Homegrowmen Thread #88

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What are these tiny green things under the mint?

>>1003975
Moss?

>>1003973
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kek, it is always something, but don't worry.

>>1003961
Now I can't even remember what I posted. lol ...I like purple stuff, I have purple potatoes and purple tomatillos. I want Explosive Ember, Medusa, and Fireworks because in the past all my peppers always pointed down.

>>1003976
>>1003955

I really need to get a soil tester & pH kit, just to get a feel for what my soils are like here.

>Luster Leaf 1601 Rapitest Soil Test Kit (40 tests)
>$13.88 on amazon

Yup, time to get one. I'm not sure about the electronic ones with the probes. Though, for moisture testing potted plants those might be nice since they are less invasive and longer than a finger.

Is leaving one side shoot on a tomato plant and growing it double main stemmed a good idea?

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>>1003982
Yeah, those unusuals are very pretty. My bolivian rainbow's first leaves are behaving the same as the ember, but most online pics show them as green/dark green, so I'm not sure how it'll turn out for mine.

>>1003999
It depends on the variety. Tomato plants with small fruit like cherry tomatoes do well with multiple stems. Tomato plants with large fruit tend to do better with one stem. This is mostly because the larger fruits tend to get caught in the wrong place and are difficult to harvest. You can prevent this by trying your best to direct the stems away from each other as much as possible. For determinate varieties, you may not want to cut them since it may reduce their overall production. While stuff like indeterminate cherry tomatoes can go absolutely insane with multiple stems.

With indeterminate varieties, you can also bend the stems down into the soil for a foot or so of stem length. This will layer them without cutting them. The extra roots they make will help out a lot with the extra stems. This will ensure the stems are as long as possible later on.

When I buy my herbs in small pots at the local flower shop, they often put bits of moss (green and alive) on top of the soil.
What's the reason?

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>>1003982
>I like purple stuff
Peruvian Purple my friend.

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>>1003982
>>1004032
Also Purple Cayenne.

Question for Anons who grow their peppers in beds:
I've read a couple of times that you could, or even should plant peppers close together, not even on Youtube or some shit, even the NSMU Chile Pepper institute wrote about it that people have some success with that.
Any experiences?

>>1004034
I have a few that are a tad close/in too small of pots. I've noticed that as long as they get proper water/sun/a bit of extra nutrients to make up for the lack of roomy soil, they produce and thrive.

I've had one Thai pepper in the same damned 8 inch pot for 3 years. I reliably get fruit year-round.

Trying to figure out if I should buy erect or trailing blackberry bushes.

>>1004013
For looks and living mulch.

>>1004034
Most plants benefit from having their leaves overlap about 1-2 inches on all sides when they are mature. Planting them closer hinders them overall.

>>1004042
Blackberries don't have bush varieties. "Bush" is a misnomer. They are, "canes" and "trailing". The canes form "thickets" unless you manage them which isn't difficult. The trailing varieties need to be lifted of the ground and tied up for maximum yields. They can grow up to 40 feet long. The trailing ones have some nice thornless varieties. I find that the trailing ones are more work.

>>1004054
>Blackberries don't have bush varieties. "Bush" is a misnomer.
Yes, I realize that. And yeah, looking at thornless varieties. My yard is currently being eaten by wild thorned varieties, and the last designer blackberries I bought were a total wash. Couldn't survive the winter where the wild ones are putting up like 100 new plants from the roots reaching underground.

>>1004041
do you have to repot it every so often?

>>1004041
I always grew my peppers in pots so far and noticed the very same thing, this combined with what I've read in these articles/books made me wonder what a proper planting distance in a bed would be.
Additionally, look into Apache F1. You could grow that little hybrid in an empty pudding cup and it would still yield. It just doesn't give a fuck.

>>1004054
What kind of planting distance(s) would you recommend?

>>1004073
It probably depends on how you grow them, annual or perennial depending on your region/climate. In the latter case they can become much bigger of course and will need more space per plant

>>1004079
I grow them as annuals.

>>1004080
Maybe 30-40cm-ish apart then? If and how you prune them might have an effect too

>>1004081
Pruned ones will probably need wider distances due to bushier growth, yeah.
Thanks man.

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Had a pretty productive morning
Basil
Chives
Cucumbers
Heirloom tomatoes (germinating)
Bok choy (grows amazing up here for some reason)
Green beans


Lady is currently planting some flowers because the yearly bees have been bugging her to get going on them.

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>>1003885
>>1003955

DFW Bro here who was notching about heat and direct sunlight. Here is a picture of my 3 beds. I planted my starters 3wks ago, this is compost soil. Do you think I should just leave them be in my 3hr sunlight area or should I start today, digging them up and moving my bed? I don't how well the seedlings will take it or how far the roots extend. If I can get a rootball and neatly transfer them then over that would be easy.

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>planting onions & potatoes
>hear another swarm nearby
>swarm is high in a mulberry tree

I set out as many hive bodies as I could find old frames to put in them (even a super). Now there's 4 of them around the yard with honey drizzled in them. Hopefully, this swarm will come down and pick one.

>>1004117
Looking good. Is that a porch on top of a roof?

>>1004198
I would actually move every other one, giving the remaining plants more space to grow. Then you will have 2 areas with the same plants and you'll be able to see first hand which is better for what plant.

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I think the potato box I forgot about last month has spawned some sort of eldritch tentacle monster. I went ahead and planted all of the longer sprouts. I'm surprised they lasted long enough to grow that tall.

>>1004203
spooky

What are some plants with ornamental and food value, like blueberries? It doesn't just have to be lawn stuff, either.

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>>1004244
NuMex Twilight
Bolivian Rainbow
Chilly Chili
Aji Omnicolor

Ornamental peppers, son.

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>>1004244
>>1004263
Peppers in general.
>Them colours

>>1004203

nigga get the gasoline and a match you can try again next year

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>>1004244
Miniature cherry trees in pots.

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It's that time of year again boys

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>>1004244
Probably not for everyone, but I like the simple look of cranberry plants. And how their leaves get red in fall.

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>>1004282
Waking up!

>>1004282
I need to get some carni plants some day again.

>>1004282
Heh, you might be better of in the /an/ plant thread, as much as /hgm/ is sometimes a Capsicum general, /an/ plant is always a Dionaea general

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>>1004202
>Looking good. Is that a porch on top of a roof?


Yea I got a pretty sick roof deck which make living in a city much more tolerable

The only issue with growing up here is that it gets blasted with sun for 10 hours a day

>>1004244
I'm trying Goji berries this year. I didn't know they were perennial until I saw them in a garden shop.

>>1004244
There's a lot of herbs useful in the kitchen that also look nice in beds, like laurel, thyme, oregano, rosemary etc

>>1004244
Any vine plant can look nice climbing up a trellis.

>>1004303
>roof deck

Those should be required.

>sun

Potted cedar.

>>1004321
From what I've read a couple places, you should keep them inside and overwinter their first year. I'm still researching them. I have 5 I'm growing from seed I got from dehydrated berries from the grocery store.

>>1004349
exception: smilax bona-nox

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Putting some new friends out to harden

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Awesome results!

How many times should i top chilli plants?

>>1004546
that's cool. How did you get started with tissue culture? I'm a medical student so have cultured lots of bacteria but never plants

>>1004589
Once should be enough.
But generally, as often as you want them to split there.

>>1004546
Species?
Homemade medium?

I have a big compost pile that I recently finished adding to. I put the cat litter in it so I was planning to use for next year. I just noticed a shit load of little squash sprouting out of the pile.

