So /o/ is the challenger the worst objectively, like whats redeemable

>>17336181
It can't turn

and that's ok

It's comfy and doesn't pretend being a sports car.

>>17336191
Im mostly confused on price, where does it all go? all the ones i have been in havent been bad but man when it is seen as a good straight line car but the 5.7 cost as much as a 5.0 mustang and the camaro is less than the 392 i just dont understand.

>>17336224
IT'S BIG AND COMFY, NOW FUCK OFF

>>17336181
>So /o/ is the challenger the worst objectively,
The worst what? Muscle car? Certainly not, it's the only one for sale right now.

>like whats redeemable about this fat box and it massive sticker price?
Big horsepower, comfy ride, and, again, only muscle car.

>>17336231
im honestly curious, like all the cars compaired to it are big and compfy.

g8
5.0
camaro
ss
gto

why this one?

>>17336266
m-muh Derge

>>17336235
>>17336266
id say that list is the most common cars it is compared to

the price is my biggest curiosity, i like budget builds a lot

>>17336266
>g8
Not for sale anymore
>5.0 muh-stang
Not a muscle car.
>camaro
Not a muscle car.
>ss
Not for sale anymore.
>gto
Not for sale anymore.

>>17336279
>i like budget builds a lot
Then stop looking at new cars. Get an old A-body Dodge, slap a 6.4 into it.

>>17336292
i mean i only buy old cars but im trying to understand others motivatins

like do people just buy them because muscle?
would you conside 11-14 gt muscle since 15-17 def isnt? how about 2010-15 camaro?

>>17336266
The Mustang and Camaro aren't actually as comfy as their sole size suggests. No comparison to the Challenbarger.

>>17336307
so the compf of chally is biggest upside?

>>17336305
No Mustang or Camaro has ever been a muscle car.

The Mustang is a ponycar (get it? Mustang? Horse? Pony?) and it popularised the ponycar as well. The Camaro was a direct reaction to the Mustang's success.

>>17336321
>Comfy
>More horsepower
>An actual muscle car
That's why it still sells.

To give you an idea why the Challenger is what it is, for 2015, Ford engineers completely revamped the Mustang, adding IRS, power, great suspension and the likes, to make it a great sportscar. For 2016, GM did the same thing to the Camaro, lightening the entire car with the new Alpha platform. Meanwhile at Dodge, in 2015, they threw a biggass blower at their Hemi, made 707hp and called it a day. Right up untill now that is, when they decided that industry-leading power wasn't enough, and they added another 101hp just to be sure.

>>17336348
hmm alright, so just nothing competes with it?

as far as
>more horsepower
goes that i dont get
higher horse power makes car go faster
but a lighter car with less hp can be just as fast

>>17336266
The Mustang and Camaro are not big and only comfy relative to stiff-sprung hot hatches. The Challenger has an adult sized back seat and is good for long highway cruises.

The prices (at least in Canada) are pretty awful though. The 5.7 HEMI isn't much more powerful than the Camaros V6, and 392 models start at 50k, while a Mustang GT is only 40k.

>>17336391
when i think of compfort i guess im only thinking of driver comfort because of my 2 cars 1 is a miata without door panels and the other i just pulled the back seat lol, maybe i need more friends first.

>>17336391

>392 starts at $50k
but that's wrong.

t. $38k R/T 392 Owner

>>17336403
did you buy it in canada?

It does wheelies.

>>17336407

>Canada

Canada is not a relevant country for anything other than maple syrup and chinese-owned housing market.

You want a muscle car, move to America or stop asking stupid questions.

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>>17336403
>reading comprehension

I said Canada

>>17336377
The Demon and Hellcat have so much horsepower their weight doesn't matter. Besides, what do you brag to your mates about: weight or horsepower? Thought so.

>>17336407
The Scat Pack with the 485hp 6.4 (392) actually starts at 38K MSRP in the States.

>>17336415
lel

>>17336418
>mobile posting
>a fucking leaf
Goddammit

Anyways, you don't get the Scat Pack, which is the 485hp, 40K USD steal of the decade. It even has skinnier tires than the SRT-8 model, so your burnouts are easier and cheaper.

>>17336420
i mean hellcat is 65k and lel deamon
weight always matters, why zo6 is faster than hellcat even though less power

i mean i would brag about quarter times to my mates, hp is one thing but driving is another.

