>for $5000 you can buy a motorcycle which will outperform

You don't.

Cagers will sperg.

>>17315329
>Muh texting soccermom

>>17315339
>cagers who think riding is a warzone

>>17315329
You will probably wreck it and/or kill yourself if it's your first bike. Outside of that, go nuts!

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>>17315347
>unironically using the noun 'cagers'

No lie, no exaggeating, just straight anecdotal shit that keeps me from riding:
Friend's dad got hit on his Harley, paralyzed
Co worker at old company, guy was missing half his feet from getting rekt by a car
Co worker at current company, has scars across his thigh and calf and ankle is all fucked up, despite wearing gear and $300 riding boots

>>17315355
concession accepted

>>17315364
Ride on the track

>>17315364
>Friend's dad got hit on his Harley
During the real-estate boom preceding the 2008 crash, it was a meme for Boomers to pull $15k in equity out of their house and buy a Harley.
> I know how to ride, I rode dirt bikes when I was younger
First time in history the death rate for riders 50+ exceeded the death rate for 16-25 year olds. Was a BIG topic for discussion at the Japanese MC manufacturer where I worked at the time

>$300 riding boots
Are a meme.

>>17315329
In a straight line... That's if you can launch it without looping it or spinning the tire which most squids can't do. A squid on a literbike would get devastated at the track by good rider on a 500.

>>17315349
>You will probably wreck it and/or kill yourself if it's your first bike

fuck this meme and the retards who perpetuate it. It's likely you'll drop it once or twice because that shit just happens. Nearly everyone's dropped their bike at some point, but as long as you're smart and take the time to actually learn how to ride you'll be fine.


Though to be fair it's smart to buy a less powerful bike to actually do that. Buying powerful bikes as a first bike leads to developing bad habits that you end up needing to fix later if you actually want to get better.

>>17315438
A decently skilled rider could out corner any car and being faster while doing it.

>That's if you can launch it without looping it or spinning the tire
Who cares if you can launch it or not a bike can out-accelerate most cars regardless.

>>17315404
Add to this the enormous performance increase over what they'd ridden previously. If the last bike you rode was a a 1992 600F2 and fifteen years later you open the throttle on a 600RR expecting a similar response, the machine will kill you.

>>17315444
>but as long as you're smart and take the time to actually learn how to ride you'll be fine.
the issue is that you can become intimidated by the bike and as a result you develop very poor riding habits and style to cope with your fear, even when you feel like you have developed enough confidence, those habits wont leave you.
on a smaller capacity bike, you can more easily explore your own limits and the bikes limits, with less stress, and lower capacity bikes usually have much more forgiving chassis and suspension, so you can get away with mistakes. You will learn much faster and you will learn properly.

There's a reason for that. Even if safety is ignored, bikes have no utility and are at the whim of the weather.

>>17315455
>>17315457
if i can get a 120 hp liter bike out of the square middle of a city without dropping it so can anyone else.

>>17315453
>decently skilled rider could out corner any car and being faster while doing it.

That's just untrue in the upper range of car/bike performance and rider/driver skill. The car has four huge fucking tires, four sets of suspension components, and four gignatic brakes.

A 150K car will beat a 15K bike in the twisties.

>>17315329
I can hit 60 in 3 seconds with my kids car seats in the back.

>>17315465
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKbaT57SdjQ
The road is called Mulholland Drive, take your pick of the hundreds of videos of riders either crashing or recking this hill.

>>17315465
>A 150K car will beat a 15K bike in the twisties.

lel no

>>17315464
that's fine if you just want to ride in straight lines.
but you are going to quickly get into trouble as soon as you start trying to go fast on twisties.
this is why there are literally hundreds of videos of americans riding their bikes right off the side of the road the first time they get onto real corners. this isn't down to 'poor judgement' or 'target fixation' like people like to say in the comments of the videos, it's down to these people not having a single idea about how you're actually meant to ride a bike around a corner.

>>17315455

I think this is a pretty good exaggeration.

I went from a 1999 F4 to my friends '08 1000rr for a ride and all the basics are the same, it's just heavier and has infinite power. I eventually sold that f4 and got an '06 zx6r and while the horsepower difference is minimal, it's so much better in so many ways, better brakes, suspension, fuel injection, slipper clutch ect. I didn't open the throttle and die instantly.

>>17315490
>that's fine if you just want to ride in straight lines.
I don't think you understand having that much power on tap in city blocks and it being your first street bike.
All you need is a level head.

>but you are going to quickly get into trouble as soon as you start trying to go fast on twisties.
Ironically it's the trepidation of taking a corner which causes riders to crash.
Literally not being a pussy will enable you to corner.

Maybe i was lucky and just had a natural skill with a motorcycle.

>>17315453
I can beat most sports bikes across the intersection on my mtb ffs. Even in my 120hp shitbox I can take most off the line as they struggle to slip the clutch. There's no way they'd stand a chance against a moderately fast sports car at the track. 99% of sport bike riders are squids and are just compensating not unlike brotruck drivers.

>>17315465
you'd think so, but cornering speed isn't so drastically different in most tests, and the bike can accelerate out of the corner much quicker than the car can, and achieve a higher speed before the next corner, which is enough to make up for the difference in cornering speed and breaking difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXVQoB2caI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IteniLcLImU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44

>>17315500
>There's no way they'd stand a chance against a moderately fast sports car at the track
There's no way a squid can stand a chance against a sports car on a track?

So tell me is the sky blue or something?

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>>17315329
thats exactly why I bought a sportbike lol

you won't get close to the performance of a $3000 craigslist shitbike unless you have a 100k car or put 50k in mods into something

>>17315545
You could have bought something that isn't garbage.

>>17315573
This.
No justice for Suzuki riders.

To be fair 95% of the cars on the road and suvs and economy cars

>>17315599
i said performance cars

>>17315602
Thanks I can't read

>>17315481
These guys are all pretty bad.
Their body position is shit. It's like they're sticking out their knees to look cool; but they're not even going fast enough to increase traction and decrease lean by doing so.
On my 500 I take corners faster than that.

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>>17315694
lol @ this post.

>>17315705

haha whoops this isn't /dbt/

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>>17315329
You can't really except for cars being comfy and being able to share the experience with passengers. Also cars have bigger mod scene. Not much point boring and stroking your Ducati when the engine is already great.

>>17315734
So basically what you're saying is that cars need to be improved and bikes don't. Bikes win again.

>>17315821
cuck cagers BTFO yet again

bikes will never be able to corner as well as cars

Cars preform better in inclement weather.

>>17315863
Most fundrives happen in good weather anyway.

>>17315853
motogp

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>>17315926
lel wrong one but relevant anyway

>>17315853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKn2CvJ7BEg

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>>17315334
Came here to say this.

