What are some brands of tools that are made in NOT China? I tried

>>17503974

>It's like buying Chinese shit is the norm and nobody questions it.

That's mostly because it is....

Back in the day (like 10 years ago), chinese made stuff was considered junk, and rightly so. The manufacturing facilities didn't have the capability to accurately heat treat or machine parts, plastic blends were badly mixed and poorly formed, tolerances were generally whatever they ended up being and were rarely bothered about, and everything that came from there was just generally trash.

In the modern day tho, there are quite a few plants that can machine and cast parts just as well as their domestic counterparts, and in some cases better. As machine prices have come down and automation has taken over a lot of jobs, accuracy in tolerances and blends have been improved, casting technology, both metal and plastic, have improved drastically, and in general, china can now compete on a global stage when it comes to making durable equipment. It may not be the absolute best, but it's generally just as good as something made domestically for double the price.

tldr; quit bitching about chinese made crap. It's not as junk as it used to did.

snap-on

>>17504018
>It's not as junk as it used to did.


It is still junk though, its just that their quality control has only gotten slightly better as to weed out the blatantly bad crap.

The stuff that does make it over here still doesn't last as long.

Sincerely t. guy who works for a company that imports 90% of its sold product from China.

>>17504043
You can go ahead and admit you work at Harbor Freight...

>>17504018
when i bought Chicago pneumatic, it said made in japan. is that worse or better than usa?

>>17504051
Harbor freight doesn't sell shit to Home Depot last I checked......

>>17504057
Chicago Pneumatic is good shit. And yes, the Nip make excellent products.

Harbor Freight's Central Pneumatic is garbage.

>>17504057
>Is Japan worse or better than USA?

If you have to ask this question you don't belong here.

>>17503974
I have a bunch of tools made in India but I don't remember the brand name off the top of my head, I can find it later if you want.

Pittsburgh's newer stuff is nice.

>>17504091
Pittsburgh is shit, Pittsburgh Pro is pretty good though. There's a big difference between the two. Fact is, I'd put the Pro's on par with Sunex or Powerbuilt.

The main problem with Pittsburgh Pro is, they don't include all sizes. For example, in their impact sockets, they don't make an 18mm. WTF?!?! How the fuck do you not make an 18?!? Pretty much every single suspension fastener in a given Ford is an 18.

I guess HF figures Fords are pretty rare cars, and so most people won't be working on them.

>>17504107
I've seen sets of Pittsburgh not include 17's and 13's which aside from 10mm are the most common bolts on any German car made.

>>17504084
India is even worse.

>>17504120
then be happy with your chink tools and shut the fuck up faggot

>>17504107
>they don't make an 18mm
Because they know that you can hammer on a 3/4".

>>17504119
>no 13 or 17

That's insane. Pure insane. And people wonder why they have a reputation of being trash. (Other than the fact that yes, a lot of HF really is trash)

>>17504150
3/4 will NOT work on an 18. 3/4 is 19, not 18. Put a 3/4 on an 18, and you'll strip the fuck out of it.

are HF box wrenches any good? I just need a set to work on my car, nothing professional

>>17504174
Just get Craftsmen

>>17504180
but they're also made in China, so what's the difference?

>>17504174
They have a lifetime warranty, you can bring them back for exchange.

Buy Stahlwille, if you can afford it.

I use Stahlwille, Bahco, Gedore, TengTools and Hitachi at work, works fine.
Use shitty Chinese shit at home, works fine too.

>>17504180
This. Get a tool where you get a good warranty. You can shake your fist at sears and probably get brand-new sets.

>>17504019
>strap-on
There older tools were great bc they were actually made here. Now they send to China for manufacturing and you can get the same quality w/o the brand name. I rather not spend $600+ for a torque wrench. Husky, HF pro, etc. can turn the same bolt and if it breaks you go back to your warranty.

I buy Sonic

>>17504180
Craftsman Professional, you mean. Regular Craftsman is pretty shittacular nowadays.

>>17504190
Different companies have different levels of QA, Craftsman typically has better tolerances on their tools.

