Wow, it's been 4 years since i've been out of the game

It's too slow.
That is the main complaint of it. At this point it's an overpriced heavy Miata.

>>17784695
get ready to meet alphonse lol

Somewhere in the design process it lost an extra hundred horsepower it needed to be good. Also sounds disappointing as fuck stock.

>>17784698
It's similarly priced to a miata.

>>17784725
comes with LSD and miata doesn't... Has a big trunk too

They fucked it up letting Subaru use their engine. The engine is too wide to turbo it and too high compression stock. Needs premium for 200hp. Stock tune has torque dip. They purposely put shitty tires on just to get it to be "fun"

>>17784744
Nevermind that the original projected price target when it was announced was sub 20k. Most of the other sins could be ignored if that was the case, instead of being a literal 100$ cheaper than the WRX.

It's close to 30k and it's got the power of 18k cars.

The cars at 30k have 40-60% more power.

>>17784752
The tuning and wrenching ability on the boxer is crap. If it had a normal engine, everything else could be forgiven.

>>17784759
and it's rwd unlike the 18k cars.

>The cars at 30k have 40-60% more power.

except they are fwd

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>>17784744
>too wide to turbo
This is a new one, /o/

>>17784785
Yes the 370z, mustang, camaro etc are all fwd

>>17784695
Nice blog post faggot, nobody missed you

>>17784695
/o/ realised they couldn't afford it.

Ergo all these excuses about how bad it is, how slow it is etc

>>17784833
Are those cars actually the same price as a 86?

>>17784878
They do this while praising their 3k miatas and civics.

>>17784885
Yes

>>17784788
Why do you think they haven't turboed it yet and slapping a supercharger on top has been far more popular?

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>>17784759

>tfw the manual starts at 52k euros (62k dollars) in my eurocuck country

>>17784892
Well that's kinda retarded.

I am glad I don't live in a crappy country.

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>>17784941
That's pretty bad.

>>17784732
Because the LSD in the miata is optional.

>>17784695
Its too expensive.

For a similar price than a 0km GT86 you can get a fiesta ST or a Focus ST and it will beat the shit outta the GT86.


The new MX5 RF is much more fun to drive, or so people claim, however its worth noting that its still an only 2 seater with less trunk space.

The GT86 is just a bigger miata that works for daily driving better, but again, it has similar power to weight ratio and its still quite expensive.

>>17784695
everyone got mad it didn't have 400hp, weigh less than 200lbs and cost less than $15,000

>>17784995
But why don't people complain that the miata is too expensive, especially the RF?

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>>17784997
even 250hp would have made it night and day different. this torque curve is abysmal, a miata is faster in a straight line, let alone everywhere else

>>17785017
I'm confused. An s2000 had less torque from 0-6k, but people loved it. The BRZ gets on power at 5k and people hate it?

>>17785016
They do. But the GT86 is much more famous.

The new miata is about 300 pounds heavier than the N/A, has a similar engine, and people dislike the new style. So they keep to the original, while they have little to compare the GT86 to.

>>17785021
people expect cars to improve in a decade and half. that s2000's redline was 1600RPM higher and it had shorter gears because of it.

compare the modern 2.0l subaru engine to a modern 1.8l engine and it loses even in the torque department

>>17785039
The s2000 also cost like what, bmw z4 money? If a cheaper car can almost equal a more expensive car in power and be the same weight, with backseats and a roof, there's your improvement.

>>17784695
Nice LARPing kid.

It's a good car. There's better in its class but not much. 20/25k for a used one here in the NL

>>17785072
>almost equal it in power
if you're still confused about why people "hate" the brz's engine, its 13 years later and the s2000 still has 20% more power

>The successor to a cheap slow rwd sports car is a cheap slow rwd sports car and this triggers me.

>>17785072
>BMW Z4 money

You mean the old Z4? sure.

You mean the new one? hell no.


And the S2000 is still more reliable than the BMW, more famous, and so on.

The GT86 gets less power, more weight, bigger pricetag, and less RPM.