>>17315329

A liter sport bike is something that I think everyone should experience before they die. There is just no sensation like it on the planet. People don't realize just how fucking cool sport bikes are. Remember when you were a child and you thought to yourself how cool it would be to have a jetpack or something similar? A sport bike is basically that. It's an extension of your body, and it accelerates you to 150mph in less than 10 seconds. Like I said, there is nothing like it on the planet. The first time everyone rides a liter bike they are pretty much in awe trying to understand how this is even legal. (felt that way about my 600 too desu but that is pussy shit in comparison).

Don't daily one, don't use it to commute, don't ride with the homies. Just take it out early weekend mornings and do some pulls on the highway when no one is around or hit the twisties every now and then if you're feeling adventurous. You'll be fine.

>>17315980
>Don't daily one, don't use it to commute, don't ride with the homies.
yeah fuck you

>>17315986
I only say that because dailying one will increase your chances of injury. I also see no reason to daily a motorcycle. They just aren't that comfortable and lack the amenities a car can offer. It's not fun to sit in traffic my dude.

>>17315980
Add going WOT on a 2-stroke to that list.

>>17315996
>I only say that because dailying one will increase your chances of injury
No it won't.

>It's not fun to sit in traffic my dude.
You're basically a pussy is what i can tell from your posts.

>>17316010
Wanting to ride in conditions where I can actually go fast and have fun makes me a pussy? Why the hell would you buy a liter sport bike to putz around town at 45mph all day? That is stupid.

>>17315853
I ride and I love it.
However, if any car remotely sporty catches up to me in the twisties, I'm pulling over and waving him to overtake.
I don't want the pressure of having to perform for someone else.
It's so easy for him to take a corner at speed barely any skill and he has a lot less at risk. I have to place upon the table: working and present limbs, my consciousness and my mortality.
He only has to place his insurance premium and a few bruises on the table.
He's going to beat me in the corners because it's easier, not because the bike can't do it.
I have a living to earn, I can't be out honing my skills all day in the twisties, it wouldn't be prudent.

As someone who has only ever ridden 150 cc dirtbikes, how hard would it be to transition to a sport bike? I'd love to have something to zip around on on nice days. Should I start with a 250 or am I going to feel like it's not enough bike?

>>17315329
>for $1000 you can buy a shitbox which will provide environment control on the road, even though they reach the same destinations on most roads.

>>17316018
>Wanting to ride in conditions where I can actually go fast and have fun makes me a pussy?
You got stuck on a 600 and are a jealous faggot.

>Why the hell would you buy a liter sport bike to putz around town at 45mph all day
Who says i only go 45?

North West 200 The best Motorcycle race in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgaJbf5C_c

>>17316026
Jump on a 4-500cc bike.
From a 125 it's going to feel fantastic, and you will have a long way to go before you've mastered it. Don't bother with 6-800cc until you can manage a 500 IMO.

>>17316006
>WOT on a 2-stroke

Nothing makes you shit your pants harder than the your first pull on a cr500

>>17316058
Local dealers only carry 250
600
1000
Unless they are harley style which I have no interest or understanding of.

What makes and models would be best in this range?

>>17315500
You're full of shit, shitbox enthusiast. Id smoke your ass on a 400 not to mention in heavy traffic you'd eat my ass all day everyday

>>17316073
I'm not actually sure about the models any more. I heard good things about the Kawasaki er6 (something like that).
Yamaha do some good naked bikes in that range we call them mt03/07/09/10/01 but in USA I think they're called FZ instead.
Why not used?
Don't worry about power either - worry about weight. Bikes start getting heavy after 125cc.
I remember the first time I threw a leg over a cb500 after riding a vt125 cruiser. The first thing you notice is so much weight!

>>17316073
dude just get a 600. if you have any experience at all with bikes, you'll be completely fine to start on something like a 2002 gsxr 600.

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>>17316107
For someone getting back into biking after a 10 year break with last motorcyle owned as the R1, how long before I get tired of a 600 hornet?

>>17315573
>>17315581
What? Isn't the gsxr like one of the best selling sport bikes?

>>17316227
Does that make the Wii the best console because it was the top selling console?

>>17316230
Best overall, idk
I just don't really know what's wrong with gsxrs

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According to the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), in 2006, 13.10 cars out of 100,000 ended up in fatal crashes. The rate for motorcycles is 72.34 per 100,000 registered motorcycles.[1] Motorcycles also have a higher fatality rate per unit of distance travelled when compared with automobiles. Per vehicle mile traveled, motorcyclists' risk of a fatal crash is 35 times greater than a passenger car.[1] In 2004, figures from the UK Department for Transport indicated that motorcycles have 16 times the rate of serious injuries compared to cars.[2]

-Motorcycle rider deaths were nearly 30 times more than drivers of other vehicles
-Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age.
-Motorcycle riders aged 40 years and over are around 20 times more likely to be killed than other drivers of that same age.

>>17316278
First of all motorcycles usually aren't daily drivers so you put far fewer miles on them as you do on cars. Secondly your chance of fatal injury can be reduced to a fraction by wearing appropriate attire and riding sober and with appropriate caution.

>>17316141
you won't get tired if you actually try to improve and dont just go WOT in a straight line.

100BHP are more than enough for twisties.

>>17316293
>First of all motorcycles usually aren't daily drivers so you put far fewer miles on them as you do on cars.
If only the statistics took that into account

oh wait they do

>Secondly your chance of fatal injury can be reduced to a fraction by wearing appropriate attire and riding sober and with appropriate caution.

a common myth please cite statistics to prove this

oh wait you cant

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>cagers actully sperging

lel

>>17316304
>a common myth please cite statistics to prove this
>oh wait you cant
He doesn't have to, you already read it in the NHTSA report.

>>17316348
-Motorcycle rider deaths were nearly 30 times more than drivers of other vehicles
-Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age.
-Motorcycle riders aged 40 years and over are around 20 times more likely to be killed than other drivers of that same age.


generally speaking wearing a jacket prevents road rash, it does not make a non survivable crash survivable

>>17316094
You aren't smoking shit with a 400. Have fun bouncing off the rev limiter doing 60mph down the highway while I pass you in my shitbox.

>>17315468
no YOU can't
some rich cunt probably can, but your shit box probably does it in 10 seconds.

>>17316353
We aren't talking about jackets, we're talking about full face helmets
Based on a comparison of fatal crashes involving motorcycles with two riders, at least one of whom was killed, the National Center for Statistics and Analysis (NCSA) of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has estimated helmets to be about 37 percent effective in preventing fatalities.

>>17316358
>never ridden bikes before, the post
my kawasaki kr1s (250cc two stroke) has a top speed of 236kmh IIRC (bonneville salt flats record)

a 400cc motorbike will get to 100kmh alot quicker than your shitbox. its a power/weight ratio,cars cannot compete against bikes in this ratio.

