulf stream, and here we don't plant fragile things like tomatoes before May. April is the proverbial crazy weather month, you can get sun, storms, hail, even frost, all in one day. Usually it's limited to a strange afternoon thunderstorm, but with global warming who knows. The climate has certainly been shifting to wet and warm, there hasn't been persistent snow for over a decade, and that used to be a regular thing. I shudder to think what will happen if the gulf stream collapses due to fresh water melting off the North pole and killing the polar heat exchange. That will be 10-15°C down from one season to the next.

>>733966
I'm at 42°N

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>>733968
>>733971
Thing is though that prevailing winds at mid/high-latitudes are from the West (because Earth rotation I guess), that's why Western Europe and America's Pacific Coast are much more oceanic-influenced than for example China or American East Coast
Plus it extends much more to the East in Europe because we have no mountain ranges blocking it like you have with the Rockies

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Hi, again. Unfortunately, my 'absolute beginner' is showing, and I would like to ask some questions. All help appreciated.

-It looks like I might need to get my cherry tomato seedlings into individual pots by Sunday, as I'll be able to give a few of the seedlings away on Monday. I've read that first transplants are done when the plant gets their first true leaves. Pic is my oldest/strongest seedling, is it good or too early?

-I've tried to Google this one but I get Jack on the matter- Is it possible to separate older seedlings from a pot and keep the younger ones in? Some are STILL germinating after nearly three weeks. If course, I'm not opposed to actual thinning, but I wanted to know if that's feasible.

Sorry for the newbie questions.

>>734200
>3 seedlings in 1 space.

Transplant them into their own pots now before their roots are so entangled that you do serious harm to them trying to separate them.

Just separate everything now or start thinning now. Next time only 1 seed per spot.

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>>734202
Oh, yes, this is definitely the last time I try so many seeds; I was unsure of the germination rate due to different environmental variables from where I last had seedlings, and then suddenly they all popped up.

Alright, I'll prepare everything for the separation/thinning. Thank you so much for such a quick response!

No related images, so here have a picture of some wild culantro/recáo growing at my grandmother's house.

>>732849

they are not, but they are neither white nor black poplar.
And not even popolus x canescens.
The kind of poplar we have here has serrated leaves, but i'm unable to find the correct name of it.

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>>734207
Ah...weeds. While we have "only" chickweed growing throughout winter (spreads quickly as fuck but easy to remove), now the time has come where everything grows like crazy, and my personal most dreaded weed is back - Bryonia dioica,
Dozens of seedlings popping up now throughout all of the garden which I removed today. It's the only species of the pumpkin family native to here but it does the family no shame with its excessive growth and forming huge, turnip-like roots preferably in places they are very hard to physically remove from, like below privet hedges.
As a nice bonus, all parts of the plant are toxic and stinky
Literally worse than Fallopia japonica, at least you can eat the young shoots of that one
It wouldn't be a loss to nature if this piece of shit species were extirpated, REEEE

>>734207
>pic

I love identifying vegetation in random photos of people's yards and such. I am mostly stumped by everything in that image. I see some type of grass down in there and what appears to be something in the Polygonum genus. I've never seen Eryngium foetidum before. What does it taste like?

>>734240
Chickweed is delicious when young (salad green or potherb), woody like when older though. We have a similar vine here in the USA "Sicyos angulatus" that is a pain. It looks like a cucumber and is also in the Cucurbits Order.

The worst one I have is a wee tiny flower bearing morning glory of some kind. I made the mistake of leaving it bloom. So, last season I had 1000s of seedlings popping up everywhere. Very annoying.

>>734217
There's a tree in my area called a "tulip poplar" that isn't a tulip or a poplar. Though it sorta looks like a poplar it isn't even in the same Order. So, knowing the scientific name is key to telling what is what.

>>734249
I know about the edibility of chickweed (kinda tastes like unripe maize, not bad) but I don't want it to choke my onions or colonise my lawn desu

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>>734240
>>734249
This delicious little herb is truly like the internet says- a stronger version of cilantro. Much stronger smell, too. Amazing with many dishes, like rice, especially if you make sofrito with it. Sofrito is some sort of cooking 'base' made primarily with culantro and ají dulce (sweet pepper? I can't keep up with all these English translations) we use by stir-frying it before adding the main ingredients. Our word for stir-frying is sofreír, so that's sort of where the word sofrito came from. Also, the smell is heavenly.
The long out-of-focus weed sticking out next to the culantro is cohitre, Commelina longicaulis? Rabbits love it.
I'm not sure what the grass is. According to a relative, the whitish leaf belongs to a member of Xanthosoma, a decorative variety, according to them.