>>17785097
>the successor to a cheap slow RWD DD car that happens to be a good sports car is an expensive slow RWD sports car marketed to be fast

>>17785109
So much is wrong with your statement.

>>17785113
The original AE86 is a corolla dude.

Corolla was never a sports brand. It became famous because it was a perfectly balanced sports edition of a corolla. Nothing else.

Here comes the GT86, marketed to be a successor, being a shit ton more expensive and being marketed heavily as this sporty lightweight car.

Except its overweight and overpriced compared to what the AE86 was back in its time.

>>17785107
>>17785072
actually, the s2000 was much cheaper. 30k msrp vs the z4 40k

I also know its next to impossible to get a brz for its msrp, but I don't have that data for the s2000 since it was so long ago

>>17784995
>fiesta st or focus st
>beating a rwd chasis
this is how I know you can't drive for shit and have never taken a corner at.more than 5mph in your life.
honestly all of you just stop posting if at any point in your argument there's gonna be anything even mildly related to straight line speed/performance.
jesus christ this fucking board... literally praising understeering pieces of shit.
next thing you're gonna tell me a new fwd civic is a better sports car than a lotus because it's faster in a straight line and has more hp... honestly, learn to drive, then come back here and tell me you can outcorner a rwd car with a fwd/awd one.

>>17785128
Nice trolling.

Guaranteed replies here.

>>17785128
the brz is actually well known to understeer

it's ok though, once you finish the second season of initial D you'll see not all the races are determined by drivetrain layout

>>17785120
wrong.

> It became famous because it was a perfectly balanced sports edition of a corolla

That's a funny way of saying Initial D.

>>17785132
>the brz is well known to understeer
>the best handling car in the pricerange in decades
>literally have to get in a porsche or 50k+ cars to get the same level of handling performance
ok

>>17785021
The S2K was shit on for having notorque, and it didn't have a dip like that where you can actually feel it losing torque in the wrong damn place. It's why Honda put the shitass F22C into the USDM AP2.

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>>17785128
nice pasta.

>>17785133
Buddy the AE86 was well known WAY before initial D.

>>17785136
>the best handling car in the pricerange in decades

hype is not a good technical explanation

http://www.onehotlap.com/2013/01/the-gt86-dilemma-fr-s-or-brz.html

>>17785154
But not that well known. I could have got one for 500 dollars in 2005.

>>17785183
By that point the initial D show was already half way if not past half way in most parts of the world.

Initial D boosted the popularity, but sure as fuck the car was already popular. In japan it was the equal to what the 240sx was in the US.

>>17785120
>being a shit ton more expensive
i no rite?
$9k (base price) in 1985 dollars is totally cheap compared to $25k today...

>>17785203
You don't understand how media works do you?

>>17785237
You seem to be retarded so let me explain this to you:


Initial D boosted the AE86 popularity.

AE86 was already popular beforehand.

Do you need crayons or are we clear?

>>17785107
>more famous
Maybe on gook cartoon worshiping forums sure

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>>17784941
at least you can buy it in other eu countries

>>17785120
it would have been fun to see them make a new sporty corolla with rwd to compete with hot hatches and especially the 1 series

>>17784695
passenger cant sit behind driver (seat too far back)
feet don't fit under seat (too close to the floor)

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>>17784744
>>17784788
width is no issue
nor is height

>>17784941
Man you Turks have it rough

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>>17784894
Because they want to keep it NA. Lmao do you actually believe it's because the engine is too wide? That's one of the funniest things I've read all week.

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>>17784941
wtf
I paid for mine 28k euro, and it's with manuel.

Where the hell do you live.

>>17784765
Wtf does this mean? What specifically cant you do because its a boxer? Your not going to make any decent power unless you get forged rod and low comp pistons and thats required pulling the engine anyway. A bolt on SC also makes easy power and it is in no way more difficult because its a boxer.