Either will get the job done honestly if you use them correctly

>>17504211
I live right next to a Home Depot, should I just buy husky then if I want cheap but okay tools with warranty?

>>17504230
Unless you use it in a professional basis, cheap is good.

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>>17504237
thanks man

>>17504079
so worse then. ill try to find old usa made stuff

>>17504230
yup

not their impact sockets though, shit is the exact same stuff as HF, fit and finish are identical, probably came from the same factory

>>17504230
If you want cheap tools it's ok, just buy wrenches and sockets to begin with. Eventually you'll get rachets, extensions, hex/torx bits. There the more expensive brands will get you a more complete set.

Don't cheap out on screwdrivers or ratchets. Quality screwdrivers won't strip screws, and quality ratchets won't break and give you lots of throw.

>>17504264
>Quality screwdrivers won't strip screws

>He's never come across the lead headed screw that was personally screwed in by Hercules Chinese brother.

>>17504264
>Quality screwdrivers won't strip screws

I've stripped screws with TengTools screwdrivers.
Shitty screws strip anyway

>>17504267
I swear some chink screws are just plastic with metallic paint

>>17504278
>I swear some chink screws are just plastic with metallic paint


This so much, I just havent figured out how they got screwed in there without stripping in the first place.

>>17504251
Just go back to /r/cars dude.

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>>17504370
how do you feel about Hazet?

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>>17504251
Yeah you don't belong here.

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>>17504267

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>>17503974
Taiwan is generally a pretty good midden ground as far as quality and pricing of tools.

>Knipex (germany) is best for pliers
>Snap on (usa) have the best ratchets while gearwrench (taiwan) is a good middle ground
>Gearwrench for ratchet wrenches as well
>Mayhew (usa) is probably the gold standard for pry bars, punches, chisels, and other simple forged tools
>sunex and grey pneumatic (taiwan) make good cr-mo impact sockets
>wera, wiha, and pb Swiss all make great screwdrivers
>milwaukee, dewalt, makita, rigid are your best bet for cordless tools and while they're generally made in china they usually have pretty skookum shit
>aircat, cp, ingersoll, and astro are the leaders in pneumatic tools

There's only so many tool manufacturers left, but garage journal is a good place to learn about them.

>>17504575
>>milwaukee, dewalt, makita, rigid are your best bet for cordless tools and while they're generally made in china they usually have pretty skookum shit

Not sure about Willfuckye and DeWilt (due to them now just being brands of some China corp), but the main Makita stuff is still manufactured in Japan.
The Maktec line, now branded as Makita MT, is the same mouldings and parts as old (1/2 generations ago) Makita tools, but with the moulds shipped over to manufacturing lines in China and operated by local staff.

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>>17504575
The "sad" truth is that for 98% of the guys on here (myself included) just about any brand will do, as we don't use our tools professionally or heavily enough to warrant something like Snap-On & Hilti

I've "invested" in a good bit of Ryobi tools, and I plan on continuing as I like One+ battery platform and all the tools/gadgets in it, aswell as the pricing being quite agreeable

>buy a brand of tool but it ends up a shitty chink garbage
>return said tool and buy more expensive but better reputed competitor tool
>it's the exact same chink shit the only difference is literally just the sticker abd pruce

>>17504384
Hazet is the Snap-On of Germoney

>>17504615
>I've "invested" in a good bit of Ryobi tools, and I plan on continuing as I like One+ battery platform and all the tools/gadgets in it, aswell as the pricing being quite agreeable
This. Ryobi has a price sweet spot.

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>>17504615
You'll be glad to know that Ryobi, Ridgid, and Milwaukee are pretty much the same shit, but with different colors to denote different price points.

All three are owned by the ChiCom company TTI.

I'll tell you this though, I had a Ryobi 1/2" 18V impact, and it was a total and complete piece of shit. Fucker wouldn't even loosen a non-rusted muffler bolt. It was that shit-tier.

Sold that fucker, bought a Snap-On CT6850 with two good batteries and the charger off of eBay for $156 shipped.