>>17336429
camaro is faster and cheaper tho

>>17336441
Camaro isn't a muscle car though.

>>17336429
>392 Scat Pack Shaker literally in the screenshot

Holy fuck learn to read.

>>17336447
yeah but under that logic what is?
chevy nova?

>>17336451
its because its the "SHAKER" hood shit cost like 5k extra here

>>17336452
>yeah but under that logic what is?
>chevy nova?
With the right engine options, yes.

>>17336451
R/T also has a scat pack.

>>17336452
A full size car with a powerful engine

>>17336462
is a win because everyone drops out a win?

what are the sales figures on challengers anyway?

prob a lot higher after deamon release and fat-n-furios 8 but man isnt Chrysler having some issues?

>>17336475
mannnnnn BMW M6 is full size and has powerful engine but idk about muscle car.

>>17336475
Actually, it could also be a midsize, and often has been. Hell, some compacts were muscle cars, like those experi-mental Hemi Darts.

In short, a muscle car is:
>2 doors
>4 seats
>RWD
>big V8
>fun
>cheap
>designed for street/strip use
>doesn't give a shit about corners

>>17336485
An M6 isn't cheap though.

>>17336497
didnt say cheap at first i was just having a laugh, but man that list sure sounds like camaro and mustang

both are all those things while being cheaper and only thing that off is that corners matter.

>>17336497
He's right
Technically the Camaro is a pony car because it was created to compete against the mustang, same with the original Challenger
But since Chrysler doesn't know how to put the fucking fork down this Challenger is a muscle car

>>17336511
>doesn't give a shit about corners
That doesn't sound like Mustang and Camaro to me. Ponycars always gave a crap about corners.

>>17336514
>same with the original Challenger
The original Challenger was a full-size two door luxury car though. You're thinking about the original Barracuda, which was technically the first pony car, and then Ford launched the Mustang and dominated the market.

>But since Chrysler doesn't know how to put the fucking fork down this Challenger is a muscle car
To be fair, that's what happens when you start with an aging Mercedes platform. Imagine what Dodge could do if they got their hands on the Alpha platform instead.

>>17336524
No, I'm thinking of the Challenger and Hemi Cuda from '70-'71
You're thinking of the original Charger

>>17336524
>Imagine what Dodge could do if they got their hands on the Alpha platform instead.

make a camaro wanna-be?

>>17336530
The first Challenger was a trim package on the '59 Coronet.

Anyways, those E-body Challengers/Cuda's? Muscle car. Just go look at the kerb weight of a 318 example.

>>17336544
No, throw more horsepower at it.

>>17336547
and make your nose even heavier
like no doubt would be faster in quarter with 30 more hp but the nose weight could ruin all the balance.

>>17336547
>The first year Challenger was a trim package on the '59 Coronet

And in that same Wikipedia article not a fucking sentence later:
>From MY 1970 to 1974, the second generation Dodge Challengerpony carwas built using theChrysler E platform, sharing major components with thePlymouth Barracuda.

Which was the years I was referring to, specifically '70-'71

>>17336478
In 2016 64,614 Challengers were sold. The Challengers has decent sales and the dodge brand over all makes money, but it can't sustain all of FCA. Mustang sold 105,932 in 2016 for a comparison. Also, both of these figures are US only sales.

>>17336666
Just adding to this, the Camaro sold 72,705 in 2016. The Challenger is slowly closing in on being the second best selling sports coupe in the US. Chevy has seriously dropped the ball in recent years regarding the Camaro. The Camaro a few years ago had like a 20k sales advantage over the Challenger and at one point was neck and neck with the Mustang.

>>17336693

Because they look like over-stylized shit and try to appeal to benchracers.

Out of all those sales, how many were V6 vs V8.

>>17336718
>>Out of all those sales, how many were V6 vs V8.
Unfortunately only the auto makers know this. Every month all the car manufacturers release their sales for the stock holders, but no one knows the trim levels. I'm guessing that most of the pony/muscle cars sold are V6. For every one V8 Mustang, I'll see ten V6s.

What is best street able cam for 392?

