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BMW thread aut/o/bots. Post your rides, cry about the water

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BMW thread aut/o/bots.

Post your rides, cry about the water pump shitting or the strut towers caving in. Pic related is stuka, my pride and joy
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e46 323 \\\WAT edition
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>>17584680
does it have DIRECT INJECTION?
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>>17584698

Idris Alba
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What's the most reliable BMW that does 0-60 in under 6 seconds? Does this exist?
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I posted this in the German car thread but I'll post here too. I went to a shitty "car meet" last night and somehow some bitch in a Nissan rogue backed into my car. She gave me her number and left and isn't responding to my texts now. I kind of want to call the police, but I feel like it's kind of late. I think I'll try to meet up with her and get her insurance information and file a claim with them.

I got this car back from the shop the day before last. I'm pissed as fuck.
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>>17584918
Similar thing happened to me when I was younger...

I was driving through a shopping center when this teenage girl ran a stop sign and side-swiped my Civic. She was very apologetic and seemed like a nice enough gal, so we just agreed to exchange numbers and sort it out later.

We had some friendly back-and-forth via text message over the following days, but she stopped responding when I inquired about the relevant information. Then something completely baffling happened...

This girl's mother left a rambling message on our home answering machine claiming that I was the one who hit her daughter, and that I should stop "harassing" her. To this day, I have no idea if the girl got scared and lied to her mom, or if the mother is just a cunt and didn't want to pay up.

My dad didn't want to get into a tedious legal battle, so just ended up letting it be. Still pisses me off when I think about it. This one incident really affected my faith in the goodness of people.
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>>17585044
>>17584918

Always always always call the police over and file an official report
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>>17584890

My 328i does 0-60 in 6.0. Never had any issues with it, and I don't go easy on it. Just change the oil every 5k, instead of whatever bullshit BMW recommends.
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dump that shitty company before the repairs cost you more than its worth
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>>17585409
>when your soundproofing is so good and the engine is so well built you can't even hear it, so you pump engine noises in via the sound system and also give people the option of turning them off
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Frau Bismarck with her little sister Bismarck Zwei in the background. Bismarck Zwei is not feeling too well, her transmission shit the bed not too long ago and I am trying to source a new one right now to get her back into her prime.
Both are 750's to be clear, I don't fuck around with no "vee ayte" no more.
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>>17585409
meme harder faggot
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>>17585408
So if you want a dependable BMW, just avoid forced induction?
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>>17585485
More like just avoid being a retard
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>>17585512
more like avoid bmw
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>>17585512
How is HPFP and turbo failure attributed to being a retard?
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>>17585485
Also avoid all BMWs with DIRECT INJECTION
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Replacing the water pump tomorrow actually so it doesn't shit on me. Also putting in a new thermostat since it's right there anyways.
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>>17585558
Doing the job yourself?
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>>17585561
Yeah, it's very simple. Working on the E46 in general seems to be pretty dang simple compared to previous cars.
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>>17585408
>328i
Are these still fun compared to 335?
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Got this about 2 months ago

spent $500 on all the vacuum and coolant components as soon as I got it home

then got tax return a couple of weeks ago adn spent about 1100 on variuos little things.

I can't believe I've spent over half the cars price already on it. In saying that it is the best car I've owned. its like a comfy e30. Not as raw but still has all the feel.

gonna do an m52 swap at some stage
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Had this last summer. 1992 318is 5 speed. I miss that car even though it was only a 4 cylinder.
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>>17585485
Basically yeah and avoid V8's unless you can turn a wrench
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>>17585452
Perkele they are beautiful
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>>17585589
Get a muffler delete and you'll love it
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>>17585597
Ti? Is this the one with the blue interior.

>mine
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Just bought this about a month ago. I really love it so far.
It's a 2013 with only 35k miles on it, so hopefully I won't have to worry about the rod bearings blowing up the engine for a little while.
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I've since swapped out the grills for black m tricolor ones and am currently in the process of replacing the headlights (cunts didn't send me bulbs and usual ones don't fit right)

>>17586261
Woo you're lucky, nice ride man must be a blast to DD that
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>>17586014
Yeah Ti and yeah blue millipoint.

Loving the spots seats but they do have a bit of play in them. I've read somewhere that the seats have bushings that can wear and casue them to move a bit. but I could just go for some lighter seats.

Almost got a set of roadstars for it for a really good price but the seller bailed.

I've got some condor stuff on the way, roofracks, LED bulbs so my brake switch doesn't take a shit and a heap of other shit to install.

I love the ds2s on any e36. How big is your roofrack fairing?
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>>17585589
I've never driven a 335i, but i can tell you that its a blast to drive.
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>>17585485
Pretty much.
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>>17586261
I love the color.
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>>17586291
Thanks, and yeah: it's a bit bumpy (no EDC), but I don't think I'll ever get tired of blasting down onramps at 8k rpm.

>>17586406
Yeah, me too. I passed up a cheaper gray one with less mileage to buy this one, and felt kinda silly at the time, but every time I walk into the garage now I think "that's a fine looking car!"
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'97 E36 M3

>Kosei K1 17x8.5 in 235/40/17 Federal 595 RS-RRs
>Z3 1.9 Rack
>TCKline S/A Coilovers in 400lb Front/500lb Rear, 1 inch drop front/rear (From center of wheel to fender lip: 13.5 inches front 12 inches rear).
>UUC Short Shifter + Linkage and SS Clutch Line
>AKG E21 Trans Mounts and Cups
>Achillies Motorsports Oil Pan Baffle, Z3 2.8 Reinforced Pickup, and Safety Wired Oil Pump Nut
>AKG Front Subframe Reinforcement
>New rubber parts and joints in front end (motor mounts, tierods, lower control arms and bushings, rack guibo, guibo, clutch)

Bad:

>Strut Tower Rust I have to fix
>Tried bleeding 20 year old brake fluid today, ended up making brakes worse AND lost clutch pedal pressure
>No battery tiedown ruins whatever chance I had of going to test it all out at AutoX tomorrow
>Car threw Firestone's alignment machine out of calibration
>Missing bumpstops
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>>17586560
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>>17585409
this isnt a post-n54 era thread, everyone agrees that newer 3->7 series are dogshit
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2009 e92 335i sleeper. Stock silver with no appearance mods.