>>17316394
Salt flat records mean jack shit. Most the cars and bikes are geared so high they have to be pushed by another vehicle to start. A 250 won't do 236 unless you drop it out of a plane.

Yeah it hits 100 fast then you get dropped by a minivan after that. There's only so much you can do with power and gearing.

>>17316413
>Salt flat records mean jack shit. Most the cars and bikes are geared so high they have to be pushed by another vehicle to start.
This, you have 7 miles to achieve your "record" for one.

>>17316413
>in the stock class only modifications allowed are exhausts

>>17316413
>knows nothing about bikes, never ridden a bike, the post

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>>17316386
>he will never recover

>>17316413
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2007/august/aug1407britbreaks250productionrecord/

was a bit off, 215kmh

also the early 90's honda cbr250rr had a top speed of over 200 IIRC.

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>>17316444
and thats a 4-stroke.
>22,000 red line certainly helped. kek

>when cagers try and compete cost wise against bikes in any performance related matter

TOP FUCKING KEK

>>17316444

So still slower than a mid 2000's fwd shitbox? Cool. That's totally worth being turned into road pizza for that "performance". If you're going to ride a bike at least ride something with balls. Not a dirt bike engine in a sport bike chassis.

>>17316462
dirt bike engine? kek
you're retarded.

>a 250cc motorbike from 1991 is slower than a 2005 fwd car
you don't say? so amazing. wow. insightful x100

you've got 5k. go, show me a car that beats a bike around a track for 5k and i'll spend 5k on a bike. report back. i assume you're a dumb americunt. so i'll even go to some shit hole city and craigslist it.

>>17316481
>you don't say? so amazing. wow. insightful x100
Comparatively my 1985 motorcycle engine is still faster than most road-going cars.

>>17316481
what fwd shitbox from 2005 is faster than a cbr250rr???

>>17315460
Unless there's a tornado weather can be worked around

Hell even if there is a tornado just put tiny little airplane wings on your bike and bring a parachute. Youll be fine

>>17316481
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/mcy/6154138909.html

there, 5k.

i'll wait for your car for 5k to beat it around the track.

0-60 in 3.2 seconds
top speed of 180mph.

i'll wait.

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>>17315980
>The first time everyone rides a liter bike they are pretty much in awe trying to understand how this is even legal
When I bought my hayabusa and went WOT I lost my fucking mind. I screamed outloud how the fuck something like this is allowed to exist.

I'm convinced supersports 1000cc and above are the fastest thing on the road 99.9% of the time.

>>17316498
i'm lost, are you siding with me or arguing against me?

>>17316018
Nobike cagecuck pussy too scared of slight wind messing up his 2 foot long hair to daily a bike

>>17316278
>-Motorcycle rider deaths were nearly 30 times more than drivers of other vehicles
>-Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age.
>-Motorcycle riders aged 40 years and over are around 20 times more likely to be killed than other drivers of that same age.

holy shit

fuck motorcycles

>>17316518
Your posts are irrelevant.
Motorcycles don't hold their value as well as cars so there's no point in continuing to try and compare the prices of either.
>>17316525
I'm on the side of logic.

>>17316481
>>17316504

A cbr250rr has a top speed of less than 200km/h which is slower than pretty much every shitbox with more than 120hp. Put some good tires and brakes on said shitbox and you'd get your squid asses destroyed.

I bet your weak manlet asses can't even pick that babby bike up let alone knee drag it.

>>17316529
And it's worth it. People who don't ride probably find it hard to understand why people ride with all those risks and call us idiots.
We understand the risks, riding is just THAT good.

>>17316028
>for 1000 you can buy a cuck cage

Ftyfy

Youre welcome cuck

Back to your cage

>>17316530
>Motorcycles don't hold their value as well as cars so there's no point in continuing to try and compare the prices of either.

Actually a CBR will hold it's value better than most cars on a percentage basis

>>17315734
>Also cars have bigger mod scene.
true but the ironically a much higher percentage of bikers actually do their own mechanical work. so the the variety of after market modifications you can do might be limited but actually doing these things yourselfs, and routine servicing, is much more accessible.

>>17316529
>>17316278
Cage cucks literally crying itt thread

>>17316530
how does that make it irrelevant? that just puts it more in favour of the bikes.

they become even cheaper in the long run, so therefore, even better for $/performance.

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>>17316539
>And it's worth it. People who don't ride probably find it hard to understand why people ride with all those risks and call us idiots.
>We understand the risks, riding is just THAT good.

actually that would be a fair reason, however most cyclists are in denial about the actual danger and think because they wear gear and don't drive drunk the danger is mitigated

>>17316545
>Actually a CBR will hold it's value better than most cars on a percentage basis
That's fine and all but explicitly 250s hold value because muh starter bikes.
To most people a motorcycle is just a toy, a car is a tool. You can't compare the two based on pricing logic.
let's not dance around, a 250 doesn't have the torque to push itself to a higher top speed then a car.

>that just puts it more in favour of the bikes.
In what regard?
Also motorcycle pricing is cylical (lol, get it?) prices are always higher in the summer then the winter.

>>17316559
is that silent bob

>>17316566
you're comparing a specific bike, to all cars.
how about comparing a starter bike with a starter car.

say, a geo metro?

>>17316566
I didn't say anything about a 250

a CBR1000 holds it's value quite well, better than most cars.

>>17316566
>Also motorcycle pricing is cylical (lol, get it?) prices are always higher in the summer then the winter.

common misconception, not by much at all

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>>17316571
joe brad petrey

>>17316577
>you're comparing a specific bike, to all cars.
No i'm not, i'm comparing a specific class of bike to all cars.

>how about comparing a starter bike with a starter car.

There is no such thing as a starter car.

>say, a geo metro?
Trying to twist the argument in your favor won't work. To most people their "starter" car is the car that they think is attractive on the dealer lot.
>>17316580
>I didn't say anything about a 250
Well i did because the discussion was about
>>17316533

>common misconception, not by much at all

Wrong. In winter dealers need to remove their inventory and private sellers are done riding for the season. It is very much a conception.

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>>17316533
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vlOmf7jGOE
No FWD shitbox from 2005 can handle a road like the bike tho. Sperg more cagercuck.

>>17316591
>Wrong. In winter dealers need to remove their inventory and private sellers are done riding for the season. It is very much a conception.

Be actually in the market for a motorcycle and see if this is true (hint, it's not)

Everyone tries to get deals in the winter when they first start in on the hobby and give up when they realize they are not there

What are you basing your idea that sportbikes don't hold their value on?

they do, you are wrong

>>17316591
well then we'll just do as we've been doing

>compare all bikes to all cars
cars lose out, again.

you're not going to win. performance and cost wise, bikes SHIT on cars.

get over it.