That, my nigger, is a fucking tool. I've only gotten my pneumatic out once since I got this beast. (Trying to get the axle nut off of a CR-V. Cheater bar didn't even work)

>>17504639
you mean snap on doesn't sell in Germany? why not?

>>17504669
i only buy makita because i hate dewalt stuff.
is that a poor fag company too?

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>>17504669
The same one as >>17504615 and pic related? Mine is the three-stage one rated at 120nm, 240nm and 375nm per stage. Has worked perfectly so far for nearly a year, where I even used it for five days a week over three weeks, and about 4 hours per day

Sure, its nothing like the 1000nm Makita I've tried out - but I never really have the need for all that torque, and as such a machine at half the weight, half the price and with a "universal" battery series is a much better choice for myself

I'd invest in something like the Makita, Würth or maybe even get myself a Snap-On, if I worked with this tool every single day and would run into a lot more seized bolts and so on

>>17504702
No, just that it's overpriced.

I have a few Hazet special service tools which are good for both Mercedes-Benz I have, but they were very expensive.

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>>17504772
i understand. i dont know why German engineers have a fetish of making things hard to service.
pic very very related.

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>>17504799
this vw tool looks like it should work on a space shuttle or something. it does not look like a car tool at all.

>>17504799
>hard to service.
It's only hard if you don't have the correct tool.

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>>17504812
yes, lets assume the tools are easy to obtain or improvise.

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>>17504799
>>17504809
>>17504818
Those pesky germans indeed

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>>17504829

>>17504107
I have a HF impact socket set, 1/2 in drive and it has an 18mm socket

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>>17504837
Thats... actually really fucking neat

>>17504829
Why would you put motor mounts for a 15l mercedes engine on the bell housing of a tranny? Why? In what conceivable fucking way is that a good idea? Just put a fucking carriage spring on the ass end if the thing if ya think it needs more support.

Fuck I hate german engineering.

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>>17504859
guess what this is for.

>>17504885
Very dull hacksaw for killing somebody

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>>17504669
Tti fag here
>>17504043

A few things Rigid, Ryobi and crapsman power tools are similarly designed with Rigid and crapsman generally using better motors,

The 1/2 18v Ryobi you bought was probably only rated for 75 Ft/lbs so no wonder you thought it was shit, its a base tier impact wrench.

Milwaukee with few exceptions is its own division within TTI, they source their own shit, design their own shit, and have their own factories and have their own warehouse/distribution system, they get more money to produce better tools as a result. My division doesn't even touch their shit at all.

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>>17504885
Hmmm.... my best (read; shittiest) guess would be a calibration/positioning tool for the alignment, with the different inverted teeth being for different models/different specs where the wheels are more narrow or wider

>>17504885
I cheated but I don't understand how it would be used for that.

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>>17504908
Any experience/thoughts on this? I already have two electric angle grinders (one small Hitachi which works fine for small shit), and a fuckhuge AEG (I think its an AEG, all the marks are long worn out) for when I have to break into an armored vehicle... but I kinda want this one as it'll be a lot easier to bring with me when I have to do work in the mountains, or when I just wanna do a quick job and don't feel like pulling out the extension cords and so on

>>17504602
The vast majority of makita cordless is cheap chinesium. What's worse is there is a microchip in their batteries designed to disable the battery after a loss of voltage. That means if you work your tools hard the battery will turn into a $75 plastic brick.

>>17504018
t. chingchong dingdong factory worker

>>17504908
Holy shit do you get any employee discounts? What kind of projects do you get to work on?

>>17505564
I just work in the warehouse, if you've bought a Black Max Generator from Sams, or Tile Saw from Home Depot I'm probably the one that loaded it, I get a 20% discount at the outlet stores, which the shit there is already cheap as is.

>>17504957
I'd personally get a corded rigid over that. But for your use it should be fine, be sure to use the larger battery becuase the slim packs are only good for the smaller drills and lights, and don't last that long.

>>17504957
I've used the milwaukee one a lot and it's great, it kills the batteries fast though.
It's really nice to bring to the junk yard because you can just cut off bolts that wont break free or just straight up cut out parts you want without even having to use other tools.
They make me bring a fire extinguisher with it though.

