The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) has officially han

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/11/elon-musk-in-union-spat-after-wrongly-calling-tesla-worker-a-paid-agitator

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>>17816322

Sounds like Tesla needs...a Union.

It would be...for their own good.

>>17816338
Because mandatory overtime is awesome

>>17816322
>>17816331

>implying Elon Musk isn't just another piece of shit moneygrubbing scumbag

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>>17816347

Unions will protect the workers, ensure fair conditions, and equal wages. It will ensure the company sees a stable future, just like GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Unions have been the best part of these companies, I think we can all agree that Unions are great.

Yes let us get some Unions in there right away.

>>17816351
If Musk just like you know...paid their workers or hired enough staff this wouldn't be an issue.

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>>17816351
>fair wages and fair treatment is Bolshevism

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Rate of injury is 31% higher than the industry average according to a Worksafe report this year. The report also showed the rate of serious injuries was DOUBLE the industry average in 2015.

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>>17816355
>>17816356

The Unions only care about fairness. They just want you to earn a good living, and they have proven themselves to be universally good for every company.

I am glad we all agree that Unions are a sure thing for Tesla, and that if they were to be so foolish as to resist a Union...well...let's just say their company might cease to be profitable.

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>>17816367
>workers love working 72 hours a week for shit wages

>>17816355
>>17816356

>muh hard factory work
>muh living wage
>muh greedy corporations givin muh jabs to immergants

If you like you know...got an education and a real job you wouldn't have to be a bluecollar shit-disturber.

>>17816367
Explain Amazon then

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>>17816385
How elitist of you
Any further insights that you could bestow upon a poor plebian?

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>>17816380

>implying they are forced to work there
>implying someone is holding a gun to their head enslaving them
>implying they don't have 100% freedom to accept and quit their job at any time

Yes companies should be legally forced to pay unskilled factory workers $28/hr to screw widgets into fidgets and press a few buttons.

>>17816396
>implying it wasn't coming anyway
>implying Musk is a genius
If he was such a fucking genius he would have been smarter than to build them in California, it was bound to happen

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>>17816387

That's different. Amazon is run by many conscientious and experienced people who understand what makes a good workplace. They do not need a union. Pic related, just look at the talented individuals who ensure a Union is simply not needed.

looks like the tesla defenders are out in force today

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>>17816413
Thread

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>>17816420
>>17816428

Do not deny the need for a Union.

>>17816420
Amazon is started by Jews and ran by Jews and were scared shitless when union rep arrived on their Distro grounds they made it trespassing if one shows their face at any of them

>>17816420
>known for creating a chaotic working environment
>openly encourages snitching on co-workers via an app that allows it anonymously, except to the managers
>had to recently raise starting pay company wide to try and keep unions at Bay

Oh yeah, they sure know how to run a good workplace

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>>17816507

That sounds like a misunderstanding.

And yes, the majority of controllers in Amazon's structure are Jewish, but this is a good thing. They are trustworthy and will ensure safe conditions and fair wages.

Surely you aren't implying that they would create a toxic workplace?

What are you, an anti-Semite?

>>17816540
>provide 2 "15 minute" breaks that by the time you walk out of where you are in the DC and have to get back by the end of the break, it's actually 5 minutes
>provide 30 minute lunch break that by the time you walk out of your section and have to walk back to get your new instructions, is actually 20 minutes
>force workers to work at an unmaintainable pace
>if they don't work at said pace you transfer them to another department that has even higher speed requirements
>fire them if they don't meet said requirements

Sounds a bit semitic

>>17816567

Sounds like those workers need to work harder and stop complaining, they probably have no education or skills.

They should be thanking Amazon for giving them a chance to earn any money at all.

>>17816367
Workers can vote down a union you know. It happened to Boeing on the east coast. When a union deal is better than what the factory is currently paying you, you know that it's shit. It's getting stuck between a rock and a hard place.

>>17816585
Fuck off Bezos

My father is a retired GM worker. With UAW he was able to buy a brand new car at 18 ('72 Camaro). Was able to buy a home at 21. Raise three kids and send them to college. And retire the day he turned 65. He's living comfy now. UAW is pretty great desu senpai.

>>17816617

He also drove GM into the ground and forced taxpayers to fork over literally billions of dollars just to keep the company afloat.

They continue to produce poorly made, ugly, disposable cars.

Yes Unions sure are great, as long as one guy was able to bypass a life of hardwork and study through legal extortion via UAW.