>>17316599
>Be actually in the market for a motorcycle and see if this is true (hint, it's not)
I have been and have seen the results with my own eyes.

>Everyone tries to get deals in the winter when they first start in on the hobby and give up when they realize they are not there

Because starter bikes hold their value like they were hanging off the edge of a cliff.

>What are you basing your idea that sportbikes don't hold their value on?
That i bought one of the fastest production motorcycles for less than two grand and that pricing for comparable motorcycles when i was shopping also reflected the low prices on big bore bikes with the exception of Harleys.

>they do, you are wrong

Nope, sorry. I seem to be the only one in this thread who cares about logic without picking a side.

>you're not going to win. performance and cost wise, bikes SHIT on cars.

I never said otherwise friendo, all i was saying is that a 250 isn't going to outrun your average commuter car if top speed is a factor (the highway). You need to just chill bro.

>>17316599
The "cheaper in fall/winter" conception is true just because people think it is, at least in the used market. Your average guy will lose confidence because of it and list his bike lower or accept a lower offer than he would have in spring. I've been buying and selling bikes for nearly 20 years and it has always been true.

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>>17316533
>top speed

get a load of this cuck

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>"ARGH NO MY COROLLA SHITBOX ISN'T SLOW!!!!"

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I live in a city with bad congestion so i use a motorcycle for commuting. Lane splitting/filtering is legal here. In my car, during rush hour, the journey takes the best part of an hour, sometimes longer. On my bike, it's 15 minutes max, even if the traffic light gods don't bless me that day.
In this capacity, a bike is extremely practical.
Obviously it's shit as a grocery getter and i can't exactly put a baby seat on the back but that's what my cars for.

If i was a single guy with no kids i'd probably just have the bike. Infact i'd probably have several bikes.
Don't have kids.
Hold me, /o/.

>>17316610
>>Be actually in the market for a motorcycle and see if this is true (hint, it's not)
>I have been and have seen the results with my own eyes.
Then you would know it's not true and a meme

bikes hold their value very well, especially desirable bikes like hondas and Harleys
>>17316610
>>What are you basing your idea that sportbikes don't hold their value on?
>That i bought one of the fastest production motorcycles for less than two grand and that pricing for comparable motorcycles when i was shopping also reflected the low prices on big bore bikes with the exception of Harleys.

What make model and year bike did you buy for $2000 and how many miles did it have on it?

I think you are full of shit

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>taking the bikepill

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>>17316627
>Then you would know it's not true and a meme
Except you're really just praying i'll believe you so you can win a bullshit argument on the internet.
2016 models don't sell well in 2017. Argue up a wall about it but you'll be wrong all day.

>bikes hold their value very well, especially desirable bikes like hondas and Harleys
So you're erroneously cherrypicking two manufacturers out of the dozen or so to chose from. Once again, a used motorcycle is dirt cheap.

>What make model and year bike did you buy for $2000 and how many miles did it have on it?

I bought a 1985 Honda V65 Sabre for $1650 with 28k miles.

>>17315329
*when it's warm and sunny out and you don't need to transport anything larger than a backpack or you feel like wearing a ton of gear and not being comfy

>I own a bike so no butthurt

>>17316644
>I bought a 1985 Honda V65 Sabre for $1650 with 28k miles.

Nigger that bike was only made for 3 years 30+ years ago.

Most cars from 1985 are not worth 2 grand or not on the road. Hell a good condition 85 vette that originally cost a lot of money is like 5 grand

MSRP on an 85 saber was $3300 so the fucking thing only lost half it's value over 30 years. Cars lose 90%+

>>17316659
DELETE THIS

>>17316659
rekt

>>17316627
I bought my 89 FZR600R in perfect shape for $1500.

Its a 600c 4cyl proto-supersport the grand-daddy of the R6.

Not much can keep up with me through anything twisty since I put modern sport rubber on it and R6 Brakes.

Honestly can't wait to buy a new bike just to turn this one into a track beast and drag elbow.

Total weight of rider and bike is just a hair over 500lbs, and it makes just under 100BHP.

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>>17315329
One crash and you die

a.k.a. natural selection, nobody will miss you.

>>17316685
just don't crash or ride it near psycopaths like you????

also, always ride with a gun so if some cager flips you can defend yourself

>>17316673
Nice

>>17316673
>I bought my 89 FZR600R in perfect shape for $1500.

and it was probably $3000 new, so it held it's value pretty damn well

>>17316659
>Nigger that bike was only made for 3 years 30+ years ago.
Yes and?
They're appreciating now, everyone seems to want an 80's power cruiser these days.

>Hell a good condition 85 vette that originally cost a lot of money is like 5 grand
Ironically Corvettes don't hold their value well.

One of my neighbors has been through like 3 of them.

>MSRP on an 85 saber was $3300 so the fucking thing only lost half it's value over 30 years.
MSRP was actually $4548, adjusted for inflation that's $10,335.

>Cars lose 90%+
Go look up the value of a mid-80's C10. I'll be here.

I don't want to get hit once and die

Also driving in Arizona heat wearing all that shit is fucking suicide

>>17316709
>Go look up the value of a mid-80's C10. I'll be here.
>cherry pick one car out of thousands

maybe I should go look up prices on Buick Grand nationals while I am at it to represent all car values from the 80s

Look your bike held good value, most cars don't even fucking run after 30 years much less offer people something desirable to buy and drive

>>17316721
>>cherry pick one car out of thousands
Or a Fiero, a Caprice, it doesn't matter
They're much more practical as per my original point.

>Look your bike held good value,
losing almost 90% of its value is good?

>most cars don't even fucking run after 30 years much less offer people something desirable to buy and drive
I'll beg to differ on that, as an owner of two classic cars.
It took me about $160 to get one of mine running from junkyard status.

>>17316730
>>Look your bike held good value,
>losing almost 90% of its value is good?

Half is not 90%, you are talking about 30 year old bullshit where the specifics of the individual vehicle matter more than anything

A new bike purchased at a dealership will hold it's value percentage wise better than a car

>>17316685
Ive crashed countless times on bikes since I was a kid
Im still here
wtf

>>17316738
My grandpa smoked and lived to be 90

therefore smoking is not bad for you

>>17316737
>Half is not 90%, you are talking about 30 year old bullshit where the specifics of the individual vehicle matter more than anything
10k in 1985, $1650 in 2016 adjusted for inflation.
Tell me how that's half?

>you are talking about 30 year old bullshit where the specifics of the individual vehicle matter more than anything
The age isn't what matters here, what matters is that people look at a used motorcycle and see something for a weekend. People look at a used car and see it as a means to put food on the table.
You can't seem to grasp this concept. Nobody cares about some shitty little 250 Honda that's been dropped 20 times. A car holds value because it is value.