Bolt-ons:
>VSRF 7" FMIC
>VSRF chargepipe
>Custom 3" catless DP's
>TiAL 50mm BOV
>RB turbo inlets
>BMS DCI (n54 intake meme heh)
>MHD Stage 2+ aggressive tune (~16.5 psi)
>Michelin PSS
>M3 sway bars, control arms
>Eibach pro-kit springs

Soon:
>Fuel-it stage 2 LPFP
>e85 tune to push 430 whp

Just finished replacing my entire cooling system and stripping my head twice in a valve cover gasket replacement.
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Is paying almost 6k for a 1994 530i a terrible idea?
I can't help but love BMW v8s
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>>17586636
Too high
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how stupid would it be to try to weld reinforcement sub frame pieces using a 90a harbor freight welder onto my bmw (big money waster)
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ayyy
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is it possible to swap engine E30 318i with S85 engine?
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>>17588340
Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it i think most people have trouble putting a v8 in it idk if you could squeeze a v10 without fucking up the chassis and going through the firewall
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Is it true that if I get a BMW I'm gonna be spending time and money at a shop fixing it every other month?
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>>17590126
I mean I guess if an I6 with tons of room is hard for you.... at which point it'd be the case for any car you get. If you're afraid to invest time and money into something stick to disposable shitboxes. Most of this board can help you out with that one.
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>>17590153
A shitbox is a car that's going to constantly need work done on it i.e. any bimmer made in the last 20 years
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>>17590180
Thanks for the expert advice, seems very well thought out and structured
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>>17590185
Welcome friend. If you need to bring your car in more than once maybe twice a year it's essentially a shitbox
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>>17585452

Why no V8 anymore?
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>>17590126
if that was the case do you really think people would be daily driving them?
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As someone that knows literally nothing about cars and has only ever needed to open my engine to check relays and put washer fluid in. How plausible would it be for me to do my own maintenance/repairs on a 2011 328i? The car looks wonderful but I'm afraid about maintenance obviously, since I hear mixed things about them here and online has 92k miles on it.
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>>17590236
N52 is super simple as it's a successor to the M54
Great engine overall, won Wards top 10 best engines a few times
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>>17590236
Dude that's an n52 straight six in there, the thing is fucking bulletproof

That's totally what you should buy if you want a bimmer but are worried about the maintenance, that or a 330
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>>17590280
>>17590341
That's good to know thanks. I'll keep looking around but I'll definitely give a call and check this one out then.
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>>17590126
Depends on the condition you get the car in and how old it is. I daily drive a 22 year old 325i, so I obviously need to go to the shop once and again. But since it's pretty low mileage (currently sitting at 60 thousand KMs), it's pretty much small stuff/things deteriorated by time.

Of course, all of that goes out the window if you buy a V10 M5. Please don't do that
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>>17590378
Sure, feel free to post other cars in here if you need second opinions
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My Euro 1988 E30 316i two weeks ago
now the underside has been checked over, welded and resealed. The upgraded 318is suspension that has been sandblasted and powder coated should be on now. Prepping for paint as of now (engine compartment and boot included)
In the end this will be a stock looking fresh as fuck zero rust 316i with 318is drivetrain (with upgrades) and suspension (poly bushings, rebuilt brakes) + a damn sweet adjustable shifter
Dis gon be gud
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>>17584890
E30 body + M54B30 with tune = there ya go
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This, just slightly different but don't want to get stalked.

Just had rod bearings done, and it was just in time. Lots of copper shining through.
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Thinking of buying an 09 328i w/ 102k miles and 6MT. Asking 7900 at a dealer. Is this a decent price? Checking it out tomorrow. Are there other cars of this age and price I should consider?
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>>17585558
Water pump and thermostat replaced. It was pretty damn easy and took around two hours including my trip on the scooter to vatozone to pick up a breaker bar.

Pic related, the old shit
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>>17590236
Me again. Is there anything I should be looking out for when I go to test drive and look at it? I don't know if there's any easy way to check out any of the more typical BMW issues
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>>17590195
>Bringing your car anywhere to be repaired

If you can't fix your own shit don't even bother getting something besides a civic or corolla.

Getting your car repaired at a mechanic is literally like paying a man to fuck your wife because of your own incompetence.
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The never ending project
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>>17591009
What if you can't afford tools or live somewhere without room to work?
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>>17591009
This desu. If you don't grow your own food, hunt for your own meat, fish your own fish, generate your own electricity, make your own clothes, purify your own water, do your own electrical work in your house, build your own house by yourself you're kinda of just a cuck.
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>>17591009
Like I said I'm willing to and would actually like to learn what I can. But there's obviously gonna be some stuff I won't be able to do
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>>17591069
Certainly not with that attitude pussy. You can fucking completely engine swap these vehicles in a garage with a socket set a 30 pack of PBR and a set of big ole fuckin balls between your legs.

>>17591046
I agree completely.

>>17591046
Then you can't afford to own one of these cars.
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I've got some headlights from the previous owner that are causing me some problems. I've asked the dealership and an independent BMW shop to take a look and both said nah because they were aftermarket and didn't know what to do.

I've got a low beam out on my left side and then the halos and eyebrow are out on the right side. I don't think the bulbs are bad because they've flickered before, went out, came back on, flickered again, but now they're out for good. I'm thinking maybe the wiring is bad because it looks like shit to me.

I don't even know what brand they are or where they came from. The only brand name on the lights says SONAR and when I do some googling I find pic related called Spyder. I tried called the Spyderauto website and they were like "yeah that's a common issue imma send you a troubleshooting vid gimme your email" but they never sent me a video and blocked my number.

What should I do? What kind of places can I take the car to to get my headlights fixed? I'm driving on freaking daytimes with fog lights at the moment
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>>17591177
I've done brakes and rotors, replaced radiator and hosing, and done driveshaft repairs on other cars; that is the limit of my experience but I feel able to do repairs of that difficulty. If I were to buy the '09 I mentioned here >>17590663 do you think I could handle maintenance affordably? I'm not familiar with BMWs, but I need a somewhat fast car for 10k or less.
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>>17591360
Wew man so glad I didn't buy those for my e60. Your hunch is almost definitely correct, wires are going bad.