Union shill please go, UAW is literally the posterchild for horrible unions run amok.

>>17816663
It's corporate that makes all the cars shit. Not the workers.

>>17816667
>Need to cut costs because people want cheap ass car.
>Can't lower the wage or fire literal niggers pushing buttons on a machine paid 90k a year base salary with obligatory 8 weeks vacation and weekly overtime.

Yeah fucking corporation reeeeeeeeeeee

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>>17816667

Let's look at this closely:

You have $100 to spend on a car.

You decide a fair wage for unskilled workers to do primarily automated jobs is $17/hr.

You divert 17/100 to wages.

You have 83/100 left over to spend on R&D, parts, marketing, infrastructure.

But wait - UAW appears.

Now you have to pay 36/100 in wages, leaving 64/100 for R&D, parts, marketing, infrastructure.

Because of this, your engineers have smaller budgets and tighter schedules. Because of this your suppliers must make parts cheaper, using lower-grade materials. Because of this, quality suffers. Design suffers. Your end product ultimately suffers.

It's absolutely, without a doubt the fault of UAW that the Big Three were in such trouble. Corporate had their share of the blame, but the lion's share was with the unions - no argument.

>>17816683
>90k year base
I love this strawman

>>17816683
>or fire

This too. I had family who worked for Ford back in the 1990's, it's unbelievable the level of shitfuckery they had to tolerate there. Guys could fuck up the same thing repeatedly, call in sick all the time, go on "stress leave", and when they hit about 45 years of age they all started claiming for "long term disabilities".

The environment is insane - it actively promotes laziness and greediness. If anyone questions you, simply complain to your union rep and they start a giant shitstorm that fucks up everything even worse. The CHILDREN run the daycare now.

>>17816694
Yet regular cars are cheaper than the shit Tesla shits out. Your argument is invalid

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>>17816696

It's absolutely fucked what they get paid, when you consider people with degrees (even applied degrees like environmental engineering) make 50-60% of that, and incur debt getting an education.

I have zero sympathy for autoworkers and their bitching. I have zero sympathy for Tesla workers, they can fuck right off.

>>17816714

It's called an economy of scale. Understand it.

Also, the lithium batteries are what drive up the price of Teslas more than anything - it's extremely laborious and expensive to extract lithium from the Earth.

>>17816351
I'll remember how bad unions are when I'm making 73 bucks per hour tomorrow.

>>17816667
I've had numerous times when an operator has falsified a part check or not called out the inspectors. My favorite complaint was the wall that was put in to prevent people from bypassing the final gage on the line.

>>17816728

I'd say remember how bad they are the next time your employer goes bankrupt and you lose your job and have no transferable skills - but the gov't will just bail you out like they always do.

>mfw people spend 7-8 years earning a Doctorate and become veritable experts in their field
>truly dedicated to the perfection of their craft which betters humankind

>most of them spend their lives in financial mediocrity, with lots of debt, and without any assistance should they find themselves in some misfortune

>yet bluecollar slugs with subhuman IQs make $80K/year and bully the government into maintaining their manufacturing cartels

laughing my fucking ass off

the absolute state of America

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>>17816322

Kek

KEK

Tesla is fucked. I bet they go bankrupt within a year. So much for electric cars.

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>>17816771

jesus fucking christ, can't make this shit up

>>17816771
There's nothing wrong with getting a little stoney on break ya fucking squares

>>17816783

t. entitled factory slug

>>17816663
Blame the engineers and management. Not guys on the assembly line.

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>>17816783

>>17816755
supply and demand applies to jobs too

that's what happens when you tell everyone that they have to go to college and put down blue collar workers, it results in everyone and their mom getting a degree, suddenly those degrees are not so desirable and there is a shortage of blue collar workers

>>17816835

see >>17816694
and >>17816717

Blame undoubtedly rests with the greedy bluecollar slobs.

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>>17816778

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>>17816846
>>17816771

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmKyJXHXRE

WITH SOUND!

>the way they scurry off like fucking roaches at the end

>>17816385
>If you like you know...got an education and a real job

if you looked for work lately, you wouln't say such retarded shit. blue collar work pays more than college educated work most of the time

>>17816540
/pol/ please you have to go back

>>17816846
Whatchu doin with day camruh dere bruh?

>>17816857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibxkB_S2r1k

>>17816857
fox news hypocrites. did the job get done? then who gives a fuck if they had a six pack and smoked weed during lunch.