>>17316752
you suck strangers dicks your entire adult life and havent gotten aids yet
unprotected gay sex must be good for you

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>>17316716
>not buying perforated kevlar clothing
It's like you're retarded or something. Would love to visit Arizona sometime tho t. Finland is cold, pls bring firewood

>>17316716
perforated gear vents air really well as long as you go fast. I went for a 2 hour ride today in 85 degrees and i just had a little sweat on my back cause i was averaging 80mph.

And that's with leathers, textile cooks you less.

>>17315329
Can't take your friends/kids
Long, comfortable road camp trips are impossible
No a/c or heat
No protection whatsoever from the elements (yeah i see bikers all the time stranded under overpasses during storms, no thanks)
You're an annoyance to everyone else on the road
Much greater chance of injury in even a fender bender
Can't tow/haul another vehicle, trailer, or a meaningful amount of groceries
Forget smoking a cigarette at speed, looking at a map/fucking with gps, eating, have to stop for all that too

If you want to give up all that to be faster then 95% of cars on the road then go for it. I already have a car that's faster then 95% of what's on the road and I still retain all of the above. I suppose if you wanted to be alone most of your life it wouldn't be a hindrance to ride a bike, but I won't get one any time soon.

>>17316801
>you cant own both! its impossible!
The point of OP was bikes are objectively superior for reasons of performance. So fuck off with your normie shit
And the money you save buying a fast bike over a fast car, you can also have a decent truck :^)

>I suppose if you wanted to be alone most of your life
roflmao cager literally this salty

>>17316801
kek another triggered cager

stay btfo in your cuck cage

There's a motorcycle school nearby but they charge 300$ to train us, that's a fuckton, even worse is that's the only one near my area. How do I learn to ride a motorcycle? Honestly I think of just getting a 1000$ bike of cl and just try to get home in it lel

>>17315329
Somewhat tangentially related; why do people put literbike engines in small cars? Even the tiniest cars weight exponentially more than the heaviest bikes, so they'll just be less clean, less efficient car engines that are just marginally faster.

Or are bike engines made completely differently from car engines?

>>17316889
>why do people put literbike engines in small cars?
Consider that back in the day a lot of european and japanese cars had about tiny 1 liter engines anyway.

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>>17316889
They're used in small cars like that because they're light, put out decent power and parts are somewhat available. The broad rev range is also good for racing. Some kit cars like these use a modified Busa engine. They don't need much top end on a tight course so they gear them accordingly. A normal 4 cylinder would just smoke the tires in a sub 1500lb car.

>>17316889
I'm sure you could find a 1L car engine that revs to 12,000+ RPM, makes 180 horsepower and weighs maybe 200 lbs with the transmission, but you can't find them for 5 grand on Craigslist with a bike attached.

>>17315329
>how do i argue against this?
not every state is california that gets zero snowfall a year.

also, offroading and rally.

>>17316962
>What are dual sports
>what are dirtbikes
>what is winter gloves and jacket

>>17316962
>offroad and rally

???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhzDT37b158

>>17316972
yeah man, those winter gloves and jacket are really going to help you on iced over roads and pushing yourself out of 2 foot snow drifts.

>>17316962
>off roading
The only thing that can beat a 450cc dirt bike are multi million dollar trophy trucks.

>>17316962
Bitch I live in Massachusetts and I ride a motorcycle year-round. I don't ride on unplowed streets, but I also don't like to drive on them either.

Rain, snow, heat, etc don't stop me. Only hail and blizzards stop me from riding.

>>17316980
Why drive on iced over roads if you can avoid it? Stay home and drink.

>>17316976

Your forgetting that 99% of riders can't come remotely close to doing that nor will they come close to setting any records at a track. So it doesn't matter how good the bike is it's all rider.

>>17316985>>17316976
>immaculately groomed tracks

fucking lol. what pussy trails are you riding? if you aren't fording a 3' deep river or mud pit you aren't trying hard enough. a beater ford bronco with some super swampers are going to outperform any bike.

>>17316994
because i have an all wheel drive car with studded tires.

>>17316999
tell me more about how everyone with a hatchback shitbox will manage to drive as good as Loeb

>oh wait

>>17317008
>the Baja 1000 is on a groomed track
Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

>>17317008
are you stupid?

>>17315329
Cupholders

>>17317012
All wheel drive cars have the same stopping distance as rear wheel drive.

>>17316859
thats nothing.
training for full license in the UK costs about £900.

>>17317047
hence the studded tires.

>>17317020
>the baja 1000 has boulders the size of houses, rivers, mudpits, and fell trees laying about the course.

yeah, sound pretty groomed to me.

>>17317054
Rear wheel drive cars can use studded tires too.

>>17317019
It's way the fuck easier to go fast in car than on a bike.
>>17317047
Slightly better if it has a permanent awd system. Engine braking yo. Haldex cucks don't know about this.

>>17316590
isnt that the teacher who went full retard and fuck his student

>>17317412
yes, the "Jimmy Russle" incident.

>>17316917
>>17316918
>>17316936

So basically bike engines are more common, easier to repair rotary engines?

>only effective on light vehicles
>absurd horsepower for the size
>light

>>17317629
Nah. They last far longer than rotaries

>>17315329
I will get one soon, but I live near too many old people and almost die daily already.

>>17317629
Require less maintenance and will go longer than a rotary

more like an underpowered regular car engine

the reason people only use them in meme cars is they have built in sequential trannys and most people won't put up with that in a car (and no reverse)

>>17316278
>Less safe vehicle is less safe
Holy shit man no way

>>17315329
A Honda rcv moto gp bike is almost a quarter of a million bucks. The desmo was $60k wasn't it? You can spend a lot of money on a sport bike to match the quality of a high end exotic. Comparing a $5k 600cc to a hypercar is retarded. There is more to driving than how fast it goes.

>>17316889
Most of the time when you see them in cars they have been modified or turboed and are making 200-400hp

>>17317965
>There is more to driving than how fast it goes.
Getting stuck in traffic.

>>17317946
>>17317645
>There are no rotary motorcycles

Holy shit summer at full force

>>17318063
autism

>>17318072
I can tell you have it

>>17318078
witty retort

>>17315464

>120hp liter bike
>laughinggirls.jpg

750s have more than that you cuck.

>>17318104
what?