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>>17785561

Holland

Everything that is the slightest bit of fun get taxed to hell, all because achmed and his 7 kids need to get FREE housing, smartphones and other luxuries. This is the reason why I (and 90% of my countries workforce) drive small 1.2 liter shitboxes like pic related.

>>17785561
>>17785608
Same price in Norway. Toyota receives roughly the same amount of money per car, and the government takes the rest.
Import a car from a "cheaper" country, and they still demand you pay these taxes, even on well used cars that are several years old.

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>>17785608
>>17785619
And here i thought, toyobaru is a cheap, nice car for everyone.

>>17785022
>the new model is heavier than the 90's deathtrap
who would know

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>>17784744
>too wide to turbo

>>17784744
>too wide to turbo
Oh god.

>>17784695
I actually found that the power wasn't really an issue. I found that other things like the shitty interior were more important than many other things. The interior is extremely plastic and it's all cheaply done up and on the test drive many plastic parts were rattling and the road noise was awful compared to a civic imo. Also the sound system is worse than the wrx for some reason. Basically anything even remotely loud or had any amount of bass overtones sounded like shit and the speakers would start resonating which drowns out any and all sound quality. Using the radio or your own music at high way speeds is hard because there seems to be a fine line between sounding OK and sounding like shit which between the road noise makes it very very thin.

Also I'm very dissuaded that they put shitty prius tires on there instead of some real summer slicks. The car is about the same size as my civic and you'd think it'd come with tires suiting a sports car but it doesn't.

The handling is amazing this car had no problems with sharp quick turns and it's very difficult to upset the balance of the car since it's so low to the ground. The transmission is Subarus own and it's rock solid although I wish it revved higher. I disregard the lack of raw acceleration in the car because I know it wasn't made for straight lines but it definitely feels like it's lacking when you come to anythibg that's remotely a straight away. You won't be winning any red light duels with this.

The price imo is a little steep. This car isn't worth the 27k price tag and I wish it was 3k cheaper and I could warrant a new purchase. You can find one used about 2 years old for under 20k and since the car hadn't changed at all in the 5+ years it's been around you aren't missing out on anything new in the 2017 version I drove. Any change is mostly cosmetic with a few more safety features and the like, nothing big

>>17784744
Boi are you fucking stupid

The wrx has the same engine and it had a turbo. Never the less tons of other people have put turbos in theirs and they work amazingly

>>17784695
How fucking new are you? People were calling it the God Machine sarcastically

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I'm not sure why people keep call this car expensive. You could afford this car in a 10 dollar an hour job. It's 25k not 27k.

The Miata with the LSD are 28.8k so that right there doesn't even make them comparable to each other. In a straight line the 2 cars are the same speed. Not sure you guys have seen the numbers with the same rubber but the FRS/BRZ/86 beats it.

Now onto the so called "torque dip". From what I've seen on dyno charts there are a few NA cars with this so called dip so is it even relevant at this point?

The car is cheap RWD with decent performance. Stop being absolutely ridiculous.

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>>17784744
>Too wide to turbo

>>17785763
Furthermore, if you're going ham surely anons aren't so bad at choosing shift points that they'd shift back into the range of it, right?

All I learn from threads about the twins is that power is the only thing that matters to /o/

>>17784703
Lol no turbo

>>17785763
> $10/hr job
Yeah, if you live with your fucking parents.

>>17784695

The ND is superior as a performance platform in every way.

86 owners are also easy to pick on because most of them are young and don't know much about cars.

it's like talking to someone that considers themselves an "anime fan" when all they've watched is naruto and bleach

>>17785215
Adjusted for inflation the original 86 would cost $20,000 of today's money.

The difference people forget about is that it was actually a realistic amount of money for a younger person to afford in the 80s, and by the time the 90s rolled around you could get used examples to modify and track for way cheap compared to modern 86 prices. Obviously the modern one hasn't been around for long enough to tank in price but that's still a decade away and it's only going to get harder to make money.