Have another pic, because apparently that was the only picture I took of wild culantro. This here is a young Guanábana (Soursop) plant.

I have a about a 10ft flower bed in front of my house right along the living room windows. I was thinking about planting some really fragrant flowers there so when I'm in my living room with the windows open I smell them. Do you guys have any suggestions for a easy to maintain strong scented flower that stays bloomed the whole summer? I live in Tennessee

>>734249

are you a botanist anon?

>>728339

I'm a Maine veggie gardener, but wife does the flower thing you can get catalogs from Johnnys selected seeds, and fedco. Both Maine companies fedco in particular makes sure the seeds are appropriate for northern zones.

>>734318
>really fragrant
>easy to maintain strong scented
>stays bloomed
>any suggestions

I have one, but the cops wouldn't like it.

>>734276
>Commelina

Yeah it does look like one of those. We have a variety here too (Commelina erecta), but it is only in watery areas, in the water itself most of the time. I'm not sure of its exact variety though.

I've never liked cilantro flavors, not because it tastes like soap, but because it simply isn't a flavor I like at all. the only wild herb we have here that isn't commonly used are smatweeds (Polygonum sp.)

http://www.eattheweeds.com/smartweed-nature%E2%80%99s-pepper-and-pharmacy/

Only certain ones are spicy though. The thing is, the spiciness increases until it goes out of control then painful. So, you have to use it with care. A friend of mine was picking Persicaria maculosa in my garden for salad and one of the Polygonum punctatum was growing in them. She picked that instead and got lit up when she was eating it. lol

>>734318
garden phlox
honeysuckle vine
wisteria

I'm not too sure about ones that stay in bloom all summer. I always have them arranged so they bloom in stages.

>>734330
Nope. Are you?

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>>734360
Ah, I feel ya. My father absolutely hates this stuff, meanwhile my grandmother uses it in everything!

Sounds like a fun plant. The first thing I thought about was to try growing it just to 'show' the spiciness off to friends. Shows what kind of person I am!

Here's some developing passion fruit. This vine has stretched through several trees in the area, it's weird.

>10 consecutive days of snow

The ride never ends

How much space do you really need to grow enough potatoes, leafy vegetables and root vegetables to survive on? Just say I was to get all my calories from potatoes since other vegetables have negligible amounts of carbs. I'd have to eat 4kg of potatoes a day if that was my only energy source (I maintain my weight at about 3000 calories a day) . That's about 20 potatoes of the size the shop sells in my area (200 grams each). That seems like a huge amount to me.
Over 7000 potato a year... But nuts are a good source of calories too so I wonder how much do nut trees produce and how long do they take to grow large enough to produce well?
Of course at the moment I can live on cheap rice. But then the question turns to leafy greens (spinach and cabbage/kale/other brassica), root vegetables (radish, beets, carrots). Also garlic.

Any ideas for other carb sources besides regular potato? This is for a cool temperate climate. And which nut types would be most rewarding in this climate. A .

>>734557
Also i forgot to mention beans. They'd be a source of protein too. But I don't know which are the most low maintenance and suitable to a cool temperate climate.

>>734557
Walnuts will take forever to start bearing fruit, at around 15 years from seed, but optimum (~50+ kg) way beyond 50 years, you can maybe deduct a few years for special grafts

>>734557
Go down to 2000 calories a day

>>734576
Interesting then I'll look into getting some grafted trees.

>>734577
Then I will die. I'm already skinny. I would have to do nothing all day to survive on 2000. I couldn't do farm work on that.

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>>734431
;_;

>>734557
>>734558

If you have a short growing season, you need to use short season crops or use season-extending stuff like greenhouses, cold frames, hot beds, and polytunnels.

In addition to what you've listed already (sprout your beans for more nutrition):

lima beans
peas
flint corn (painted mountain variety)
peanuts
black walnut
mushrooms
wheat (needs lots of land, use as a companion plant or rotation crop)
sweet potatoes
honey bees

If you make a really nice hole for them with lots of compost and specific soil type for that type of tree and plenty of water you can get nuts in about 5 years or less. It does also depends on tree type. Same goes with fruit trees. I recommend espaliering them so you can pack more trees into a small space. Dwarf varieties will be easier to maintain the espalier.

https://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php

>>734576
>Walnuts will take forever...15 years from seed

A walnut tree near the river by my house started producing at 5 years of age. Which is exceptionally fast, but it is directly on the river bank. The walnut trees in my yard, in a section of fence line, in an area where they are not watered and have poor soil are all 20+ years old and have not produced yet. The one by the river is already massive, while those in the fence line are still pretty small.