So what exactly is the danger of using compost with cat litter in it that hasn't spent over a year breaking down? Is it just direct contact with the shit that caused contamination? Would the vines be safe if they grow away from the pile? Or do I have to worry about something actually getting in the plant?

I also know the cats are parasite free from recent vet checks.

>>1004674
>cat litter

Most cat litter is clay based which isn't good for the garden and most cat litter has chemicals in it that help remove orders or help with clumping etc that are not good for the garden.

I would move the volunteer seedlings to proper soil. E.Coli is the biggest concern with raw feces especially from cat litter. Second is the drainage within the pile. Squash, gourds, pumpkins, etc all like super rich soil but they also like well draining soil. Unless you compost pile is 3 feet high (giving it a tall water column), it won't drain properly. The leaves will most likely yellow over time and the plant will do poorer starting out. Other concerns are miscellaneous pathogens that affect the plant itself from raw compost. You may get away with this sort of thing for years and 9 times out of 10 be fine, but it only takes 1 time to really wreck your health.

For some people, it is very difficult to keep cats out of their gardens. Just do the best you can, but don't put cat litter in your compost. I move volunteers out of my hot compost all the time. I plant in my mid-range compost that is 6 months old and 2-3 feet high. I don't toss in meats, bones, or predator feces.

>>1004697
>chemicals in it that help remove odors

fixes

>>1004674
So squash and brassicas are pretty hearty when it comes to fertilizer. Many people will plant pumpkins right in their compost. You'd have to wait and see if your carnivore poop harms or helps it.

Carnivores/omnivores eat way more junk than herbivores do, so the resulting waste is less garden-friendly in chemical makeup. It's way more acidic (dogs and cats more than people, I believe). If hot composted for a year, it will be harmless regardless of source. The key here is HOT composting -- If it doesn't get hot enough to kill the bacteria/fungi/parasites it won't get hot enough to break down the acidic waste in general.

If your cat isn't sick and if you're not a pregnant/immuno-deficient person, give it a go and see the doctor if you start matching WebMD's toxoplasmosis symptoms.

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This weed has grown incredibly fast. What is it?

On second thought, >>1004697 might have the right idea.

>>1004697
>>1004705

Thanks for that. I have a garden going so I don't need to risk it. I'll try moving some and flip the pile again. The cat litter is sawdust and pile is probably over 2 feet, btw.

>>1004707
While I'm at it, what's the other plants in it? I recognize the chickweed, but I don't know what the plants are in the lower left (but they're very common and have small white flowers) or the seedling with leaves in sets of three underneath the big plant.

Zone 7A.

>>1004707
Uh... stinging nettle? Does it have fine hairs that irritate the skin?

>>1004707

why can't scientists learn how to use their powers for good and use the weeds grow fast on food instead of just making everything poison

>>1004731
They did. Haven't you ever heard of the Green Revolution? You should have, since it's the reason that you no longer need to worry about dying of starvation if there's a bad winter.

But there's only so fast that food plants can grow, because growing isn't their only job, they also have to devote a lot of energy to building the parts that we eat.

>>1004718
I don't know, I haven't touched it.

Now I'm not sure if I should.

>>1004718
Doesn't look like it to me.

>>1004744
Take a look at the stem, the hairs are pretty distinctive there.

>>1004709
>sawdust

That's much better. Just compost it until it is soil and it will be fine.

>>1004707
>>1004712
Not sure about the large one. Looks like tons of chickweed. Maybe some poison oak or a very young virginia creeper sprout, but doubt its v.creeper since there's still only 3 leaves. Might be some sour grass in there too.

>>1004736
>>1004731
Most common weeds are actually old cultivars of disused ancient garden crops. As people expanded around the world they brought them along then later abandoned using them for tastier less nutritious alternatives. Most leafy green veggies are great for making sprouts. That is the absolute fastest way you can eat a crop that isn't just a seed.

As far as the speed they need to grow, you really only need to use succession planting, polyculture, and include greenhouses and polytunnels on your farm. Then you will harvest food year round regardless of the weather.

>>1004801
>less nutritious
What historical evidence do you have that this is categorically true?

So I want to have a blackberry plant but I forgot to buy blackberry sees this morning. Can I just stick a store-bought blackberry in a pot with some planting soil?

>>1004855
yes

>>1004855
A store-bought blackberry is like 50 seeds. Separate, clean, plant, nurture, wait.

I ordered some passion fruit seeds on a whim. I couldn't find any of the fruit in stores.

Any tips for germination? I read acidic soil helps.

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This seems like the right thread to ask, I found this plant growing in the back corner of the house I just moved in to, what the fuck is it? Because it looks like pot.

>>1004894
Looks more like horseweed or something like that

>>1004879
My experience growing passion fruit has been pretty good: all seeds germinate almost immediately and they grow well without any special care. Really easy plant to grow, and really rewarding if you can grow it outside (it doesn't have much of a problem with mild winters) and get your own homegrown passion fruit in a temperate climate.

>>1004894
Horseweed or American Burnweed. Smell test and location in the world can confirm burnweed easily enough.

>looks like pot.

It doesn't even remotely look like pot.

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>>1004808
You should actually just look up and compare the nutrition data for wild versus domestic foods on this website (responsible for food nutrition labels in the USA):

http://nutritiondata.self.com/

>this image

Note that some parts are missing which have not been tested and added to the database when this image was made (2015). Also, note that at that time there was no "Raw" listing for Lamb's Quarter which will greatly affect its nutritional values and sodium levels (Lambs quarters, cooked, boiled, drained, with salt). To get info on it raw, someone has to pay to have it tested and put into the database.

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>>1004990
Now compare salad greens. Wild versus store (though in some stores you can now get dandelion greens!)

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>>1004991
>>1004990

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>>1004993
>tfw all my Yukon Gold potatoes didn't make it through the winter, but all my purple potatoes did make it and are coming on as a bumper crop.

>>1004990
You're missing the point. Comparing modern food (where the green revolution made the tradeoff of production and caloric content over nutrition and taste) to food that hasn't been optimized doesn't show anything conclusive. The only way you could absolutely prove your statement is by comparing the versions of the weeds in cultivation at the time to the versions of the modern crops that were in cultivation at the time. I suppose that's kind of impossible since humans finished spreading around the world 13000 years ago. But you could at least make a decent argument for it if you used wild (weedy) or even heirloom versions of modern crops. I would legitimately be interested to see if this is a trend in the human migration/settlement pattern.

>>1004894
Looks like horseweed to me too. Could be something else in asteraceae though, maybe even a kind of wormwood. Don't eat it, anyway.

>>1004999
These 3 posts are mine >>1004990 >>1004991 >>1004993 and the last one with the image shows exactly what you arr referring to. The first post says you need to look this stuff up yourself and gives you a way to do it. I can't post the other links, the spam filter won't allow it.

Also, you are moving goalposts or you misread >>1004801 The word "cultivar" means "a plant variety that has been produced in cultivation by selective breeding." Meaning I'm talking about plants that are now weeds that were once cultivated by humans which have been replaced by new cultivars. The only reason those old cultivars are so prolific around the world is because they were a food crop and spread around for that purpose.

>>1005005
>the last one with the image shows exactly what you arr referring to
It mostly compares the modern grocery store cultivars to wild or heirloom versions, rather than comparing currently cultivated species to ancient crops. I guess dandelions and crabapples kind of count, though both are still in cultivation in some places anyway and of those two, only one is a weed.

>>1004993
>Compares one single nutrient

Quite a misleading graph.

>>1005017
Lambs quarter is one.