LS3 cam i know i like because my friend has no problem streeting it.

https://www.texas-speed.com/p-79-texas-speed-stage-3-ls3-231236-640615-camshaft.aspx

>>17336773
Specs 231/236 .640"/.615" LSA 111

>>17336773
I'm assuming no one knows because no one that owns a hemi is man enough to cam swap?
or is there no such thing as streetable cam that has more lift than the 392 already has?

>>17336850

They're expensive and don't provide much more power than stock.

>>17336417
Canadians are the only ones who can afford muscle cars still... Dat oil boomer money yo.

>>17336875
for real? cause man you put a comp stage 2 on ls3 and youll pick up 50 whp easily. cost 800 for cam and all other parts then hardest par of install is getting motor out of the car

>people calling pony cars muscle cars
when will it end?

>>17336524
>You're thinking about the original Barracuda, which was technically the first pony car
It is the first and only fish car.

>>17336895
>cost 800 for cam and all other parts
That's out of this world.

>>17336881
You keep telling yourself that Chow-mein

>>17336929
from my groups ls1 build
cam 400
pushrods 100
springs 100
fluids/ misc parts 100
self install with friends cost a day and beer
then tuner you should have one at this point of ownership so remappin from my tuner is 100
all comes out to 800 not including beer

>>17336977
Meanwhile you can probably get whatever cam kit you want for a 350 for about $300.
You got got by the balls.

>>17336988
link me this magical cam package

>>17337001
Go to Nissan dealership and ask for gtr magic juice. Instant 300hp

>>17337001
https://www.summitracing.com/search/part-type/camshaft-kits/make/chevrolet/engine-size/5-7l-350/engine-family/chevy-small-block-gen-i

>>17337007
do you have a particular suggestion?

>>17337023
No because the Smallblock family can't interchange parts with the LS family.
The LS meme ends here.

>>17337035
cool ty i was like ready to link to the gen 3 lol

So let's say we have two cars

>both 2 doors
>both RWD
>both V8
>same price
>same horsepower
>same torque
>same 1/4 mile
>same 0-60
>same top speed
>car A can turn
>car B cannot

Is car A "not a real muscle car" while car B is true muscle? Because that's the impression I'm getting from this thread. Is a 375HP Challenger R/T more of a muscle car than a 435HP Mustang GT, even if the latter has more muscle AND can turn?

>>17336192
This.

My hellcat will dust most things south of 100k from a stoplight and is a joy to drive, and most people are scared to take their cars near the limit and I can probably beat them through the bends as well. It won't win any bench races, but it's fantastic in the real world.

>>17336266
save the defunct G8 and SS, none of those are/were big and comfy.

>>17337617
If it can't run on a track, then its a muscle car.

>>17337617
>>17337634
>>17337648
Muscle cars old and new are designed to understeer. Detroit considered this a much safer condition then oversteer.

Before someone gets all bitchy about the subject i'd like to remind you that it's not particularly hard to get any RWD to oversteer.

>>17336377
Point of the car is that you don't have to drive a cuckbox

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It's like riding in a huge comfy land barge that hauls fucking ass if you get the right engine. You just don't understand it OP. I drive a 6.4 Challenger and the size is one of my favorite things about it. I wish it were even bigger. I've always loved fuck huge cars tho

>>17337725
Challenger Hellcat owner here, this post sums it up.

>>17336418
>96 month
Good lord what the fuck

>>17337756
'Sup, hellcatbro?

>>17337767
My old roommate is in sales. These guys will stretch out a loan as long as it takes for people to be comfortable with the payments. It blew me away when he told how how a guy financed a 12k dirtbike for 10 fucking years

>>17337767
Christ I thought my 72 months was bad enough. At least I got 0% APR.

>>17337816
If you pay attention, the auto loan market right now is mirroring the housing crisis of 2008.

>>17337835
Yeah if it's 0% it doesn't really matter but that one above is 3.4% over 96 months

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>>17337816
>financed a 12k dirtbike for 10 fucking years

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>>17337816
>10 years

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>>17337756
Post yours pls. I just got mine and haven't had time to take glamour shots to shitpost with or anything. I got the 2017 scat pack w the Dynamics package. It's basically just pulling shit from the Hellcat. 6 piston brembos, Hellcat wide forged wheels, Pirrelli tires. I also got the appearance group which is overpriced but I have zero regrets because those small differences made it perfect. Manual trans, I didn't order any sound group but they put in Alpine speakers anyways.

