Thoughts on the MR2?

snap oversteer
5sfe is pure shit
3sge isn't worth the money to swap, 3sgte is ok if it ccame with it.
16v 4age is crap, 20v is ok when you can find them cheap
a honda k eries is suppsedly an easy swap if you have an sw20

those are for beaked out mid-engine adrenaline junkies who wanted to chuck jolt cola and stare down the grim reaper every rainy interstate off-ramp

>>17780671
what would you recommend as an affordable (around $5k) Japanese pocket rocket?

>>17780660
MK2 are the cheapest but most people will agree you need to splash out for a GT-S model or put your own turbo on it.
You'll spend most of your time waiting for a decent example to come up.

A lot of it will depend on where in the world you live.

>>17780672
>jolt cola
that sounds pretty tasty desu

>>17780688
A 1st gen Z car that needs work with an L28ET swapped in

>>17780688
Honda Civic

>>17780694
Non existant where I live.
I found one with a busted engine, some voodoo exhaust thrown on to it, shitty custom side mirrors.

Apparently the guy selling it knows of people who are going to throw a 4th generation 3-gtse.

It could put me down 3 or 4 grand for the car itself, 1.8 or 1.9 grand for importing the engine and 500 in labor for the swapping.

Anyone think this is a good deal, the mechanic I brought by just said to walk away, way too much trouble for what its worth.

Sucks not living in the states.

>>17780672
RCR pls

Mk1 for dangerous fun.
Mk2 for rice rocketing.
Mk3 for the trash can.

>>17781963
>Mk3 for the trash can.
but this is wrong tho

>>17780671
Snap oversteer isn't an issue that you face if you have literally any experience with the MR platform and know what throttle control and weight transfer is.

I practiced driving SW20s in simulators long before I got my own '93 turbo, and even with it being tuned to ~300 whp, I have never gotten any hint of even liftoff oversteer because I am not an autist.

This guy is right when he says the 5s-fe is pure shit
If you are a Euro or Nip/live in a country (like NZ) with a bunch of imported cars, the 3S-GE is a fantastic engine, especially the BEAMS variant.

The 3S-GTE is the only engine that belongs in the SW20 other than the 3S-GE

Disregard the 3S-FE

The 4A-GE never came with the SW20 to my knowledge.

People who K-swap are degenerates and should be ignored.

It is incredible to drive. Best car for under $15k imo

(actually best car period in my humble opinion)

>>17782139
Let's imagine a driving error. In a situation where the MR2 oversteers, is it just harder to catch than in other vehicles or are you basically fucked and can just hop you spin out without hitting anything?

>>17780660
latest /v/ meme car.

>>17782154
It is much, much harder to catch, but it can be done.

>>17782139
>People who K-swap are degenerates and should be ignored.
That's not fair criticism. I get where you're coming from, keeping the same block in it's designated car sure, but the K20 engine is excellent, the heads flow a lot of air and there is immense capabilities for modding.
Face it, the 3s-gte is a great engine but it's old. The 2zz trumps it in comparison if you were to turbocharge it.

I am not saying the 3s-gte is bad, but you can't insult people who seek better solutions to things.

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>>17782522
The 2ZZ isn't all that good. I'd say it's about equal to the 3S-GTE in terms of tuning potential.

I'm not saying the K20 is a bad engine, in fact, I was actually looking for a clean one to throw in a Toyota Pickup with a 22re that has a blown headgasket. They're amazing engines that can be tuned to make insane power.

I am simply a biased purist, and I have to be if I want the SW20 to remain unmolested. There aren't exactly many of them left, as only like 23k were sold in North America total, and plenty of them have been crashed, ruined, or otherwise destroyed.

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recently picked one up for £700, gonna be a fun project. needs a bit of restoration work as well as all the modifications

>>17780672
Don't threaten me with a good time

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>>17782911
i think i saw this on autotrader

>>17782154
when it oversteers just don't let off the throttle to stabilize it. because when you do the weight transfer will be much more violent and your countersteer needs to be almost instant to catch it.

when the rear gives out just stay on the throttle (obviously not WOT) and counter steer to counteract it. you sort of do the opposite of what you'd expect to do in the situation which is why it catches a lot of people out

>>17780660
I DD a n/a MK2 MR2, it actually isn't bad, its still really fun to drive, but it isn't fast not by a long shot, but it still manages to make me smile whenever I want it too.