You need to find either an indy german repair shop with good reviews or a shop specializing in automotive lighting. You may have to do some searching and driving but it's worth it.
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>>17591425
If you're not familiar with German cars, maintenance, or money, stay below 100k miles
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>not having an aftermarket water pump with metal impeller
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>>17591570
>taking pictures of your car in the rain to make the paint look less fuckered
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>>17590153
E36 is by definition a shitbox
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Do I really have a lot to worry about with shit breaking on a bimmer if i only drive like 40-60 minutes a day?
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>>17591926
Which one?
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>>17585408
E90s are trash. You will certainly have issues if you keep that car beyond 100k miles.
t. BMW tech
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>>17591935
Sorry should've quoted my other post, the 2011 328i. There's also a 2008 335xi coupe, that might be too small for me though.
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>>17585485
2005 and older 6cyl. BMWs are your best bet. E46 330i, M3 are great, and the E39 530i if you want a mid size. They still have issues, but seem damn near trouble free compared to the garbage that came after that.
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>>17586606
The N-55 is quite possibly the shittiest engine BMW has ever built. It's going to shit the bed on you, I promise , HPFP, turbo issues, carbon build up, water pump/ thermostat, oil leaks galore. It's shit.
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>>17591968
It'll be fine man, engine is dependable
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>>17586636
Way too high. Find a nice 535 if you can. That 3.0 V-8 is pretty weak, the 3.5 big six is much more entertaining to drive.
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>>17588340
Possible yes, but the rest of the car would need to be modified to handle the power, so massive brake upgrades and a suspension setup to match the increased weight and power.
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>>17590280
>N52 is super simple

Seriously, you have no clue what you are talking about. It's considerably more complex than the M54 it replaced. I'm a BMW tech, ask me anything.
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just installed my turbo. getting it tuned
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>>17592030
Why is the coolant system made of plastic?
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>>17592030
Asking a million questions in this thread. But what are some of the things I should be worried about with that 2011 328i? As far as what should I expect to fail on me? Has 92k miles on it, and is that too many? I know miles aren't a huge gauge for the quality of a car but I want to mitigate my spending after buying it. Thanks in advance.
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>>17592053
Because it's cheaper to manufacture. The stuff BMW uses gets brittle after about 80k miles, that is a major weak point with any modern BMW. I've replaced everything on my E39, some things more than once already, and I've only had it about 5 years.
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>>17592046
nice ride friend
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>>17592030
why does the dealership want to charge me $70 for a diagnostic, as in plug in their scan tool to the diagnostic port and pull the fault code
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>>17592059
Electric water pump/thermostat, radiator, coolant hoses, valve cover gaskets, or even the valve cover itself, oil pan gasket, drive belt tensioner, VANOS solenoids, starter motor. That's just powertrain stuff. They also have issues with body electronics. It's better than an early E90, but it's still pretty shit TBQH.
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>>17592095
Because they have a big overhead expense to cover, and the diagnostic equipment the dealerships have is expensive as fuck, so they are trying to recover costs. You might try to find a reputable independent shop, the often have the same equipment and charge less.
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>>17592095
I should also add that when a dealership scans a car, it's every control module in the car, not just the engine. So you get a lot more detailed data on what's going on with your car.
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>>17592131
you can just get a obd2 to bmw 20-pin for like $10 and get all the same info if the scantool is capable
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>>17592141
You might be able to pull generic OBD2 codes, but it's not going to be anything remotely like an Autologic or factory BMW tool. There are some clones out there, but they tend to suck and not have any real software support for coding and programming control units.
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>>17592110
Different guy, but how do F30s compare to E90s?
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>>17592076
That's what I suspected all along, yeah my hoses snapped right apart on contact at 92k but other than that and the water pump it's been fine
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How expensive can owning a used BMW get? Will it really fall apart after 100k? I have two cousins who have each driven BMWs from ~150k to over 200k without major issues.
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>>17593131
Like, please guide me in a good direction. What years and models are good/ what kind of miles should I aim for.
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>>17585632
I have a 97 318 is that I love to death but the starter recently shot itself and the to old ass bolts are stripped I'ma have a hell of a time
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>>17592527
I work at an independent shop, so we have only seen a handful of F30 cars. They seem somewhat better in general so far. I have friends at the dealership, they say they still have their share of issues though.
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>>17593131
It's a total crapshoot. They all have problems and previous owner upkeep is a big question mark since you have to take someones word for it. Any used car purchase is a gamble, bmw's with higher maintenance costs simply make it a larger one. Be able and willing to spend the money should something come up. If you're not then you'd be better off with something that is more reliable and cheaper/easier to fix when it does break.

My e46 has been relatively kind to me over the last 5 years. Maybe $1,000 in maintenance so far. It does need a steering angle and abs pressure sensor now though and that'll be $1,000+ with mechanic friend pricing. Pic related, 5 speed, sport package, Harmon kardon sound.
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>>17593804
>does need a steering angle and abs pressure sensor

It probably needs the control unit. The steering angle sensors do occasionally go bad, but the pressure sensors do not. 99.9% of the time when the ABS/DSC control unit has a pressure sensor fault, it's a bad control unit.
t.BMW tech
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>have E46 328i
>totally reliable, all troublesome bits sorted
>owned 5 years, never missed a bit
>rear arches are starting to rust
Car is only worth £800 or so on a good day, and fixing them would probably cost quite a lot. I can't bring myself to scrap it and take a gamble on another one, but it seems daft to pour money into a practically worthless car. I really like it though. Wat do?
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>>17593983
Yea that could be possible. My friend diag'd it a year or so ago and said it would likely need the angle sensor and/or pressure sensor. He may have mentioned the control unit but I'm not sure. At the time I just had the tcs light on intermittently and he mentioned something about it being likely related to abs as well. Now I have the tcs and abs light on permanently. I'll probably get it fixed once I'm done with school and full time again. Just can't justify the cost right now. As long as the cel isn't on I'll be a happy camper
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Gday lads. Thinking of powder coating my wheels black just to get around the brake dust issue.
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>>17594045
Have you tried running akebono ceramics?
Also, nice car. Looks like you have the same rims I do
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>>17594006
Those control units are a common problem. I drove my E39 around for close to a year with a bad unit until I locked up the brakes hard and nearly rear ended someone on the freeway. Just keep in mind if those ABS/ track lights are on, you have no anti-lock function or traction/stability control. There are rebuilt units available that are substantially cheaper than a new unit. I get parts at cost since I'm a tech, but it was still over $500 for my E39.
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>>17593985
is it a coupe or a sedan?
If coupe i'll buy it off your hands if you're in England
I buy UK bimmers, export them, fix all the rust and stuff, do a RHD>LHD conversion and sell the cars
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I'm shopping for a post-2000 3 or 5 series. How many miles is too many on a BMW? Am I an idiot to consider a higher mileage (130k+) BMW?
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So would buying a BMW as my first car purchase be a terrible decision? Looking at a 2012 coupe. I work a shitty job right now but I can make the payments just fine. Graduating in December and I'll be making considerably more I'm just worried about the in between months of something happening to it and it costing a fuck ton. I don't drive a whole lot, maybe 30 minutes 5 days a week? So crazy tear and wear won't happen. But it's already at 95,000 miles
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>>17594045
>powder coating my wheels black

