What's America's problem with wagons? Why are

>>17651957
SUVs are considered trucks, and are held to less stringent taxing and fuel economy standards. Plus, women feel safer when they sit high up.

>>17651957
muh suv

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>>17651957
I see lots of luxury wagons in Canada and a few Golf wagons. They're usually driven by old people. Most people hate wagons because of the station wagons they grew up with. They were the equivalent of driving a minivan today.

>>17651957
We had our stint with wagons in the 70s and 80s - they were the "must have" family car.
After their popularity waned, the only people driving them were grandmothers. So the 90s developed the stigma of wagons as an old lady's car.

We have wagons but they're ugly as fuck and people call them crossovers, but c'mon, it's 5 doors on a car frame, it's basically a wagon

>>17652051
Wagons are thinner, longer, and lower than crossovers.

>>17652051
Yeah high and short. How to have useless room

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>>17652109
No one said they're good wagons but you can't argue they're not wagons.

>>17652159
http://jalopnik.com/5872562/what-makes-a-wagon-a-wagon

wagon rulez earth

CAFE and cucks want higher seating position and Americans can afford less efficient vehicles so only companies where the wagon is part of their brand even bother.

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>>17651957
Man IDK OP but I would kill for a Commodore SSV Redline Sportwagon to come stateside.

>>17652326
You can buy the Mercedes E63 AMG
606 HP
0-60 in 3.4 seconds

Stronger average personal economies, less taxation and cheap fuel makes it so that "everyone" can afford a big SUV with even more space, higher seating position and
>muh safety

The wagons larger popularity in Europe and Asia comes due to WW2, as the western world outside of the US, eastern Europe and most of Asia were in ruin; both financially and infrastructurally. This meant that new cars had to be cheap to make, and cheap to run. Thus, having two cars share most of their parts made production cheaper and faster. The cars also had to be as small and simple as they could be, and it only made sense to produce a wagon-version of the same car for those who needed the extra space, instead of designing and manufacturing a whole new vehicle

>>17651957
suvs and 4 door pickups exist in America.
station wagons are out of style since before I was born.

>>17652338
Not him but personally wouldn't want to deal with German maintenance especially on AMG cars.

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>>17652326
http://lefthandutes.com
You can have one stateside, just supply your own donor Chevy SS and they'll make you one

Wagons are fucking ugly. Only hipsters and autists like wagons

because theyre ugly as fuck, the only purpose is if you're a surfer

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>>17652395
Autist hipster here. I can confirm I like wagons.
One day I'll be able to afford this beauty.

>>17652440
Although I wouldnt buy that I'd appreciate that if I passed it

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>>17652454
>implying you'd be able to pass this beast

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>>17652463
pls.

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Subaru could make shit loads of money

>>17651957
i have a weird fetish for wagons and estates

>>17652548
The Levorg would have been so much better with a manual.

Especially for the sporty trims.

>>17652208
>jalopnik
Opinion discarded.

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I was a bit depressed when I found out that they don't sell her here
Guess I'll have to settle for a 4GC as my next car then

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Me and my wife want a wagon bad because they're comfy. I don't know enough about cars to get a really nice 80s buick or something so I'm thinking about this beauty

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Negative stigma about losers driving station wagons because of Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation in the 80's

>>17651957

I don't know man.

probably because the cr-v and escape exist. people think the sedan ride height is too low so they don't want a sedan with an ass.

For me, though, they're perfect. Waiting for a 3 or 5 series wagon on CL to come up for sale.

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The Sedan segment is shrinking, and I bet that it will eventually shift towards wagons, but that will be another 5 years.

Just ordered this.

Too bad Buick won't market it.

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I'd love to see more wagons here but manufacturers look at demographics and see people would rather buy suvs and trucks for their image or what have you. I think estates and tourings and wagons look much much better than the bloated competition if you could even call them that.

>>17652537
Those tires do funny things to me. In such a good way

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Anyone know about the 98 Legacy Wagon? I may be buying one off a friend.

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>>17653373
Ooh ooh, pick me.

Unless it's sufficiently cheap enough, don't buy it unless he's done the headgaskets already. Otherwise, do it, you won't regret it. Great car, I love mine to death and it's been reliable for me the whole time. Handles great, has a good amount of power for a cheap shitbox, and is set up just right for muh feels too.