>>17782139
>93
wasn't that the year they fixed the snap oversteer issues? I think it was the 91 and 92 that had those issues

>>17784235
Yes, but I neglected to mention that I owned a '91 Turbo that I traded for this current SW20 + some cash.

The problem supposedly wasn't ever completely gone, but severely lessened.

My '91 turbo never had any issues with snap oversteer either, and it was my 1st car.

>>17783525
The MR2 isn't a special snowflake in this regard, just a special snowflake in its tendency to oversteer in the first place.

Miatas and other well balanced, short wheelbase cars are best corrected the same way. If you let off the gas, or god forbid, brake in an oversteering miata you're in for a bad time.

>>17784301
I personally would snap oversteer on a 91 but most likely wouldn't on a 93. I've have snap understeered my honda civic. Shows how much of a shit driver I am.

I love these cars because they're a shitter killer just like earlier Porche 911s that were arguably even worse for oversteer because of their heavy RR layout.

>>17782139
Would you recommend the second gen MR2 to tall drivers? I'm 6'8" which is already a problem in some cars. I'm fairly thin so mostly leg room and head room is problematic.

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>Want to get 1gen MR2
>finding one is a bitch
>it will most likely be in poor conditions and need lot of restoration
I just want to have fun, but I feel like this is a dream that wont come true for a long while.

>>17786279
>found a low-miles 93 turbo for $7k on craigslist
>have 5 more years of school until I can actually make money
kill me tbqhwyfampai

>>17786130
Absolutely not. It is from the era where Nip cars were absolutely tiny, especially sports cars.

I'm 5'11 and have don't have much room left.

>>17786130
I'm 6'3" and pretty gangly, I fit in an sw20 with room to spare
Captcha: taller only

handles worse than miata, less reliable because of forced induction (assuming turbo, unless N/A, in which instance it's pitifully slow), maintenance nightmare when anything goes wrong on the firewall or timing side of the engine, and is unstable in anything other than dry weather. most rwd japanese cars of the period can be made faster and more capable for far less labor and time investment. they look cool but from an engineering standpoint, they're lackluster. the AW11 is the best of the three.

>>17787957
>>17787852
God damnit, there goes my dream. Seems like I'll always be stuck with more "premium" vehicles but I hate how heavy most of them are.

I want an aw /o/. From what I've read the slush box is terrible unless you have the supercharger, which adds 50-100kg in transmission and other bullshit and only gives you an extra 10-20kw and a bit of torq for it. Plus more shit to go wrong. 5-speed n/a masterrace is the way to go right

>>17780660
Whenever i read MR2, i internalise it as Mr 2 and it drives me nuts.

>>17781598
Unless you can do an engine swap at home and have a second car you should walk away.

>>17781963
Mk3 for supreme touge autism

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Not bad looking. Average cabin. Often open diff. Turbo models sit and cook thanks to poor air flow and front mounted radiator (16 litres of coolant and just as many bleed points).
Eh/10

Pic unrelated

>>17780795
Also then they can begin the quest of trying to find a diesel maxima so they can get the LD28 crank and make it a stroker project.

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>>17786279

>Not having fun restoring your own car and then owning the kiddos at autocross that show up in their FRS

>>17791260
front mounted radiator means it gets better airflow, that's why it was designed that way

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>>17780660

>>17781963
>MK3 for the trash can

This is wrong

>>17780671
Has a 1zzfe swap ever been done? It seems like a nice engine.

Recently picked up a 91 turbo, haven't been driving it to hard until i can start upgrading parts. Honestly as long as you don't drive around like a jack ass and remember not to slow into corners you'll be fine.

>>17792476
1zz-fe? as in the corolla motor they put in the ZZW-30?

why would anybody bother

>>17792617
this
you're putting the engine into an even heavier car
like literally why

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>>17792638
> decides a car isn't good despite never having driven one

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>>17780660

I like mine.

