>180 mph cruising speed >no traffic >no cops >whole

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>>17641047
I actually had the opportunity to fly a 172 when I was in highschool. The only thing I wasn't allowed to do was take off or land, but as soon as we left the ground I was given full control.
Got to cruise around the coast and loop the island, then bring her down within 20ft of the airstrip before the pilot let her down. Was amazing and for a while I was really obsessed over becoming a military pilot, but I let that dream die.

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>>17641047
It's a dream of mine that I'm not certain will ever come true.

>if you fuck up you die

>>17641047
Enjoy crashing from microbursts.

>>17641047
Yeah just let me land it in my own private airstrip right next to my mansion on the beach

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>fucking loner
>stacy thinks you're going to drop a fucking grenade onto her house when you tell her youre a pilot
>cant wind the windows down
>no fly thru movies
>3WHEELS LMAO!

holy shit when will the flight meme die

My excuse?
>Hours upon hours of training to operate machine
>Money
>More money to maintain flying machine
>Need landing strip, can't park that shit in the garage
>Any malfunction or acts of God risks me getting closer to the gates of hell
>Even more money for aviation fuel
>Thread is total b8, so btfo

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>>17641047
except I do. Just got my commercial license about 3 weeks ago. Currently working on my CFI


Also to answer your question a common excuse is the price. To get my private, IFR, Multi (IFR, CPL) and single engine commercial ratings I'm in it about 60 grand. Will be worth it in the long run but I am buried in debt at the moment :/

>>17641077

Not in single pistons. You can still glide to safety if the engine fails. It's the turbines that drop like a rock,

I guess more so on the cost. Maybe just maybe if if you get a good retirement plan going and good benefits. Then maybe but say me at 20. How the fuck am i supposed to afford or be able to fly and get my own plane, and pay for the pilots license. Correct me if i am wrong but it really just doesn't seem feasible in this economy. Maybe it was 2000 again it could be but i just don't see it.

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Is it true biplanes can have shorter wingspans/wing area for a single wing? You know what I mean. Because you have two of them you can add them together for one big lifteroony.

I want ultrashort lift wings.

wew.

>>17641109
Turbojets still glide decently. Not as good of a glide ratio as a small single engine aircraft. Also the vast majority of turbojet aircraft are twin so the likelihood of losing both engines simultaneously is slim.

>>17641090
>needing an airstrip
>not having the plane equivalent of a lifted truck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPSElw8qEsI

>>17641113

You can get a C-152 for under $60k

>>17641047
I've taken lessons on flying, it's pretty fun once you get off the ground after the hour or so of red tape.

>>17641113
I got a personal loan from wellsfargo (I'm 23). Work on your credit and have a few assets. My interest rate is 10%. Not great but it could be a lot worse.

Because it costs a lot and only autistic fucks get a pilot license.

>>17641077
>if you fuck up you have 10000ft and 5 hours of fuel to correct your error, assuming your error even effects your ability to complete the flight
>if your engine goes you still have plenty of time to find a safe touchdown point while gliding
Flying is fucking easy
>>17641047
>no cops
Do you know how many rules there are? Here's a nice read
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-96-433/

>>17641047
The only thing holding me back is money. That's it.

I started lessons but I didn't realize quite how expensive it was truly going to get.

So instead I decided to take aviation mechanic courses.

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>>17641113
also, if you are serious about flying and want to do it for a living, look into ATP. ATP is a school that will get you from zero hours to 1500 and help you land a job in the regional airlines. Takes about a year and a half to end up there and costs a shit ton of money. The main benefit of ATP is the fact that they have financing options. Wellsfargo and Fannie-May have a relationship with ATP and offer loans to students who might not have the best credit.


To anybody who wants to fly but can't figure out how to swing it I strongly recommend looking up ATP. If you are concerned about money and are serious about flying give them a call. I was able to get a private loan and go at my own pace but ATP is a great option.

>>17641133
This.
I'd absolutely love to take flying lessons, but I live in one of the most expensive cities in the world relative to average income. I'm just lucky enough to be splitting rent illegally with others in our flat.

>>17641047
A friend of mine is getting his license atm, he took me around once
>12k€ minimum in fees and lessons
>can only fly alone (without passengers) when you don't have a trainers-license
>180€/h in fuel
>have to drive 45min to the airfield
>have to be in a club and "rent" one of the available planes

I'd really like to get that license but for that money I can rent a wrx and go around a gravel-track in a rally school. Or get a official racing license for tarmac.

>>17641131
>http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-96-433/
yeah but that's just canada in general.

>>17641047
>no cops
Fly through the DC ADIZ and see what happens.