My espaliered peace trees show the same thing. One is 4 feet from my chicken coop and in the middle of the run off area for the field above it. It gets lots of chicken crap around it. Another peach tree about 10 feet from it gets less water and less chicken crap. The one near the coop started blooming and producing fruit in ONLY is SECOND year! Amazing really. The other tree started blooming this year (6 years old) and all the others are still pretty small and have never bloomed (poor soil and poor water.) All trees are the same age and planted from seed from store fruit.

It is quite amazing what good water and good soil can do for a tree.

I want to do some vegetable gardening this year to try and supplement the vegetable portion of my diet for the better part of a year and have heard about raised beds. Are they a meme? If not I read about digging down before putting the bed in and putting some nutrients down there and filling it back up. Could I just dump an animal carcass or maybe some fish guts in the bottom and then fill it up? Anybody have some tips for a beginner?

>>734557
Mark Whatney?

>>734557
It really depends on your conditions. Wheat and Rye make excellent starches, but they won't grow on wet soil and you have to rotate them through the seasons with nitrogen fixing plants or the soil will be exhausted. Potatoes are probably the most carefree starch crop. Even carrots and peas have a lot of carbohydrates.

You'd want variety. Your appetite will reject monoculture in the garden.

You don't have to wait for the fruit to eat. Most sprouts are excellent nutrition with great taste, and they grow in a week. You can even grow lots of different kinds in the same jar. All they need is water, warmth, and light,

Add a few mushroom logs, maybe some berries. I like nuts, but they take forever and have little yield. Best use them as dividers instead of some hedge that does nothing.

Fish, chickens, or rabbits can provide superb fertilizer and supplement your diet with some meat. Chickens also control some pests. And without a rooster they won't wake the town every sunrise. Move your chickens with a mobile fence and grasses will feed them fine if you supplement with a few mealworms or grasshoppers, both of which keep themselves as long as you have a box.

Have 2 compost piles in annual rotation and suddenly your garden is organic.

Is there a cheap way to improve the drainage of a sand/clay soil?

So I tried to make planters to make up for the too-shady plot of dirt I have and apparentlyy not only does the soil I use drain terribly but also dried the fuck out of my tomatoes. Gotta start from scratch again from pots.

>>734360
Wistera only stays bloomed for a couple weeks in the spring. I live in north carolina and its EVERYWHERE here so I know.

>>734674
With a raised bed you have the option of pouring soil into the bed of a specific mix that you make if you want. You don't have to dig down when you can build up instead. It really is better to use fully composted organic matter. This is due to the possibility of pathogens for both you and the plants.

>>734774
>I'm not too sure about ones that stay in bloom all summer. I always have them arranged so they bloom in stages.

All 3 of those only bloom for a short while.

>>734772
Tomatoes need about 1 gallon of water a day per plant. Are you saying the soil drains too fast? If so, add compost to it. If you add wood chips that will help, but as they decompose in the soil they will rob it of nitrogen. A mulch on top will also help prevent moisture loss.

For soil that drains too slowly, like a clay-type soil, use sand and compost to help break it up so it will drain better. You can also put a layer of gravel in the bottom of the pots to further help it to drain. Being more broken up it won't allow standing water, but the compost will help maintain proper moisture around the roots.

Anyone have luck growing edibles indoors? Potted, obviously. Have a west facing window, but partially blocked by some neighboring buildings. Maybe some herbs or something?

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>>734583
Also, if your climate is rather cool and not supporting walnut, consider hazel (also very fatty)
Have 2 in the garden and while being small trees (you have to prune shoots from the base of the stem several times a year though if you wish to maintain a tree form, else it'll be a shrub), they produce a nice amount of nuts (never weighed but easily several kg) even despite them being a very small-fruited, ornamental cultivar (Corylus maxima 'Purpurea', has blood-red leaves in April/May which later turn green)
So if you get yourself one selected for large kernels, you could harvest much more
Don't know how long it took to first fruition though as they are around 25-30 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9OhxKlrWwc
>Everyone composts wrong
Opinions?

>>734770
Lay a perforated pipe 2' under the surface and connect it to a pump.

>>734786
Herbs will like it there. I also grow fresh sprouts every week. Spring onions grow even in water, and you can give them a haircut whenever. Anything else will take up a lot of space and only deliver one meal.