Remember the timing belt every 100k, put NGK laser platinum plugs in it, change the oil every 3500, and keep 4 matching tires on it, and it'll be a happy car for years. Lots of cargo room, it's like a TARDIS on the inside. Not a big car but it'll hold a shitton of stuff.

>>17652395
It's literally MORE CARGO SPACE IN A SEDAN WHAT IS NOT TO LIKE
FUCK SEDAN TRUNKS

i wish i had a wagon, they seem comfy as fuck. ill probably settle with a hatchback.

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>>17653705
Get a TSX wagon.

>>17653516
Im not sure about the headgaskets exactly but i know they've recently put alot of money into fixing everything up. More so than they are asking for (3k)

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>>17652548
>300HP CVT
>140HP 5MT
Pick one.

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>>17653817
>250hp 5MT
I pick this one

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>>17652357
>The wagons larger popularity in Europe and Asia comes due to WW2
Wagons aren't popular at all in Asia except few countries like Japan, Singapore and Taiwan, since large sedans are considered luxury item to show off their wealth.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LZD2pBeXY6Q

The Arms Race to have the biggest, most intimidating, inefficient piece of pig iron in the trailer park, cul-de-sac or ghetto.

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I dont like BMWs very much but I would absolutely crucify the resurrected Christ for a decent pic related.

>>17652755
I'm also look for a Magnum. Im trying to find one with a HEMI in it but i haven't found any so far

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The most common new wagon in Germany
Skoda Octavia
mostly due to its reliability and value

You can find countless used ones because it's a typical company lease, used by salesmen, technicians who don't need trucks and the like.

>>17652376
the ute/wagon are longer than the SS so are actually based on the frame of the Chevrolet caprice PPV (holden statesman)

>>17654468
That's true for the Ute, but the wagon has the same wheelbase as the sedan and is actually shorter than all sedans by .4". It's still 9 inches shorter overall than a Caprice too.

If you look on their about page (http://lefthandutes.com/about.html) they're not welding 2 cars together. They take a Ute/Wagon body from Australia (which is legal because you can import a car with no engine as parts) and put all the USDM engine/drivetrain, lights, emissions controls, LHD parts, and firewall into the Australian donor car. It's more of a LHD swap + engine replacement than welding 2 cars together.

>>17654412
How can Skodas be so reliable when the more expensive and more carefully built brothers VW and Audi are far from it.

>>17654637
Skoda cuts corners on superfluous extras and marketing, not quality.

https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/unfall-schaeden-und-panne/pannenstatistik/

The reliability statistics for the VW Polo and its clone Skoda Fabia, for instance, are identical.

>>17651957
Because women want to feel """"safe"""" and sit way up high so they can """"see"""" even though their attention is purely in their God damned iPhones instead of paying attention in the first goddamn place and building situational awareness as they drive.

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Nice inexpensive wagon here

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>tfw no gtr wagon

>>17651957
death of family values and rise of individual nepotism and vanity.

>>17654966

dont tell anyone this, its top secret info, but you can still put kids in the back seat of sedans

>>17654974
not wrong tho, 50 years ago it was common to start a family in your early 20s or even right of highschool, but women had to have muh rightz and men stopped trying. Now millenials don't plan to have kids till their 30s and 40s or not at all and only live for themselves.

>>17654988
>only live for themselves
Maybe because that's all we can afford

>>17654988
/pol/ pls go

>>17654991
because you limped dick faggots would rather play videogames and jack off all day than learn a valuable skill and work your ass off to get a good paying job.

>>17655005
I am working my ass off at a meh job (mechanic, which I would call a valuable skill), the problem is boomers and now gen xers wanting 3-5 years experience for entry level positions, and shit tier pay that doesn't keep up with inflation unless you're a CEO who's allowed to set his own six or seven figure salary to sit on his ass all day for some retarded reason.

>>17655005
Ppl play vidya and best off all day as a reaction to being bamboozled by a world that hates white men. Can't blame them

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>>17654945
Nice try, Tony.