>>17641212

common sense still applies.

>>17641227
>Using 'common sense' in regard to laws, rules and absolutes.

Got my CS/MEL+Instrument. No excuse here

>>17641047
> engine is literally late 60s technology
> unnecessary redundancy because "electronics" are shit
> different spark plugs depending on how high you want to fly
> 100LL is expensive as fuck, but engine can't take advantage of it
> shit fuel efficiency 10-12gallons per hour
> questionable reliability
> brakes are literal placebo
> yadda, yadda, "ya ain't need to train for dat, cause it never happened"

private/commercial pilots are just glorified instrument readers

>>17641147
Nah not so much full time flyer to make it my job. But more so on a hobby like some guys who own their own little fishing boats. But yea i would say for full time flyers its actually in some respects cheaper to get into for a full time job, then say a lot of these degrees people get into. But for me as someone say into just as a hobby i personally couldn't see it unless i get into a good retirement plan. But that's just me. Personally cost wise i'd rather own a fishing boat than a plane for a side hobby. Which is a shame cause i think in the economy of the 80s, 90s , and even early 2000s up to 2005 it was viable. I just don't see like that unless we hit a booms times or some shit.

because becoming a pilot and owning a plane is stupid fucking expensive. dad became private pilot (IFR/night rated) and it was more economical to get a big American SUV and drive that every day, not to mention less stressful.

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>>17641065
>but I let that dream die.
>said casually, like it never mattered
somehow this is the saddest thing i ever saw on 4chan

>>17641047
>no traffic
Not if you live near a big city with a major hub airport. You better know how to talk to ATC or unpleasant conversations on the ground will ensue.
>no cops
You've never heard of the FAA? If you're lucky, you never will, because they are bastards.
>amazing views
Sometimes.
>180 Knots
Only if you have a tailwind, lol. This time the joke is serious.

Pilot training is expensive. There are a lot of people in between you and an airplane, each with their hand out and all of them want to know how well you can fly and how much money you have before letting you up in the sky.

To get in a car and drive? Not so many people with their hand out.

>>17641117
Turbines are much more reliable than piston engines are. It's rare that one fails.

>>17641147
>finance $100k for no guaranteed job
Just join the Air Force you retard, you'll get paid to learn how to fly.

>>17642590
The percentage of people in the airfoce who are trained pilots is very small.

>>17641047
> Have to file an exact flight plan
> Deviate from it and risk being shot down
> Have to pay to keep your license
> Have to keep flying to keep your license
> Medical checks
> Background checks
> Harsh penalties for flying while impaired

>>17642590
More likely you'll be put in front of a computer in a cubicle doing Powerpoint, if you join the Chair Force. And if you're going to be a wagecuck, private corporations pay better for the same bullshit.

>>17641176
>but I live in one of the most expensive cities in the world relative to average income. I'm just lucky enough to be splitting rent illegally with others in our flat.
Have you considered moving?

>>17641047
its $10k to get a license in burgerland

plus planes are expensive

>>17642747
You don't have to pay the $10k all at once, but by the end of it, yeah, that's about the amount you will have spent.

>>17641047
Too expensive and too much rules.

>>17642733
Hard to beat those benefits tho

And if you want to fly professionally? This is what you have to look forward to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwKuSMVCliQ

>>17641115
Technically yes, but the aerodynamic sacrifices from two wings (since it's technically more drag in addition to more lift) isn't worth it with how the tech has advanced, otherwise biplanes would still be the standard.

My understanding is that anyone who truly wants to get their PPL in the US can do it easily, it just takes some serious budgeting depending on your level of income but it certainly can be done without living in a cave. Once you get your license, there are flying clubs that often operate on fractional use of the aircraft they have, so everyone just shares and pays a fraction of the upkeep/maintenance costs.

Plus, if you're making more than the average /o/tard, I've seen mid-way-to-overhaul cessnas go for ~$30-40k

Sure there are expensive facets, but for the dedicated there are absolutely ways to save money.

Personally I'm thinking of getting glider certs and calling it a day at that. drifting through thermals and wind currents above some valleys or mountain ranges all while running completely silent sounds like the most rewarding and visceral flying experience possible, short of flying a jet fighter.

>>17642849
Anything's possible, it's just a question of money and time.

>Implying i don't have my Commercial Single Engine Land rating

>>17641090

I mean, you don't have to be THAT rich. My uncle is pretty well off don't get me wrong, but he put in an air strip in a fucking corn field next to his house. All you need is a flat patch of land and some earth moving equipment.

The expense is everything else.