Eww no

It's a meme. A fad. It'll pass in a couple years then your car will look hilariously dated or try-hard. Like a 2000's car with a big aftermarket spoiler. Instantly dates and ruins the car.

Keep the stock wheels, they're classy yet cool. Good alloys like those ones are timeless.
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>>17595308
wouldn't chance it, get something safe- you can always upgrade and buy an even better car once you graduate and really make those big bucks, that way you can mitigate a large portion of the secondhand bmw risk.
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>>17595359
would also like to add that it looks to be an ex-lease and it was likely driven hard with that mileage, just makes me worry for you.
stay sub 50k miles if possible.
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>>17595359
That's what the smarter side of me says to do too. Just been driving a crappy car for so long and it finally crapped out on me I wanted to finally drive something nice.
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>>17585589
very. remove the redline (just get a bpc tune on top of a few bolt ons) and you'll be laughing
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Wasn't there a website where you can put your BMW's VIN and it shows you all the parts and part numbers that are compatible with it?

Or am I thinking about something else?
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>>17595640
Wait, I think I found it already, is it RealOEM.com?
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Got my e36 a couple months ago and I love it.Put underglow on it cause I have bad tastes. Only 80k miles too. Want to find a hard top for it, but HOLY FUCK are they impossible to find.
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What do you guys think of the 1987 528e? I got my hands on one for $750. It runs but has a misfire. And the 15-pin connector to read the check engine is nowhere to be found. Some BMW place will check it for $350 but I think the issue may be the o2 sensor. Pic isn't mine btw but it's the same color.
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Currently considering buying an e39 m5 as my only car, how dumb am I?
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>>17597332
Pretty dumb if you're not a mechanic
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>>17592094
tyvm
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E36 316i compact

WHAT YOU KNOW ABOUT ENGINE SWAPS BOOOOIIIISSSS
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>want to buy rwd driving machine
>e60 looks old and has electrical problems
>e9x 330i engines are said to be problematic
>F10/F11 isn't sporty
>F3x are worse than E9x cars
>e39/ e46 are high milage turk cars around here
>4-cylinders have timing chain issues
>1-series only come as 125/ 130i with 6cylinders and are way too expensive

Which one is the shiniest turd? Narrowed it down to either an e46 330i touring or an 1-series
I kinda wish I wasn't knowing so much about cars
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>>17590196
Late reply, mostly because I hate American cars due to my blind fanboyism and brand loyalty.
BMW V8's on the other hand make me do stupid shit, like strqight pipes and drifting it around the company parking lot till the transmission fails.
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About to commit suicide.
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>>17599434

Do it, fgt
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>>17594045
Google Iron X/Iron removers, let it sit for 60sec and power wash it off. Clean wheels if done weekly.
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e36 Fanboi here
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>>17598768
I'm pretty okay with cars and I have access to a lift
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>>17594136
It is a saloon I'm afraid, and I am in Scotland which probably explains the rust. Seems a decent idea you have, they are stupidly cheap here.

Have you attempted rear arch repairs then? How much effort is it?
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>>17599757
Should be fine then, just do not expect that v8 to be reliable
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>>17600220
It'll be reliable as long as it's taken proper care of. Shit, there's that one anon who dailies a bunch of ancient V12.
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>>17599445
Is it any different/better than sonax?
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>>17599757
I'm hoping it'll be reliable with preventative maintenance and good oil changes. The only thing I'm worried about now is rod bearings on the s62
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>>17600281
Never tried sonax.
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>>17600254
Well yeah it's not like it's waiting to fall apart like an n54, it's just more complicated than other engines of its time and needs more babying or else it can become a big headache
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>>17598833
what's your budget?
A low mileage E60 won't bring you any electrical issues. Actually electrical issues are not so big on any e60.
T. 500k km E60 diesel owner
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>>17596860
3, 6, 9 STANDING REAL FINE MOVE IT TO YOU SUCK IT TO ME ONE MO' TIME
GET LOW, GET LOW, GET LOW, GET LOW
TO THE WINDOW, TO THE WALL TO THE WALL
TO THE SWEAT DROP DOWN MY BALLS TO ALL YOU BITCHES CRAWL
TO ALL SKEE SKEE MOTHERFUCKER, ALL SKEE SKEE GOT DAM TO ALL SKEE SKEE MOTHERFUCKER, ALL SKEE SKEE GOT DAM
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Sold it ;(
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>>17600662
1M Coupe?
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>>17600676
yep
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>>17600685
shit, you should've waited a few years for the value to go up even more.
I'd probably never sell it because it's one of the best drivers cars ever made imo
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New Phantom gets unveiled tomorrow, who else is excited?
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>>17596860
On a side note, how common is fucky electrical for theese things? My drivers tail light was being compensated by the turn signal. When I had my head lights on and signaled left, the hole back end went crazy, almost like I had my hazards on. After some investigating I figured it was a ground issue or wires going bad. Because when I pushed gthe plug in the light slightly to the left, everything worked fine. So I zip tied it in place cause im a lazy fuck, but then I went to put the top down and the little mini trunk the top folds into wouldnt open, and the top got minor fucked up on the passenger side and went a little loose. I got it back (mostly) to how it should be, so no leaks. Is there a diagram for the grounds, or any common places the wires tend to rub and fuck up?
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My new ride
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>>17602032
Nice. Much better than four wheels.
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Does no-one owns a 1?