>>17654988
People who start their families that early now days end up being poor the rest of their lives

>>17655027
unless you working on railroads or airplanes you just a lazy peice of shit grease monkey.
>>17655102
Because they've been coddled all there lives and buckle under responsibility. also most of them don't have real jobs yet. It used to be by the time you were 21 you had already settled in as an adult and had financial security from years of hard work throughout there teens. Now there are obese 25 year old manchildren who never evened worked a day in the goddamn lives. Your generation makes me fucking sick.

>>17654988
/r/incels get out

>>17655118
Thank boomers for fucking over the economy

>>17651957
Because they're just SUVs that you can't take offroad. They offer no advantage over the SUV and have a major disadvantage.

>>17651957

They were really popular 20+ years ago. Now Crossover SUVs are the popular family car. Similar amount of space, higher ride height which is nice when you have shit knees (like I do), or are putting car seats in and out.

I still have an affection for old Volvo wagons.

>>17655131
yeah, thank us for picking up the slack you limp dick neets let build up

>>17655193
>>17655118
This is quality bait

>>17655118
>It used to be by the time you were 21 you had already settled in as an adult and had financial security from years of hard work throughout there teens.

It used to be you could get a job that could support a family at that age. All that's around for most high school grads without a degree is shit tier retail or food service. Actually decent blue collar jobs are extreme good old boy clubs that you aren't getting into unless you're the nephew or son or something like that of someone already in.

>>17655165
>They offer no advantage over the SUV
Efficiency.

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The Feds started giving preferential treatment to SUVs in terms of fuel economy and safety so that Detroit can keep making dosh, and now SUVs are cheaper to make and wagons can't compete against the rigged conditions.

>>17653153
Didn't even know this was a thing, reading about it it looks nice.

>Not available in Canada
FUCK

>>17653153
Wait, they actually make them now? I thought it was still in "we've taken a spyshot of one in camo" phase

>>17655331
The Opel/Vauxhall version has been out for a while already.

>>17653348
Man the SportCross has got to be one of the best looking wagons out there!

>>17655331
It's even on their website now. I might get one... too bad they don't have a manual option. However, the AWD and peppy 2.0t engine should make up for that. I'm sick of the 100hp FWD shitbox life, especially in wintertime.

>>17653153
I think this is the only Buick I find moderately attractive.

Everybody around here drives Outbacks, and drove Legacy wagons before that/

>>17651957
Because wagons are for dykes and men that think talking the wife out of a minivan/crossover for a wagon was some sort of victory

>>17656531
You're everything that's wrong with motoring.

>hurr every single brand, model or style has to be engrained with stereotypes

>>17656540
spotted the wagon cuck

>>17656550
Spotted the millennial meme spouting dimwit.

>>17651957
they're ugly

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>>17656550
I honestly feel sorry for you. You care so much about what other people you'll never meet think of you over dumb stereotypes that you're depriving yourself of things you might actually enjoy.

Wagons are a compromise. They don't make sense in a country where you can afford more than one vehicle.

>>17656708
But can you?

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Love me a wagon

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wagon renaissance is nigh

>>17656708
What about people like me who have 2 cars, need a practical one, but hate how SUVs handle?

>>17656708
What?

No its for when you need something practical but don't need a SUV.

You can still have a second car with a wagon??

>>17652548
does subaru make any kind of wagon in the states anymore?

the outback and forester are more like SUVs now. and the crosstrek isn't much different

Im rly considering going and buying this.

https://nh.craigslist.org/cto/d/1994-buick-roadmaster-57l/6229797358.html

Will see if he'll take $1400 cash.

>>17656869
If you bolt the Legacy suspension on the Outback it's closer to a real wagon

Unless things have changed manufacturers in the us are penalized for selling them, since they count as 'cars' for their mileage requirements, but get marginally worse mileage. If they jack the vehicle up slightly, slap on plastic cladding, and call it a crossover suddenly it's a fuel efficient truck!

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>>17652440
>>17651957
Just saw this portal axled bitch on the Internet today. It's weird, tacky, unconventional and some could argue pretty ugly. But I want one very much

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>>17652232
yes, like the dinosaurs.

>>17652243
This, the laws pretty much made a loophole for anything classified as a truck and so the big three started pumping out SUVs instead of putting money into making more efficient cars.

>>17651957
new e63 wagon is absolute sex

>>17651957
Where I live, up in the Smokies, Subaru and Volvo wagons are fucking everywhere.

>>17655760
The new 2018 regals look great. Seriously.