>>17816888
Because who's to say Byron the Bluntman and Leon the Liquorswiller have gotten it to the specs it's supposed to be? I wouldn't trust these men even if they were sober

>>17816901
have you ever even step foot inside on factory floor? theres multiple fail safes for shit to be caught before being sent out, the companies do random drug tests, at factories in europe they even serve alcohol at the cafeteria at factories. that shit was on tv because the bailouts/alcohol/drugs are deeply unpopular and looked down upon as criminal in flyover america.

>>17816694
>>17816839
>>17816717
It's be more like 120 to spend since your employees would turn around and buy a car since they'd be able to afford it. Look at how much German companies pay their auto workers and Germany quality is much greater than American. Again, blame the engineers not the workers.

Anyone who's anti-union can fucking die. Workers' rights are too important.

>>17816385
Some one has to make your cars my educated friend. You would think college would teach you how to think farther than the personal level.

>>17816351
>>17816367
Aren't the jews usually for the electrification of road vehicles?

>>17816888
>did the job get done
well considering american car quality is on par with a flaming dog shit i'd say no

>>17816950
I'm about to start working on a car factory. The pay is absolute shit lol( 660 euros per month), but I need anything right now, I wonder if I'll like it.

>>17816955
>car quality
I guarantee you, the quality of the american car being high or low has absolutely nothing to do with the worker drinking or smoking weed at lunch and probably more to do with engineering problems of the production line itself and other issues of management and defects never being addressed because "muh production numbers".

Toyota makes cars in the US and pays their workers a hefty price tag, and they're considered to be high quality, in fact the freemont, ca tesla plant was THE best plant for GM and Toyota they have had in terms of quality.

>>17816338
t. musk
or maybe just a standard >>>/pol/ bootlicker

>>17816937
>duuuh, why you don't wanna pay moneys to muh union for muh 72$/hr paycheck?
>i m professional individual, muh workers rights!
Please, stay in your shit tier state with your shit tier Unions so the rest of us don't have to deal with the cancer that inevitably spreads when Auto manufacturer "unions" start popping up in a state.
Unions are a cancer on the working world and the fact that they've trained you greedy fucks to think that your way of thinking is at all acceptable or reasonable is a disgrace.

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>>17816977
>people in charge of qc smoking weed has no effect on quality!

>>17817011
>being this ignorant of factory work

you must think everyone who smokes weed is incapacitated, its just like alcohol, some can drink a lot before it has an effect on them, some can't handle a single ounce of beer.

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>>17817025

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>>17816977
>the Fremont, ca Tesla plant was THE best plant for GM and Toyota they have had in terms of quality.

But... they sold it to Tesla, who bought it with a GOV grant?

The highlight of my most recent 15 hour shift were the operators who managed to smuggle in a panini press and a blender unto our production floor. It made being forced into releasing 30 known bad vehicles feel better that my entire industry is a joke.

>>17816838
Unironically this...
There's a reason Miners and people who work in remote areas earn so much. Because people would rather spend 4 years in university, rack up six figures of debt and wage cuck it up in a 6 Sq ft cubicle for barely median income for rest for their life

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>>17817075
We have a sorting company in house to sort all the bad parts we get from China.... and they are all people from, Chinese?

>>17817098
Nope. All our parts are proudly imported from Mexico.

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>>17817114
Good thing, Bad thing? Why can the Germans do it , and not NA. I know , Eastern Europe A6.

If they don't like their job they should just quit and work at Chipotle.

>>17817139
I don't think Chipotle hires illiterate people with 3 felonies and neck tattoos. All Tesla has to do is say that if the factory goes Union it will institute background checks, drug tests, and require proper safety gear at at all times and it will get voted down 100 to 0.

>>17817149
Youre dumb as a hammer if you think they dont already do that.

>>17817135
Bad because our suppliers purposely ignore our packaging requirements even if we fine them. My favorite is building 48k of our product with rusted bolts straight out of a sealed box.

>>17817152
I know for a fact they don't :)

>>17817152
Our job website specifically states that we don't discriminate against hiring convicted felons.

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>>17817154
I left and came back, In the day having an in house sorting company was (retarded)

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>>17816755
You sound mad... Like you can't get a real job or something.

>>17817171
We have a contractor do supplier part sorting and end of line inspecting. They are very good at catching our screwups.

>>17817189
uhmmm.. i need sauce on that gif, reasons

>>17817196
>using cheap supplier
>using contractor to fix supplier probs

why the fuck dont you just find a proper supplier and pay what it takes?