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>>17337883
>that beltline
how am i always disgusted?

>>17337699
all a challenger is is a giant cuckbox, dodge cucks your wallet and you get a slow fat pos.

>>17337962
>slow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6fc_LZLWfI

>>17338031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qItrfYVw-E

>>17338145
>NHRA stock bracket car
>8.99 pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bfOtTwcVx8

>>17338184
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lnEjOuQGBc

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>>17337883
I've been so busy with work I haven't had a chance to get a good photo yet. My gf and I are going to the grand canyon at the end of the month. I'm hoping I can get some good shots there. You got android auto with your scat pack, right?

>>17338217
>not a bowtie motor

>>17338256
when did i make that rule?
i just said challenger is slow.

>>17338272
>slower than a vega strapped to a monopropellant rocket
ok then

>>17338230
Yes sir. Have fun at Grand canyon, it's amazing. Post pics of car and grill. I got Android auto, still not entirely sure what it does. I hope I have the time this week to really get to know my car and maybe take a picture. She is shy.

>>17338289
lol yeah
i mean when you get that blown 354 you build me one too ill be a Chrysler cuck with you but when R/T cost same as 5.0 and the ss cost less than the 392 I lel

>>17338304
I'm still kind of pissed off about android auto/car play. FCA said they would offer anyone with the 2016 uconnect8 a free upgrade to android auto, but now changed their mind. Android Auto is a way to connect your phones UI to the screen on your car. Car play is apples version. Take some pics when you can man, its fun to shitpost with your car. Half these fags shit all over Challengers when they drive shitboxes.

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>>17338346
>drives shitbox
>looks at challenger
>challenger over steers off grand canyon

hit me up when y'all kill yourselves thinking you can actually drive.

>>17338398
>hit me up
Sure bro, lets race. I'll even give you a 3 second start lol

>>17337634
>thinks people need to take shit to the limit to beat a boat in the twisties
Nigga a 90's Honda could smoke you on any bendy road or track.

Your overpriced midlife crisis mobile is for fat losers who can't actually work on cars. Since a old mustang with a few boltons can smoke your ass from the stoplight too...

But whatever you need to tell yourself I guess...

>>17338406
>race
You know he means an actual race right? With corners?

>>17338430
>racing a muscle car on a track
nigga you dumb.

>>17338460
>I only define 'race' as a no skill drag on a empty street because it's the only thing my overpriced shitbucket can win at
cute

>>17338467
>I only define 'race' as a no skill drag on a empty street because it's the only thing my overpriced shitbucket can win at
lol right back at ya. nigga you really dumb.

>>17338430
Why in the fuck would you race a challenger in anything besides a drag? Like what exactly are you expecting to happen on an actual track? A fucking miata could beat a hellcat in an actual track.

>>17338476
?????

>>17338486
>He's so btfo that I gave him a concussion
ALL THE DAY LONG BRO.

>>17338476
Yep, that's a butthurt challenger owner

>>17338485
Nigga he said race. He also said higher up that he can beat other cars in the corners.

Why are challenger faggots so defensive?? We know you're skillless losers who can't drive, no need to get all assblasted over it

>>17338495
>He also said higher up that he can beat other cars in the corners.
Wait, what?

>>17338398

How many vape pens do you own?

>>17338511
See
>>17337634
>I can probably beat them through the bends as well.

>>17337634

you're a fucking idiot if you think your american boat drives like a dream through the twisties. i see you redneck faggots all over my town with your shitty ass overpowered land barges and i can smoke you from a light and the twisties in any number of sub 100k cars (lol at your figure) not built for retards with a midlife crisis who actually give a shit about performance and handling, not just simply HP


>>17337660

so basically they detune the handling so normie bros and boomers dont kill themselves so often

>>17338519
>>17338495
Okay, we clearly got a mix up going on. I'm not >>17337634. I'm >>17338230. If your car is >>17338398 you would murder me on the track.

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>>17338523
you 're an embarrassment to subarubros everywhere.

>>17338524
oh come on man dont be nice, be an asshole it makes the war easier.