>>1005027
One what? What are you trying to say?

>>1005022
It's also per unit mass or volume, so not as relevant for these purposes as if it were per hectare.

>>1005032
>One what? What are you trying to say?

It was a popular cultivated plant and has many cultivars. Now it is a weed. Only in the last 10 years has it started to have a resurgence in popularity as a cultivated farm crop.

>so not as relevant for these purposes as if it were per hectare.

That wouldn't even make sense.

>>1005057
>It was a popular cultivated plant
Okay, now how does that relate to the post you're responding to?

>That wouldn't even make sense.
We're talking specifically about cultivation. How much nutrition you get is determined by how much food you get total, not how much it weighs.

>>1004993
>TFW the entirety of agriculture has been about growing bigger, sweeter crops
>TFW all it's actually done is intensify the issue of malnutrition

>>1005063
Agriculture today is about producing crops with a longer shelf life for supermarket sale, taste and nutrition don't have much to do with it.

>>1004917
That's good. From what I read it sounded like the same difficulty to get an avocado seed going. I should have thought of this a month ago. I'm going to have to try some in bucket and trellis in case I have to bring them in.

>>1005061
No we were talking about how nutritious the vegetable is when compared to older varieties. That is done by weight/mass comparison, not land area or crop density. Those are a completely different topic.

>>1005074
Tell that to the red delicious apple cultivar.

>>1005093
>we were talking about how nutritious the vegetable is when compared to older varieties.
I was talking about the assertion that people discontinued the cultivation of older vegetables in favor of less nutritious ones. You could look at that in terms of nutrition per unit mass, but it makes more sense to consider it in terms of actual nutritional output. Since it's an issue of societies and cultures, it makes sense to compare it at a societal level rather than using a metric that's appropriate chiefly for personal nutrition.

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>>1005095
Not really since there's always been a surplus of food in the world. The problem is logistics for getting the food to the people and people actually caring about other people. There's plenty of land for crops that don't yield very well.

And, yes, they discontinued the older cultivars because tastier cultivars are more well liked. They didn't do that because of nutrition. The did it for taste and/or looks. That is why the red delicious apple was once a favorite until it started to taste too bitter and less sweet. Now it is in decline. The ironic thing about that is that it was selected for looks, which consistently increased its nutritional value. But, people don't like the flavors that come with that so they switch to sweeter apples. The process is now repeating in other apple cultivars. The growers are selecting them for looks, they are increasing in nutrition as a result and the populace is starting to dislike them. It is an odd cycle. People want a bright red apple and a sweet taste with good flavor, but you can't have both.

>>1005074
lol by far the most retarded thing i have ever read

it's literally the exact opposite because if your product is sitting on shelves, its not selling, and it's probably not selling because it tastes bad or is bad for you.

your company isnt going to last very long if your products are just sitting on shelves getting old.


besides shelf life is almost a thing of the past with all the advanced pasteurization and sterile packaging techniques there are today. Like HPP for example

>>1005107
>there's always been a surplus of food in the world
Then why did the population only explode after the green revolution? This isn't even agriculture or sociology any more, this is just basic fucking ecology.

>>1005205
I wrote a big thing about how this is incorrect, but realized I wasn't on /pol/. We should drop this in homegrowmen threads. Nothing good will come of it.

>>1005225
>/pol/
It would be /his/ anyway.

>>1004801
>As people expanded around the world they brought them along then later abandoned using them for tastier less nutritious alternatives.

>>1005107
>that it was selected for looks, which consistently increased its nutritional value
>The growers are selecting them for looks, they are increasing in nutrition as a result

How so?
I fail to see how these features are anything but contingent. I get how nutritional value (minus sugar) may not be actively selected (versus good-looking or specific sugar rate by example), but that doesn't mean this feature automatically disappear. Plus, there are a lot of nutritional variables, why they would all act the same way?
Are there documented systematic inverse correlations between sugar rate and the other general nutritional values (vitamins, minerals, proteins, fat, pigments, etc.) for common fruits and vegetables, or comparing varieties of the same species (I mean : not dandelion VS lettuce, but differences between current lettuce varieties, or old and current ones)?

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what the fuck, i've been having slight trouble with my blueberries and it looks like it could be because my city water is literally the worst fucking water you could irrigate blueberries with.

Basically, ALL the values for my water are quite out of the range for suggested values in this picture .

My values are
EC 0.001mmohs (1010umohs)
TDS 651
ph probably 6-7 (not sure)
Bicarbonate 295 WHAT THE FUCK
Boron .13
Chloride 94
Sodium 98


Am i over reacting or what? I'm sort of angry because i thought the problem was my soil and that was an easy fix, but since i stopped adding vinegar to the water the plants have been slowly getting more yellow.

I really dont think constantly treating my water is realistic.

>>1005267
Get a rain barrel or two?

fuck this convo man all i want are ripe supermarket pineapples and charantais melons sold fresh this convo isnt helping

2nd pineapple guy here, ec zone 7a/b for future ref since ive been lurking more and more. the gardens getting back into swing but all you need to know is:

-started hardening off pineapple early during warm spell and its a yellow-green mess, looks like shit but not worried
-ordered a roll of irt-76 last year for some muskmelon vines but never used it, soil temps looking good and im pumped for some charantais
-alpine strawberries made it through winter, im not dividing them in hopes of getting a nice handful this year
-im tired of the fucking squash vine borers, trying mosquito netting this year
-renovating the gardenbeds rewarded me with 3 black walnut seedlings the squirrels forgot, i hate tossing shit out so now they compliment the avocado sapling
-swiss chard looks so beastly on its 2nd year, surprising how much the root fills out
-similar to the other anon, some purple potatoes planted(outside the gardenbed) last spring overwintered and are looking great 1 month in. what the fuck nature
-borage, parsley root, and husk cherry are established re-seeders at this point, want to expand that group with dill for the swallowtails
-picking a smart place to put hellebores fucking sucks. perennial flower placement usually kills me but hellebores are a league of their own, blazing stars and black-eyed susans were much easier

my stuff is p.consistent at this point, typical perennial herbs and seed starting routine for seasons to the point where its kinda boring. home gardening is always interesting/gratifying but the true pull is growing shit youve never seen in person

>>1005270
nah i live in san diego area where it doesnt rain.

or maybe you ment fill up rain barrels and treat a large amount of water ahead of time. that would work, good idea!

>>1005157
>>1005157
Don't take things so literally you mong - long shelf life means food can be grown during one part of the year and then left in cold storage and sold year round.

my little mango tree has since a couple of days those darkish spots on two of its leaves.
i suspect that its athracnose.
it might be that it just needs a bigger pot or fertilizer though too, however, i want to make sure that its nothing serious.

can anyone help me with this?
Pics of mango in the below imgur link:
http://imgur.com/a/wpBY6

>>1004198
Okra needs as much sun as possible, if its too shady they will only grow small

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>>1003951
Day 8. It's really taking off now.

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>>1005255
It is selective breeding. Yes, old lettuce varieties are more bitter and have more nutrients than modern ones. Originally, it was a medicinal plant and psychotropic used in rituals. Now it is just a crunchy watery salad green. If you want higher nutrient cultivars you'll need to get the older heirlooms. The ones with color are the best and are now making a strong return in stores.

It is really nice seeing more nutritious varieties of veggies in the stores one. In the 1980s and 1990s the selection was almost nothing at all. It seems the information age has helped with awareness. More people are growing their own food, nutritional value is being looked at more, and people are able to find more rare cultivars online and grow those.