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>>17817196
US Too, but back in the day this shit was not done?

>>17817203
If our wealthiest customers learned that we use the same supplier for one of our high end products as our entry level product, they'd be pissed. Unfortunately it got mentioned by a vblogger recently. You don't want to know how long quality is actually tracked for.

>>17817212
We're only able to do this since we force the supplier to pay to sort their nonconformist parts. Though we gladly eat the end of line inspection cost since it will get us in trouble with final assembly if we let things slow down the line.

>>17817217
it reminds me of the place I worked for. bev distribution. So a lot of fridges to, over 10 years old. Management and industry practice was to repair everything. I know nothing of the industry, look at it and ask prices. New fridge $700, repairs cost at least $200 in parts alone.

>>17816728

But with a Union, you could bully your way to $100/hr!*

*After union dues you'll only be making $50/hr

>>17816771

The auto plant here had the entire floor walk out after someone got a paper cut and "didn't receive an adequate size bandage"

UAW has run every company it works with into the ground. Even the gun companies.

I have an aunt that is a GM factory worker in lansing. she hasn't worked since the 80s. She has been on disability since then. collecting more compensation then she would working. she should be retired and on pension, but still on disability collecting more than she would on pension. there isn't even anything seriously wrong with her. just a repetitive stress injury to one shoulder. so it hurts a little to raise that one arm above her head.

>>17817260
>there isn't even anything seriously wrong with her. just a repetitive stress injury to one shoulder. so it hurts a little to raise that one arm above her head.

what an entitled prick you are. she got a life time injury on her arm working for a company that makes billions in profits every year. and you think she's entitled because they're paying her for the work she did which caused the damage to her body.

I'm not a union defender in the slightest, but your aunt deserves the god damn money.

>>17817274
should have put her somewhere else in the factory. where she didn't have to raise that arm.

she has been malingering for decades and the UAW helps her get away with it.

Remember when Henry Ford gave his workers better conditions than the companies under union control

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>>17817319
Nice revisionist history

>>17817199
it's nigger porn from the 70s, you cucked redditor faggot.

>>17817199

Stacey Donovan

>>17816857
*cars racing away*
>you gonna go build some cars now?
fucking kek

>>17817334
The revisionist history is union propaganda because they are butthurt they don't introduce the 40 hour working week
Stay mad kike scum

>>17817233
>After union dues you'll only be making $50/hr
My dues are 1.2%, son

>>17816857
lel, I bet a union member fucked this guy's wife

>>17817135
2012 Audi A6 - Production in India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxrldb4rwAo

>>17816707
I work as a toolmaker for a stamping plant, we are unionized with unifor. Theres people here who have worked maybe 3 months in total of the year and still have a job, still get benefits, still accruing a pension, and when they are here they do absolutely fuck all. Its honestly fucking insane how that shit operates. Not to mention that you can be written up for doing things that fall under the jurisdiction of someone else, for example the hose clamp on an airline comes loose; you can get written up if you tighten it yourself and not call a millwright to come over and tighten the fucking hose clamp.

I get that unions were a good idea back in the day where people were dying left and right inside a fucking poorly maintained coal mine, but nowadays if your company is so shit to work for nobody is going to work for you; theres way to many opportunities out there that arent total shite, like even mcdicks wouldnt be that bad considering all the memes to raise the min wage to $15/hour

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>>17817496
>$15/hour

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>>17817511
Yep, shits a fucking joke. With prices of power and forcibly raising the min wage idk why the fuck anyone would want to do business here especially manufacturing. Your cost is just going to go up and up and up and people are going to want cheaper and cheaper prices. Pretty fucking sustainable if you ask me.

Migh as well get a gang of shitskins from bumfuckistan to come over and sit on the dole.

>>17817481

I bet a union member fucked this guy's life - unions are scum and have been known to actually, physically harass their opponents.

>>17817496

Unions are fucking garbage these days, they're part of the reason new homes cost so much.

I worked as a labourer one summer in college. I made $14/hour (min. wage was $12) while the full-time guys made $30/hour.

We literally swept up sawdust in framed houses, cleaned up garbage, and locked/unlocked the homes each day for the trades to enter and do their jobs.

And sure enough, these guys were lazy as fuck and complained all day about how hard their job is and how much their boss sucked.

Fucking lame ass fucks.

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>>17817536
2008 redeux...?

