Anyone else fucking hate how modern cars drive? They feel like

>>17279829
>Anyone else fucking hate how modern cars drive?
probably 90% of /o/. the other 10% will call you poorfag.

No one would buy it but enthusiasts, and due to more and more of the population condensing into cities and more and more of it being poor, there aren't enough of those.

If you want it, you have to build it yourself.

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>>17279829
Europe still gets barebones shitbox models.

>>17279829
because (((they))) always needs to came out with something new. The goal is not to create long lasting good car but making product that make normies feel good about themselves. Everything in this world is in regress with young men dropping out of society and jacking off to trannys porn nad cuckold stuff.

>>17279865
>even a fucking Aygo has touch screens and shit
why.jpg

>>17279879
Gotta attract the normies somehow.

Modern cars are better than ever
>in the past: tear down an engine to find a problem
>today: use a code scanner to find the same problem assuming it even happens

Cars are also more reliable than even, 200k miles is the new 100k miles

>dislocating a shoulder to put your arm out the window
Manlet detected.

I love how modern cars feel. Like driving something that was carved out of a billet instead of a noodle with body panels attached to it.

Not to mention new cars are orders of magnitude safer to be in during a wreck.

>>17279829
Why don't you have a toyobaru you retarded busrider?

Why not just buy base model shitboxes then?
This seems like a /whinge/ thread

>>17280135
>implying busriders can even afford that

Where the fuck did the "hang arm out the window" meme start? How short are you people?

> he doesn't want buttons on his steering wheel
But why?

>>17280098
>new car maintenance is easier

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried

>>17280162
I wrench on a W221 S Class, what's your excuse?

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>>17279829
Toyota literally made the car everyone asked for. No buttons on wheel, mechanical linkage shifter, great steering rack, natural aspiration, light as a 240SX, good visibility, great chassis with low center of gravity, RWD with LSD, great driving position, no gimmicks, easy to mod with a sturdy block, cheaper than the 240SX or AE86 after accounting for inflation.

You all told them to fuck off because you're too cheap to afford anything other than 3k Civics, because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k.

>>17280205
thats a Subaru

>>17280205
>implying a better engine costs a lot more

>>17280205
>because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k

No, listen here fuckface, I DESERVE this

>>17279865
>Driving on the wrong side of the road

>>17280098

>Have 1991 e36, pre-OBDII
>Can read literally everything wrong about the car, more than you can with a code scanner on a modern one.

See, obd 2 code readers are nice in telling you what is having issues, but to solve the problem that's not enough.
I can read precisely what's wrong with what and what to replace to fix it.

>>17280228
If you buy a real code scanner like a BlueDriver instead of a chinkshit ELM it can do so much more than just read basic engine codes, it'll even give you detailed information on tons of the computer in your car

>>17279829

I like how they drive as far as chassis dynamics.

I hate the way the throttle, brakes, and clutch feel though.

>step on gas
>1 second later it revs

>barely breathe on the brakes
>locks up the wheels (or would if eternal ABS wasn't forced on all the time)

>push in clutch
>nearly put a hole in the floorboard
>can't physically feel when at the engagement point
>engine barely changes sound when at engagement point
>give gas while clutching
>stall because the throttle lags for 1 whole second

I love new chassis, hate the electronic cancer ruining cars.

>>17280253
agree, its one of the main reasons my last 3 cars were old "classics"

that and because I live in a shitty 3rd world country, so there is no way I can justify paying 3x the price of a real car in a bunch of plastic and wires that will start giving me problems as soon as the warranty is gone

>>17280205
>because you think you're entitled to all this plus 300HP for under 20k.
What is fucking EA games making cars now? Are we gonna start calling cars sexist and get upset about too many male drivers. Are auto journalists going to start saying we have too much driver entitlement because we want a functional vehicle? Next /o/ is gonna start a fucking drivergate movement to investigate Kotaku and get accused of being anti feminist.

>>17280215
Just picked the first decent pic from Google, only the UK drives on the left.

But you knew that already, didn't you?

>>17280284
>this level of poltardianism
Take a chill pill, my man.