>>734786
I raise spinach, chickweed, hoary bittercress, and lambs quarter under shop lights indoors for salad greens. I've overwintered pepper plants before too and had fresh peppers in winter.

>>734786
Have at least a balcony? You can somewhat semi-cultivate potatoes like that in big pots (>=60cm height and diameter)

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>>734603
guise, it isn't stopping

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>>734892
Dafuq are you living, Siberia?
We had like 2cm of snow the whole winter (fell in one November night and melted a few hours later) and despite March having been colder than average, things are growing crazy here. Hazel pollen started flying in mid-December, cherry plums in the fields started flowering in late January, boxwood is shooting since late February and already now I have to mow the lawn twice a week
And I'm from a cool temperate oceanic climate at 50°N, still, vegetation never fully rests here

>>734833
>Lay a perforated pipe 2' under the surface and connect it to a pump.
I don't get it.

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>>734969
It isn't a joke.
It's just work.

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What's wrong with my tree?

>>735000
It seems to be severely tilted.
Have you considered a level growing surface?

>>735006
Will that help with the weird orange goo?

>>735038
The sap?

>>735000
>>735038
Mustard gas

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>>734431
>>734892

Almost out of the woods lads. Let's just hope the temps don't explode on us and fuck up the cool weather stuff.

Anyone got any tips for growing onions in the UK?

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http://eud.dx.com/product/lazy-bones-essential-plants-drinking-fountains-waterers-watering-kits-green-dark-blue-4-pcs-844329167#.Vwo4Q3pmpkt

Worth getting?

>>735086
They don't like it too wet. Other than that they should pretty much get it done without much help.

>>735086
Being from similar climate (your winters are even milder though) it should work the same, we have 3 ways to do them
- Buying pre-grown small ones and putting them in the soil in October
- As above, but setting them in spring
- From seed in spring
All have little advantages/disadvantages
Don't fertilise, and harvest when it's been dry for a while

>>734770
Sand should be good drainage
One way is to have the soil airated and then put a couple inches of top soil on

>>735257
Not at all. Make your own. Just bury the bottle a bit more,

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Drip-Irrigator-from-a-Plastic-Bottle

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>>735081
Next week is supposed to be in the 60F range here. This sucks. Maybe it will kill off pest insects at least.

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>>735299
We had -12°C last night and now the lake has a skim on ice on it
So much for spring

>>735301
>Few mosquitoes this year
>Complaining

>>735302
I want to start planting but there's still frost in the ground too

>>735303
Plant in posts inside.

>>735314
I have my pineapple pumpkin and Serrano inside but I want to plant my raspberry canes and watermelons

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anyone here have experience with growing salak palms? I know this is a very random thing to plant but I bought some salak palm fruits (they're like berries with a shell that looks like a dragon's skin) ate them and planted the seeds (after making their roots come out with wet toilet paper). they seem to be growing. but it's just literally a stick sticking out of the ground. how do I know when to water it if it has no leaves? I just sprinkle loads of water on it every 2-3 days so it's wet as hell (since palms grow in rainforests or whatever). it looks like nothing I'd ever planted in my life (I've planted hemp in my life...that's it). right now it's in a pot, and since I live in eastern europe (cold here) I won't be growing them outside in real earth and I am poor so I can't build a greenhouse.

I've googled, but most guides are for hot climates, not for people who just want to grow it indoors.

I got two pictures. one is a close up (the palm is about 4-5cm tall), the other one is what it looks like in general. next to it there's some random thing growing, it's either a lemon tree or a pepper. I don't really know.

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>>735322

this is the other pic. there's also another palm that started growing a day ago after being in the ground for like over a month (wtf). I have it circled.

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>>735323

and this is their fruit

>>735302
>no fruit on trees this year due to warm then cold

I'll complain.

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My shiitake logs are doing well, but the growth has slowed done since there snow on the ground and temps are under 50F.

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>>735337
>doing it wrong

Lads, I got some wildflower seeds from Friends of the Earth to save the beeees. Doesn't offer any planting advice (it's just a generic little bag of seeds so I don't even know what's in there). Anyone got a good general strategy for sowing them? I figure I'd just rake a bit of soil, thinly sow and cover with maybe 1.5cm of topsoil. Thoughts?

>>735354
I want peaches, cherries, mulberries, plums, and persimmons. I still have 100s of jars of applesauce and dried apples from a few years ago when there was a bumper crop.