That is the only thing it's good for. Motorcycles are only for weekend fun, which means you HAVE to have a car beside it so it's a very expensive hobby

>>17318554
it's actually a very cheap hobby if you don't get hurt

>>17318554
I think it depends on what you do/really need
I'll concede most trades that need you to carry a lot of equipment every day wouldn't be practical, but unless you get snowed in half the year or something I think most people could get by and if you really need a car they could borrow/rent one. I've never had a problem arranging a free delivery either if whatever you're buying costs more than whatever delivery might cost. You can carry a lot of stuff with an ordinary rack and some straps though.
I actually drive a car most days because I keep sport tires on my bike that would square off too fast, but I haven't actually NEEDED my car for a year or more. I got by pretty well for a few years with only a bike but as a health+safety officer I rarely needed to carry a lot. I guess passengers are a bonus too but most people are pretty eager to try coming on the bike if they're not totally scared but you need to keep an extra helmet at least.

>>17318554
it's not very expensive if your car is just a shit grocery getter.
infact it's a lot cheaper than trying to daily a sports car.

>>17318740
This. You can drive something comfy and economical, then ride something fun and sporty.

>>17318740
>infact it's a lot cheaper than trying to daily a sports car.
Still, it's an expensive hobby for lots of people. I think a lot of people don't even have a few hundred euros to spare monthly for a hobby. There are cheaper hobbies which are about as exciting like kite-surfing or rock climbing

>>17318810
>euros
irrelevant

rain

>>17315329
Safety features

>>17318857
If you need them, you don't deserve them.

>>17318863
Not a counterargument

>>17318883
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17318887
Again, not a counterargument

>>17316010
>No it won't.
Are you literally retarded?

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>>17316010
>>It's not fun to sit in traffic my dude.
that's exactly why i ride a bike

>>17316026
I went from 10 years of a 100cc 4-stroke dirt bike to a 1000cc street bike just fine. I feel like a lot of trail riding skills transition well to the street as long as you're not retarded.

>>17316022
Git gud

>can't even pull 1.0g on the skidpad

no thank you sportbikefags

>>17318990
I can't tell if this is bait or you're stupid so I'll bite.
If you lean a bike while cornering hard, lateral Gs become vertical Gs pointing diagonally towards the ground. Using lateral G readings to compare a bike's cornering ability to a car's is asinine, because for it to be an accurate comparison, the bike would have to remain perfectly upright through the corner and nobody on earth rides like that except the worst chicken strip squids.

>>17319012
Cars can pull more Gs and take tighter turns faster, sorry for facts

>>17319023
And bikes more than make up that difference on corner exit acceleration. Sorry for facts.

>>17319023
Way to confirm you have no understanding of physics, and cannot read to boot.

>>17319029
>making up for slow corning

wew lad

>>17319031
>Way to confirm you have no understanding of physics, and cannot read to boot.
Cars actually can corner faster and tighter due to being able to produce down force via aerodynamics which bikes cannot do

>>17316278
>-Motorcycle riders aged below 40 are 36 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle operators of the same age.

fuck that noise

enjoy ur deathbikes twowheelfags

>>17318552
Liter bikes have closer to 200hp now. They're fucking insane.

I honestly wish people would just respect motorcyclists instead of being assholes to us, they don't need to want to ride to be able to do that.

>>17319012
>If you lean a bike while cornering hard, lateral Gs become vertical Gs pointing diagonally towards the ground. Using lateral G readings to compare a bike's cornering ability to a car's is asinine, because for it to be an accurate comparison, the bike would have to remain perfectly upright through the corner and nobody on earth rides like that except the worst chicken strip squids.

this is not actually true, the way the skidpad works is you drive around in a circle and they calculate the Gs pulled by how fast you are going when you break loose, bikes simply cannot drive the circle as fast as a car no matter how you look at it, leaning or not

Remember many bike crashes are caused by rider ignorance and stupidity or those factors contriboot.

If you think stats based on broad swathes of vehicle operators apply to your use case, don't ride. No more riders are needed. We have too many now who aren't part of what used to be a pretty cool motorcycling culture but despite vastly superior hardware today has devolved into massive faggotry.

Everyone who rides will die or be maimed as a result. That's why I'm dead and maimed (I've lost seven limbs from road rash alone). I've ridden for decades with only two low speed lowside crashes but they were extra super fatal and injurious. I once rappelled to safety from a crash site using my own intestines, but that is for another thread.

Motorcycles are so deadly just standing near one will spread crash contagion putting you at risk of wrecking your car, truck, wheelchair, bicycle, skate board, walker, crutches, couch, recliner, or hospital bed.

Buy a used Kia and PRETEND it's a supercar. No one else will know. You can play F1 race engine audio to set the mood. The only reason to buy fast vehicles is so you can post about them on the internet, so collect pics and get gud at shooping yourself into the dream, so to speak.

>>17318554
Glad to know I didn't daily a motorcycle for five years and only added trucks to haul shit after buying a house. Gf (later wife) dailyed hers even longer.

>>17319058
Enjoy your cuck cage.

What kind of insult is twowheelfags? Lmao, cagers are literally children

>>17319143
>Remember many bike crashes are caused by rider ignorance and stupidity or those factors contriboot.

yeah it's not like you can be hit by a fucking car while at a dead stop at a light or anything

bikes are 30x more deadly not because you are basically wandering around in traffic on foot but because bike riders despite knowing they should be more careful, drive 30x more recklessly than car drivers

except for (you), just wear a good jacket and no car can ever hurt (you)

>cuck - 13 matches
>cage/cager - 20 matches
>pussy - 7 matches
Motorcyclists sure are mad

>>17315329
Because sometimes I need to move four people and their shit.

>>17318810
>hobby
>hobby
>hobby

Shut the fuck up cager nigger

>>17318888
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17319197
>>cage/cager - 20 matches
mad confirmed

>>17319012
>I can't tell if this is bait or you're stupid so I'll bite.
>If you lean a bike while cornering hard, lateral Gs become vertical Gs pointing diagonally towards the ground. Using lateral G readings to compare a bike's cornering ability to a car's is asinine, because for it to be an accurate comparison, the bike would have to remain perfectly upright through the corner and nobody on earth rides like that except the worst chicken strip squids.

simple friction can't resist more sideways force than the weight pressing down.

>>17319190
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17319220
add one to the cage count
add one to the cuck count

>being this mad

>>17319209
>>17319197
Enjoy your cuck cages, pussies.
BTFO
cagers are literally crying throwing hissy fits itt thread

>>17319227
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17315329
>as a daily driver

Creature comforts, cargo (material or people) space, can't fall over slipping on snow/ice.

>as a performance vehicle

High (very) speed cornering, WOT launch control. Better absolute top speed.


Bikes are superior for low through high performance categories, then cars take over at the very top tier due to various driver assists and the marvel that is aerodynamics and all the cool shit you can accomplish by manipulating downforce. Basically the argument boils down to muh power/weight versus nearly infinite scalability due to the platform. For the record I am an unrepentent bikefag, but I can't argue with observed fact.

>>17319266
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17315329
Most bikes are designed to either be off, or moving. In a way, you are too, especially if you're wearing gear.