>>17641131
>if you fuck up you have 10000ft and 5 hours of fuel to correct your error,
yeah, not if you experience catastrophic structural failure. Your ass will be pancaked inside of a minute

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My dad has a plane and I rather drive cars. You feel slow af even if it's a jet. It's waaaaaay cheaper to get a gokart and race in a league and way more fun.

>>17642955
>catastrophic structural failure
Which is rarer than a modern jet engine cutting out mid-flight, even if the structure we're talking about is a 60's built 172. If that happens, the pilot was knowingly cutting corners with his mechanic or willfully neglecting maintenance altogether.

I'm going to see a navy recruiter tomorrow. Going to have the navy pay for my college and I will become a pilot.

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>>17642992

>Joining the navy to learn how to fly

nigga that's boats n shit

>>17643010
>What are aircraft carriers, which each contain full squadrons of fighters and support aircraft

>>17642992
Good luck bud, Naval Aviation is the way to go
>>17643010
>not wanting to be catapulted to 200 mph in less than 2 seconds from a rolling deck

>>17642023
We've all let the dreams of our youth die, anon. It's why we're here. It's why you're here.

>>17642985
>If that happens
not really going to matter why though, is it?

>>17642023
>saddest thing
Nah, not really. I think he made the right choice.
Having been through the military myself, I wouldn't blame him for opting out.

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>has everything you just listed
>can land just about anywhere, no need for a runway
Helicopter license > plane license

>>17641047

>no normies to smash into you
>no cops

Wait till Chad comes in his F-22.

>>17643160
>incredibly more expensive for training, purchase price, parts, and maintenance

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My dream is buying one of those medium-size bi-planes and transforming the inside area into a motorhome-like plane.

So i can fly my house anywhere i want.

>>17643160
I have a feeling the average supermarket isn't gonna be very happy with a helicopter in their parking lot.

>>17643160
>>17643179
thank you for reminding me that 12yo me wanted to become a helicopter pilot
>feels.webm

>>17643190
>anywhere i want
not so sure about that part

>>17641147
You forgot the part where airlines want a min 2 year degree too. What's the matter is there a student pilot shortage again. sure is not a pilot shortage I'm still making less then min wage after 10 years flying waiting for the 80 year olds to die sense they won't retire.

>>17642590
Ya fly a drone.

>>17643196
why not ?

>>17643384
Most cities have ordinances against landing aircraft within the limits. not to mention spraying cars and people with dirt and rocks.

>>17641093
not going on a cute night flight with bae

missing out

>>17643444
helping each other put on the pissing condoms...romantic!

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>>17641047
>180 mph cruising speed
k
>no traffic
pic related
>no cops
FAA says hi
>whole sky to yourself
pic related, not to mention restricted air space
>no normies to smash into you
k
>amazing views
true

Flying commercially is shit money though...even at the majors unless you've been with them for a while.

>>17643125
Lol airforce is the most priviliged branch .

>>17641093
There's this little window thing you can open in most GA aircraft.

>>17641098
The training is fun though

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>>17643371
That job is getting popular son.

>>17643680
the chair force?

>>17643637
Everything's unionized and seniority matters. You'd think that unions could solve the low salary problem, but I guess not. You know there's a gross oversupply of labor when even unions can't do anything to raise salaries.

Basically anything that's even remotely fun has way more people willing to do it than there are jobs for it and they're willing to do it for peanuts.

>>17641047
>one little mistake and you die
>$100k+ to purchase
>$85+/hour to operate

>>17641047
>no traffic
LOL, in your dreams.

>no cops
LOL. Fly over a TFR and see what happens.

>whole sky to yourself
LOL. try flying over anywhere populated and see what happens.

>no normies to smash into you
LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QyjCDmYGE8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQygLTqDUo

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>>17641047
>IMPLYING I'M NOT INSTRUMENT RATED

MY BUD WENT FROM AIRFORCE ROTC TO FLYING RAPTORS AS A CAREER

BOATS ARE ANOTHER THING YOU NEED TO BE A COMPLETE HUMAN BEING, CARS ARENT ENOUGH

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>no normies to smash into you
lmao

>always wanted to be a pilot
>eyesight is too poor
fuck all of you

>>17643751
Who the fuck made this graph?
Why not have the bars start at the lower end and end at the higher end of the given numbers? This is retarded.

>>17644090
holy shit that looks and sounds cool as hell
you know ignoring the fact people probably died in that

>>17644191
holy shit

>>17644191
The last guy started hanging on to the plane until he realized that was a bad idea.

>>17643253

I'll have some restrictions sure.