>>1005267
Yeah, most treated municipal water is really bad for crops. You may want to look into making a solar still. It will evaporate the water off, leaving most everything else behind. It is passive, so all you'd need to do is fill it up then empty the side that collects the condensation. You'd essentially be making rain water.

>>1005280
>ripe supermarket pineapples

I had those, in the 1980s. They don't exist here anymore. I had to grow my own to bliss out on nostalgia.

>vine borers

I want to try to develop a non-toxic white wash paint to paint the stems.

>>1005381
Yeah, that looks like athracnose. Make sure it has well draining soil. That is the biggest thing. Putting it outside in the sun and wind will also help. Keep it out of the rain and don't water the leaves. This sort of thing happens when it is humid and rainy. There are various treatments, just google. The best thing is prevention by restricted watering/drainage and environment.

>>1005483
>lettuce
>psychotropic
nope

>>1005267
Is it the kind of stuff that can be removed with a water filter/purifier?
You can buy systems that you hook up to your water line so that it filters all the water coming into your house.

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i'm looking for advice on Jasmine plants.
I live in Barcelona where I own a terrace with extremely high sun input. I'm talking about my jade plant getting red tinge and my senecio rowleyanus got sunburned by just a day outside.

Can a Jasmine thrive in these conditions? Right now I know where to buy spanish jasmine (J. grandiflorum) and confederate jasmine (trachelospermum). Does anyone here own any of these or have inputs on the differences?

The flowering and scent would be really nice but as you can see I suck at taking care of plants (almost killed a jade plant and a senecio) so keeping it alive is a top priority.

My swiss chard is fairly large now but keeps flopping over

Will adding more soil or mulch around them help keep them upright?

>>1005496
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactuca_virosa

>>1005567
Meh, I've had a Dracaena get sunburned by 2 hours of the weak German early February sun before - many plants are super sensitive against the tiniest bit of UV if they've been standing inside for too long
For Jasmine, they're mostly (sub)tropical plants from places where the sun is even stronger and it's often 50+ (Arabia, Pakistan...), so they should easily do

>>1005483
>cabbage and raddish not next to each other
How exactly did these things get defined and arranged?

>>1005567
If it hadn't been just a day, the time outside might have been fine. Plants grow leaves appropriate to the amount of sun that they've been getting, so your plant might be burned and then (as long as it doesn't die) come back with new leaves that are just fine.

Anyway Jasmine likes the sun, it should be fine.

>>1004383
>Potted cedar.


if i put cedar chips on top of the soil and lined the inner potting soil chips will it have the same effect?

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>>1005578
My rhubarb chard has the same problem. I'm curious to know why but if the situation bothers you, the easiest way would just be to stake it.

>>1005592
gonna grow me this shit

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This seems to be the right thread for this. Last year I tried my first herb garden. it failed spectacularly. I overwatered, I didn't read into what plants I was growing to see if they preferred heavy sun or heavy shade, basically I went in blind. This year I am starting over and pulled my planters out that I used last year, but this one has something growing in it. Everyone I've asked says "It's just a weed", but I doubt it is since these same people look at wild onions and say they're just weeds. What do you guys think?

Sorry for shitty quality picture, crappy phone is all I got.

>>1005619
I ....um.......no. You plant cedar trees in large pots to block the afternoon/evening sun so you can chill on the roof.

>>1005725
dude it looks like weed.

>>1005622
>>1005578
I just eat the bottom leaves before they have a chance to flop around on the ground.

>>1005616
I don't think there's any scheme to their arrangement. There doesn't seem to be a need either.

>>1005725
Crush a leaf and smell it.

>>1005725
Looks like it could be a mint. Roll the stems between your fingers. Are they round or square? If square then even if it's not a true mint, it's in the right family and you can use it for seasoning and mojitos. Also try tasting it. If it's bitter and acrid, with milky white sap, probably in asteraceae and might be somewhat poisonous, so just get rid of it. If it's not in one of those two groups, probably just a weed which you can eat if you like but it's probably not yummy.

>>1005746
thats not mint are you fucking blind

>>1005748
It's not the mint you'd normally buy, but it looks like something related, at least as much as I can tell from the picture. There's a reason I told him to test it rather than just making an assumption.

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Whats wrong with this potato plant?

>>1005737
ooooh im a dumbass i thought you meant use ceder pots for the planting.


i gotcha now.

>>1005826
Has it been wet lately? If yes then it might be blight (Phytophthora infestans) in which case you're pretty much fucked

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Can anyone identify this? I checked everywhere I could and nothing seemed to match. It looks a lot like a false Virginia creeper except for this one only has 3 leaves instead of 5 and I think the flowers are different

Location is northern Kentucky

>>1005616

Looks alphabetical and then they just slapped Cukes on at the end.

>>1005856
Further searching says that this is Aruncus dioicus, also know as bride's feathers

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>>1003973
Hop growing anon here. I just finished building a trellis!

It's about 8 feet tall. I'm a bit nervous about the stability if I get strong enough wind but otherwise it should hold.

Excited to see what it will look like in August with all of the hops.

>>1005969
If I didn't know it was for vine plants I'd say it was over engineered. lol

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can anyone identify these two trees?

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and this one, thank you!

City dweller here. Thinking of hanging a pot on my window grill to grow a little basil or other herbs, but i can't seem to find one with quite the right dimensions. Is it possible/advisable to repurpose other containers or otherwise DIY it?

>>1005969
Now you need to paint it red.

>>1006089
Pretty much any container will do, just need to have holes in the bottom so water can drain out

Thinking of buying some seeds on amazon, but almost every single review section is filled with "nothing grows".

Is it just retards? Or does buying seeds online not work?

>>1006127
I buy seeds on eBay all the time and it's worked fine, it's most likely just retards who either don't read instructions or expect germination in under 24 hours.

>>1006137
>I buy seeds on eBay all the time and it's worked fine
>>1006127

I also buy seeds on ebay and they are always good.

>>1006127
People are morons. I buy seeds online all the time and they grow just fine. I sow mine directly into the dirt, water, and cover if it looks like it will freeze. Very rarely do I have something fail to germinate.

You might try the Sample Seed Shop, they have good heirloom seeds (mostly) for cheap. Sucky web design, but what can you do. http://www.sampleseeds.com

>>1005969
Nice work.

I've narrowed the options for the plant in my yard down to either eastern black nightshade, the ripe berries of which are safe, or American black nightshade, the toxicity of which is apparently all over the place depending on the strain and growing conditions, and so not generally considered safe.

Does anyone know of any major differences between the two nightshades that I could use to identify which one mine is?

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>>1006170
eat the berries

Hello, I am using tap water for my plants but I noticed that my plants get SO much happier after it rains.
Should I be using distilled water from my dryer?

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>>1006170
>American black nightshade

Do you live in its range? Like Texas or related? I eat EBN berries every year in baked goods like cookies and muffins. Identification between the cultivars is something you have to sit down and do lots of research online. Try to keep away from blog articles, 99% of the people there have no clue what they are talking about.

The way I harvest is to harvest the ripe fruit then leave it on a plate in the sun for a few days so it ripens further. They are like tomatoes in that respect that they ripen off the vine. Anything with a hint of green gets tossed. You'll know when it is ripe when you eat one. It'll be a delicate flavor though. The ones that are ripe-looking but not yet 100% ripe will taste "green" and slightly bitter.

If you are going to use them for baked goods you can simply sun dry them and you'll know that they are 100% ripe. I find that they are best in baked goods that have very light flavor using white flour, white sugar, and little to no spices at all.