>>17338230

god these cars are so fucking terrible. the design was dated the second it came off the factory assembly line. from the front they actually look kind of gnarly, but the rear tail light is disgusting

>>17338537

>the design was dated

it's a retro design...

What exactly is a "modern" design?

>>17338398

This piece of shit looks like a bland bar of soap, the Camaro looks like shit, the Mustang looks like it has downs, every other car on the road looks like an angry retard.

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>>17338581
>every other car on the road looks like an angry retard
and the challenger is like the 350 lbs sad retard

>>17338524
Not my car, but I assumed you were the dude saying he'd win in corners. My bad anon,

>>17338581
i dont know whats modern, im not a designer, but i at least have the sense enough to know all these vehicles will look dated as fuck in a couple years. theres a certain style that american manufacturers tend to go for in cycles that just ages horribly. they should have innovated with new product lineups instead of these disgusting rehashes.

>>17338602
nah man you're solid

>>17338597

You would know from staring into the mirror so much.

>>17338607

Challenger doesn't look like anything else on the road. The design is contemporary.

Unlike the angry retard look of the Mustang/Camaro or the bland soap bar that is every Subaru in existence.

>>17338537
Ehh if it makes you feel better, the challenger is getting a face lift in 2020.

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>>17338614
>Challenger doesn't look like anything else on the road
>The design is contemporary
Man when a refrigerator box falls on the road it looks pretty simmilar

I don't buy cars built by FIAT.

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>>17338631

Are you retarded? Did you fail geometry and that's why you were held back a year?

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>>17338640
HAHAHAHAH

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>>17338644
guess this might be closer

The challenger has the "retro-modern-musclecar-disease" where the windows have to be 5 inches tall and this fat, slab-sided, acres of featureless, uninspired metal stretching for miles down the belt. It looks like complete shit. The modern Challenger looks fat. Compare it to a 1970 Challenger. It looks like complete shit next to an old one. It isn't even close how much better the '70 looks. You would have to pay me money to drive a challenger in public. It is an embarassment.

>>17338661
This.

The new Mustangs used JUST enough of the old design to make it feel like a mustang, but kept it modern and clean.

Challengers look like matchboxes with a tumor on its ass.

The challenger is a piece of shit.

It looks like shit, it weighs more than a bus, guzzles just as much gas as an abrams tank, and it's chassis is like........25 years old or something I forgot.

>>17338851
O rly?

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>mfw ride in challenger

>>17338851
>>17338832
>>17338661

>all this samefagging

>MY CAR IS FASTER THAN YOUR CAR
>ACKNOWLEDGE ME REEEEEEEEEEE
>STOP DISCUSSING WHAT I DONT LIKE
>WHY WONT PEOPLE LIKE MY CAR
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Jesus fucking Christ, man, give it a fucking break already, you cancerous faggot.

>>17336305

Okay, I can jump in on this.

I daily a '12 R/T. I bought it because I realized that Id never have a classic Charger like I always dreamed of. All I ever wanted growing up was a 69 R/T, but rollers go for about 6-8k depending on body condition.

So I looked at the new Challenger, in all its glorious mass and throaty exhaust and thought to myself, "That's the next best thing".

Then I test drove it and fell in love. It's immensely fun to drive. They're loud, relatively fast, and the very definition of comfy whether city driving or highway cruising.

I've also looked into modifying it and realized that the 5.7 is second only to the 392 in potential. I really wanted a car I could personalize and build to my desires (point of fact, I want to make a Challenger for road racing). There are limitless possibilities with it.

I've owned this car for five years and every year I feel more and more strongly about a statement I've been making since I got her.

I'm going to be buried in that car. No one else can have her.

>>17339685
I hate the way they sound it's like Detroit looked at all their old V8s, tried and failed to copy the sounds they made.

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>>17336181
Why buy a challenger when you can get a far more practical car that's just as fast?

Mercedes E63 AMG wagon
577 HP
Tons of storage space
Luxurious, comfortable interior

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>"muscle" car
>owner is a overweight and weak

>>17339742
Nobody wants to buy a car that makes them look like an autist.

>>17339762
>practical fast car = autism
>impractical boiracer car = not autism
Nice logic right there :^)

>>17339780
I'll spell it out for you mate, if you are not a woman and drive a wagon you look like a school shooter 100% of the time.