Tesla semi truck reveal Oct 26..., but will it be allowed to

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But others have beaten them to the punch.

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Toyota in in on this one too

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Cummins Aeon concept beats Tesla to the all-electric semi punch

The new Class 7 Urban Hauler EV, also known as the Aeos, eschews the usual diesel engine for a 140-kWh battery pack and electric motors. That means peak range is about 100 mi (160 km) and gross vehicle weight (GVW) is capped around 75,000 lb (34,020 kg). Extra battery packs could extend that to around 300 mi (483 km).

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Battery and electric motors weigh about the same as the engine, gearbox, emissions treatment system and fuel tank in a conventional tractor.

>>17875256
>cost 2 million burgers
>150mi range
>no changable battery
>0-60 in 6.5 seconds

>>17875526
300 mile range actually.

The first step to driverless longhaul trucks like in Logan

>>17875256
I can't see a down side to electric trucks, i feel an electric/hydrogen hybrid is the best solution for them.

the driver won't ever be going anywhere, even if they become fully autonomous there will always be a man in the truck for driving through cities and for just in general if things go wrong.
kinda like how planes still have a pilot even though modern airliners do not need them.

>>17875265
They have no brand so nobody fucking cares.
>>17875526
Or even better it won't fucking slow down whenever it goes up a goddamn hill so that retard truckers won't cause traffic jams when they try to slowly pass another truck going uphill.

>>17875551
That's pathetic compared to a truck with 300gal tanks, could go 2000 miles at 7mpg, and refills completely in ten minutes.
A 300mi range would mean these trucks could only be used in daycab positions.

>>17875567

Imo we need something like hydrogen to make the electrics more interesting to transport companies as electrics only range is not enough.

>>17875282
who the fuck designed that building the outside of it looks like an ice cube tray

>300 mile range
>takes 6 hours to recharge

top jej

when will the electric meme end

>>17875256
It would be incredibly heavy because of the battery weight. Poor infrastructure. Gov't should tax those electric trucks heavily because of the infrastructure repair cost.

>>17875787
This, it's laughable. They should've started with light duty box trucks. A German company developed a barebones electric mail van and it's selling like hotcakes to the German Mail.

It seems like the most effective use of electric vehicles are medium to large sized cars. Trucks are too heavy and require too much power compared to a fuel truck, and motorcycles are fast and efficient because of their low weight. Does this sound about right?

>>17875849
Nah, electric bikes are decent as well. Low weight means little power to get them moved, so the batteries last up to 200 miles on top range models. There are burner bikes with similar range because they have large engines and small tanks. If you commute 25 miles a day it'll last you a week, and it'll recharge in a few hours at home. Really the practicality of electric propulsion is inversely related to weight, the only restriction to making vehicles as light as possible is the battery weight. Works well on motorcycles because they're only a few hundred pounds, doesn't work well on small cars because it's a sudden jump to two and a half thousand pounds without space or price allowing for batteries, works well on medium sized cars, works eeeehhh on large cars because we're now getting into high weight territorty, might sort of work for vans and small box trucks if they do a lot of urban driving and parking and loading, but afterwards it's game over.

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>Need coast-to-coast
>+2,500 miles
>Stop every 300 because muh electricity
>6 hour recharge
>Need a week to reach destination

Do Elon Musk™ think it is acceptable or even this is how it's supposed to work?
Who sane in his mind will spend 2 million burgers for this instead of glorious brick truck?

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>>17875821
One of these?

>>17876574
Yeah. Literally a startup.

>>17876590
That's actually pretty cool. I'm not from Germany so I had to google search the truck.

It actually looks really cool. I like it.

>>17875567
>planes still have a pilot even though modern airliners do not need them.
>modern airliners do not need pilots
Fuck me you're a clueless cunt.

>>17875654
I don't think anyone is proposing these trucks be used as OTR, not even a true muskfaggot is that stupid

>>17876542
you do realize that not all trucks drive coast-to-coast? local distribution, especially with multiple stops, can easily be done with smaller range vehicles.
Also: next step is removing the driver.
300 miles in 6 hours driving and another 6 hours charging. without changing tractors this would mean 600 miles per day. so a little over 4 days to cover 2500 miles. A regular truckdriver is not much faster. (and express cargo could practicly double it's speed if the tractors decouple to load and a full tractor instantaneously continues the journey.