>>17644191
>TIME TO LEAVE

>>17644191
everyone survived

>>17641047
Harrison Ford is up there
Watching
Waiting

>>17642849
>Personally I'm thinking of getting glider certs and calling it a day at that.

Same. Getting a GPL is far easier and flying is still lots of fun. Also you can get a sustainer to have a very slow plane if you want.

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>prop

TOP KEK

Check out my jet aircraft, you fucking noob.

>>17644568
that's a glider idiot

>>17644572

Do you not see the bitching jet engine on that thing?

>>17644568
I can't help but feel that's cheating just a little bit

>>17644627

It's only used to climb. It's not on during the whole flight.

>>17642023
>but I let that dream die.
It's not that sad because becoming a pilot is hard and a lot of people won't become one

>>17642590
isn't it extremely difficult to get a pilot slot? like you have to basically graduate from the air force academy or something?

I was going to be a jumbo jet captain once but then I started realizing that I'm too smart to waste my neurons flipping switches. I'm a professor now but still get the giggles every time I get a glimpse of the cockpit when I board.

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>>17644666
in anything fun yes
like if you want to fly the F22 you pretty much need to be the top of your class, better than perfect conditioning and physical and letter from your congressman
but stuff like cargo planes and stuff are easier to get into
here's your new airplane

>>17644693
Actually, I'd rather fly those things than the fighter jets.
>Your airplane
>Gets up
>Takes a leak in the lavatory
>Goes back and refills coffee mug
>Grabs a snack to go with coffee
>Gets back in cockpit
>My airplane

>>17644693
I wouldn't mind that at all

I have a bachelor's and have yet to get any really meaningful employment. Maybe I should see a recruiter. Is Navy aviation also as hard or are there easier spots to get?

>>17641047
>Whats your excuse for why you don't you have your pilots license yet, /o/?
too fat to fit in the seat

>>17644723
>>17644725
>>17644693

and then one psych exam later, your new career is guarding the parking lot. Sweet decision, Top Gun.

>>17643190
>bi-plane

>>17644533
Even the passengers in the 1winged plane?

>>17644568
I feel like gliding would be a lot more fun than flying powered aircraft.
>more freedom
>less expensive
>fewer rules
>less radio communication
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0iAaJ9pFVc

>>17644777
>>less expensive
Gliders are not very cheap and you have to pay someone to tow you up.

>>17644777

Why does every glider make that beep beep?

Also, its so fuckin majestic...I wish I could be a pilot to fly (glide?) one. So epic. Silence...scenery...surreal.

>>17644777
or you could do it in a Super Hornet like a boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1o3QNmgZ4I

>>17641077
>be pilot
>set altimeter wrong
>crash into side of mountain
Has happened before planes are memes.

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>tfw no Rutan plane to fly
At least when I finish falling for the STEM meme my dad's boss (rice field spraying company) said he'd cover flight instruction if I want to go that route

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>>17641065
>let the dream die
I feel ya mang. I wanted to be one too, but then I got older and realized you kinda have to join the Air Force to ever become a commercial pilot and I was too busy smoking weed in my late teens and early 20s to join the military.

So I got my CDL

>>17641047
>no cops
FAA waiting to fist your asshole

does laser eye correction count as a correction when getting your license? I know your uncorrected vision needs to meet a certain standard which i dont currently meet

>>17644826
>Why does every glider make that beep beep?
That's the variometer, tells the pilot rate of sink or climb, a very important indication in a glider. A beeping variometer can be used in situations where looking at the instruments is undesirable.

>Groundfags hating on the ability to fucking fly

Mother fuckers I am flying a god damn piece of metal through the fuckinng sky. for thousands of years humans have been like that would be the fucking tits and im doing it suck my dick enjoy that red light you fucking fags

>>17641047

I prefer working on planes to flying them. The sense of speed is dulled by altitude and it really makes the experience less... free.

I was given the opportunity to take the helm of a C-130 while I was in the service and it was amazing, but the novelty wore off quickly. Even though I was flying at speeds far, far faster than any production car can approach, it was just... boring, really.

Meanwhile, taking corners on a track at 50mph is exhilarating as all hell.

"""A sport pilot license permits a pilot to fly only light sport aircraft during the day and in good weather. According to the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association's cost calculator, the cost for a private license runs on average $9,900, a recreational runs $7,700 and a sport license about $4,400."""

>>17644887
>flying is boring
You're doing the wrong kind of flying then.
>held the yoke in a C130 once
Yeah see you're very poorly informed here.
>muh speed
Speed isn't what makes flying fun

>>17644865
Yeah you have to unlaser your eyes so you can take the test.

