Is it ever actually faster to drift through a corner than maintain

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Do you ever see actual race cars drift?

Its a huge meme for people in shitboxes who corner so slow anyway that drifting doesnt make a big difference.

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>>17773486
rally cars dorifto

>>17773486
>Do you ever see actual race cars drift?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzXJwiWsvNE

>>17773475
very rarely. If you have a tight hairpin it is sometimes quicker to let the back end swing round (in FWD cars this can be done with a Scandinavian flick) but this is most common in rallying/time attacks

It's not about being faster, it's about using more road to prevent getting overtaken and fuck up the others' driving lines. On a circuit this doesn't work too well since the road is wide enough, but on a narrow pass...
And when your lines get fucked, drifting behind the other one is pretty much the easiest way to keep up, since you can't take the corner normally anymore.

>>17773475
On normal race tracks, yes, grip is faster.

The thing with Initial D is that it's exclusively about racing in the mountains of Japan, which are filled with really tight hairpins where drifting would actually benefit the driver. Drifting is used when the turning radius of a corner is sharper than the turning radius of your car, and it's used a lot in rally races.

In short, grip is faster most of the time unless you're on a really tight, narrow track like the ones shown in the show and/or doing a rally race but also with a car that simply can't grip through the corner at a fast enough pace.

>>17773486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCqwBbdhljE

>>17773475
>Is it ever actually faster to drift
Yeah
But most of the time, it's not

>>17773486
In circuit racing, no, because they don't really have any consecutive hairpins like in rally or something

However
>drifting at any time is just a huge meme
You're dumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYKjmTOPObI

A perfectly executed drift will be faster through a corner every time. The problem is that the risk outweighs the potential reward in nearly every situation, certainly at track speeds. The idea is that Dagumi is so much more skilled than his peers he's confident he can drift perfectly on his home course at shitbox speeds. At pro speeds, with the exponentially greater effect of so many variables it quickly becomes pointless.

Get on this guys level /o/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXyFsN7LniU

>>17774770
>a perfectly executed drift will be faster through a corner every time
Literally, unironically, flat-out wrong.

>>17773519
>it's about using more road to prevent getting overtaken and fuck up the others' driving lines.
Then Takumi should have been the grippo god, since he never drove against another person until the start of the series.

>>17774873
>cornering faster than it's possible to hold traction isn't faster than holding traction

>>17773524
I don't see a single drift in that video.

All I see is powersliding.

>>17774904
That would be a powerslide.
>>17773505
It's not drifting when it's off-road

The main reason you don't see drifting in motorsports is because motorsports generally are endurance races where the life of the tires matters and drifting wears the tires down faster.

Could drifting actually work out to be faster when corners don't have straights after them?

On a circuit you want to maximize exit speed because going fast on the straight saves more time than entering a corner faster. But if the corners are consecutive, maybe a high entry speed can pay off?

>>17774930
Also very true. Even sprint races are too long for drifting.

>>17773475
Gary McCoy from MotoGP fame would regularly drift against his competition who would just follow a standard line. I think the way he did it is just to "finish" corners, rather than taking it to the steering stem and just going in sideways.

>>17775296
McCoy spent 8 years in GP500/MotoGP, and won 3 (three) races in that time.

>>17775296
>I think the way he did it is just to "finish" corners, rather than taking it to the steering stem and just going in sideways.
Powersliding.

>>17775324
Thanks for that fact?

>>17775349
Yah, he would drift and powerslide. But what i'm saying is that he wouldn't go full supermoto/flattrack.

>>17775522
No, he would just powerslide

Why not both?

>>17774770
Not correct.

If you mean the slip angle of the grip about being used to maximize forward grip while doing light sideways grip, that thing is not only hard as fuck to execute but still loses some forward power in the slide and as tire tech advances the slip area gets smaller and smaller until its just better for cars not to drift. That's what you see in F1 through the generations.

On top of that, anything less than a locked differential will mean that drifting a car, even in what you previously stated, would make you lose speed.

>>17773520
is 100% right.

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>>17775615
Oold race cars were slid around corners, even into the days where they had big fat slick tires. The Tyrell P34 cornered fastest while sliding and even now with modern cars and tire compounds it's faster to dance on the edge of grip than it is to take the corner with no oversteer at all.
When the back tires start to approach their limit, you can start to steer the car with the throttle, which, obviously, reduces the turn radius. At the same time, the driver getting on the throttle before the apex of the corner maximizes the time on throttle coming out of the corner, which is the key to a fast exit, provided he can walk the fine line between turning and skidding.

>>17773520
/thread

>>17773475
It depends on your skills. Everyone is not tsuchiya

>>17774897
He was driving on the shittiest junkyard tires you could find.

>>17773475
Tsuchiya started drifting around corners in order to be showy and make races more exciting. He was too fast and races became boring. Drifting around the corners added entertainment value (for himself and viewers), and because it is slower around corners, allowed slower racers to close the gap a little bit.

Drifting is almost always slower.

>>17777141
even Tsuchiya himself said that drifting through a corner is definitely not the fastest way (but the most exciting)

Drifting is faster, if you vector your torque correctly.

>>17773475
Mythbusters tested this. I forget the conclusion. Look it up.

>>17777908
it was flawwed because they got one of them MUH SIKK ANGLE BRUH drifters.

of course SIKK ANGLE BRUH drifting is slower

but we are talking about shallow drifting here