If you want to eat these type of berries and don't want to eat the "wild" cultivars, you can simply grow the modern garden cultivars like, "Garden Huckleberry." It will have larger berries and higher yields too.

>pics from last year's crop

>>1006201
They may get deeper waterings with rain or the barometric pressure changes and lightning(if any) could be triggering extra growth. I've noticed the same thing and they grow best during lightning storms. It is quite amazing.

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>>1005969
>I'm a bit nervous about the stability if I get strong enough wind

Why not add some additional support like pic related?

>>1006127
It's retards. See amazon reviews on pretty much anything.
>>1006137
>>1006141
Thirding this. Ebay is great for seeds.

Does anybody know when onionseeds start sprouting out from the ground? It's been 2 weeks since I planted them and still no sign of life. Is it fucked or should i wait a little longer?

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I want to some edible/useful plants along a fence or as the fence themselves. However, I also would like the plants to be thorny or generally annoying to touch to deter any potential thieves.

What plants would fulfill both niches?

>>1006247

Black berrys (like in your pic)
Wild roses (they produce a fruit called rosehips)

>>1006213
>Do you live in its range? Like Texas or related?
Yeah, I live in the Houston area.
I've tried looking online but I can't seem to find any meaningful differences between the two types aside from berry toxicity.

Where does EBN usually grow wild?

These threads are always pretty dead.
I imagine its alot better around august when everyone is harvesting?

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The beds are ready, the plants are ready, just waiting for you, weather....

>>1005473
Interesting. Keep the progress pics coming.

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>>1006296
>>998740
Progress over the last two weeks. Started to fertilize them now. Was like hitting the nitrous button on them. Can't wait to finally put them outside.


>>1006294
This is the 3rd thread in two weeks, I would hardly call them dead. Why don't you show us your projects too?

>>1006294
stuff is growing, I could post pictures but what's the point. It's just a waiting game at this point and praying it doesn't freeze/hail

I have a potato question. I was thinking of planting a potato crop in my back yard this year just to give it a shot. Namely how do they interact with evergreens? Most of the trees in my back yard are evergreens and I know they like to mess around with soil acidity.

>>1004198
Watermelon is gonna overtake your spot. Nice anon, and good luck.
I got my plants in grpund 2 weeks ago, but we just had record rain and a cold.spell.hopw they dont die...illinois

>>1006294
/out/ is generally a slow board, I think.

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the mimosa pudicas that i planted are having some troubles.
i planted them the 20th of march and i kept them outside on a lot of sun, moist and covered on a plastic wrap with a few holes.
Now I want to expose them to REAL LIFE.
How can I improve?
Why are they so shitty?

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>>1006332
wait thats the same pot twice

>>1004600
This is morel mycelium, not plant tissue. I would absolutely love to get into growing plant tissue though. I love how it looks like gnarled masses of tissue with leaves poking out.

>>1004638
Morchella importuna, a saprobic black morel species that grows in bark mulch.
The media is not home-formulated, it is standard potato dextrose agar. A nice nutrient rich medium that works well for fungi.
In the past I have made dog food based agar, and had good results.

These plates are the equivalent of two mushrooms deciding they don't approve of incest. They are two incompatible sister strains that refuse to fuse because of their genetics.
Also, mycologist anon checking in. AMA.

I germinated my cabbage plants inside for two weeks, but when I planted them outside they died instantly. What am I doing wrong?

>>1006359
You didn't harden them off.

>>1006336
You coddled them too much, now they'll never leave the nest go out into the world on their own.

>>1006362
srs?

>>1006254
>Where does EBN usually grow wild?

http://bonap.net/NAPA/TaxonMaps/Genus/County/Solanum

I'm sure this will clear up your identification problems by simplifying the list of species (sarcasm). lol

>>1006231
Seconding this.

>>1006243
2-3 weeks depending on moisture, depth, soil temps, and cultivar. Wait longer. Normally, you start those inside 2 months before the last frost or 2 months before the first frost. They have a rather long grow time which is why most people plant bulb starts instead.

>>1006247
Stinging Nettles are edible and delicious. They are also a bane to anyone touching them without gloves.

>>1006294
I'm not even sure what you are talking about. Perhaps /b/ is more your speed?

>>1006298
>impending pepper armageddon

Good luck!

>>1006305
Decomposing organic material is what changes the pH, not the fact that they are evergreens. The same thing happens with all humus leaf litter. The potatoes just need well draining soil and they will do fine.

>>1006331
This. The oldest post on the board is 3 days 9 hours old.

>>1006342
>dog food based agar

*takes notes*

>>1004198
Zucchini and squash and watermelon. also can get massive I'd watch 6 through 9

>>1006332
>>1006336
Too wet.

>>1006359
Yeah, hardening off your plants when you take them outside is extremely important. Otherwise, they will sun scaled, damping off, or have many other problems.

>>1006366
Thanks. (potato guy again) I was wondering if it would be wise to plant them in raised mounds then for drainage purposes?

>>1006371
Thanks. Imma go get the hair dryer

>>1006375
Please don't burn your plants.

>>1006379
how do you un-wet a soil?

>>1006374
Yes.

>>1006375
lol

Can I make a compost bin without using one of those giant turnable ones? I have an unused tub (no lid). Does it need a lid ect?

>>1006381
Don't water for a few days. Might want to check your plants for rot at the roots as well.

>>1006398
how do i do that? how do i fix that?

>>1006243
I sowed some in February which took forever (like 4-5 weeks) to show up, and are still tiny right now

>>1006394
You don't even need a bin. Those turning ones are designed to get the heat up inside to ridiculous levels to sanitize the compost using microbe and solar heat sources. Long term composting allows normal outdoor temps and open air.

>>1006404
Simply don't water them until the soil is dry down to about the second knuckle on your finger. Or, half that if you are using a very shallow container like a seed starter tray.

I would like to get into growing algae both for fun but also for supplements both for myself and my plants. Problem is I have no idea where to get the algae samples that I am going to need.

Any suggestions?

I got everything else covered but that is the thing that is causing me problems.

>>1006507
Theres a guy on this board who does that. Hopefully hell see your posts.

>>1006507
Scrape it from the surface of your local pond.

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>>1006507

Carolina biological keeps a wide variety of algae samples. It's where I get mine.

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>>1006510

And you need algae food. It's called F/2, you can get that off amazon. It comes in two parts- A and B.

>>1006366
Yeah man, DFA is the shit. Pretty much just dog food, sugar, and agar. Dog food comes supplemented with a whole ton of nutrients, so those bases are covered.

>>1006298
Do you plan to put them all in the ground? Anyway there's no need to fall for the "Eisheiligen" meme unless you live in Brandenburg or so (in my area, near the Rhine, the last time it froze in May was in the 1950s), the later you move them out the more you have to take care of sun scald so you might do more damage than good by keeping them inside too long
I already planted out most of mine in late March and they still got heavily burned back then, now with the stronger sun you have to be even more careful hardening them, and I suppose gradually moving out 50+ plants for more and more hours every day will be a pain

Are the stink bugs destroying my garden edible?

The ones that smell like green apple jolly ranchers are particularly attractive

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>>1006540
I'm already familiar with using it for feeder insects. This just add one more excellent use that I'll need later on when the spring planting is done.

>>1006560
Most stink bugs are destructive to gardens. Kill them on sight. Make sure you are killing the correct bug.

>>1006560
>edible

No.

>>1006556
>Do you plan to put them all in the ground?
Not all of them, some stay in pots and some will be in an entirely different place. i want to see where they grow best.