>>17644896
Basic licenses to fly a Cessna aren't that much work. I remember reading up and was amazed how easy it was. But there are all sorts of extras like flying at night or bad weather when you rely on instruments and then type certifications.

>>17643901
the regionals are not Union pilot employees keep voting it down. I made 14k per year before taxes at a regional carrier and that was before they raised the hours requirements.

>>17644191
>parachute ops
Those guys are fuckin Neanderthals sometimes. If it isn't the meat missiles, it's the other pilots who will kill you

>>17644846
I see that you're a man of exquisite tastes.

>>17644896
You want to be fully qualified you are looking at north of $50K. Everything else is bitch tier and handicapped.

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>tfw run out of money for lessons and dream about them every single night
At least I still have X-plane

>>17645012
On the plus side, my dreams are so realistic, that they're pretty good for remembering what to do next time I have money.

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countless of arma 2 hours made me wish for helicopter flying lessons
holy fuck i really want a helicopter pic related

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>>17645027
I want one of these.
I don't care that they crash all the time and every single second is putting your life in the hands of RNGsus.

>>17645042
What fun is it if you don't put your life at risk?

>>17645042
imagine going to work with this

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Aviation is also the only place where rotary engines have actually taken off (heh). So become the Keksuke of the skies and drive a rotary airplane.

>>17645042
http://www.mosquito-helicopter.info/Mosquito_Options_XET.html
Buy this or buy a LongEz, it would be hard to choose.

>>17645071
Horizontally opposed piston engines are wayyyy more popular. Almost every small plane without a turboprop is a Lycoming or Continental.

That being said, I would love to see a newer attempt at a turboshaft production car. I always thought turboshaft to generator would be cool and then drive the wheels with electric motors. Turboshafts are super reliable, will run on all sorts of fuel, and are compact.

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>>17645094
This little thing with a car turbo made by dude in a garage dyno'd at 8hp. Now imagine if a company actually tried...

>>17645145
>GR-5
Thanks for the nostalgia.

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Autogyro masterrace

> tfw just too poor for a heli

>>17641047
The time commitment to learn. I could afford to (time and money wise), but I would have to drop other hobbies.

>>17644881
don't think anyone is really hating on flying, we're just pointing out its not quite as simple as OP wanted to make it sound

>>17641109
that's why you have professionals maintain your engine

I'm just gonna get a Legal Eagle.

>>17641105
You fell for the ATP meme. Do whatever you have to do to be the MEII for them in house. There is no other place you will stack multi hours like you can there.
It can shave years off the time you have to work for squat.

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>>17641129
>10%

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be me, hot air balloon pilot
>flight plan is wherever the fuck
>fly into charlie and delta all time, don't give a fuck
>fuck patterns
>call sign hot air balloon
>flight following makes 747s change course to avoid me
>ifr no problem
>do low passes all time who will report a hot air balloon
>TBO lol
>

>>17645376
The redundancy with aircrafts is pretty crazy too. Don't commercial jets normally have 3x hydraulics for everything? And fucking magnetos in piston engines. But turbines are fairly simple as long as the couple main parts are in good order.

There are strict rules with commercial flights where they are rated on how far they are allowed to be from an airport with an engine out. Years ago a 2-engine jet would never be allowed to fly across open oceans full of passengers so they used 3 and 4 engine aircraft like the 747. But now twin engine jets are getting better ratings because they are so reliable.

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>>17645339
YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE YOU FUCKING FAGGOT HOW CAN YOU NOT FLY

MONEY IS FUNGIBLE JUST MAKE MORE AND YOUR OTHER HOBBIES ARE SHIT SHITTTTTT

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>>17641047
Can you drift a plane?
No.

>>17645685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG9yyzW-XQ8
Guess again m8

>>17645685
>what is forward slip

>>17643556
t. non pilot

>>17645738
Not drifting your just steering the plane.

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>>17645685

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daily reminder no one will ever be this cool ever again

>no traffic
You have to contend with Chad Thundercock in his Cessna.

>no cops
>implying the USAF won't intercept your ass if you even get close to restricted airspace or ignore ATC

>whole sky to yourself
>what is restricted airspace

>>17645685
A: Slip
B: I cooly vibrated a PA-28 a bit once.

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>>17644568
>tfw living in Germany
>best country for gliding, literally a gliding club in every minor town
>biggest dream back when I was in high school was to glide, additionally, I was an aviation autist
>overprotecting parents don't allow me to go to a gliding club due to their aviophobia
>wasn't allowed to do anything fun
>that feels until today when I think about something aviation related

>>17641047
Why would I get a private pilots license when I fly for the Navy already?