It's pretty comfy.
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Does anyone know the song that uses E31 images and videos? Kinda retro wave vibe. I found it here and can't remember the title...I tried asking on QTDDTOT and nobody replied
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>>17602100

Love my 1er
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so im set on an e30 and my uncle whos a mechanic told me I should just put up the cash and buy a good 325i even though theyre really expensive in my area.
Cant I just buy a cheap 316 and swap a 2jz or whatever else at a later stage?
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>>17602248
>>17602100
my friend has a 1 series, theyre alright but they have a LOT of plastic in them, my old ass e46 has better materials than his 1 series. I know its entry level but it feels cheap as fuck.
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>>17597226
some shitty dealer is selling one for like 6k euros near me but it has a factory bodykit on it or some shit, it does look a lot better than the one in ur pic. Definitely not worth 6k for a 520i doe.
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i love the new bmws. they seemed to have stepped up a lot in terms of build and material quality. they're so comfy now. the new 7 series is godlike. minimalistic, yet luxurious.
>inb4 can you have a reliable bmw?
every eastern european lad has owned a 530d e39 at some point. and fucking hell,they can take some beat and last well past 400k km.
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>>17602260

Between the chassis size and hydraulic steering, they're a ton of fun to drive. I don't pay much attention to the interior.
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>>17584226
Who
/midohio/ here?
Any buck eye BMWs?
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>>17590460
all that work for shitty power? just put a better engine in it, even another bmw engine if you dont wanna get a 1jz or some shit.
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>>17602100
I have an 09 e82. Its pretty fucking great.

Love it. Tracking it next month.
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>>17598806
IF ITS PRE 96 PLUG AND PLAY M50 SWAPS

IF ITS 96+ PLUG AND PLAY M52 SWAPS

JUST HAVE TO DELETE EWS
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>>17598833
E46 325 or 328 is really good and probably in your budget.

You don't loose alot of power against the 330 but won't suffer from the 3L harmonic issues.

Grab a cheap set of headers from raceland and tune and it will have plenty of power
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>>17601867
E36s have a problem around the boot where insulation on cables gets worn away from opening and closing the boot and can cause shorts and fires.

Check that
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>>17602257
You'll hate yourself for a long time.

A 2jz swap isn't like a couple of weeks of work. A guy I used to work with did the swap and it took him a little less then a year.
m52 swap is reasonably simple but I would shell out for the 325 or anything better than a 316 so you don't bore yourself to death.
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i have a 2003 e46 316i and the stock 1.8 engine is smoking quite a lot, not always but sometimes. What are my options if I wanna swap the engine, any easy swaps?
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>>17602515
Alright thanks
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>>17594054
was looking into those and other options but everyone says they don't bite as hard.

>Looks like you have the same rims I do
Don't tease me like that baby. bost bics

>>17595313
Thanks m8. A lot of me agrees with you

>>17599434
Tell us wat happen.
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>>17602520
m54b25.

There should be heaps of info on the forums, should be plug and play with the exception of EWS or whatever security is built in.

If you swap in another 4 cyl you probably won't need a new trans or anything but for the 6 cyl you'll need the full drivetrain
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Somebody suggest me some rims for a 2004 E60 please. I need new tires and I thought now would be a good opportunity to switch the stock rims out.
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>22 drive an 8 year old used bimmer that was 11k financed
>people for some reason think I'm a spoiled rich kid just because I drive a BMW
So this is the power of memes
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>>17584226
should i buy an 170k e28 353is as my first car and DD?
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>>17602658
Do you mean the 535?

The m30 in those is pretty much indestructible. just do the ignition parts and the thing will run real nice.
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>>17602571
thanks, what about the m54b30 since ill be replacing the drivetrain like you said
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>>17602500
>boot
Thanks for the advice anon, but whats a 'boot' in reference to cars?
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>>17602666
yeah i meant 535, my disexlia kicked in.
my dad doesnt like the idea of "such and old car with that many miles being reliable" but i keep telling him how good of a reputation it has and that the PO has kept up with the repairs and has even added coilovers

also checked
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>>17602688
trunk
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>>17602672
>>17602672
I personally don't like the b30 because of harmonic issues, I like the b25.

But its the same engine besides the crank so it wil fit for suure
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>>17602628
It's literally just the badge
Had the same thing a couple times with my beat up e36
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Bought a 330 coupe a few weeks ago. Six speed. Love it to death. Pic related doesnt do it justice. Phone cameras fucked up
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>>17602944
One more
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>>17602944
Love the blue. There's a 328i that's a nice royal blue for sale but it's like 2 hours away, fuck that
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>>17600474
Budget is 18k€ in germany
My father had an 530i and every second drive there was some minor error popping up like cruise control failing. Could've been resolved in later models since his was one of the first ones from 2003

>>17602498
>3L harmonic issues
What's that? Also the 328 is down 40hp compared to the 330i while having the same fuel economy
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>>17584918
If she was messican, you are fucked kid.
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>>17584918
Always call cops and request incident report. Always get copy of DL/ins card if the twat will give it to you.
Always take multiple pictures of the car and license plate and of the twat if she doesn't run away first.
Always get info from witnesses.
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>>17585692
And have small hands.
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My e39 driver seat/steering wheel adjust computer died. Gonna go buy a new one on ebay tonight. Wish me luck.
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>>17604439
It seems like the m5x motors have a safe limit of about 2.8 litres as an aluminium block. All m3s came with iron blocks so they aren't affected. The m54b30 motor seems to suffer wrong harmonics that can't be damped by the dampener because of the stroke length. People who run these motors at high rpm alot see increased oil consumption compared to other motors and even failure.

Guess it just depends on whether you are going to rev the car alot or just use the torque.

The other motors were tuned pretty conservatively that's why you see such a divide in outputs. M3 headers or copies and a tune unlocks a fair bit of power in the lower displacement motors and gives you a smoother motor.
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>>17604477
Good luck anon
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>>17604481
That's news to me, thank you
Sadly I can't just change hardware and tune a car in germany, it'll get pretty expensive to get it through inspections. The car would see both 10km commutes to work and WOT autobahn trips alone with some abuse in the twisties
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>>17604658
not even headers and an of the shelf tune?