Everything was in full bloom last week. Now ALL of the blooms are dead and won't produce fruit. My entire orchard is a failure this season. I normally get about 80 bushels of fruit.

>>735394
How tall are your trees that you can't just cover them?

>>735396
Taller than I can reach while standing in the bed of my truck with the fruit picker fully extended, on my tip-toes. Those are the old ones. Some are shorter, but getting covers over them would take all day. All the new ones are being espaliered so they can be covered.

However, frost isn't the problem right now. Everything is frozen solid. There was a thin layer of ice over my pond this morning. No amount of covering will stop that. I'd need to have 100s of smudge pots, which isn't worth it and probably wouldn't work due to it not just being frost.

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Is this a Mung bean?
The leaves don't look like a Mung bean sprout.
It's so fractally perfect. I want to draw it on parchment in ink.

>>735508
Looks like one.

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I feel sorry for anyone still dealing with snow

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>>735302
Isn't that only a problem near streams or in swamplands?
Our winters are relatively mild (worst it got last one was -7°C one January night) but worst we get in summers are moths if you have your windows open and lights on late at night
Probably helps that I'm on a hill slope about 2km away from and 100m altitude above the next stream, so water drains well.
Going for a walk with the dogs near said stream during summer evenings is deadly though, did that once a couple years back and got stung like 10 times in 10 minutes

Trying to grow some apache chillis in my window. I know I'm a couple weeks late. Just ordered some seeds. Should I just save them for next year or give it a go?

>>735608
Give it a go. Inside they won't have to fear winter.

>>735608
try, at worst you will get them a little late

>>734982
I still don't fucking get it.

>>734833
Don't trees generally re-suck most of the nutrients (NPK) in leaves back into the twigs/stem before dropping them off in winter, making the leaves mostly left with only "useless" compounds of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen?

>>735647
Also, I'm mostly composting freshly cut grass from the lawn (so with all the stuff still in here) along with (plant-based) food leftovers, tree/shrub prunings (wooded parts like thicker twigs shredded beforehand), always worked well
Just stuck a thermometer into one of the heaps for shits and giggles back in the afternoon, and it read 38°C while outside air temp was around 19°C, breddy gud IMO

>>735642
It is a covered ditch:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ditch

for drainage:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drainage

to grow plants:
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture

You can show this to your parents or caretaker:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drain

Anybody here growing tobacco? I've been wanting to take a crack at it.

>>735682
Why?
The stuff is vile. And I mean the plant.

>>735685

I love it? I want to grow my own so I can smoke some of my own stuff. It'd be interesting, I think.

>>735373
When did you get them? I remember signing up for that and haven't gotten yet

>>734833
>That long ass video starring medium-funny jew
Only made it 5 minutes in. He tries too hard to be a "relateable authority figure." Can you cliffnotes the rest for me?

>>735703
Compost shredded leaves.
Put food scraps in a worm hotel.
Hug trees, even though they can be mean.
Nobody needs to buy fertilizer.
We shouldn't landfill our leaves.
Leaf blowers are totally cool, electrical, mind you, and set to vacuum into a bag.

>>735708
Thanks

>>735686
Coincidentally i've been researching this over the past few days. I'm not a smoker but i would love to have a smoke every blue moon so i figured i'd grow a handful of leaves.
If you find a comprehensove guide on sowing, growing and curing could you post it here? I'll do the same.

I have a question for tobacco growers (if there are any). Do you shred up cured leaves and roll them into cigarettes from there? Fermenting the leaves after curing is only for pipe and cigar smoking, right?

Is wheat grass a meme?

>>735801

It's something you can grow and eat ya. Not going to turn you into mr. vegan ubermensch tho.

>>734892
we got 2inches of snow today here in Toronto

>>735780

Apparently non-fermented tobacco leaf will have a rather nasty taste of ammonia.

>>735867
Ah so fermenting is essential..... damn. Thought it was easier than that. I'm reading up on it now.
Here's a seemingly comprehensive guide to the whole growing and curing process. So far it's good.

https://growingandcuringtobacco.wordpress.com

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>>735871
>Ah so fermenting is essential..... damn.

The good news is that fermenting seems fairly simple, indeed it's even part of the curing process. Additional heat (or steam) seems to make the leaves even sweeter.

You can also use pressure to get the flavors moving around, it seems. That's where you take shredded leaf, evenly layer it, and get some weight on it. If you've ever smoked a tobacco still in this cake form, you'll know what I'm talking about.

>>735700
Signed up maybe a week or 2 ago, arrived midweek last week. I'm in the UK.

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