>no traffic
>no cops
HAHAHAHA

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>>17645831
>tfw you have the biggest dick and no one could even compete

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Sayonara suckers!

>>17645498
Can't pull over in the sky and pop the hood, you know. If it breaks, only thing you can do is land it. That will happen one way or another.

>>17641047
>Hella fuel cost
>Need a runway
>Parking
>Can only fly in good weather or risk getting fucked
>Gov shoots you down cause you flew 30 miles from their ass crack

>>17645011
What do you mean by fully qualified because there is a shit ton of certs for just about everything and anything.

I would love to learn to fly but it's just too expensive.
When i looked into getting my ppl it was about 10k, then for IFR it was about another 5k, multi engine was around another 5k and finally adding the other landing gear configuration from what you started on was around 2 to 3 k

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I will own a jet some day.

>>17641065
I got to do the same thing when I was in highschool. I played flight sims since I was a little kid and the pilot trusted me enough to let me do it. It was the greatest time of my life. I don't want to let that dream die, but I guess, in time, I will. It's all just fucked.

>hike into some sandnig/nigger country
>steal a used f-4 or some shitbox after joining their shitty military
>fix it up
>fly around in the middle east fucking up other peoples wars until you get killed yourself
I wish I had the balls.

>>17646963
its some dirty old slav shit but here you go
http://www.globalplanesearch.com/listing/aircraft-for-sale/Splash/MiG-21/158501

>>17645685
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVvt7hP5a-0

>>17641845
> engine is literally late 60s technology
Try early '50's
> 100LL is expensive as fuck, but engine can't take advantage of it
180HP @ 2700 RPM is 350 ft. Lbs of torque at 2700 RPM. The engine most definitely takes advantage of it... Oh, and run 4-digit EGT's continuously for hours and hours at low RPM, high load, in an aircooled engine with unleaded gas and tell me what your exhaust valves look like.
> unnecessary redundancy
You are referring to dual mags. Except the engine can't develop rated power on only 1. It is necessary.
> brakes are literal placebo
Grow some leg muscles faggot, there's no brake booster like your little faggot car.
literally everything you said is wrong and stupid... Even the fuel efficiency thing... That's an aerodynamic issue not a thermodynamic one... The engine itself is very efficient for the weight and power.
>>17643364
You're lying... mandatory 121 retirement is 65, and nobody in 135 is making minimum wage.
The only way you're employed in an airplane making minimum wage is if you're still flight instructing... And if you're 10 years into instructing in today's market with no real job you need to quit.
>>17646732
>too expensive
Cheaper than your GTR...
>>17645732
I know where that is.
>>17641117
Most airliners have a better glide ratio than a Cessna.
>>17645498
>The redundancy with aircrafts is pretty crazy too.
The redundancy is a joke, and a stunt to satisfy regulations. The systems are rife with single points of failure and false redundancy.
>>17644968
>the regionals are not Union
Literally every regional except SkyPest is union, and it's coming there too.
Airline compensation has seen significant annual increases yearly at every level since 2013.

The most economical engines for small planes are diesel engines.

I ran some figures on what kind of range a fully loaded Diamond DA42 would be able to do (one person with all remaining available payload converted into fuel holding capacity) and the range was 4833KM.

You could cross the Atlantic with that kind of range. It'd take a long fucking time, but it could be done.

Fun fact: Israel and the UK use a variation of the DA42 as an UAV for reconnaissance.

>>17647268
Homie I've played DCS I don't want Stalin's Revenge trying to kill me the entire time I'm in the air.

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>>17641098
>Even more money for aviation fuel
>>17641177
>180€/h in fuel
>>17641845
> shit fuel efficiency 10-12gallons per hour
>>17646375
>Hella fuel cost

>not knowing about modern ultra light aircraft
pic related uses 3.4l/100km or 69mpg at a cruising speed of 190km/h or 120mph
or 6.9l/100km 34mpg at the max continous speed of 312km/h 194mph
there's also no need to buy special aviation fuel, they run just fine on gas station premium fuel

>>17641065
Had the opportunity when I was in Highschool, too. My grandfather decided to use his DEA pension get me flight lessons. Did everything from take-off, landing, and radio comms. A couple months in, I found out how many hours I needed to actually do anything meaningful with it and stopped. We think of cars as an expensive hobby, but jesus christ they don't even scratch flying. The experience in itself was fucking amazing, and it definitely turned me into a plane autist, but feel I'm better off.

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>>17647782
I'm rated in the DA42NG, it's a neat plane. For some reason it is quite sensitive with fuel imbalance, no more than a 5 gallon difference is acceptable. Also, use of the auxiliary tanks is funky; the engines only feed from the main tanks, so the fuel in the auxiliary tanks must be manually transferred (in increments) in order to be used. Kind of annoying but it gives you something to do on cross country flights.