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>>17787397
feel ya senpai

>>17792705
ill give you 2k cash

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>>17792738
its getting fixed after this. just finished an evo in similar condition

>>17792747
why so fucking messy, though?
a hurricane come through?

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>>17792754
sat since 2008 because reasons. i'm fixing them all to better than when they were on the road for the owner. just got done with this evo that sat outside the whole time with no seats and a window cracked, and it's looking and running great.

just switched to a modded rom and tuned it, the launch maps (with a -10 timing and 10.2 afr island where the 2step sits) with bang bang antilag, and no lift shift make such a huge difference. car makes 20psi the first bang and 25psi the second, launched it in the rain in testing today and it stayed in that island banging away against the 2step with the wheels spinning for a good 2 seconds, i felt like i was playing dirt 2. i love evo now??

it also simulates the rear o2 sensors and heater signal, and i can set the emissions monitors to availible pass or fail wether or not the car even came with it... passed emissions with flying colors. i love rom modding

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>>17792787
bay with titanium IC piping

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>>17792792
as it looks now

>>17792787
how much for gze brah

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>>17792800
engine was stolen out of the car unfortunately. am planning on going with a camry v6 with a trd s/c if i can find it

titanium intercooler piping from ETS. shit is BEAUTIFUL in person

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>>17792810
how did they steal the fucking motor lol

>>17792827
sitting since 2008 in a shitty shed

>>17780671
>snap oversteer
Stopped reading there

>>17791273
Slaya BTFO

>>17792713
really pretty. you ever been pulled over for that license plate position?

>>17792689
guy who's actually driven one here
it was a blast
its gonna be my next car

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>>17780660

I just got a ZZW30 with a 2ZZ swap.

It's a fucking BLAST.

It really turns heads too

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gee i dont know otard, how about you consult the billions of threads on /o/ right now that are shitted up with MR2posters just how great they are

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>>17792810
wonder where you went. good work

>>17793156
thread 2moro

>>17780672
this fits me perfectly but I can't do caffeine because I get unbearably hyper

>>17793156
heres a preview
https://youtu.be/GywdZlnee3U

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>mine
>>17780671
>snap oversteer
opinion discarded, confirmed never driven one
>>17780672
lol sure, there's fun in that
>>17781963
mk1 is dangerous fun, agreed. mk2 is fast. mk3 is the best handler
>>17782139
agreed except k20s are legitimately good swaps
>>17782154
it is harder to catch, not impossible... actually kind of easy like >>17783525 described
>>17782522
nobody normally turbos the high compression 2zz? and yeah the 3sgte is awesome, top secret Supra and Castrol Tom's Supra used them
>>17782739
>2zz equal in tuning potential
well ones from the Celica gts or any Toyota (NOT THE LOTUS VARIANT WHICH IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT) are pretty much at their limit from the factory
>>17782911
neat, toss those 14s in the bin for some wide and light 16s, changes the handling a lot for the better
>>17784235
yes and no, 91s don't magically spin out and 93+ doesn't magically stay always straight. I believe the only big change was related to the toe arms but in reality the wider and larger wheels/tires and different alignment specs from the yearly revisions is what made all the difference. And in this day and age youd probably be putting on some decently sized wheels and far superior tires than they had in the 90's where the car was originally and wrongly given the "snap oversteer" title
>>17784311
>>>17783525
>The MR2 isn't a special snowflake in this regard, just a special snowflake in its tendency to oversteer in the first place.
>Miatas and other well balanced, short wheelbase cars are best corrected the same way. If you let off the gas, or god forbid, brake in an oversteering miata you're in for a bad time.
>>17784311
very true, the characteristic is present even in FWD cars and most importantly in all MR cars, the MR2 happens to be quicker to spin due to the shorter wheelbase BUT, that does not make it a bad car or a bad handling car. Look at a lotuses size for example.
>>17787992
I can tell you've never driven or worked on one, please just stay in your miata threads

>>17793946
anon your car is actually fucking beautiful what state has the privilege of seeing such a car grace its roads

>>17789971
the supercharger ain't Jack shit honestly, the normal 4age is plenty peppy

>>17792889

Thanks bro. Here's a side shot with Advans in view. Never been pulled over the last 2 years of running it, but it's a weekend car and not a typical yobs hatchback. Either way I cable/zip tie it to the front if needed. This was a temporary look till I figured out where I wanted it but ended up sticking it up on the dash as the cars lines look much better.