>>17816347
my company has mandatory overtime now. they just changed the rate so if you work sunday its now triple pay.
idiots dont seem to hire many new people even though we need at least 2 dozen


>Effective 9/11/2017, premium pay rates for employees who work on 2nd and 3rd
shift will be changing to a percentage of pay based on years of service.
Employees with less than 1 year of service will receive an additional 6%,
1 to 2 years of service will receive an additional 10%, and 3 or more years of
service will receive an additional 14%.
Any employee who would like to move to 2nd or 3rd shift is encouraged to inform
their supervisor as soon as possible.
Management will do their best to grant each shift exchange but cannot guarantee
a move. Management will review departmental needs on each shift before
permitting a change.
Please speak with Human Resources if you have any questions.

>>17817607
My company OWNS the temp agency we use???

>>17817593
Pretty reasonable considering, how the cost of literally everything is increasing, and how taxes are increasing and how wages are not. Its getting to the point where unless you're making $20 hour you would make the same on welfare.

I started at my job at $15.25/hour and then got a raise to $17.75 and am taking home the same amount of money each pay.

>>17817607
Same shit at my work, even though they are trying to hire new people. It takes like 6 weeks to train somebody properly and we need like 10 more people per shift to get where (((management))) wants us to be.

>>17816694
UAW is the reason why auto makers prefer to sell bigger cars, they make more of a profit off bigger cars than they do smaller cars.

Its one of the factors why the Dart is getting chopped pretty quickly.

They make the cost of manufacturing a car so fucking high the only way to see any real profit to their revenue is to sell something they can justifiably sell for more.

>>17817684
The Dart/200 doesn't exist anymore simply because Chrysler isn't good at making low-margin small cars.

Back in the 80s and 90s unions lock sites down and for you didn't have a union card no access
Cutting thousands of out work
They would also come onto site and straight up harass anyone that wasn't a member. Fucking weak little British cunts with their big islander body guards. I remember one of the boys cracking one of the enforcers in back of the head with a hammer when some shit went down. Builders were happy enough to jump on our side and say the scum cunt fell down some sstairs

>ITT People blaming unions for the high cost of cars

I know for a fact that VW workers are paid less than 1200 a month (at their highest career point) in the european car factories that churn out high dollar cars. While Toyota Camry workers get over $40 a hour plus benefits.


Toyota Camry is still cheaper than most VW cars. Explain that.

>>17817679
yeah at any given point we are past due on everything.
probably if there were no new orders it would be a solid 2 months of work before we caught up.

Salary Range
$17.00 - $24.00 Hourly

ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES include the following. Other duties may be assigned.
Reviews and maintains production schedule, expedite list and/or work orders.
Studies print, process sheet, or layout on workpiece to determine assembly required, and assembly sequence of operation.
Determines availability status of components for assembly. Confers with area supervisors to determine availability of work in process parts.
Check dimensions of component parts for assure print conformance by use of layout, and/or any required inspection equipment.
Lays out reference lines and machining locations on workpiece, according to print.
Operates various power tools.
Uses Bluco or layout table to perform fixture or small lot size assembly work.
Complete assembly as required, by welding, gas brazing or other methods.
Process completed orders for shipment.

>>17817747
You can't compare Toyota to any other brand imo. Their lean process they use is so far ahead of anyone elses, I don't think it would be a stretch to say they are twice as efficient as most other factories (especially for their highest produced cars), their first pass rate is WAY better than everyone elses, and they don't do stupid stuff with refreshes/billions of configs, they'll build a platform or engine for 20 years, they can do that because their reputation is on reliability, not on having the freshest doodads. Also, they factor in less cost for warranty repairs because less are needed vs. other manufacturers and the cars are easier/faster to repair. The German brands know they are going to eat it on warranty repairs and have to figure that into the price. No idea where you wage numbers came from, are you talking about what VW workers make in Mexico vs the Camry plant in the US?

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>>17817747
but vw was union?

>>17817812
>No idea where you wage numbers came from
they come from my dads paystub, and my future paystub (660 per month), gonna start a couple of weeks from now. Europe's poor places is where they build their factories

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>>17817812
Asians have smaller hands, makes them good at building shit.
Also good to see Toyota not hopping on the turbo everything bandwagon.

>>17817855
where did this myth come from that asians build toyotas?