I'd take the 325 or 328 but then again I could do the above easily.

any of them will be good cars anon. the 330 won't shit the bed really badly, its probably just something to keep in mind
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>>17602538
Tried wet sanding a clear coat run.
I knew I should have practised on some lesser car but whats done is done, going to try touch up kit next, can't be worse than that.

Crazy how fast and easily it chewed thru the corner, took quite a bit time and effort to cut the clear run.
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>>17603007
Yeah luckily i didnt have to go that far from me to find this one. Got lucky.
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are e90 320d any reliable
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My 335i
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>>17605901
What year? How's it treating you?
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want your opinion on 2 cars, /o/. Not sure which to get

both e46 coupes, one is a 325 manual, but almost no options. $3000 less than the other car.

The other car is a 330 fully loaded including ZHP. It is unfortunately automatic, though. And 15k miles more.

Opinions?
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There's a 2011 328i with xDrive and only 70,000 miles on it. Pretty sure it's decked out too. It's 14,500 though. Could I get it down to 13.5 do you think or no? It's been on the lot for a few months now
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>>17606126
just buy the one that is in the best condition.
go see both cars in real life if u can.
Both will be similarly quick because the 325 has no equipment=less weight and 330 is fully equipped+auto trans=heavy
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>>17606378
i've seen them both, they are the same color, 330 has the nicer exterior, but the 325 has the nicer interior

if only the 330 was manual, fuck. maybe i'll just keep looking
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>>17599434
Still not happy but atleast it isn't that bad.
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Im gonna be getting a "new" car in a couple weeks, and Im pretty torn on which car of these 3 to get. The car will be my daily.

Im leaning heavily towards the E92 M3, but the rwd factor is my only concern. Im a Canadian living near Niagara Falls, so snow is a bit of an issue.

Any ideas?
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>>17606905
rwd isn't that big of a deal if you're experienced and have snow tires
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>>17606905
rwd is fun on snow, just get good tires
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Cracked a rim lads. Run flat tyres are shit.
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*tips fedora*
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>>17605857
bump
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>>17605857
Yes, if you don't have one of the engines that suffer from timing-chain issues which are either the really old 163hp versions or engines built between 06/10 and 07/11 (or the engine has been repaired and already got the newer timing chain)
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>>17605857
My father has late 2008 e92 with 110kkm on the clock and so far he had to replace rear brake light bulb, nothing else.
I'd say they are quite reliable althought the diesel is starting to make concerning noises while idling.
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The last pic I took of it.
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>>17606372
Do you guys think for even 14k it would be a decent deal? Only other used BMWs within 3 hours are either 30k plus or beat to hell rusted ones that are 20 years old.
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>>17607855
Nah dude too high it's worth 12.5 at the very most
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>>17605980
Its a 2008. Been good other than the turbos rattle a little. Not sure if i want to go stock or just upgrade to rb. I have a very mild mhd tune right now but if i upgrade im upgrading to jb4 and a ton of parts upgrades.
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>>17607560
>>17607769
im looking at a 2006 manual one with 165k km for 6k euro
link related
http://www.merrjep.al/Njoftimi/Shitet/Fier/AUTOMJETE/Makina/BMW/Seri-3/320/BMW-320-d-cat-Futura/4453402
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why do I want an E39 so badly

FUCK
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>>17606923
>>17606939
How does it compare to awd when onnamountain? I'm up by the Rockies with shitty weather and road conditions, and I'm leaning towards awd right now.
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So this guy wants $5700 for his 1997 328is. I offered him $3000 and she said I must be joking. Thing is, KBB values her car at $1900. I only offered more because it had lower miles and I really wanted it. Is it really worth that much? There are literally E46 330i for that price.
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>>17609633
Mind my pronouns, it's a woman's car but her dad bought it new and sold it to her years ago.
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Dumb question. Are bimmers with xDrive always AWD or can you switch between that and rwd/fwd?
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>>17609691
Always AWD. The 2018 M5 will be the first car to be able to switch it on and off.
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>>17609633
just buy the e46 then or wait it out till they get bored of it not selling.

everyone who puts a car up for too high a price eventually moves down.

keep in mind though that value based on a book means almost nothing depending on the car. the market for a certain car can go up and down. you have to take into account other cars of similar spec
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Is it worth driving 50 mi to get some error codes cleared from a bmw coder (and possibly other cool stuff like idrive disclaimer delete and key fob folding mirrors) or should I just go to a local diagnostic that works on all cars for general problems?
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Just applied to BMW motorrad.
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>>17609272
They're such great cars man. I love mine to death.
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Dear BMW fagboys,

How does it feel being poor?

Sincerely and Laughing at you,
An AMG owner.
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>>17610537
How does it feel to be a badgewhore?
How does it feel to have a big V8 and an open diff? lmfao
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>>17610413
local diagnostic can do it, as long as isn't brand new like f30/f10, those scanner are so cheap though can be had like $30-50 you just need a laptop desu.
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>>17610537
2/10 bait, merc V8s L I T E R A L L Y sound like they're about to fall apart
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Do you guys use top grade fuel or one step below?
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>>17611020
Ironically enough the local diagnostic guy only works on brand new models (15-17 he said)

The other dude isn't even answering, I don't think the adaptive headlight error is hurting anything so whatever
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>>17611884
Top grade shell or chevron only but primarily shell
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>>17610413
>the local "independent bmw specialist" claims he couldn't code anything because my car is too old and not compatible with his scanner
I have a fucking e60
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>>17585044
>>17585407
>>17604448
>>17604454
Update: she gave me some phone number of some guy named "gabe". I gave him a call and he asked me to text him the picture of the car and tell him what parts I needed. He said he'll get them for me.

Maybe everything will turn out okay.
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>>17612302
>I have a fucking e60
Yep me too, most of the apps are for brand new ones too otherwise I would do it myself

Honestly I think they're just being fucking jews because they know they can charge more to some richfag with a 2017 model
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e36 vs e46 reliability?
looking at 325i and 328i models for both. i drive about 8k miles a year in california. im mechanically inclined but want something that wont leave me stranded, what would you guys think is the better choice?
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>>17612372
328i is pretty rock solid. Don't know about the 325i
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>>17586606
What tune are you on? also how hard was it to install the turbo inlets?