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>>17785544
dude why would Turks even use euros?
also toyota doesnt even sell that shit here and the used ones go for around 29k

>>17784941

It's only 24k euro in Abu Dhabi

>>17785608
>blaming foreigners
>whole country votes for the same corrupt VVD/PVDA every 4 years

>>17785486
saved

>>17786993
upboated.

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>>17784744
>too wide to turbo

>>17786850

I didn't

oh really

>>17785641
>hey now cars have to be safe! that'll make them heavier but don't you want to be safe!
>why yes you may ride a 400lb, 150hp bicycle with about as much cornering grip as a honda civic on all seasons in nothing but swim trunks and a half-helmet, it's your life duderino

>>17784695
>60 grand for toyobaru
Thanks, but I think I'll take 1 year old m3/m5/m6/c63/cls63/amg gt with under 10k miles

>>17789976
It's 35k Australian.

>>17785310
Had a small following but not a great one, outside of Japan that is.

>>17785310
>>17789986
I'm actually old enough to remember btw.

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>>17784695
never Driven one. I like the idea of owning one.

Downsides. has no balls, not fun to drive slow, Shit interior, mods are a lot of money for short gains, Not a great price, Brakes fade fast, tires are shit.

Up sides: Great driver connection, fun to drive fast, great handling, some practicality. decent MPG for a sports car

As much as I think I would like to own the car something stops me from really having my heart in it. I would much rather have a Rx8 for 5k. Even though they are pretty similar on paper. RX8 has a way nicer interior, brakes, tyranny, handling, rev line.

At the end of the day I just think the price is too high for the FRS. The motor is boring. They really should of put a small v6 in. the boxer has shit noise, and a shit power curve.
If this thing had a vr6 is would be a god machine. I could live with the power, but it would gain so much with only 20-30 more HP.

>>17790639
Nobody cares, holy shit let this bait thread die already

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>>17790688
butthurt BRZ owners getting triggered.

>>17790639
>Unequal length headers (aftermarket)
>not the GOAT 4 cyl exhaust

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>>17790743
Again, Spending loads for minuscule gains.

the faggotry of BRZ fucks.

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>>17784759
>It's close to 30k and it's got the performance of a $100k

>>17790735
Don't even own one, it's upsetting seeing OP continue to constantly bump his shit thread to front page

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>>17790771
God,

Go spend 3k on tires and rims so you can gain .05 sec around the track; Watching Mustang Chad wipe the floor with you for way less.

>>17785085
Significantly more expensive car has more power shocker, read all about it.

>>17790770
I like gomunism!

>>17790795
Go spend some time looking for a job you nocar neet

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to be honest idk why anyone is complaining about the price.
they cost about the same as a vf sv6 commodore brand new.
seems about right for what you are getting.

>>17790762
Headers aren't that expensive, and I was just referring to sound. It's pretty highly optimized for N/A anyway, not much to do besides put an exhaust on it and get it tuned. Will probably use an N/A FA20 for my 818 build one day, but what sucks is that it has to be a Franken-engine with the WRX block and BRZ everything else to fit the STI transaxle.
>>17790795
>tires for 0.05 seconds
Do you even know anything about cars? There's a reason a spec tire is almost always enforced for road racing. Tires are the most important thing for going fast around a track.

>>17785548
>>Why do you think supercharging is more popular?
>Because they want to keep it NA.
Are you retarded or what

>>17785121
Inflation adjusted the base S2000 was a little more than the Z4 2.8i 8 speed auto. It was not as people seem to think a cheap car.

>>17790817
I'd buy a V8 VE before considering a V6 VF
But I'm a burger so if I want one of those it's a bit difficult to find a decent G8 GT

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>>17790840
Just saying sounds about right as far as new prices go for what you are getting with your money.
as far as spending over 15 grand on a car goes if i was doing that id be buying a VZ HSV clubsport r8.
be a nice upgrade from the VY SS.

>>17790825

You seem to be the one who can't infer what he meant. Are you autistic?