However, americans do not let motorcycles split to the front at traffic lights because it's not fair that they have to wait in line while you violate the kindergarten-tier ruleset that is the only one their tiny, stressed out brains can handle.

So, fast as you may be, you will bake and your bike will overheat and shut off, because you can not remain in motion. You must crawl as if you are using a four tonne car to transport one person and a bag of groceries.

>cops won't get me bro

Oh sure, alright, wait at a red light, wait for it to turn green so you can pass all that heavy cross traffic. Wait, it's not turning green? Up walks the cop.

>>17319276
>However, americans do not let motorcycles split to the front at traffic lights
varies by state

>>17319274
I do actually, when I'm not on muh baiku instead. :^)

>>17319023
not any cars you can afford, pal

>>17319228
>>17319220
>>17319208
>>17319201
>>17319189
There is valuable info in this thread, but not from comments like these

>>17315329
Hell, you don't even need 5k. I had a 650cc Nighthawk that I paid $1000 for and that could smoke almost any car. People in this thread hating on bikes are likely too scared to ride.

>>17319280
Yeah

California: It's "not illegal" to fly down the highway doing the speed limit while everyone else is doing 30 under the speed limit.
The rest of the country: Californians do WHAT? That's it. If this next bill has anything to do with motorcycles not remaining squarely in their lanes and waiting in line it's getting the fucking veto.

Also it's worth noting that wherever you find legal filtering, you find graduated licensing that keeps the shit riders off turbobusas

>>17319290
>>17319281

enjoy your cuck cages

>>17319288
?

lots of cars can pull slightly over 1g on the pad, no motorcycles can

>>17315488
Dodgey viper has a better ring time than a super dooper bike.

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>>17316278
>>muh safety
>>i don't wanna die in a blaze of glory
>>what would my wifes son do without me
I bet you have you have a "feel the bern" and"coexist"sticker on your volvo/prius!

>im too scared to ride a bike

that's literally what they say, just in a variety of different ways.

>>17319433
enjoy your cuck cage pussy

>>17319436
this whole 'cager' thing is pathetic.
makes you sound like an infantile retard fresh off the boat from reddit.

I have a CBR600RR and I agree you guys should stop saying "cager"

I think riding and driving are too different to compare. It's like comparing flying a helicopter to a plane (in a way I think).

Performance dickwaving from both sides is just irrelevant because you're not going to be racing one against the other in a controlled race, and on the street the conditions favor both vehicles in different ways. And if you are worried about outright performance then I'll advise you now to give up anything that runs on the ground because it will never come close to what an aircraft is capable of, or are you too poor?

I don't know how people can enjoy one and not the other of bikes and cars unless it has something to do with image or if they don't truthfully enjoy either for what they are.

>>17319458
this is a board about motor vehicles, not aircraft

>>17319481
I think you're missing the point.

>>17319451
>>17319456
enjoy your cuck cage

>>17319096
Stop rev bombing your shit in the middle of downtown.
Stop punching mirrors.
Stop yapping to a camera while you motovlog with one hand on the bars.

These things would all help with your reputation.

>>17319511
What color DR650 are you going to buy?

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>>17319321
The viper is a piece of shit that is no longer made

>>17319044
>I do not know what I am talking about

Aero also means lower top speed and acceleration, just look at the viper acr, Aero has its compromises

>>17319744
he was 100% right anon

>>17319683
not sure but im going to paint it black regardless

ill probably get a tr650 instead anyway so i can kill myself faster while shouting "enjoy your cage, cuck"

>>17319658
>Stop rev bombing your shit in the middle of downtown.
Idle vibrations, and downshifts.
>Stop punching mirrors.
Start using mirrors.

>car behind me
>enter roundabout
>50+ km/h
>leave roundabout
>car far behind creeps through roundabout in amazin slow motion
why are they even trying

>>17319481
>aircraft
>not motorized

I wouldn't mind dying on a bike, but I don't ride one because I'm a pussy and I don't want to get hurt or paralyzed.

>>17315329
It really can't be argued against. It's true but if you prefer cars, then that's just your opinion. You don't always have to validate your opinion to others.

>>17320330
Ride faster, then. Faster you go, the less chance you have of surviving the inevitable accident.

>>17319306
LITERAL bench racing, numbers that mean fucking nothing.

McKill yourself.jpg

>>17320385
Twiggered cwage cwuck awww wook wat twhe wittle gwuy!!

>>17320496
No, just giving anon advice. The faster you hit the tree, the more likely it is to kill you.
And you're going to have an accident. Every biker is. Just a question of when and how fast.

I got mine out of the way early.

>>17320730
TWIGWERD TWHE CWAGE CWUCK! hawhawhaw widdle cwagey pweed hwimeselfs!

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yes your average 3k shitbike is WAY faster than 99.99% of the cars on road

yes its more dangerous

cornering speed dont matter because 99.99% of you cant drive car fast or ride bike fast on corners

so fuck you all

>>17319433

Do guys that drive Harleys get in as many accidents as guys in sports bikes?

Or are allsport bike fags idiots that drive too fast?

>>17320879
probably.
cruiser riders are incompetent.

I actually like driving cars

>Better comfy
>Won't kill ded in crash
>Splatto bikefags
>Turn and stop better than bikes

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>>17320828
Best response.

>>17320879
it's more about getting run over by a car

>>17321211
>i like being a caged cuck

>>17321337
There's nothing wrong with being a cuck. I prefer cars and i like my wife's boyfriend. He treats her and i very well. I get to eat his cum when he's finished with my wife. Bikes are too unsafe and dangerous. I prefer cars so i can sit in the closed locked trunk while my wife has sex with her black boyfriend

>>17316521
I second this, just got a zx14r that dynos 220 HP at the wheel and fuck. The bike should be illegal for street use.

>>17321435
>The bike should be illegal for street use.

Motorcycle crashes rarely kill anyone but the riders, so it's fine

>>17321461
nobike cager cuck being this salty

>>17315926
*blocks your path*

>>17315364
My girlfriend once died in a car crash when she got hit by a drunk driver. Mum got rear ended by someone texting and driving and had to get spinal surgery.

I guess I should never drive again. Shit is dangerous with so many drunk and distracted drivers.

>>17315465
Need to spend $150k to beat a 15k bike. Lol nice return on investment

>>17321461
I meant more for the fact of all of the salt from sports and supercar owners that I can destroy in any race. Also that my local pd would most likely need a helicopter to keep up.

>>17315329
Because I don't want to develop a persecution complex that most bikers tend to have.

>>17315329
You have discovered one of the many reasons people like motorcycles.

Unless you are in the top 20% of rider skill, and willing to ride dangerously fast much of the time, cars are faster in the real world. Assuming the rider is average, a good car will stop and corner much faster. The acceleration advantage of a bike will also taper off at high speeds, unless we are talking about 130+ horsepower bikes.