>Anyway there's no need to fall for the "Eisheiligen" meme unless you live in Brandenburg or so.
Somewhat south, Thuringia. I'm not sure if the ones in the pots would make it already. We had a few damn cold nights lately.

>I already planted out most of mine in late March and they still got heavily burned back then
They are under a roof window to the south so they get sun all day + UV light.

> I suppose gradually moving out 50+ plants for more and more hours every day will be a pain
There is a balcony only two rooms down the hall so it's not too bad. Especially since they are all in that big box or on tablets, etc. For now I started to open two windows over the day and have them sit in a gradually colder, drafty room.

But it's good to know that they probably could get out already. Thanks.

Noticed some rabbits around the garden.

Will smearing a mixture of peanut butter and cayenne nearby keep them away from my seedlings?

>>1005592
It's related to common lettuce, that doesn't mean common lettuce was derived from L. virosa.

Do you guys kill your broccoli after your first big crown harvest? I can't see doing that-- some obviously aren't going to thrive if they're late-season, but I have plants that gave me side shoots almost as big and another set after that half the size. Seems a waste to scrap a plant that takes that long to grow after you yank the very end off.

I started some seeds, but the soil mixture I used ends up turning into mud when it gets really wet. Should I just start over?

>Dirt turns to mud when it gets really wet
? ? ? ? ?

>>1006583
No. A fence will.

>>1006592
Lactuca is the entire lettuce genus. There's like over 50 species. L. virosa is just one and yes, it really is a lettuce. Yes, ancient lettuces were originally psychotropic which is why ancient Europeans & ancient Egyptians used them in rituals and medicine. (L. virosa was not one of them, native Americans used that in their rituals.) All they need is "Lactucarium" which many lettuces have around the world.

>>1006598
You can eat the leaves too. Try Early Purple Sprouting Broccoli. It forms smaller heads all over the place that you can harvest all season.

>>1006606
That is probably very clay based. Add sand and organic matter like compost.

>>1006609
Loamy garden soil doesn't turn to mud when it gets wet.

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>>1004198
DFW Bro here with weekly update. Everything still going. Okra, beans, zucchini, watermelon, peppers, and tomatoes show signs of growth. Squash and cucumbers are kinda slow. Also notice a lightening of the green in the leaves. I think I will pick up 10-10-10 fert from the feed store and apply. I just don't know if I should be careful with application since these beds are 100% compost.

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>>1006688
>>1006688
I checked some sun charts and will have to take a look at it in person but I'm still contemplating either moving these or building more beds over in a sunnier part of the yard. Even that section has only about 6 or 7 hours of light. Depends on how steep the sun angle is. I'm out from the trees but then deal with a fence.

Bonus: Have some cucumbers or squash going. Fuck me for remembering who's who. I know one of them for sure is a straight 8 cucumber

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>>1006579
Ah, so they're already getting some exposure then, which is also important for wind

I only keep 3 potted which I plan to overwinter later (for better crop in the 2nd year), and 3x6 in the ground as annuals. Somehow the Cayennes reacted much more sensitively to the sun than the bell varieties

>>1003973
Can I /hugel/ with bamboo? I want to grow salad mix and possibly giant novelty onions.

>>1006794
If you plant bamboo in your yard, you will never, ever be able to get rid of it.

>>1006796
The idea is to bury dead bamboo sideways so that it rots over a couple of years. I didn't consider the fact that they might germinate, though. That's not a pleasant thought.

>>1006231
>>1006366

Thanks anons. What would be the best way to secure those support beams to the main frame?

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>>1005473

>>1006296
>Interesting. Keep the progress pics coming.

Day 10.

Can /out/ help me? Which online shop that
>have reliable seeds
>ship internationally
>reasonable price
Would love suggestions.
Particularly looking for common culinary herbs, German chamomile, the spearmint and peppermint, and English Lavender seeds

>>1006826
if you look up, there are some people saying ebbay works fine.

Looking for some advice. My pepper plants were getting to large both for their pots and to keep inside, so I decided to plant half of them outside (one each of a jalapeno, habanero, and a Hungarian hot block). The weather had been in the 70s/80s for about a week.

Then I look at the forecast and see 40s/50s, clouds, and rain for the next week and a half.

I built a makeshift row cover for the plants, and I've been filling up empty milk jugs with hot water to give them some extra warmth a couple times a day.

Will that be enough to keep them alive until the warm weather rolls in, or are they just fucked?

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>>1006831
Pic related, my peppers' fortress of solitude.

>>1006799
I use bamboo as tomato stakes all the time. I just cut down the ones that are turning grey, knowing they are completely dead. If your bamboo is grey and/or splitting then it is dead.

>>1006810
Pre-drill the holes then use woodscrews.

>>1006831
>>1006835
I use a polytunnel when things look cold, but all my peppers are hardened off so the 40F-50F temps don't bother them. Only the pineapple plants remain under cover. What you are doing will work fine. Just don't let them get too hot during the day.

>>1006831
>>1006835
If the temperature doesn't drop to frost, that might be OK. Though they can be stunted depending of the effective temperature and how long it lasts. The standard thing said for pepper is to avoid anything under 12°C, but really it depends of how long it lasts and how your plant cools down during the night.

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>>1006844
>>1006842
>>1006835
>>1006831
>tfw it is supposed to get into the 30s this week.
>tfw it is supposed to be all clear skies that night

Frost incoming. Time to get out the hoops and bedsheets!

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Ah, so much area to plant now! I got a couple cattle panels and installed one already. I'll wait till next week to install the second so that row will be easier to cover against frost this week. I only have a few plants and seeds left to plant, things to weed, and walls to redo. I've run out of good soil, but there's a massive pile of compost that will be ready for next season. I just need to mix sand with it. right now, it has oodles of Dickinson pumpkin plants popping up all over it. I've been shoving onion starts in every space I can find that's open.

>>1006778
The good thing about the new bed is that it's almost completely shielded from wind, yet still gets sun almost all day.

>Somehow the Cayennes reacted much more sensitively to the sun than the bell varieties
I noticed the same last year with my Yellow Cayenne. Some pods got really bad sunscald while still green. All the other peppers were fine in the very same spot. Moved its pot between other varietes for more shade. And the black spots were entirely gone after they ripened though.

>>1006824
That's your Bolivian Rainbow right? If it keeps going like that you will get a nice bushy plant dotted with colours all over. Nice.

I'm still too chicken to top them though. And since they all grew out of their spindly phase since I modified my light installation, I will probably leave them be and will top my seedlings from early on next year for experiment.

>>1006826
>>1006829
Seconding Ebay.
There are plenty of vendors there with 5-6 digit ratings who do this for many years already. The best ones even offer free replacments if nothing germinates. And they are usually cheaper than regular shops as well.

>>1006831
>>1006835
They will probably be well given your setup.
Keep it on hand afterward for hail storms.

Question for the (bell) pepper experts:
What cultivars taste the best in your experience?
Bonus points for early maturing, hardy variants
Extra bonus for cool colors.

My mom wants to try growing bell peppers and I got her California Wonder so far, they are a cultivar the NMSU Chile Pepper Institute recommended (the only one I could find here).

>>1006916
Gypsy hybrid

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>>1006910
No, this is the only Rainbow I have, it was the last to germinate, and had the shell stuck on it for a long time too, so it's way behind on all the rest.
I've topped everything I have now. The ones I did first & that I post every 2 days are Explosive Ember.
I'm glad I bought those lamps, it's far from perfect since twice as many as I expected germinated, but it did help a lot, not a single one is leggy.

