Can you actually feel when VTEC kicks in or is it just a mem

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>hotrodding in a residential area
Fucking niggers

Anyhoo I dunno about "feel" it but you can hear it.

>>17499810

You can tell when it kicks in because at a certain RPM it will rev substantially quicker than you would expect it to.

Does this "feel" like anything? Not really, it's usually a smooth transition. It's not like a laggy turbo finally spooling up, which feels like a very noticeable kick. It also isn't noticeable in the same way that a big old torquey V8 truck motor "drops off" at high RPM.

Basically it's just a meme, but it's a cool meme that has lots of neat engineering behind it. Just don't expect magic or miracles.

not really

at least not if the car is working right

I was in a fucked up Prelude and it was noticeable

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>>17499855
>that goat feel when your turbo hits boost

The sound of the engine changes a bit and the engine seems happier to rev up

check https://youtu.be/OJpJ6Zi4EQE?t=30
the VTEC kicks in at around 4500RPM if I am not mistaking

It's all noise

>>17499810
Old vtec? Yeah because the cam profile switchover was sudden.

Today's vtec is pretty comparable to most variable valve technologies - transient.

>>17500188
The old multi stage vtech is pretty similar to VVT as well, it was very smooth

>>17499855
newer i-vtec engines are often smooth transitions.

B series isn't.

I can tell you have never been in a fast vtec honda before.

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>>17500224

>fast
>honda

>>17500244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn0pnRhGlSo&t=110s

>>17500259
Which model is that?
Besides I don't think there's much of a Honda left in it

>>17499855
>Not really it's usually a smooth transition
Maybe in a new Honda. Old Honda engines have a distinct VTEC crossover. The sound changes, and you feel the power difference from the more aggressive cam profile. That's also why lowering the engagement point is one important step of tuning s Honda from that era; being able to feel the transition so much means you're missing out on power when you're still using the normal cam at lower rpms

>>17500379
>Prelude guy
>Talking about fast, tuned Hondas
The irony

>>17500259

>get a Honda
>yeah dude to make good power you just need new heads, studs, turbo, tune, injectors, coils, plugs, new bottom end, crankshaft, a tune, 105 octane racing fuel, a new turbo, full exhaust work, transmission, and tires
>Set that fuckin' turbo to 25-40 psi of boost
>You'll be making 600 horsepower at the crank

Meanwhile in LS land.

>buy literally anything with an LM7 or LQ9.
>Add turbo and maybe injectors if you're feeling generous.
>10-12 pounds of boost
>Suddenly 600-700 wheel horsepower.

Its like they don't like to go fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZxaCNEr18A

>>17500391
>being this new
He has an S2000, unless he's upgraded recently.

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>>17500440

>S2k
>Fast

They are quick.

Not fast.

There is a difference.

>>17500436
>heads

there's only one head on honda 4 cylinders. Also, b series and k series motors you can slap a turbo kit on them for pretty cheap on stock internals and make 500 whp. just need to upgrade the clutch really, turbo kit includes pretty much everything else.

S2Ks kick ferociously. Everything else not so much.

>>17500391
The H22 in the Prelude has plenty of potential, and is a great example of "older" VTEC engines. /o/ doesn't give the car enough credit sometimes.

>>17500440
>unless he's upgraded recently
I still have the Prelude and the S2000, but I also have an Alfa 4C now

>>17499810
In stock engines it's fairly smooth, some ricers like to move the VTEC engagement point around so it creates a noticeable jump though.

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>>17500459

>You make it sound simple by just calling it a turbo kit but its a shitload more than that.

>Turbo
>Blow-off valve
>Boost regulator
>Manifold
>Studs
>Head gasket
>New plugs
>Still needs a tune

And I guaran-god-damn-tee you that a stock transmission on a civic is not going to hold up to even 300 HP without coming out in chunks.

>>17500483
>doesn't give the car enough credit sometimes.
because it's slow, if you insist on making a fast honda its just better to totally gut out EG and build from scrap

>>17500497
>some ricers like to move the VTEC engagement point around so it creates a noticeable jump though
Everyone moves the engagement point lower, which would make it kick less

>>17500337
Civic.
Yeah everyone buys a civic to keep stock and your argument is completely valid.

>>17500436
I'm a honda fan and I kind of agree with you.

They typically have peak torque at really high RPM, so it's like
>put foot on gas
>speed and RPM slowly increase
>hit ~6k RPM
>speed and RPM suddenly increases rapidly

In my Fit, when I hit ~6k RPM, it feels like something hit me from behind and start flying.

The old mechanical VTEC systems climbed onto the cam very suddenly. It wasn't quite as noticeable as an old laggy turbo but it put a smile on your face. Nowadays, the E-VTEC systems are computer controlled and aren't as noticeable

>>17500436
>Add turbo and maybe injectors if you're feeling generous.
>>10-12 pounds of boost
That's going to be more than 600. You can hit 600 with cams and supporting flow mods or a mild supercharger

>>17500765

I'm talking about 10-12 on bone stock.

How does the variable valve timing of Vtec compare or differ to the variable camshaft timing found in the 4.6 3v or Coyote engines used by Ford?