>>17648075
>Not knowing an average person doesn't have around $200k to blow on one of these

>>17648226
there are plenty of options in the $50k range, they are just not as sexy, luxurious and fast

>>17648075
Nobody wants to fly the plane version of a smart car

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>>17648289
>the plane version of a smart car
that would be pic related

the Risen is literally the plane version of an italian sports car
>full carbon fiber construction
>leather interior
>max speed of 390km/h 240mph with the largest engine option

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>>17648340
>that isn't even ready to fly by september
lol that's for their second, cheaper model the Siren

meanwhile the Risen has been in the air and in production since 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd2hPwQ2tH8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Excellence_Risen

>>17641047
Am I allowed to own a jet?

>>17645494

I keked.

>>17645685
But can a car thrust vector across the skies?

>>17644753
Yeah, everyone was parachuting and the pilots had parachutes as well.

Boeing 737-800 pilot here (I'm sure you're going to roast me and say I'm an FSX or sim pilot)

>>17641047
because im not a terrorist planning to kamikaze my plane into some of americas tallest buildings op i have informed the authorities that anyone who uses the term "normies" and flies a plane should be scrutinized to the fullest extent

>>17648607
Buzz Scotty Kilmer's house and REV UP YOUR ENGINES

>>17648421
Sure. Fly it? Not so much. Even if you have the license and the type rating (some planes, a general license isn't enough, you need to be licensed for *that* particular plane) the insurance company may not let you fly solo until you have a minimum number of hours logged flying it. Which means you'll need to hire someone who does have the hours to babysit you until you do.

>>17647537
There is no such thing as unnecessary redundancy when you're up in the air.

>>17645996
go do it now, faggot
I live in a country that doesn't have a single place to glide, no clubs, nothing at all, dammit

>>17646101
I saw one of these dudes at the beach the other weekend.

>>17646092
I miss those days. Skunkworks was so bad ass. I wish we could stop giving welfare to lazy people and instead spend all of that money on NASA, Lockheed, and the CIA

>>17648857
NASA is full of lazy people too. Hence, SpaceX

>>17648883
And who do you think is SpaceX's largest customer?

>>17648883
Yeah that's kinda true. That's why Lockheed and Northrop Grumman make all the cool shit since private contractors are always more ambitious and efficient.

>>17648932
Easier to write checks. Doesn't take nearly as much effort.

>>17641047
>Have to file a flight plan with The Agency
>Guys are able to call your bluffs on shooting a man because you wouldn't shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane
>Tribal chanting randomly occurs
>Big guys can use bigger planes to turn your plane upside down
Would not

>>17647537
Jeez, where do you get this stuff?

Hardly any of this post is true.

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>>17648985

>>17644842
More than a century of innovations
>just a meme

>>17649032
Not him, but most of it's pretty spot on. What is inaccurate?

>>17641047
I got banned from Jackson airport for driving drunk to a hanger I used to lease.

No point anymore, That is the closest airport

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>>17645685
>what is post-stall maneuvering?
Guess again, nigger.

>>17641118
>plane literally stalls to "land"
lmao i want that

>>17644693
>in anything fun yes
Reminder that you need 20/20 vision(no glasses or contacts allowed) to be considered to fly anything at all

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>>17651140
but some pilot jobs allow lasers as long as the person's eyes weren't totally fucked before hand

>>17645094
At least some planes are being made with rotaries. As of today, 0 cars are made with rotary engines.

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>>17641093
>>cant wind the windows down
>>no fly thru movies
>>3WHEELS LMAO!
none of this is true lol

>>17643190
>land at airport
>pay $500 just to park the plane, per day
>pay $300 an hour in fuel to fly
>pay $100 everytime you want to flush the toilets
>pay $100 for ground power units to start up the plane
>pay $500 just to get a mechanic out to look at any problems
>pay fuckloads for increasingly rarer spare parts (aging plane)
>live in plane
>die of carbon monoxide poisoning

>>17645094
Turbine engines are expensive to manufacture. Same reason they didn't switch to fuel injection until the 80s, even though they knew how back in the 50s. $$$$ Maybe with 3D printing you can drive the price of a turbine down enough so that it becomes a pleb tier item. Maybe.

>>17652002
Did you see the pic of the homemade one I posted earlier? I think dude said he spent about $600 total on it. Just employ Toyota's QC and machining to make the parts that spin at ridiculous speeds and it will be fine.