My 80 horsepower Ducati was not super fast on the freeway and would probably lose to a GT Mustang in anything but a standing start drag race.

And on a bike you will end up stopping more frequently, so in terms of just going from A to B you are going slower.

>>17321848
>I am a faggot

Ftfy

>>17323874
>And on a bike you will end up stopping more frequently, so in terms of just going from A to B you are going slower.
Explain yourself.

>>17315329
they are slower most of the time

>>17323956
t. caged cuck

>>17315329
You can buy a hayabusa for 6k used

>>17315349
Start on a slower bike then

>>17319730
Calling it a piece of shit discredits your argument. It's a piece of shit, and it's still faster.

>>17315329
just bear this in mind OP
>do you know why they make brightly colored bike clothes?
its so amulance staff etc can find your body...

bikes may out perform 95% of cars but when its cold and wet i can turn on a heater and be warm and dry. and dont need stupid clothes just to drive my car.

nor do i need to worry about being knocked off my car because some idiot cut me off.

>>17315481
Thats in america, its in their DNA, they cant do corners

>>17315996
>sit in traffic
>americans cant filter traffic
How are your freedums going?
I can agree that a liter bike as a dd is just what a nigger would do. If you want to daily get a confortable bike with nice fuel economy, not a performance bike
Like a BMW F800 GS

>>17317986
So why not hektikcharge a car engine in the first place?

>>17316278
Thats because motorcycles are cheap, niggers cant afford a fast car but they can afford a fast bike.
Motorcycles are always being used for hooning, and mostly used by unexperienced riders.
Also most reasonable people dont consider a bike because "muh safety", but if you are a reasonable person you wouldnt have a problem riding one in safety.

>>17324055
>>its so amulance staff etc can find your body...

do you actually believe this

>>17315460
>There's a reason for that. Even if safety is ignored, bikes have no utility and are at the whim of the weather.
No utility? I get 60mpg when I commute on my 500. I paid less than $3000 for it.

>>17324055
my bike clothes are all black
>>17315460
I drive in every weather, fuck off

but on the topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tlxG1-aWtI
I find that very interesting
I knew F1 cars were fast but I always though Superbikes were just as fast
this opened my eyes

I have an hour long commute and like to listen to podcasts on the way. Motorcycles are loud and not relaxing to me at 6:30am.

>>17316801
>Can't take your friends
>No protection from weather
>Groceries
>Can't use a GPS while riding
Do coffin drivers actually beileve this? must be frustrating having to sit in traffic during a "cruise"

>>17321767
Not sure if bait but anyway sorry about your gf anon, but I can feel you.

Gf got paralyzed because some fuccboi rear ended her whilst she was riding her moped. Found the fucker and gave him the worst beating of his life. Gf died three days ago.

>>17316801
>>>17315329 (OP)
>Can't take your friends/kids
My bike has a back seat
>Long, comfortable road camp trips are impossible
Sometimes comfort is overrated
>No a/c or heat
Heated gear is a thing
>No protection whatsoever from the elements (yeah i see bikers all the time stranded under overpasses during storms, no thanks)
I have a rain suit
>You're an annoyance to everyone else on the road
90% of drivers are an annoyance
>Much greater chance of injury in even a fender bender
Every man dies. Not every man truly lives
>Can't tow/haul another vehicle, trailer, or a meaningful amount of groceries
So therefore every car should be a Ford f350 dually right?
>Forget smoking a cigarette at speed, looking at a map/fucking with gps, eating, have to stop for all that too
Phone mount and Bluetooth in the helmet. You shouldn't do that other shit while driving a car either
>If you want to give up all that to be faster then 95% of cars on the road then go for it. I already have a car that's faster then 95% of what's on the road and I still retain all of the above. I suppose if you wanted to be alone most of your life it wouldn't be a hindrance to ride a bike, but I won't get one any time soon.
Yeah, bikers are all alone... which is why you see large groups of them together all the time.

I don't get the argument. Buy and ride or drive what you want and stop giving a shit what everyone else thinks and rides or drives.

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>not having a hayabusa to drive to work everyday.

How do cagers live with themselves?

>>17324208
You dodged a bullet. Having to break up with a cripple woulda been shit

I don't currently have a garage so the local potato-nigger pikeys will steal it off my driveway before i've even finished squeezing into my leather jumpsuit.

>inb4 paraplegic manlet calls me a cager cuck

i envy the community spirit of bikers
i don't know how it is in america but here in europe they are always waving to each other and if one bike is stopped at road side other bikes will stop to check he is ok and don't need any help.
nobody in cars waves at eachother unless they know eachother, except maybe miata drivers.
if i break down no other car drivers ever give a shit.
and when you see bikers stop at a scenic spot or something other bikers appear and they chat to eachother like comrades. nobody in cars does this unless it's an organised meet-up.
so this sense of community i envy.

>>17324758
They are waving goodbye to each other as the death rates for driving bikes in normal traffic are so high

>>17316278
Remember that not all states have mandatory helmet laws, which significantly would lower these rates. (see the Hurt study for example)

>307 replies

Cagers literally had a meltdown

>>17324758
It's the same in the states.

>>17324758
Its like that in canada too.

Theres a bit of disconnect between harley riders and everyone else, but some harley guys are still OK. They just gave a real elitist attitude.

I ride a 2016 Yamaha R3. Love the bike, it suits my needs great (will upgrade to an R6 down the road). For anyone on the fence, this is hands down the top entry-level sport bike I've seen. They're old enough now that you can get them between $3000-3500 on the used market.

As for safety concerns, you can say that about anything. People kill themselves in car wrecks all the time, but nobody ever thinks to stop driving because it's dangerous. Just sack up, wear high vis gear and be a smart rider. If you're a douche on the bike and don't respect the road, it'll eat you alive. Otherwise, practice safe riding skills and be aware of others and you'll be fine.

>>17325698
>Yamaha R3
it's a nice bike but it's not a sports bike.
it's a beginner bike with sporty fairings.

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Cagecucks eternally btfo the fuck out. Ouch.

>>17326154

I wrote out this big long response to you, and then realized you're probably right. I've never ridden a 600. I'm sure it'll make my R3 feel like a toy. I'd love to swap with someone for a ride and feel the difference.

It's no supersport or anything, but wouldn't you say the ergonomics and lightweight handling make it sporty enough?

>>17315329
OP you can't argue against it, but cars do have advantages.

My main reason for having a car as well as a bike is because they each do things the other can't. My bike can split lanes and gets 80 mpg, my car can carry more than one person, as well as my dogs.

They are two very different machines used for similar purposes, so they always get compared, but there isn't that much to compare.