I also have a 10 n54 335i and planning on installing the downpipes and motor/transmission mounts this weekend
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>>17612372
New as possible 330i if its just a daily driver.
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I'm new to bmws, but I saw a nice looking 87 528e on Craigslist with ~120k miles. Would it be a decent reliable daily? Any common problems?
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>>17612979
I daily 87 528e with 310k miles. They are pretty reliable cars I actually just came back from 4k mile roadtrip with no issues. Look for one that has been maintained. Look for rust in the trunk its common for the trunk seal and tail light gaskets to go bad, also check window and sunroof seals for leaks, pretty much check anything made of rubber such as vacuum hoses, brake lines, bushings ect.. Also it's common for them to have some weird electrical gremlins but nothing major. It's pretty common for the odometer gears to break but it's cheap and easy to replace. They are pretty easy to work on and parts aren't expensive. If you do get it replace all fluids, change timing belt, adjust the valves and you're good to go.
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>need a new power steering pump
>cost $250
>was saving up to buy a touchscreen stereo

We'll, I guess the stereo will have to wait.
Also, should I buy it from esc tuning or are there better alternatives?
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Fug why do they have to have such bad MPG? My wife is gonna be upset when she sees it costs as much to fill up this as it did my huge ass truck
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>>17584226
So, a few questions.

1) Are there are there any V8 BMW engines that aren't unreliable or prone to issues?
2) Are there any known reliability problems with the S54 series of engines?
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Fuck. So apparently both the 2011 328is I was looking at are the SULEV version, only said it on the carfax. Should I not even bother with them now?
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>>17613930
I live in NY if that influences the answer
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Hi guys,

I've got a 2004 E60 approaching 150k miles soon and I recently hydroplaned it causing some minor cosmetic damage and a noticable vibration at speeds of 70+mph. Rather than put thousands worth of work into the car (tires, rims, dents, bumper, headlights, not to mention the pre-existing faults) I've decided to get a new car.

I'm considering looking into either an F10 or an F30, both of which are plentiful with many under 100k miles and below $20k. Are they good cars? Lurking here have produced some strong opinions on them but I'm not sure if it's memeing or seriousness.

tl;dr Are F10s and F30s decent cars? I can get a 2011 535i with 80k miles and in immaculate condition for $14k.
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>>17612372
Looking at the same 2 cars you are. After doing some research I'm starting to lean away from the E36. Lots of people saying they spent 4-7k a year for 3 years to keep their cars on the road. (Not even M3) "But it's worth it"

Yeah, no it isn't.

Not sure if every E36 is this bad, but not sure I want to take the risk. I thought they would be affordable considering I only see young guys driving them.
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Does anyone know what obd2 app and tool are best? Don't have a laptop screen I need to use my phone.

Is carly good?

>>17613890
1) no
2) vanos, rod bearings
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>>17614165
But it is
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>>17613990
>>17613930

Avoid them. Not worth it at all unless you can get them for way cheaper (I'd say 4,000-5,000) than a comparable 328i.
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>>17614165
If you've spent that much money on an e36 in that short amount of time then the car was badly abused. An e36 should need standard maintenance items, (cooling, all the other meme shit) and that's it. And that's not that expensive.
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>>17615477
Do they break down faster or is it because it costs more to fix? They're literally the only ones near me within 100 miles that I can afford, next one is 10k more. Theres a 335i coupe but I've heard that one is unreliable.
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>>17615555

Just the design of the engine means that any fixes will be a nightmare.

For the right car I think you should be willing to travel. I drove 4 hours to get my current BMW, so expand your search beyond 100 miles if you can.

Where are you?
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>>17615566
In central new York. With a job, baby and wife it'd be very hard to travel that far to be completely honest. I'd love to but I just don't know if it would be possible.
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>>17615583
That sucks.

Eventually something will come up, or maybe you can just get a car thats not an E90?
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What's the cheapest 6cyl manual BMW I can get? Live in Midwest USA
Cheapest also meaning over time as well
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>>17615693
E34 520
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>>17614038
>14k for a F10 535i
Wtf are those prices, the cheapest comparable car here costs 21k€ (and has the small satnav)
For that kind of money I'd import it back to germany
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>>17616154
Yeah I'd like to know too, here in california that will get you an e60 535i at best
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>>17602448
Kill yourself.
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I have a 320i e36 that recently just shat itself. How would I be able to test if it's the injectors or the pump/fuel line stopping the engine?
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>>17615511
Hmm, well that's good to know
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>>17614165
Don't buy shitty cars with 200.000km on them. Or 50.000km ones which obviously manipulated Odometers. Or ones that have never seen a proper maintenance / shop.
My brother has been driving his 6 Cycl. (dunno which exact model) E36 Cabriole for more than 6 years daily, always kickdown and no proper warm up... nothing besides minor stuff and regular maintenance. Bought off some richfag that only drove it on Sundays and let BMW do all the maintenance.
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>>17616696
200k km is fine if the car had a proper owner.
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so this is just happened on me today closing the hood after checking fluid oil etc, the kidney grill pop out wtf so fucking dumb bmw...i'm not even slamming it...I checked the plastic clip is complete trashed/broken now what? I couldn't find replacement everywhere it's a pre facelift e46 year 2000.

>>17616525
when the last time you replace fuel pump? try to slam/knock/bang it when starting(remove rear seat first), did you hear pinging high pitch snek sounds? if yes fuel pump bust.
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R8 my babby
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>>17617511
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>>17617525
do you have snow tyres? did you get out of that pile?
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How bad of an idea would an e36 m3 be as a first car? Mainly in terms of cost to own.
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>>17617532
Yeah eventually lol and no snow tires, I foolishly got the diff sized front and rear tires so I literally cannot put anything on there besides Pirellis without buying new wheels (lol)

Kill me
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>>17591953
But E36s and E46 are also trash. In fact, the E90 is often regarded as the most reliable 3 series up to its introduction. Are all 3 series trash? Are all BMW trash?
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>>17617678
>But E36s and E46 are also trash
lul Okay pal. Anything that goes wrong aside from subframe cracks on faster models, can be dealt with by preventative maintenance.
>In fact, the E90 is often regarded as the most reliable 3 series
Meanwhile, E90
>unavoidable $6000 turbo replacement
>constant HPFP issues
Unless you're talking about a 328 or worse yet, 323, in which case who gives a fuck how reliable it is, it's boring and slow and not even good on gas to make up for it.
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Are sulev engines actually more prone to breaking than their normal counterparts? They have the same performance it just seems crazy that a bill to fix it would be like 2x or more
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Hey /o/, /g/ here trying to get into cars.