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>>1006965
Lamp setup, the smallest ones are under there now, with all the rest on the windowsill.

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>>1006966
Numex Twilight

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>>1006968
Cap 1166

Stupid question about hydro potatoes, I tried putting regular ones underwater either halfway or full but eventually they all started to rot before some strong roots could grow, is it different with seed potatoes? I got them now and browsing around people often just suggest to put the whole potato under water with perlite? but no one seem to care much about rot. So anyone has any ideas how to start it?

How big should chilli plants be by this time of year?

>>1006871
>Frost in May
I am so sorry. Here it is like summer already with consistent high 70~low 80s. If only everyone could be so fortunate to live in the temperate climate master race.

>>1006984
Depends on when you started. Show your plants.

>>1006965
Well my comment applies to Explosive Ember as well.

>>1006966
>>1006968
>>1006970
Looking good.

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Working on transfering everything to bigger pots. Should have done it a week or two ago.
I cant plant outside until I put up a chicken fence around the garden . Those bitches are destructive.

>>1006994
This is a temperate climate. -40f in winter and 110f in summer with 100% humidity. Only this crazy winter it was 80f then -15f every other week.

>>1007060
Yeah, our weather has been weird lately too. We had a brief snow in January, then afterward several weeks of 70 degree temps, then snow again in March(which is pretty damn rare here) and now the weather's been somewhat stable.

>>1006994
Officially temperate here too, but it has been a wild ride. Up to 25°C in late March, then unusual slight frost in late April, many places got damages because the trees had all been flowering

>>1007063
Same. All the trees got hit hard this year and now prices are way way up above normal.

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Any tips on how I can get the best out of this little guy? How many years until it becomes a large vineing plant?

>>1007125
I used to have a few of them when I was a teen, iirc they like airy soil with not too many nutrients, warmth but not fulltime sun, and high humidity.

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Hi. I'm needing to raise the pH of both my soil and a 2 acre pond on my land. I've heard ag lime is a way to do this. Anyone try this? I don't have a boat, but would just dumpin the lime on a single section help raise the overall ph? I know dispersion would be better. It's about a 5 on the pH level.

>>1007156
I've never done this so I can't help you, but I remember reading that you shouldn't increase your soil pH more than 1 point per year at the risk of disturbing its biological activity and its structure. Did you read some things about that?

>>1007156
You need to disperse it. You do this incrementally over a year. Don't change pH levels fast.

http://www.harvesttotable.com/2013/11/adjusting-soil-ph/
http://www.harvesttotable.com/2013/12/vegetable-crop-soil-ph-tolerances/

Do mods still ban degenerates here? Because I'm pretty sure discussing growing weed is against the rules.

>>1007257
>Uhhm sweetie, could you not? Me kids use this board.

>>1007255
http://www.4chan.org/rules

>1. You will not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.

>>1007258
>>1007260
Just ignore the mega autist "federal" puritard and just let him copypaste his crap like he's been doing for years, from my experience no weed post has been deleted here so far

>>1006576
seen a few of those squash bugs around, always wondered what they were

>>1006826
For the mints its better to but them at a local store or clone a cut from a friend or something.
Mints clone very easily and grow like weed afterwards. But the germination of the spearmint is a pain in the ass by experience. It literally takes months and the germinate rate is low by experience.

As for the peppermint I am surprised that it had seeds that germinate. I read that peppermint was an hybrid of spearmint and watermint, and was sterile and only grew from propagation.

Lavender is also notorious for having poor germination and taking months to sprout.

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anyone experienced with bamboo?

I live in east Tennessee (zone 7) and have about 10 acres i could turn into a groove and no neighbors near me to worry about overgrowth. Was looking into moso bamboo, and sites will say hardy up to -10 degrees and zone 6, but we get winters down to -10-15 every decade or so. Doesn't have to be moso, just some nice timberlike bamboo.

And how would you suggest starting out? Plants from nurseries are like 100 bucks ea, but I can find seeds on amazon for next to nothing and figure by next spring out of my greenhouse i should have couple feet tall plants to start in the spring?

>>1007444
Why would you want bamboo?

>>1007456
Not him, but bamboo grows fast and tall so it can be used to erect a quick natural wall in order to, for example, obscure an area.
You can also build stuff out of it.

>>1007456
>wood working (furniture, baskets, bowls etc....)
>animal feed
>compost
>natural wall
>harvested bamboo can go for thousands of dollars an acre

That's what I have gathered anyways

>>1007444
don't buy seeds online from out of country, especially china. All organic imports are irradiated so they wont grow.

I think you will be hardpressed to find any bamboo seeds on amazon/ebay that aren't coming from china/SEA

Are mushrooms profitable or is it just a meme?

>>1007538
100 innoculated pellets are 10 bucks on amazon, which is enough to do 10-20 logs to form a tower.

pretty fucking sure you will grow enough to make your money back 40 fold or more over the course of a few years of harvesting. If you were going to buy them at the grocery store.

>>1007538

Pick an easy to grow mushroom like oyster mushrooms and yes

i've never gardened before but i'm working on permission to use a few acres of the family farm to try. i was going to start with sweet potatoes. anybody have tips or links to info on growing them?

>>1007442
>tfw my catnip seeds sprouted in 2 weeks

Last time I tried with those seeds, it didn't sprout. This time I had stronger lights closer to the soil.

>>1007456
Bamboo is amazing, if you have deep barriers to prevent it from taking over. You can eat the tender young shoots and use the dying ones for all sorts of things.

>>1007444
I live in zone 5 and many people have bamboo here. I need to fix up a spot to plant some.

>>1007470
>All organic imports are irradiated so they wont grow.

Not true. A friend of mine gets shipments of seeds from Italy all the time. He has amazing crops.

>>1007538
Not unless you have a good amount of people who are willing to purchase them from you. They will save you money if you eat them versus buying that amount.

>>1007562
>few acres
>sweet potatoes
You trying to feed the whole town?

>>1007567
what else should i grow? it had to be low maintenance as i can't be there every day.

>>1007570

Normal potatoes

rhubarb

kale

onions

garlic

shallots

chard

>>1007570
Once you have everything set up, you'd not need to be in the garden for more than 2 days out of a week just to check on pest problems, water, and weeding.

>few acres

Don't do that. Start small. As in an area no larger than 600 square feet, 20'x30'. It is easier on you to learn how you are screwing up with a small plot of land than a large amount of land where the losses would be staggering.

>monocrop

Don't do that either. You should always plant different types of crops to help insulate against disasters or low yields.

>>1007570
>what else should i grow?

Are you eating this stuff or selling it? If you are eating it then make a list of foods you like, look up their ingredients, and cross reference that with your area and length of growing season. Grow whatever you figure out from that. If you are selling it, just research what people buy the most in your local area.

>>1007570
Peppers.
The answer is always peppers.

>>1007572
>>1007585
>>1007587
thanksx3

>>1007625
he means thanks three times not the smiley

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>>1007010

>>1007625
You over reactionary dumbass.

Question about strawberries. I planted some several years back and never tended to them. They've sprouted this Spring. If I clean up the weeds around them, will they fruit?

>>1007773
They should fruit regardless of the weeds, but it will help reduce competition pressures so they fruit more or have larger fruit.

8/30 came up. bare minimal gardening. only the fit survive.

I risked an early start and lost my melons.

>>1007823
Save the seeds.

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>>1007857
Sunburn? I planted mine over the last few days, hopefully they are hardened enough now

>>1007862
Sun burnt days ago then too cold last night

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>>1007882
>>1007857
>>1007862
Always harden off your plants and always have enough cover for all your plants. Don't even set plants outside if you don't have something to cover them with when it is cold.