>>17790910
Supercharging is forced induction. If a car has FI, it by nature CANNOT be NA.
There's nothing to infer. If you're going to talk about something you know nothing about don't be surprised when someone calls you out on being wrong.

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>>17790810
>>17790818
>>17790743
This really is BRZ/FRS Owner Triggering the thread.

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>>17790983
You have somewhere to be soon

>>17785332
And pay the difference in taxes and registration fees when you attempt to register it in your home country.

>>17790986
you retards can't take any criticism. Fucking boy racers who would be ricers 10 years ago.

>>17790983
How poorly were you raised that "triggering" people all day pretending to be retarded is fun? Were you diagnosed with brain problems ever?

>>17791059
>criticism
Daily bait threads bumped to front page by autistic OP

>>17790825
>>17790976
He's saying Subaru hasn't turboed it because they want to keep it N/A. That's what he's referring to. Supercharging by owners is more popular than turbo because it keeps the powerband more like that of an N/A car.

>>17785097
>the successor to a popular Toyota is a Subaru

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>>17784941
The problem with the GT86 is that it is marginally faster than a bolt-on 240sx and those are driven by the target market of the GT86. You could build a god machine for the cost of a 200hp GT86.

I just bought a new BRZ. It's faster than anything else I've driven but I didn't prioritize speed. I wanted a smaller, nimble, rwd, good handling, driver centric, fun to drive car that I think looks good. Besides the miata I can't think of any other car that has what I was looking for new.

>>17791950
>You could build a god machine for the cost of a 200hp GT86.
Yeah but you should start with a C5 for that

>>17791950
>>17792076
>Le used car vs new car meme
Fools

>>17792076
I'm not that much into Citroens.

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>>17792103
C6 is much better anyway desu

>>17792110
All the 20th cent Citroens are better.

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>>17792090
There's nothing wrong if you like the car.

>>17792478
Those cars all make ALOT more power and cost ALOT more when new

>>17792497
Aren't you a bright one.

>>17792504
Why are they compared in a drag race, Is that very important to you?

>>17792513
I'm comparing their stats. They all handle well. Extra power is an advantage. Also an ingredient for fun.
So wouldn't it be a smart to pay less for something that was valued higher at its time and still is superior for the current time? The point was that the new car isn't even close to be a bargain when compared to the pre-owned market. Again - there's nothing wrong if you like the car.

>>17792497
the turbo mr2 cost just as much when it first came out and only cost 3000 more by the end of its lifespan, not to mention theyre a 1/3rd of the price nowadays for a mint condition example
how embarassing

>>17792604
No, I'd prefer something new that wasn't beat to piss or poorly maintained
>>17792633
The mr2 was also alot cheaper to produce in 1991, not really embarrassing when an older car is faster in straight line

>>17792723
>an older car is faster in straight line
And on track.

>>17792795
You'd spin out before beating anyone on a track kiddo, the car is a literal tin can with little to no safety features or emissions holding it back. Why should I care or be surprised that a turbo mr2 is faster?

>>17792815
>Why should I care or be surprised that a turbo mr2 is faster?
I don't know but for some reason you seem pretty butthurt.

>>17792852
Butthurt I am not, I find it funny how people like you bump obvious bait threads with the poorest of quality content/comparisons. Use a little more effort on that MS paint

>>17792861
An insult attempt on the internet makes me think that you are pretty tough.

>>17792910
No, no. An insult would be calling you an edgy benchracer but you're not so bad, remember to stick to .jpg's!

>>17792933
>remember to stick to .jpg's!
Why?

>>17785021

A lot of the people who complain about the car have never driven one and likely can't afford one, so they come here and post lap charts to make themselves feel better.