>>17876596
Well, as I said it's barebones, but mail delivery is urban anyway with low distances which it's perfectly capable of, and electric vehicles carry far lower maintenance costs so it's increasingly popular with mail agencies. And on the side it does its part towards improving urban air quality. No useless luxury, no endless marketing hyping for mediocre bullshit like Tesla does.

>>17875582
>Has no brand
If you're never heard of Freightliner then you clearly don't have room to have an opinion

>>17876605
100% of all flying procedures are just that. procedures. and you know what tops any human in following procedures? yup, a computer.
Pilots are doing just logistical tasks up there.
And that's something that could perfectly well be done from an office through a satlink.
Thing is, there is no "fuck all, i'm done. no program to fix this issue. I'll just come to a safe halt and wait for external help"-option for planes. so nobody dares to get into one that is flown by a computer.

>>17876605
If plane were 100% computerized 9/11 couldn't have happened :\

>>17876639
>I've never been within 30ft of a cockpit and don't understand flying, the post

>>17876639
>100% of all flying procedures are just that. procedures. and you know what tops any human in following procedures? yup, a computer.
The most important thing about flying is decision making in situations where things don't go as planned. You know what's fucking AWFUL at decision making and has no capacity for judgement or abstract thought? Yup, a computer.
Pilots are there to operate the plane and computers reduce the workload during low-risk/low-importance phases of flight.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0A5ECTcALg

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>>17875256
>electric motor
>supercharger

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>>17876873

>>17876611
Team drivers can do 2500 miles in 2 days in a diesel tractor.

>>17876611
What about things like securing the load during a drive? Who is going to do that?

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>>17875256
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_locomotive

>>17875803
our roads are going to fall apart even faster with these trucks on city roads

Drayage is done. It will be totally automated within 5 years and drayage drivers will have to go back to driving taxi cabs

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>>17876980
>overhead power lines
Oh wait, the Germans and Swedes are actually researching this in conjunction with Siemens.

>>17877035
how about using rail to transport shit god damn if more lines are needed build them why arent there more train depots? ya know like in the fucking 1800s where things go from truck to train or vice verca

>>17875567
The downside is that Trucks in long hauls need to go big distances and have as little downtime(Mainly for driver to sleep) as possible while trucks in short hauls need to be available 24/7(trucks working all shifts
).

>>17877043
Inflexible and expensive. Germany's road network is 17 times longer and therefore denser than the rail network, and can more easily and cheaply be adapted to changing demand.

>>17875551
>300 miles
>semi

top fuckin kek, it won't even make its first stop

>>17876606
No one uses semis for regional deliveries retard.

>>17877035
Problems a diesel/petrol truck can encounter
>Engine goes bad
>Tire Puncture
>Bad road surface
Problems this Trolleybus can encounter
>Engine going bad
>Tire Puncture
>Bad Road Surface
>Antenna going bad
>Wires or the pole going bad
>Power outage
>Truck in front having broken down

Wow can't wait for this hot piece of Progress to hit a highway near me

>>17877064
youre not thinking like a german invent a combustion engine designed to run on beer and brotworst

Lithium titanate batteries should allow a full charge in a hour.

>>17877080
>how can daycabs be real if local deliveries aren't real

>>17877035
Gypsis would steal that shit faster then they can put it up. Just like the railway.

This is why this will never work in Sweden.

>>17877083
it looks like a subsidy to siemens and the truck manufacturer tbfh

>>17876797
Modern passenger airliners are on autopilot from gear up to gear down, m8. This is common knowledge.

>>17876797
>The most important thing about flying is decision making in situations where things don't go as planned.