>>17505892
no one cares my dude

>>17505911
Stay BTFO

>>17505869
The point is to have a cordless one especially for those jobs I do thats far out into bumfuck nowhere. The corded Hitachi can be the garage queen
Already have a 5.0ah, 4.0ah and a 2.0ah, might invest in a 5.0ah to keep in my truck

>>17505892
How long does the battery usually last, and what size battery?

>>17505941
>How long does the battery usually last, and what size battery?
3ah battery, the normal sized m18 one not the thin one, lasts like 5 min lol, it really sucks up the juice.
5 min of cutting can get a lot done though.

>>17505941
I got your point I'm just saying from my POV, and me only needing something Corded.

It should work fine, however like >>17505892 says the milwaukee might be the better choice.

>>17505959
That fast, huh? I'll bring an extra battery I suppose

>>17505970
Would it really be that much of a better choice tho, seeing as I already have batteries available, and Milwaukee isn't sold locally here?

The better Makita battery gear is often made in Japan, my 18v impact wrench is.

>>17505986
I forget you're over there living with the Jötunn, get whatever convenient for you, its just that the Milwaukee will be more hardy and reliable over time.

>>17504908
>Ryobi you bought was probably only rated for 75 Ft/lbs

WTF? Why the fuck would you even bother making a 1/2" impact gun that can only do 75 ft/lbs?

>>17506033
To get your foot in the market, when they first introduced the P260 were barely ANY cordless mechanic grade impact wrenches. Most of was what available was 20-30 Ftlb shit that was only good for running tech screws into metal studs.

Since then obviously they've improved, with Milwaukee putting out 750+ ftlb models. And the P262 that's now available can do 300 ftlbs

>>17504128
t. Pajeet

Any of you folks ever have a chance to try any of the KTC (Kyoto Tool Co.) tools? Perhaps Ko-Ken?

I'm ordering a set of Ko-ken shallow sockets and a 3/8 ratchet to see if I'm a weeb for tools too. All I've used thus far is craftsman, kobalt, and the handful of snap-on tools we find under people's hoods at work.

>>17504957
This current model of Ryobi battery grinder kicks the shit out of the previous model they had. I recently broke my older one and replaced it with the pic related and it is obviously more torquey and sturdy feeling. Would recommend as a quality value tool. My friends Milwaukee battery grinder shits all over this though, but is x2 the price.

>>17503974
This dude I work with has a Hazet impact wrench. Fucker works good

>>17504615
Ryobi is fine unless you're a contractor or building an entire house by yourself.

> just about any brand will do
There's a point when cheap becomes too cheap. You don't want an angle grinder with an unbalanced spindle or an impact drill that overheats and seizes up after a minute of continuous operation. Also, some brands like Bosch consumer line (the green ones) are subpar when it comes to price/performance.

>>17503974
antiques

>>17504264
>Quality screwdrivers won't strip screws
Yes they will if you let their blades get either rounded or worn from abuse or use.

>>17504278
It's because they were cast and then rolled. They weren't forged and given a two stage multi temp heat treatment. Chinese screws made of crystalline metal castings suck. They have enough strength to get screwed in, but over time, they develop metal fatigue and when you try to remove them or use them again in the same hole, that becomes the last straw and they break.

>>17509122
Quality screwdrivers last for ages before the blades become worn.

>>17504174
I actually bought the set, they do come in handy but the smaller ones aren't that great for really hammering on, i.e. they're shit enough you can bend them if you give some real force.
Still fine though, would buy again since my only uses are for stuff like my CAS locking bold under the cowl and other low-torque, hard to reach applications.

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>>17503974
Even stuff that is stamped "Made in Japan" could have actually had all the pieces made in China out of chinese metals. It was only assembled in Japan or re-stamped or deliberately mis-labeled. For example, rims that Discount Tire sold as being "Japanese rims" as they were imported from a Japanese address were actually stamped "made in china".

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>>17504575
>Alltrade not listed
I know they have a HQ in the USA, I'm surprised they arent listed there. Are Powerbuilt tools not very big?

>>17506857
Koken make the best ratchets hands down.