I've been looking at the 530e, but I really don't have much knowledge about cars. Is this a good vehicle or are there any issues with it that should prevent me from buying?
Thanks in advance
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>>17617841
Original turbos commonly make it over 100k and the hpfp is a one and done deal
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>>17586726
>>17590153
Beautiful. JESUS.
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>>17584890
maybe if you have an automatic
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>>17617907
>hpfp is a one and done deal
lol no
bmw tech
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>not posting the thread theme
>>17602227
Not sure if you managed to find it on your own but here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pbzUBg_AjY
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>>17618623
Glorious
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Just bought a e46 320ci M sport for £2000. Not bad considering the condition.
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Hello boys.
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i got lucky and got one with just a bad diff
e46 m3 phenoix yellow manual
what color should i wrap it goys?
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>>17617554
>E36 M3
>first car
Wow, I hope you are a rich boi (don't care if you earn it yourself or daddy pays).
Alone the insurance will be insane as a beginner driver with high percentages. Not to mention that M3 parts are expensive as well, so even more bleeding money wise. Gas cost? Depends on where you live, expect 10-17 liters depending on your driving profile/style.
Buy one if you're rich, if not, forget the M3.
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>>17619480
Dark blue or silver
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>>17619325
Looks clean nice find
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>>17584226
where is your m3 bumper?
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>>17619950
As a person that actually owns one if he does his own work (which there will be a lot of) and doesn't expect it to be a reliable car (garaged in the snow and can use his parents car when it breaks) it'll be no worse than any other 20-25 year old sports car that originally cost the equivalent of $60,000 today.
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Why is every damn 328i the sulev version? What other BMWs are on the more solid and reliable side? Because I can't find one of these near me or even three hours from me
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>dealership quotes $1600 to fix car
>do it myself for $2

feels good, man
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>>17620542
>small hidden crack in sunroof frame leaking water into footwell down side pillars
>dealership wants $2700 and the car for 2 weeks
>spend sunday afternoon fixing it with sealant for under $20
>BMWS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE DONT BUY ONE
Love it
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Hey guys, the battery on my mothers e53 X5 (2004 3.0L no xDrive) died and I'm gonna swap it out. I did some research on my own and it seems like I don't need to do any of BMWs battery registration bullshit, anyone have an experience to the contrary? Want to know before I waste my time.
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>>17620787
From what I heard bmw carly can "register" the battery now
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>>17620532
Where do you live? Gotta be patient with BMWs. It took me 8 months to find the E92 I wanted, could have settled several times
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>>17620907
Yeah it can, looking into getting it myself for an adaptive headlight error but I know for sure you can do batteries with it for $10
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>>17620777
Hey mind if I ask you something sunroof related?

My sunroof won't close all the way unless I hold down the plastic thing that sticks up when it's open because the sunroof gets jammed on it when it tries to close. Have you or any other anons encountered this issue?
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>>17620966
Which model?
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>>17620973
530i 2007
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>>17620991
Funny, that's the exact year and model I was talking about in my post. I guess the E60 must have shitty a sunroof? I've owned an E39 and E92, both of which had really solid sounding mechanisms.

I don't know how to fix your problem but I can tell you in order to diagnose it yourself you've gotta disconnect the battery, wait 15-30 minutes, then remove the headliner to get in there. Weekend project for sure
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>>17621024
Damn I knew it would take some work but I was hoping for a quick fix somehow

Yeah the sunroof is fucked on these, my e39 530i sunroof was perfect never had any problem with it. Oh well at least it's just the sunroof and not the engine that causes problems
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>>17621031
Yeah problems with the sunroof are a real bitch to deal with, still better to DIY it though if you get a chance
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>>17621205
god damn N54's are known for that shit too.
old shop foreman's car spit out a serp belt. "shit, a/c compressor is toast" replaced it (and the compressor WAS toast) and it ended up spitting out a belt less than a week later.

turns out the bracket holding on the power steering pump loosened off (one bolt actually fell out) and the one-way clutch on the alternator failed, which is what likely caused the first belt to fail in the first place.

if people keep driving with the serp belt all chewed up, bits of the belt can wrap around the harmonic balancer and force it was past the front main seal.
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>>17621123
>still better to DIY it though if you get a chance

Oh yeah, this is a philosophy for all bimmer owners, shops and dealers try to milk you dry which is where the memes come from
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>you know what it's worth
So, what IS it worth?
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>>17621303
>make an offer
Pure fucking cancer. He will literally never accept anything. I'm so glad Reddits selling subs force people to list their prices for shit.
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>>17621339
I know, which is a shame, because I am actually extremely interested. But I know this guy probably wants like $15,000 or some crazy shit.
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First Car buyer, Heart set on a BMW, Love the look of the e30s but safety and the ongoing hassle of service costs and unreliability. Any suggestions on a reliable BMW without a too expensive upkeep? I was thinking of a a 2001 BMW 325Ci E46
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>>17620946
>>17620907
Sorry this is so late, i posted the question and completely forgot, but thanks so much for the info I'll definitely take a look.
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Anyone got experience with the 518i 115ps (M43 motor) build after ~1994? (Maintenance cost after 110km+, build quality, noise inside, city fuel economy (relaxed driving), drive quality - yada yada no 525i with 192ps 6 cyl. yeah yeah...). Yes, I know about the rust problems.
With a bit of luck, it looks like one could be available for 2-3,5k (Germany) with aircon and the small BC.


Reason: I'm going to sell my E90 320d 2010 and want something much cheaper since I will barely drive the car (from 90-100km daily) or only 4.5km to work if the weather sucks too hard - bonus, I can park it inside my own garage.
Or maybe I should just get a Golf V 1.6...
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So the 2008 335xi has really good reviews
But people here say the engine in it is unreliable and should be avoided
Wants the troof here? There's a 2008 coupe with 84k miles near me, was thinking of at least test driving it
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