That has been the exact reason why flights have crashed lately, because the pilots dont know how to pilot anymore and they didnt have enough warning to react to it

>>17877083
>Bad Road Surface
>Antenna going bad
>Wires or the pole going bad
Oh yeah I hate when this happens to trains, ohwait it doesn't because regular maintenance.
>Power outage
Also almost never happens.
>Truck in front having broken down
So move around it with the onboard battery which you need for the first and last part of the journey anyway. Difference is you don't need 1000 miles range on battery anymore.

>>17877105
Anything can be mitigated with "proper maintenance"
My point was that there are more things to go wrong

>the year is 2020
>germany invents a way to convert beer into a storage medium for electricty
>all cars and trucks now run on electrified beer that is dispensed at conventional fuel filling stations

>>17877122
It doesn't matter how many things there are to go wrong if measures are taken for them not to go wrong. Electricity mast wear can be entirely controlled, combustion engine failure is a far more complex and far more frequent thing to occur.

>>17877080
UPS uses day cabs almost exclusively. They still wouldn't be interested in something that takes 6 hours to charge for a 300 mile range though.

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>>17877035
it would work only in a perfect world where all warehouses and manufacturers in would be located right next to the motorways.

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>>17877088
>Gypsis would steal that shit faster then they can put it up.

That's why Gypsis need to be gassed badly.

>>17877286
>put 100 miles worth of batteries in the truck as well
>can now go basically anywhere

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Like this, do this.

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>>17877100
holy fuck. you are so retarded. lol

>>17877328
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN41LvuSz10

>>17877501
https://youtu.be/r1CqboCzxSc

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The routes need to be enclosed, perhaps under ground with heavy security measures with extremely big depositories with a sole purpose to serve this network. Drones will deliver to remote locations. The goods will be limited with every millimeter possible and with this a new praxis of global trade will emerge out of the armageddon we're about to embark upon.

Good luck & have fun!

>>17877443
They should of made that a flatbed, tbqhwy

>>17877718
This.

>workhorse
>fucking styleside bed

>>17877080
Have you ever seen a semi without a sleeper cabin? Guess what, that's regional

you silly goose *tickles your tummy*

>>17875256
I don't get this at all. This is exactly the opposite of the ideal use case of an electric car (short range, short trip, down time between trips).

Why the fuck would they ever make a truck? Are they delusional? Who will buy this?

>>17876611

Okay, so you remove the driver in a diesel truck and you get the best of both worlds.

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>>17877763
>don't you call him a silly goose, you call your friend an asshole this instant

few companies do that and the ones that do don't even own the trucks to begin with.

>>17875787
Why even make it a semi then? Musk is fucking retarded.

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>>17876574

>>17875279
You can't even do a days deliveries in the city with a 160km range....

>>17875787
Electric is here to stay however it's not happening with fucking laptop batteries. Musk is too fucking lazy and cheap to invest in new battery technology so he's just using what's available.

EV fags are delusional if they think 18650's are going to solve the worlds energy issues.

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>>17878911
/Thread

>>17877073
what are local deliveries?

Are you that stupid?

>>17879389
then Why a large sleeper?

Are you that stupid?

>>17875526
This better be solar powered.

>>17877084
It was actually a German that invented the diesel engine

>>17879691
I forget his name. Otto or something. And it was even designed to be able to run on peanut oil.

Niggers don't want you do know that an evil white racist nazi beat them to the peanut game.

>>17879414
That's the battery pack :^)

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>>17878911
Tesla isn't going to be using 18650s in a few years.

Once the Gigafactory is finished. it is going to be all 2170s.

>>17877685
For whatever reason that's the only photo I've seen of the Gripen that I didn't hate, maybe cause it showcases the tail region of the fuselage; I never realized how much the back half of the Gripen looks just like the F16. But now I'm sure the F16 wouldn't look better with side intakes, the smile intake gives it character.

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>>17879723
autism.

back to your cesspit

>>>/pol/

>>17879985
Nice gangstalking, JIDF

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>>17879996
>he's racist and a schizophrenic
lol

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>>17880004

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>>17880019
sperg more autist

>>17879857
Still Laptop batteries made by Panasonic, and Sanyo (owned by Panasonic)

>>17878879
QUTE

>>17880303
>create a route specifically for tesla trucks
Good thing all goods can be carried on one route then, right? It's not like there are hundreds of highways in the US.