>>17279879
back up cameras are starting to become mandatory, if you have one, there's it's cheaper at this point to make it a touchscreen than not


I never want to buy a car again
I felt the same way as OP and the only solution I could come to was using motorcycles or scooters but that's way more fucking dangerous

since hating on modern cars became the mainstream on /o/ the contrarian teen crowd moved on to hating on people hating modern cars.

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>>17279829

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>>17280098
Diagnosing mught be easier, but

>in the past: unscrew some things and replace or fix the part
>today: if one sensor malfunctions the car dies and you must go to the dealership and empty your bank account

>>17280098
>in the past: tear down an engine to find a problem
hello busrider

>>17280318
>became the mainstream

That implies that it wasnt in the past

>>17280332
Only if you're a retard who's afraid of some wires

>>17280342
Keep projecting

>>17280376
I'm not the retarded child that keeps rambling about things he clearly has no clue about. It's obvious that you have never worked on any car, new or old.

>>17280409
Nice projection

>>17280318
I thought the /o/ peanut gallery were the contrarian ones

>>17280325
Like I wanted to see some old 3D hag

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>Why can't car makers just make simple cars again, manual transmission, straight up seats, and no bullshit buttons on the steering wheel? How hard can it be?

I feel this 100%.

>>17279865
Touch screen, digital climate control, buttons on steering wheel. 0/10 try again.

>>17280205
Was about to say this. I think the refresh has some buttons on the steering wheel, but hopefully that's an option package.

>>17280315
>I never want to buy a car again
>I felt the same way as OP and the only solution I could come to was using motorcycles or scooters but that's way more fucking dangerous

I feel the same way. I will keep my 2013 Honda Fit for as long as it drives. After that, I will only consider buying a car pre-2010, preferably pre-2000.

Something I thought of if it ever came to getting one of these new cars was removing the infotainment system. It is kind of tricky since some features of the car might only be controlled through the screen, which is stupid. But that only solves one problem. Can't fix high belt lines and low visibility as easily.

Best to just avoid any modern car, with very few exceptions, such as the 86/BRZ.

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The only trend I hate about modern cars is the extreme emphasis on safety features and tech gimmicks.

That's why I can appreciate a stock V8 camaro or corvette...one of the few models that isnt overloaded with shit

BACK UP CAMERAS
PEDESTRIAN DETECTION
LANE KEEP ASSIST
THIS INDICATOR WILL FLASH IF THE CAR SENSES YOU ARE SLEEPY
ET AL.

Pretty soon breathalyzers will become an option in packages in order to drop your insurance premium.

This is overall a good thing, but cars KEEP getting more and more expensive..modern manufacturing has learnt from decades of practice but they keep adding more and more shit and consumers keep buying more and more garbage; prices never go down. It's bullshit. more competition, options, and experience than ever and YET the price of a new car soars ever higher.

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>>17280475
>0/10 try again
Okay.

>>17280168
>wrench
Taking it to "your guy" at the Mercedes dealership doesn't count as wrenching, Steve.

>>17280114
This

>>17280514
Perfect!

>>17280409
I've worked on old Porsches and new Mercedes along with all sorts of Hondas in between

But keep projecting you poorfag busrider

>>17280544
Mercedes are just like any other cars, minus rusty bolts

But keep crying about the German car boogeyman

I just don't like the coocoon feel that modern cars have.
Everything else is tolerable.

>>17280644
>I just don't like the coocoon feel that modern cars have.

You just perfectly described the problem I have with modern cars.

>>17280644
>>17280650
You guys mean safety?

>>17280653
You're completely sealed off from the outside world. Beltlines too high, doors too fat, shit visibility.

>>17280662
So safety, then.

>>17280666
It's only gonna get worse in the future, isn't it?

>>17280674
Not really, manufacturers have started learning how to engineer for new safety standards and the ones that give a shit can engineer around the safety standards
Like the new NSX has thin as fuck A pillars while being super strong and filled with airbags.
Eventually when that A pillar design is cheaper to manufacturer it'll trickle down to cheaper Hondas

The same thing happened with malaise era cars. Now days we have 600 horse power V8s that get great mileage, are reliable, and meet modern emissions standards

>>17280685
Sounds good!