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>>17817860
Dr. W. Edwards Deming, a household name in Japan, became the prime catalyst behind the incredible success of Japanese industry. In fact, since 1951, the Deming Prize has been the most coveted and prestigious award among Japanese corporations,

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>>17817860
There are enough Asians in Murrica to build Yota's
Pic UNRELATED

>>17817903
West Virginia may be hilly but there ain't enough slopes there to build railroad to the empty mines let alone do the engines and transmissions they do at the buffalo plant. Same goes for Georgetown ky

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>>17817876
Fun fact: Japanese game company Sega began as an American coin-op distribution business in Hawaii. Sega is actually an acronym that stands for Service Games.

Fitting then, that their most successful arcade game is about American stock car racing.

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>>17817912
Most sub assemblies are made in Asia, then assembled by fat fingered Murricans.

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>>17817920
TIL

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>>17817912
Slopes, get it :)
_you_

>>17817759
Shits almost comical they want like 100k parts off a press per day but yet they leave presses idling because they want 2 people to run the one with hot parts. Same when shit breaks they stick multiple people on it to fix while other shit is left on the side to be done later instead of having enough people in order to be doing shit constantly.

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>>17817065
>>17816413
Oh yeah, Toyota ditched their Cali plant to Tesla, and moved to Texas..

>>17817953
well thats pretty much worse than here then.

>>17817855
makes your dick look bigger when they hold it, too.

>>17817991
>it gets bigger when I pull it

>>17817953
We had three presses go down at one time , then had to do 2 months of overtime to make up for lost time. Now we are letting go 10% of the plant? -Preventative Maintenance-

>>17817998
"""preventative maintenance""" fuck i think the only work the maintenance team here does besides take 2 hour long breaks is put lube in the presses. I dont know how the fuck we stay in business, we put up record sales number and need to stamp about 300k parts per 8 hour shift to keep up but theres been multiple days where we've stamped like 80k parts in 3 shifts.

Keep getting new contracts but not enough operators to run the presses and not enough toolmakers to keep the tools running. Some smart business choices going on for sure.

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>>17818020
My guys sit on line, talking to operators or playing on their phones, once a sensor blew and it took ALL of them half a shift to figure out how to fix it. At one point they turned off all the power for 30min, hoping on start up everything would be OK.

>>17818058
>make part to spec
>contractor decides they randomly want .03mm rad around entire part instead of the current spec which isnt a constant .03mm rad
>get new coins from our HQ
>dont fit in any of the dies
>modify dies
>fucks with every dimension imaginable
>get the correct rad, its squeezing the material so much so width is off
>get rad and dimensions correct its burring in a critical area
>no fix in sight
>get toolmaker from HQ in germany
>useless

Throwing random amounts of shim stock under particular punches appears to have done the trick. Fucking useless tits.

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>>17818089
>shim
Oh yes had to do that.
They should just randomly get a manager / supervisor to work on the floor for a month to get a feel as to what's really going on. don't expect miracles, but at least they know what you are doing.

>>17816694
more like
>100 for car

>15 for labor
>15 for capital goods
>10 for r&d
>60 for shareholders

then the laborers want 20
OY VEY THEN WE HAVE TO HALVE THE R&D BUDGET

>>17818141
Nothings better than pulling a die section out to sharpen it and there'[s like a quarter inch of fucking shim underneath it. But never the less we ordered the replacement die sections a month ago they just never came, and the ones that we miraculously received someone need modification because apparently 10 thou here and there isn't noticeable.....

Ive had some talks with my supervisor about shit like that and it basically comes down to 'its not my job to get the dies fixed in the optimal manner, its my job to make the presses go up and down'

But real talk tho Bihler toolmakers(and just personnel from Germany in general) are fucking useless. Fuck I remember a few years ago we had a tool made in Germany, they built it upside down and every fucking spot where there was a slug, there was also a shuttle arm trying to throw the slug out onto the conveyor. Half million dollar piece of shit we ended up ditching in the bay for the same tool made locally but in a non-retarded manner.

>>17818141
All our unit leaders have their desks located on the floor near their line. It's the industrial and manufacturing engineers that never leave their desks. There is only a single engineer on the floor at all time.

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>>17818184
Yeah but do they get their hands dirty. We built a station with several monitors so supervisors can coordinate, never got used. My supervisor likes to park his ASS next to the closest fan when working.

>>17818242
Salary employees aren't allowed to touch parts, operate machines or conduct basic maintenance without getting grievances.

>>17816322
We all know Elon is a piece of shit.

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>>17818281
True, just pisses me off that someone that can't do my job, telling me how it should be done.
I'm not right in every situation but if my mouth breather supervisor tells me how to do something and I disagree, I just say "show me"