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>>17793946
As someone who owns an SW20, what is it like to actually work on one then? Is it a nightmare?
Are most things doable if you don't have a garage or the means to drop the engine?
I want one, but my biggest concern would be working on it.

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>>17794852
working on a 300zx, 3000gt, and nsx is worse. lemme tell ya, the only ones with nightmare stories are people who've never worked on one and those who like to complain and blame everything else.
So, what's it like to work on one? mmkay, imagine a tall rav4 and then flip it backwards, Viola~
Why a rav4? well, sometimes you'll have to bend over into the engine bay (OH NO THE END OFF THE WORLD AM I RIGHT?!!?!!?) and a rav4 is a lil high in height so it's relatively the same perspectthe only "nightmarish" thing I've ever had to do was drop the fuel tank which required me to nearly lay in the engine bay to disconnect some fuel lines, no biggie. Some retards and for some reason the forums suggest that you drop the engine to change the alternator and or timing belt, VERY untrue. literally just remove 2 10mm bolts and tiny cover to the right of the engine lid and you're golden.
In some cases, working on it is even easier than most cars, pretty much imagine a backwards Corolla if you're doing suspension. Simply put, think smarter instead of working harder and it's a piece of cake.
>>17793951
hiiiiiiii, North Carolina. thank you
>>17794445
neat

>>17795021
Thanks for the response! I'm gonna go for it. Just waiting for a good one to pop up now.

>>17795105
no problem man, I know all the mr2s and everything about them. DD a 2nd gen turbo, have driven the NAs, built a 2zzge 3rd gen, and raced with an aw11 mk1a/b. Have seen all kinds of builds and know the community/market inside and out, it's a wonderful community.
If you have anymore questions I gotchu senpai

>>17780660
My brother wrapped it around a tree and killed himself before I got a chance to drive it, but it seemed cool.

>>17795270
not him, but I recently brought an mr2 turbo. I want to replace the stock rims. What would you suggest and also put a more aggressive exhaust on it. My budget is $500. I was looking at the rpf1s but they are 800 dollars. Are there any good budget rims out there?

>>17797032
if you got the money, Berk exhaust + downpipe from campos is the most popular go to. not too loud and not too droney on the highway. BUT, very honestly the $100 eBay exhaust is very functional as it's a turbo engine ofc.
for $500 I'd recommend getting stock wheels from other cars or a used set, RSX/RSX type s or R32 GT-R wheels are perfect and for used wheels any konig, kosei, and enkei set will do.
I prefer running 16s on my car and no bigger than 17s. Offset should be from around +45 to +35 and wheel stagger is a MUST! if not then staggered tires might do. The fronts will be maxed out at a 8in wide wheel up front and the rear view can get a lot wider but 9" in the rear with 8" in the front is perfect. On stock suspension you can't a profile larger than 45 when running 16" and 17" wheels so keep that in mind

I run 16x8 205/45s up front and 16x9 225/45s rear and its perfect for me.

>>17797152
thanks dood this is really helpful

>>17797152
I was thinking of running 15s on the front and 16s on the back. Will it look weird?

>>17797428
15s and 17s*
https://superbuytires.com/wheel/Katana/KR21.html
katana kr21 I can get rpf1 look alikes for 350 but they only come in 15s and 17s

>Miata>mr2

>>17794445
Surreal. Looks like a videogame.
very nice photo

>>17797918
>be miata
>get absolutely wrecked in class by a mister2.
>can't out track it, auto-x, toegay it.
:3

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>>17797475
I'd just buy the 17s square and stagger the tires
that wheel stagger will change the handling pretty awkwardly
>>17797918
just nah

>>17797032
Ive been eyeing some 300zx turbo wheels if your looking for a sort of stock look. They usually run 5-600 a set

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>>17797918
dude my mr2 eats miatas all DAY on the track

>>17798172
>>17798452
Round the track faster =/= better

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>>17798660
Anyone can drive a Miata fast though. It's so easy that it gets boring quickly.