>>17504211
Why are you talking about torque wrenches when the thread is about impact guns?

>>17504275
Tengtools aren't exactly the last word in high end screwdrivers, are they?

They are considered shit-teir professional level tools. Trust me, I had a complete set of them when I started out my apprenticeship, now the only 2 tools I still have from that set are the hacksaw and rubber faced hammer. Everything else I have replaced with higher quality

>>17503974
matco is 100% made in china

at least their electric tools

>>17510980
The chinese will keep ramping up until all the regular and professional tool makers are from china. Boutique type tool makers would still be domestic but are usually for certain customers such as the military or government under "make work" contracts to keep the expertise alive in case it needs to be ramped up with a conflict against china.

>>17510980
>matco is 100% made in china
Basically Matco and all the other tool companies train the chinese on how to make good tools. Then the chinese create copycats using that knowledge and training to compete against their benefactors and put them out of business.

>>17504018
>t. ching chong zing zang zong lee

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>>17504018

Pretty much this.

People are under the impression that China can only ever produce shit products. That stems from the fact that we've typically employed them to make cheap, shitty products for us. Because we don't want to pay more.

But if you pay more, it means the facilities are operating at stricter standards. It means the companies can staff them properly, and fly their own people over for QC/management regularly to keep the plants operating properly. It means the workers aren't underpaid slaves and they actually have incentive to give a shit. Plus they aren't working 20 hours a day so they CAN give a shit, physically.

One of the strongest knives I own is made in China, by Rock Creek Knives. They started out using left over steel from swords sold for martial arts training. The blade will punch through a fucking car door. Even my strongest Buck knife (made in USA, wooooo!) won't do that without destroying the edge.

Look at warranties, reviews, and the overall construction of the tool. There's good and bad China stuff, and it's usually reflected in the pricepoint.

>>17504669
>>17504908

I've had two cordless Ridgid drills and a radio shit the bed on me. Chuck kept seizing up on one, and the trigger just stopped working on the other. Had it replaced twice under warranty, before taking it back to Home Depot and exchanging it for Milwaukee.

Ryobi seems pretty sturdy for the pricepoint, but here in Canada, their lithium ion stuff isn't all that cheap. I can pick up a DeWalt or Milwaukee on sale for the same price as a Ryobi ONE drill.

>>17505959
Shouldn't you be molesting animals?

>>17515599
No?

>>17515002
>It means the companies can staff them properly, and fly their own people over for QC/management regularly to keep the plants operating properly.
It's why China will be able to beat up the USA in any war on asian turf. They are pretty good and starting to build their own aircraft carriers and stealthy submarines. The world's largest attack submarine factory is built there in China and they had the next largest one after that too. They've learned enough technology from USA and European companies to build some pretty good military hardware and also train their headquarters staff.

>>17515002
t. Chang *eating dog* Lee.

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>>17504615
>tfw you find a random Hilti angle grinder while cleaning your garage

>>17504211
>Get a tool where you get a good warranty. You can shake your fist at sears and probably get brand-new sets
Sears sold Craftsman. It's just China shit nowadays.

>>17516028
Craftsman brand was purchased January 2017 by Stanley Black&Decker. The Sears company was bought by a hedge fund company over a decade ago. The hedge fund has no idea of how to run a positive consumer company like sears. Hedge fund companies are negative-thinking companies after all. So the hedge fund started taking sears and its vast holdings apart as the real estate it owned were large and valuable. For example, one of the prime real estate locations was sold to become starbucks headquarters.

Sears will probably finish going bankrupt in 2 more years. The hedge fund has made more money killing sears and selling its parts off. It's like a variation of what Mesa Partners did under T. Boone Pickens when it bought corporations with strategic or tactical assets other companies or investors wanted and then took those companies apart to sell those parts off to the highest bidder.

As a result, companies developed the poison pill strategy forcing any buyer to take many years to break them down and sell them off. Thus, other corps stopped doing that. But a fund can have a long term view and do just that.

It's a shame. Under that hedge fund, so many things were done badly. It made no sense to merge the K-Mart unless you look at the huge real estate holdings K-Mart had. In my metro area, those K-marts were closed and their real estate holdings were turned into shopping malls, plaza malls, or new superstores.