>>17880325
Why not just use Warren Buffet's freight rail at that point?

>>17880004
What's wrong with being racist?

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>>17880346
>what's wrong with tribalism XDDD
it's a retarded mindset. it only serves to incite violence because of differences.

pick a side then fling shit at the other side. humans are just hairless apes. nothing more.

>>17880372
>humans are just hairless apes
speak for yourself nigger

>>17880376
Warren Buffet bought them up so he could use the tanker cars to store the fracking waste water to keep the oil industry alive by hiding the disposal costs.

What I've been seeing lately, outside of old fashioned rail like in, say, Wyoming, where you get 30 mile cars pulling shit out of a mine, is intermodal cars. That's not compatible with trucks.

>>17880325
so a train?

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>>17880380
Nothing I said was wrong so you resorted to ad hominems. lol.

This is also why I am a transhumanist.

When the technology comes and humans cannot or will not use technology to overcome their failures as a species they deserve to be killed altogether.

>>17879760

Then it would be an obese semi that would be taxed heavily. :^)

>>17880399
In other words, the intermodal container has different dimensions vs. some of the wiggle wagons, and different again vs. the traincar.

Meanwhile it takes human labor to move them from platform to platform, let alone what you can do with a flatbed truck pulling partial loads. The sheer versatility of the trucking industry is nothing to sneer at.

>>17875265
>a semi truck doing 0-60 in 20 seconds.
This is a bad idea.

>>17880372
>XDDD
Go back to red dit.

>it's a retarded mindset
Why? Because you said so?

>it only serves to incite violence because of differences.
I don't see how being racist relates to being violent. One can be racist without being violent and vice versa. Besides, isn't it antifa and blm that resort to violence?

>humans are just hairless apes.
If you identify as an hairless ape that's fine. But there are different apes out there, ones with hair, for example. And your hairless kind can type, while others can not. Am I racist for point that out?

>>17880809
dont respond, it's a tumblrette

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>>17880809
>implying being divisive is good
>implying tribalism is good
retard alert.
>>17880813
No argument. Next, please.

>>17875256
>>17875261

i hate how this hipster corporate shit highjacks nikola tesla's name

i wish tesla would come back from the dead and invent a death ray to vaporize this fuckstick

>>17880820
Tesla was a total freak, let's not lie to ourselves here.

>>17879857
Fuck sake.
I wanna gonna say "It's not that they're not investing in new battery tech, it's that they're pouring billions into the old tech", but my god, a slightly larger 18650? This is the best they can do? Not layered lipol blocks? Still wrapping everything up into a tube with massive dead space between them.

>>17880825

Better than this freak company that keeps tricking the world so its stock prices to be through the roof.

>>17880825
could nikola tesla be the hipster of his time?

>>17880877
Li-Ion is the current best balance of attributes that is mature and ready for mass production.

Lithium Titante batteries are coming up. though they are more for uses where you can charge at stupid high volts and amps several times a day. their anode is lithium and titanium alloy. it's crystal structure doesn't changed due to heat like the carbon anodes in li-ion batteries. which means no damage from charging. the downside is slightly less specific energy and slightly less energy density. so you need more cells and bigger cells.

>>17880923
This was before Edison was stelling Tesla's ideas for generators and arc lighting without paying. A hipster no, the industry treated him like shit.

>>17877129
It's thinking like that that make the Germans put 1000 moving tiny parts into every motor theyve ever made
"Ja, if you do proper maintenance, nothing can go wrong!"

It's that maintenance that will go wrong, either from lack of funding or disasters, we will always obey Murphey's law.
If it can go wrong, it will.

>>17877520
>guy responds with a legitimate video
>you have no response so you deflect

must be hard being wrong all the time.

>>17875256
Well behind Merc and Mitsubishi

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>>17876542
>Need coast-to-coast
>+2,500 miles
>Stop every 300 because muh electricity
Scania have that covered.

>>17881610
>stealing from tesla
the tradition continues