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>>17784744
>too wide to turbo
Tonns of turbo and supercharger kits proove you wrong
>too high compression stock
Just add another headgasket, these things are usually cheap as fuck.
>Needs premium for 200hp
That is due to the high compression ratio, wich allows the engine to be more efficient.
>Stock tune has torque dip
A OBDII programmer isn´t expensive and neither is a megasquirt ECU.
But if you drive somewhat sporty, you won´t go under 4600 rpm anyway.
>put shitty tires on just to get it to be "fun"
They need to comply to fleet consumption regulations, wich is why they had to make it more efficient.
Since new tires are the first thing to change on a car anyway, they used cheap and efficient ones.
Also the only reson the AE-86 was somewhat good was its handling, it had barely more than half the power of the GT-86.
The AE-86 sucks on the Nürburgring, the only thing these cars are good at are corners and the ability to tune them.
Put some decent alloys and tires on the GT-86 and it will outcorner pretty much anything.
If you want straight line performance, get a different car.
This one was never meant to go fast in the straight.

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>>17785136
>literally have to get in a porsche or 50k+ cars to get the same level of handling performance

nope

>>17793210
>ND Miata
>also 2L
>also rwd
>also known for lack of power

It is like evo vs impreza, 2 cars desinged for a simmilar task, one boxer, one inline.

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>>17793210

>>17786145
>The ND is superior as a performance platform in every way.

Bar performance, a maximum of 155hp, less torque at every point in the rev range and a gear box that explodes second gear if you hard launch on stock power.

>>17794235
Oh now you have done it, all the triggered Miata fags will be digging out the 0.01 second faster laptime they like to cherry pick.

>>17794235
those numbers are all close enough that all the reasons for buying one over the other are subjective

>>17794294
It would have been a much clearer win for the FR-S if they hadn't had the $4k TRD bodykit on the car making it $28k vs $33k as you can get a lot of Potenza S001s (the Miata club standard fitment rubber) for five grand to replace the Michelin Primacy low grip setup.

>>17794307
I'd like to see a comparison with them both on the same tyres.

>>17794235
Both great cars.
I had to make a choice between an ND Club and GT86 both priced around 23k. Reason I picked the ND
>Prices were about equal (ND was $500 less but had a bit more mileage)
>Transmission in ND I found to be """""funner""""" b/c of the short ratio
>2 seats over 4 was a pro for me since people are always scabbing rides, also I have a corolla DD
>cargo volume - negligible to me since I have a DD and truck
>weight was a huge draw
>HP/weight ratio is pretty close
>torque seemed more accessible across the range in the miata, maybe because of both the weight and ratio
>negligible diff in acceleration on paper, both are fun though
>top speed/lap times - never going to hit that where I live anyway

other things I've noticed
>steering response in both seemed to be about even

both are great accessible and reliable cars. I recommend both, but in the end the miata fit my current wants/needs. >>17794294 is right, it's close enough to be subjective.
After owning the miata about a month here are a few negatives
>cabin noise
>it really is small, no lanklet passengers with the top up
>infotainment is meh
>stock suspension seems too soft, currently running koni adjustible shocks and added a swaybar
>seems like I'd have to deal with a lot less maintenance if I went with the 86
>being called a fag for driving one really isn't a meme

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>>17784941

>>17785021
The S2000 was also 60% more expensive than the BRZ.

>>17784695
Basically it won a record number of car of the year awards and /o/ realized they couldn't afford it especially with the very low depreciation so they got out the jar of salty jelly and went to town.

>>17794350
still costs more than a slightly used s2000

>>17784698
My main complaint is the lack of torque, the engine feels gutless.

>>17792815
>driving is hard
>old cars are yucky
fucking normies

>>17794580
I'll happily pay triple that for a five year old S2000 with less than 20k on the clock.

>>17796780
>I'll happily pay triple that for a five year old S2000
wat?
>>17791950

>>17784695
I find mine fun and I think I'm going to keep it for a while.

>>17794324
>since people are always scabbing rides

This is so fucking true.

>>17798795
the worst is
>oh anon is going that way, he can take you
fuck off, mate I wanna drive alone so I can sing power metal at the top of my lungs

>>17797960
More than 5 years old.

>>17799024
>I wanna drive alone so I can sing power metal at the top of my lungs
Do that with the passengers as well, if they don't like it they will stop asking.