>>17499810
It used to be more linear but now you can really feel it.

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>>17499810
you feel it in first and second gear

>>17500867
vtec also has variable lift which is the thing that actually "kicks in"

>>17500506
and you would be wrong friendo

If you drive any post 2000 variable valve timing car you understand how it feels. You get longer valve opening so the engine will feel "livelier" and will feel like it actually wants to rev higher.

>>17501232
>that straight line in the HP curve when vtec kicks in

>>17500640
Does change the fact that the only fast Hondas can barely be called Honda anymore
Show me a fast prelude or accord

>>17502350
Doesn't*

>>17502350
Preludes and accords are shit.
Why would I want to do that?

>>17503237
Still didn't show me a fast Honda that's not a totally rebuilt Civic

>>17500506
Nah man. If you wanna see a nice honda build check out boostedboiz. The H22 they got makes 600hp. Upgraded pistons and rods, studs, headgaskets, clutch,and I think thats it. Besides that stock. They had to rebuild tranny, but it's still stock. I think they added accord gears of the same ratio.

Still expensive, over 10k at least.

>>17503247
Why do I want to?

Okay I will bite and name some fast stock hondas

Nsx, ep3r, s2000, fn2r, fk2r

>Now's the part where you mention some kind of car that is faster or cheaper to keep your retarded argument going.

>>17500259
That editing is atrocious.

>>17503321
I like it.

>>17503305
They are fast, but not fast when compared to other cars in their price range.
And don't take that as an attack on Honda - I do like them, but they just aren't made to be fast - most of them are made to be reliable and safe

>>17503356
Oh boy you sure showed me.
I dislike honda now.

>>17503237
>>17502350
A 5th gen Prelude isn't "fast", but it handles better than a Miata of the same year, and has straight-line performance comparable to a BRZ/FRS.

>>17503692
Neither one of them, but could you tell me hows prelude in terms of handling in the snow and how good it is for tuning? Im torn between it and 2/3 other cars

>>17503713
It's outdated and not a strong performer like the civic and integra but still not a terrible car.

>>17499810

If you've driven anything with real power, the only noticeable difference is noise. Comparing VTEC to hitting the torque band in a V8 is like comparing apples to cucumbers.

The point of the archaic meme is that normies with no concept of speed think that VTEC is a big deal.

>>17503257
Isn't it 700 whp now?

>>17503713
Not driven a Prelude in the snow, but FWD cars I've had are generally ok. Get one with 4WS though otherwise you might as well have a Civic/Accord.

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>>17503731
This

there ar>>17503713
>snow
I used mine to commute 100 miles a day for a while, year-round through quite a few snowstorms. Never had a problem getting through anything, and J drove through a good few inches of snow multiple times. I did have snow tires though.

>tuning
It depends on what you want to do. If it's just bolt-on stuff, there are plenty of options. If you want to go a bit further than that, there's not as much aftermarket compared to other Hondas. Also, if you want to do more than bolt-ons, don't get a Type SH. But do get one over a base if you're not going crazy with mods

>>17503727
>>17503815
That's a shame, I guess I'll just go for a Civic then

>>17503356
Type R's are definitely made to be fast. Just not fast in a straight line, they are killer on small race tracks.

>>17503826
the new type r's are slow on smaller tracks but on medium ones they're impressive. Can fite with 911's.
Civics overall make for great track cars.

>>17499810
>Can you actually feel when VTEC kicks in or is it just a meme?
Its a pretty substantial jump in power at the end of the tachometer so I imagine you would feel your car suddenly accelerate

>>17503834
>paying 35-40k for the worst looking civic to date.

>first Honda to break 14's from the factory

>>17503815
Sorry, should've said it before, but I was mostly think about 3rd gen Prelude.
I've got 2 sweet offers in my country, with a really low mileage (one has 150k Km with 2.0 engine and 137 HP, second has 240k Km mileage, 2.0 109HP, but it's LPG only).
Supposedly the only problem with the 1st one is that sometimes control and charge check controls pop up (owner says that it's most likely because of ALB/ABS), it's also totally stock so it has rust in few places.
Whats your thoughts?

>>17506391
Thinking*

>>17503751
710 actually. And it's not much over 10k. Like 11k max he's spent on it, and he includes the 3500 he spent on the car in that.

>>17503731
You have no idea what you are talking about.

This is coming from a honda guy who's father has owned many fast v8s.

b16as are fast for a 1.6 NA.

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I haven't read all of the replies but I want everyone to be aware that there are probably more than 10 versions of Honda's VTEC.

The original kind from the 90's had a very noticeable kick to it. Then there's the kind like pic (base RSX, EP3 Si) related that kicks in at like 2200 and is basically an eco-oriented joke.

https://www.hondata.com/tech-rsx-vtec-vtc

>>17500379
You can feel and hear it in my toyobaru echooo

>>17509993
it my fg2 you can hear and feel it.

>>17509993
>>17510151
didnt mean to quote

>>17500244
>when james may blasts his good news cummies deep inside your sweet boipussy