I've been cutting plastic pipe and installing hoops over all my beds all day. I ran out of pipe to cut then ran out of conduit pipe. Then I find that some of the old plastic has gone brittle and can't be used. I'll need to get more of everything, now that all my beds are planted. At least I have a few days before frost conditions return.

>>1007862
>dat clay mud and cracking

You need to mix in some organic stuff and sand. The ground can harden and crack so much that it will tear roots apart and harm or kill your plant (rare but it happens.)

>>1007924
They were in the ground for 1 week, that was when they fist got sunburt. I had them out in cups for a week before that. The weather has just been to all over the place for them and I'm not making tents for weak melons. They will be replaced with superior squash.

>>1007538
It depends on the buyers in your area. If buyers are present, then yes, the profit margin is really high and the investment low.

>>1007940
2 weeks is the minimum for hardening off plants. Sometimes it takes up to a month.

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how do i stop this fuckers from eating my karelas?

Guys... I have to ask. Do any of these homemade pesticides and fungicides actually work. I see these people making videos with all sorts of recipes and no method to their madness. Very little to none of it actually being used. I feel like it's just soccer moms making youtube videos because they're bored and tired of cucking their husbands.

Tell me your thoughts? Oil, soap, water mix. Baking soda water mix. Vinegar water mix. Some people add peppers... I would like to keep the bugs out, fungus down.

>>1008085
To my experience, fungicides work better. Some pests here require way more than "a little soap". But ye, i think they work.

I would still buy it from a store tho

>>1008085
They're all shit desu since neem oil is a thing

>>1007924
I'm planting stuff on 300m^2, so it's not really gonna happen. The little compost I have goes mostly to the carrot bed, they need it more
Didn't have problems with my melons last year in the same soil, and those cracks are mostly only there after watering in transplants. Didn't help that it hadn't rained for 6 weeks here, only a bit in the previous days

>>1008085
>Oil, soap, water mix

Remove the oil and it will work. Soap + oil + water = non-working soap. Soap + water = washing off insects & plant attractants and leaving a residue they don't like.

>Vinegar water mix

Kills plants

>peppers

Peppers only work on mammals.

>keep the bugs out,

Use insect cloth. A mixture of water and molasses foliar spray also helps prevent pests to a small degree and works as a foliar fertilizer, just google for recipes. Lime dust also help as a pesticide and fungicide so a small degree. Neem oil is your best bet for a pesticide. There's no magic gun. Most of the time, I just spray the plants with water to wash insects off (aphids) and that's all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neem_oil

>fungus down

Water less and only in the morning. Don't use mulch during a rainy Spring.

>>1008136
The cracks shouldn't exist. It is indicative of a soil problem.

>>1008085
>>1008061
BT is a godsend. Neem oil hasn't worked for me in the past, but neither has some other home remedies. Soap and oil work as pesticides due to the way it interacts with tiny exoskeletons IF applied correctly. I've done the baking soda/pepper/garlic thing and it just breaks spray bottles.

Anyone know where you can get bulk mulch for cheap or free?

>>1008145
Rent a chipper. Surf craigslist.

Fungus gnats.
How do I erradicate them from my seedlings as fast as possible?

>potato plants flattened by the wind
there isn't much I can do, is there

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>>1006824
Day 12

>>1008140
From what I have read the oil idea (canola) and garlic probably came from the fact that neem oil is pretty pungent. The soap came into play with oil and water because obviously the two will separate so to get them to stay together better you mix the 3... Or just buy neem oil and it should have an emulsifier in it, if it is intended to be mixed with water.

>>1008210
If they did not snap off, don't worry about them.

>>1008194
Potted plant? Flood the soil 100% with water to drown them. Then allow the soil to dry out as much as the seedling will allow.

>>1008145
In my country there are a few companies who trim trees (Asplundh is easiest to work with). I just call them up and see where they are trimming trees and ask if they give or sell the chips. Most of the time they are glad to blow the chips right from the chipper into the back of my pickup. When they are local, I just tell them to dump it in the yard.

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>>1008238

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>>1008386

I was an idiot and brought home lawn dirt instead of garden/plant dirt from the plant shop. Can I use it anyway or do I need to get new soil? Can I make it right somehow? What is the difference?

>>1008428
>lawn dirt
be more specific. Does it have any NPK value? Is meant for growing grass?

I'm guessing you would need to add something to fluff it up, like vermiculite, and maybe nutrients.

>>1008440
what is NPK value? I think it's for growing grass. the pack says use for lawn and has a picture of a lawn.

If I mix in half-finished compost and coffee grounds will that help?

>>1008454
Nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium, NPK value is the measurement of how much and it's proportions.

Not knowing what is in it, it's probably safe for things like flowers. Since it's for lawn it might have some stuff not intended to go in people.

>>1008464
S-so not for veggies? I'm using it for veggies :(

>>1008464
ok package says (for mg/l)
Total (N) around 1940
Nh4 around 45
NO3 around 103
P around 20
K around 210
Ca around 600
Mg around 150
Na around 30
S around 200

That make sense? Is it oke?

>>1008473
I was asking about NPK because if it's listed then it might be more likely to be used in gardens. You don't really need to know it just for lawns.

>>1008472
If you want to be safe, no veggies. It depends how crazy you are about being organic. I doubt you will expose yourself to enough of anything to turn into the Hulk. You could try googleing "Is ___ safe for gardens". Smarter people than us might have already sorted this out.

>>1008477
Oke thanks based garden gnome :)

Is it too late to start okra? Zone 9 here

>>1008486
I'm in zone 5 and we plant it right now.

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4th swarm of honey bees finally moved out of the tree, after 6 days, and into one of the unprepared hives.

A 5th swarm of honey bees moved to the tree. This is insane. I spent the past hour or so putting together new frames. Luckily, I have another hive ready and waiting for the new swarm. My backyard sounds like a scene out of The Wicker Man remake.

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>>1008512

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I found these sign just outside my backyard, what does it mean? Can I still collect the bamboo that next to the sign?

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post current garden

tomatoes
bell Peppers

>>1008563
Those are boundary lines for a national park. You probably own everything up to those signs. Anything on your side you can do whatever with. On the other side, you have to check the regulations for that park.

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>>1006576
can i get a quick rundown?

>>1008574
They seem leggy. Snip them.

>>1008599
still sprouty

>>1008599

quoted wrong post, meant
>>1008598

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Im clueless, but I want to repot this. I think its a lily of some sort.
Does it look large enough to get a bigger pot, or should I buy the same size pot? Will repotting it this time of year kill it?
I live in the midwest

>was a gift from my mother, I didnt really care too much about it, dont know much about plants
>sat it outside, would bloom and come back every year without me touching it
>did this for 10 years straight
>it died and didnt come back, found it online and it said it had a ~10 year lifespan in a pot
>let it just sit on the back porch and something sprouted
>I took the sprout and bulb and stuck it in black plastic pot in pic related
>it seeded and regrew itself into pic related in 1 year
>mother recently passed, decided I want to take care of the flower as best I can

I pulled the leaves and junk out after taking the picture, but the pot is a throwaway tomato plant one and needs replaced

>>1008085
It depends on what kind of pests. But yeah, they can work.

>>1008386
Lol, thanks for that!

>>1008514
Nice man! Is it normal to get so many swarms close together?

>>1008682
Yes, but only if you have the hive bodies and frames that lure them in.

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>>1008598
Squash bug, kill it.