If they can get the tolerances down and use materials that don't cost a shit ton, they could easily mass produce turboshaft engines for less than piston engines. Piston engines are incredibly complex compared to many other types of engines. It just seems like they stick with them because they have been putting them in cars for over a century and have gotten pretty good with reliability and efficiency. If rotaries or turbines were the norm since Benz and Ford started making cars, I bet they would be better and cheaper than piston engines in every way.

>>17652065
A turbine will never be as efficient as a piston engine.

>>17652096
that's why all passenger planes since like 1960 has used jets?

>>17641131

Come on man. A lot of engine failures happen right on initial climb out, at less than 1000' agl. You tell me how long you have to make decisions at 1000' above the ground with no engine. I've actually been in that position, and landed the plane safely, and luck has a lot to do with it. Planes can kill you in a number of creative ways.

Also, airline pilot checking in. Have experience doing lots of different flying from instructing to Beech 1900 PIC, to bigger jets.

Also drive a BMW e36 M3/4/5.

>>17652138
Ehh, turbofans are pretty damn efficient. Turbojets aren't at all, they did those on early airliners before switching to high bypass turbofans. Turboprops and turboshafts might be better for aviation because of size, weight, and reliability and not so much efficiency.

>>17652096
You never know. I wonder what the thermal efficiency is on modern turboshafts. Plus I said I think Wenkels specifically could be more efficient if they had the same development and dedication as piston engines over the years.

>>17649032

Retard detected.

On a related note what car should a commercial pilot drive?

>>17652303
european saloon, secon biggest diesel engine, all kitted out on the inside without the external sport package

>>17652303
Considering how little many of them make? A shitbox, the shittiest of shitboxes.

>>17641047
>pay some thousands of dollars just to own a 30-100k+ dollar plan
Yeah, I wish.

>>17652303
There's a dude on here who flies regional for one of the big airlines (ERJ-175 maybe?) and he has/had some Jap car. I remember it being white, maybe a 3000GT? But anyway he's younger and I believe he's a co-pilot so he doesn't make a shit ton of money. Kinda sucks because it used to seem like such a sweet gig but it's nowhere near as prestigious as it used to be.

>>17652211
>>17652138
Also read something interesting, I guess turboshaft/fan/prop engines get much more efficient as they get larger. That's the funny thing about air and fluids, the stuff never scales normally.

Also turbine engines are much more efficient at higher altitudes than pistons. So maybe turbine car for Pike's Peak???

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>>17643170
>>17641093

>>17653082
lol'd
>any landing you walk away from is a good landing, any landing you can reuse the aircraft is a great one

too fucking expensive
and >>17641077

>>17652214
Try some reading comprehension this time.

>>17652303
Bmw 440i, or at least it's on order

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>>17653082

>>17651195
>standing height maximum 77 inches
Well, i never wanted to fly anyway

>>17653082
Good shit.
>>17654210
The air is the domain of manlets. Bow down before all of my 69 inches of glory.

>>17643731
I like how you're not even trying to deny it
thread/

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>>17644191
>>17644191
goddamnit I shouldn't be laughing this hard kekkles

>>17641077
I have a PPL and I think driving is more frightening.

>>17653082
Old saying - "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no old bold pilots"

>>17655396
i dunno, there is chuck yeager...

>>17655423
I think he quit while he was ahead. He doesn't fly anymore.

>>17654210
>YFW 6'3

FUCK OUTTA THE SKIES MUTOMBO

ANYWAY THATS JUST FOR MILITARY

>>17655637
>ANYWAY THATS JUST FOR MILITARY
It's just for the military but a vast majority of aircraft are not comfortable for tall people. They're designed around an average person so that they suit the greatest number of people, there's no reason to design a plane to fit a 7' tall pilot when they are so exceedingly rare.

>>17655788
They're not that comfortable for short people either.

>>17655810
They're plenty comfortable for short people, they just can't see over the instrument panel

>>17655818
I feel kind of cramped, but I can see over the panel just fine.

>>17641077
WOW JUST LIKE IN A CAR, BIKE, TRUCK OR EVEN ON FOOT

>>17648216
The G1000 is fucking fantastic. Amazing how immensely superior it is to any car infotainment despite being a decade old.

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>>17656666
It's a fucking godsend for IFR. I'd be fine with steam but the difference is night and day as far as ease of use.

>>17641147

dude pilots are getting automated, the only reason we even have pilots anymore is for liability

ask an employed pilot how much work he actually does for a flight

>>17658460
The pilot is there for when things don't go to plan ya idiot

>>17658460
>the only reason we even have pilots anymore is for liability
Spoken like a true moron

T. actual commercial pilot.