If you drive an SW20 fast, you stare death in the face every time you hit the limit. It's a feeling that cannot be recreated.

There's also a satisfaction that you get from driving a car that's supposed to be a 90's MR deathtrap.

Most people prefer the looks of the MR2, no matter the gen, to the Miatas of the same time period (NA, NB, NC).

If the Miata can't out track it, out auto cross it, or out touge it, and it doesn't even offer the same amount of fun, I think it's safe to say that MR2>Miata

>>17798823
>sw20
why even compare them the miata is so slow its unfair
better off comparing it to an aw11 which left production before the miata even started, at least the miata has a chance in that comparison

>>17780660
Good cars.
Haven't seen aw11's around that much but SW20 early models are good with or without turbos.
Just solid, good, fun cars. Need lot of work.
zzw30 is the best but the only reason people hate i is because it looks """gay"""

>>17791273
You won't beat an FRS especially in any gen that isn't third.
On tight kart tracks zzw30 can easily compete with same skill level driver in a turbo but if we're talking real tracks, FRS is real hard to catch up to.
But I haven't tried for a few months, once my coils get here I'll see if I can catch that BRZ

On the street tho zzw30 easily gets ahead of other mr2's as long as it's twisty.

>tfw finding a 93 turbo is impossible
>tfw finding a 93+ is impossible, period

>>17800703
93+ turbos suck anyway

>>17800747
why's that?

>>17800747
Please explain, it's not like they got update over the older one.

>>17800747
retard
>>17800703
just upgrade the turbo to the gen 3 ct20b

Is there much documentation on a 2ZZ swap for the AW11?

>>17786130
A 1988 Fiero with sick mawdz might be up your alley. Those are supposed to be good for tall people.

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The Sw20 is trash compared to the other models. Ive had an Aw11 and it had wonderful weight distribution and handling even eithout me doing anything, if i wanted more out of it I would have swapped in a high revving 20v engine and try for a 6 speed with close gearing if i could find one.
Thats a lot of money though so i sold it and bought an fc that was a good price. Now if I was to ever do another mr2 it would 100% be a mrs. Combines the weight of an nb miata with the handling of an aw11 and a yamaha built engine that revs to 9k.
The bmost capable cars for my local mountain in my opinion are 6 speed nb miatas or a built mrs.
tldr zzw30>aw11>sw20

>>17798823
>Anyone can drive a Miata fast though. It's so easy that it gets boring quickly.

this is so stupid and the rest of your post makes it clear you are just as stupid. if its easy to learn then that means the ceiling for skill will be that much higher. it is the basic, simple, balanced sports car and because of that you could get so much higher if you stuck with the car for a decade.
Id leave you in the dust if you were in an sw20 and I was in my 6 speed nb with 4.3 diff

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https://slo.craigslist.org/cto/d/1988-toyota-mr2-super-charger/6281524937.html

What do you guys think?

>>17802064
>autotragic
thats what i think

>>17801842
How's the hair styling business thesedays

>>17802195
the only thing people are ever able to say about the cars. Sucks youre not able appreciate performance because a car looks a certain way.
Mind showing me some cars you do like?

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>>17802300
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>>17802300
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>>17802300
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>>17802300
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>>17802300
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>>17780660
Current /o/ meme car. Move along.

>>17780671
Put a beams redtop in it.

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>>17802300

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>>17802437
>Current
Isn't it always a meme car? It's depreciated enough to be affordable, has popups and boxy 90s aesthetics, and it's got a fairly exotic layout compared to the usual "what cheap rwd is gud" cars.

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>>17802300
.,.

>>17801842
literally what

the 1zz redlines at under 7k

try again hair dresser

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>>17801898
You are so fucking wrong. If it's easy to learn, that just means that the car is easy to drive. Not that the skill cap is much higher.