The hedge fund is thus losing money on one set of books. But the CEO and cronies have different companies and a different set of books from which they are making a lot of money taking sears apart and selling the pieces slowly without triggering the poison pill. It sucks, but that's strangler figs like prosperity too.

>>17516028
>It's just China shit nowadays.
The chinese are taking over the japanese anime production market with their low prices. THREE of the japanese anime studios now are actually chinese ones. And they have products on TV now too. The other japanese studios often subcontract work out to other chinese studios too. So it won't be long before the chinese are all trained up in the japanese anime method. The jap anime production companies are poised for takeover after training their replacements.

>>17515959
Have you compared Navies of the world, by any chance?

>>17504615
Ryobi's platform is nice because they don't change it

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>>17516233

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>>17516238
No need to. The future is coming. That is what matters. The confrontation is not now. It will be in the future.

Rodcraft air tools are made in germany and nice as fuck

you have to pay to play though

>>17516381
By retrofitting cold War aircraft carriers and watching amime?

>>17516388
O B E S S E D

>>17504275
Teng are barely a minor step up from shit tier. I've bent no end of Teng tools.

>>17516231
Where the fuck did I ever mention anime in my post, you dumbass?
>>>/a/ back to your containment board, weeb.

>>17505544
Oh lawd, complete horseshit

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>>17516388
>chink thinks i am american.
>chinks cant even see correctly
prove that chink's IQ is a meme was easy.

>>17516460
From the front page.
>4chan is a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images
Nowhere does it say anything about anine

>>17516440
It's about how the chinese take over each market. Their entry into anime production is similar to their entry into world car sales. China sells a great many cars to the rest of the world, so it's only a matter of time before they enter the USA market and eat up market share from GM, Ford, and Chrysler. Those 3 usa companies will dwindle even more.

The chinese have taken over most of the electronics manufacturing.
The chinese have taken over much of the tool market.
The chinese are building up their automobile industry after having dominated auto parts manufacturing.
Even Tesla is building a gigafactory in china to produce both parts, batteries, and electric cars at lower cost than in the USA.

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>>17516591
>are you some sort of american wannabe??
more like he just dislikes how the chinese go about things from industrial espionage to blatant disregard for patents and copyrights

>>17516591
>implying only americans hate chinks.

being this retard ching chong *eats a dog* ling ling

>>17504391
Just because Japland makes good cars doesn't mean everything they make is god-tier you fucking dumb weed.

http://www.cumi-murugappa.com/abrasives/products_category/power-tools/

http://www.tapariatools.com

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>>17516492
>Nowhere does it say anything about anine
What?

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>>17516715
>Just because Japland makes good cars
And China makes the cars from all over the world affordable. Also, a lot of Japanese cars are assembled from Chinese-made parts using chinese-made robots.

>>17517047
>a lot of Japanese cars are assembled from Chinese-made parts using chinese-made robots.
That's true for just about every car. Even ultra high end cars will use Chinese made parts

>>17517047
China will never make a good car.
Even Indians with a smaller economy makes better cars.

>>17516238
If they can launch a suicide attack with corvettes carrying enough missiles to not being able to float and messengers on bikes going at the speed of light they can win.

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>>17517546
They both make cheap deathtraps for their billions of people and use that money to buy actual manufacturers

The only good Indian manufacturer is Mahindra
They make some stupidly tough tractors and utility vehicles as well as the original Jeep, and not some Beverly Hills girl Barbie-mobile that FCA does

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>>17516682
>defending copyright
top kek

>>17516702
only a wannabe american would fall for that bait in behalf of americans

>>17504885
It makes you steer into the closest ditch.

>>17517686
TATA does too, when they want to.

A major difference between India and China is, foreign companies don't do R&D in China. They just tell Chinese partners to build. Whereas a lot of "foreign" models in India are actually designed in India.

One of the reasons India exports more car stuff than China, even though they produce less.

Why do Chinese car (or any) companies have the worst names possible?
They can never be taken seriously.