I am not a Buick guy, but their regal models are really nice.

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>>17651957

I love wagons. I had an '02 Bugeye WRX wagon for a long time. It was awesome.

I'd love to get pic related one day though.

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>>17660677
Why don't you have the bugeye any more?

>>17654608
noice

t. aussie

glad yanks finally appreciate the dunnydoor

>>17651985
>The type of car that puts out more emission gets less taxing and economy standards
USA is fucking retarded.

>>17661422
It's based off agrarian needs. Long story short, farmers, ranchers, etc. here generally put their pickups to good use over almost a century of time so it stuck. Fleet-wide CAFE standards are a thing, though, so pickups and the like have gradually been getting more efficient.

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>wagon thread
>no mention of the almighty passat

/o/ pls

>>17661471
How does the golf wagon compare? Thinking about getting an alltrack and taking it to stage 1.

Would this be retarded or neat

>>17661519
Depends on the MY and engine

>>17661422
/thread

>>17661531
Engine is the 1.8tsi. Stock puts out 170hp 199tq. APR has a tune that gets that up to 230hp 270tq or something like that. Doesn't require a new turbo or anything. Mostly for a little extra passing power, not gonna be racing it or anything.

Would a mod like this still pass emissions testing?

>>17661446
>SUVs
>agrian needs
NOPE. It's nothing more than a thinly disguised scheme by the feds to keep Detroit in business.

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I'd love to have a R-design V90 like yesterday.

>>17652051
A crossover is something between a wagon and a SUV.

A wagon is essentially a sedan with a large ass. I'd go as far to say it's a longer shooting brake.

>>17652039
Qft as a 90s kid

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>>17661471
Not a huge fan of the rear end.

>>17661872
This.

>>17661858
I was mainly referring to pickups. Actually capable SUVs like the older Jeep Cherokees, Ford Broncos and Explorers (lolexplodingtirefiasco), Chevy Blazers and Suburbans, Dodge Ramchargers, etc. had their place. These new, soft mallcrawler bullshit soccermobiles can go straight to Hell though.

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I love my wagon, but someone slid on some ice and bumped into the side of her.
She's almost at 300k miles.

>>17661519
New Golfie wagons are pretty rad. The 1.8 is actually pretty reliable, especially by VW standards. I was about to buy one but decided to jump for a used E39 5 wagon for dat I6. IThe Alltrack with 4Motion can actually handle mild off roading too. Check out the TFL offroad review of it on Jewtube. It's unfortunate that they don't offer the Golf R wagon here.

>>17662784
Oh shit you used to have a trip on here didn't you? Have you had any problems with it? I'm thinking of getting a 328i wagon as a daily.

>>17652017
>side-facing seats just big enough to fit a chessboard between between you along with a bit of space for captured pieces
that's some top comfy right there

>>17655118
fuck you, my grandfather was a mechanic and he worked on jeeps and planes in the war

>>17663088
Do it! If you're able, hold out for one of the 6 speeds. If you're really able, hold out for one of the 6 speed rwd ones. Those are very hard to find, but a lot of fun. Contrary to what most think, the e91 NA motors/cars aren't hard to work on. At almost 300k miles I've seen almost all the issues and I've done them all myself. The motors are notorious for an oil leak on the passenger side rear valve cover gasket, but it's doable in a day. My dsc hydro unit went out, but a $300 repair and a day of work. I've refreshed all of my suspension due to some vibrations at highway speeds, but just worn bushings. Easy cars to keep up. Mine rode smooth and was ready to crest the 300k mile mark until she got hit, now I'm driving something else until I decide what's best to do. I'm definitely keeping it though.

>>17654966
But every woman loves the meme 7seat crossovers

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>>17651985
>women feels the safer in traffic the more disconnected from driving they are

>>17661872
Man, a laser blue V70R sold in my hometown at the start of the summer. I had been planning on buying it once I got my fulls (didn't bother since I was at uni)

It was beautiful

>>17661872
That makes my dick harder than it's been in years.

>>17662027

>Euro Passats in Japan

Japanese guys have a good taste.

Ugly along with hatchbacks

>>17663352
That's women logic alright. Panic situation? Better scream and let go of the steering wheel!

>>17651957
America has good, affordable SUVs that are very nice to drive.