There's only so much you can do with less than 150 horsepower.

The Rev 3 SW20 GT-S (Jap version of USDM turbo variant) is a Ferrari 348 killer and a rival to the NSX. You can't say that about a stock Miata.

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>>17802825
>The Rev 3 SW20 GT-S (Jap version of USDM turbo variant) is a Ferrari 348 killer and a rival to the NSX

>>17802874
>he doesn't know

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>>17802940
I'm not joking. The 94+ MR2 SW20 Rev 3 GT-S had a faster 1/4 mile than the JZA80 Supra, NSX NA1, and Ferrari 348.

~240-250 HP on a 2600-2700 lbs car is pretty fast. Granted, the NSX, Ferrari, and Supra were all slightly faster around Tsukuba.

>>17800758
>>17800791
>>17801302
bigger wheels and bigger brakes, but a suspension "upgrade" for normies (read: bad drvers) to keep them from snap oversteering

luckily, it's easy to move the wheels and brakes over to the 91 and 92 models

>>17801842
you need a 2zz swap to rev that high, BUT, the mr-s handles better than an AW11 or sw20

>>17801898
> if it's easy to learn that means the ceiling for skill will be that much higher

so you mean that F1 cars are easier to learn than a random auto shitbox?

>>17802094
Do you mean you think it's a piece of crap after being there for so long, or because it is a family car? I think it's the latter, but still. It doesn't seem neglected.

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>>17795021
Anon, what wing is that on your SW? I need that on my 91.

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As a person who has drove a b-13 98' sentra for all of my driving years, what feeling will I get when I buy a 5S-FE sw-20?

Will I notice anything notable in the power department? What about fuel economy?

>>17803271
it's a TRD wing from the widebody kit, looks awesome on a slim body imo but you don't see them often for some reason
>>17802825
>>17802874
>>17802997
except this guy is right
https://youtu.be/JiBnGrf5-IM
https://youtu.be/FFEi-0Rx6J0
Miatas aren't even in a comparable class unless we're talking 1st or 3rd gen so stop it
>>17803009
yup, like I said here >>17793946
People pay and charge some pretty retarded amounts for newer revision models when all it really takes is a wheel/tire + sway bars (yes 93+ upgraded to like 1 or 2mm larger and it made a world of a difference) and brake upgrade if you want.

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slow but fun

>>17803317
It will feel pretty gutless, but it will still handle incredibly well.

Fuel economy should be ok too, but if you are buying an MR2 for fuel economy and not for fun, what are you doing.

Sure, W30s supposedly can get 40+ MPGs, but not when you are actually having fun.

>>17803605
Im getting it for the fun sure, just not turbo fun.
I can't afford a good turbo, so I'd rather get a good n/a

There is a 92 for sale near me for only $2000. I was tempted but then saw they weigh 2700 lbs. Not really worth the trouble as a project car imo

>>17803777
where does all the fat from a compact twoseater like this come from even?

>>17803777
I like how you read on the Wikipedia that they can weigh up to 2700lb based on the highest trim level and decided that was how much all of them weigh

>>17798176
what if I buy the 15s square and stagger the tires 15 and 16 or 16 and 17?

>>17780688
Turbo miata

Gay as fuck and slow as shit. Only jew would want one.

>>17801401
Yes, multiple step by step guides

>>17802815
7.5k but nice try.

reminder that team spirit with stock 2zz is the fastest car around hot version touge.

>>17780660
I liked mine.
It was just loud in the freeway
Louder inside the car than outside
Trucks would blind me with their headlights
The trunk was actually useful
Leaky t-tops
Easy to work on
Really fun to drive

>>17804863
You sound like a Mexican kid speaking in broken english after his first trip to 9gag.

>>17805938
sounds about right lol
It was ironically quieter with the t-tops off than to drive with the windows up

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>>17798033

Thanks, bumping thread with more from this shoot I did after it returned from the paint shop. If any one wants to replicate these photo's you need a nice long fast portrait lens on a Full Frame body. It makes the car pop from the background whilst the distance keeps the cars proportions correct. Almost medium format style....105mm F2

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>>17806687
AW11 love