>Chrysler will never be a luxury brand again >Lincoln is

>Cadillac actually makes good cars now

THIS IS TRULY A DEVASTATION

>>17233516
>American
>Luxury
Also this >>17233521

Buick trys to aim for the young crowd while making shitty old people cars. If they only spent the money from their useless marketing campaign on making a new grand national they would save their brand. No debt ridden unemloyed millenial wil ljump on 40k buick cause some ad told him they are now cool

I work in the car business and holy shit is Chrysler trashy, it's like putting on a pair of artificial leather, fake gucci loafers. At least Cadillac still had a nice ride quality, Chrysler has no redeeming qualities and really only appeals to blacks

>Chrysler will never be a luxury brand again

Well, compared to Dodge it is. However I think considering how wide the FCA is now, that spots been taken by the other brands it owns. I will say, I sat in a loaded 200 the other day and it felt extremely luxurious.

it was always a joke compared to Euro companies anyway

dont think they could be considered luxury except for shit like Packards in the 1930s and whatnot

American car companies are used to leading the world, and since the 70's they have floundered about once they were overtaken in quality and ingenuity. They are primarily reactive now, following what others do. That's why they're trying to be Honda, BMW, etc. They pissed their good names away with shitty quality in the malaise era, and have no idea how to recover.

From the outside, it looks like their biggest concern is how to make things cheaply. After that, maybe they'll make some attempts at something nice.

>>17233541
Nah, Cadillac, Lincoln, and Chrysler were twice as luxurious majority of any car manufacturer from the 70's to late 90's. The whole reason they were popular to begin with was that very reason. Nothing BMW made in the 70's or 80's could top Cadillac for comfort and luxury in that era.

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>>17233541
lol what

>classic German cars

There's a reason why cadillac was once the standard and why the continental was the basis that luxury cars were judged

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>>17233553
wrong

they just put shitty couches in cars that ride awful and called them luxury

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>>17233561
Lincoln of the same year

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>>17233567
why are you comparing a sports car to luxury cars

that doesnt make much sense

>>17233565
Nah, they're known for comfy rides and being luxurious. Or did you not read "The whole reason they were popular to begin with" bit?

The thing you posted looks tiny as fuck. I'd take a 70's fleetwood over that any day.

>>17233598
sounds like you have insecurity issues and need a large car or something

large =/= luxury

in what world is a 17 foot long car small anyway

and nah they ride like shit have been in several
the seats are awful and have no support too

like I said American luxury cars are a joke

and youre one of the reasons they are if you like them

>>17233614
>large =/= luxury

The large the car is, the more room there is to position yourself in. Jesus are you this dumb?

>ride like shit
Nope.

>awful seats
Again, no.

>American cars a joke
Sounds like a butthurt Europoor if you ask me. Where did the Big 3 touch you?

>>17233630
:eyeroll

youre the type of ignorance that cant be taught anything

tasteless and blinded by patriotism

oh well at least that means you wont be defiling any good cars with your presence

>>17233638
>:eyeroll
Hello r eddit

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>>17233638
Is this nigga serious? There's a reason why lincoon and cadillac were the top 2 until the early 2000s

There's also a reason why lincoln is growing faster than any German brand in China and cadillac too, because they want smooth rides and don't care for harsh sporty suspension

Why didn't celebrities drive bmws and Mercedes back then?
Because there were much better alternatives

>>17233516

300Cs are luxurious as fuck inside.

>>17233516
People don't care about real luxury anymore. They only care about phone connectivity, backup cameras, side cameras, forward cameras, infotainment and navigation systems, etc. They don't care about real luxury like seats that are actually comfortable.

>>17233674
they were never on top

old people and nignogs bought them

anyone into real luxury cars knew better

blinded by patriotism retards
ill informed
bad taste

many explanations

once again real luxury seekers had Mercedes Rolls and Bentley

theyre a joke

this nigga really brings up China where VW is king and where multiple BMW and Mercedes models make up the best selling list

>>17233708
lol look at this redditor having a meltdown

>>17233720
lol look at this damage control

>>17233727
lol look at this redditor having a meltdown

>>17233708

In the top 10 there are no BMWs or Mercedes, there are a lot of VWs and a Buick though.

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>>17233708
>China
Lincoln is growing faster year by year than bmw, mercedes and audi ever did since their introduction to the market 2 years ago
In China average cadillac buyer is 30
>once again real luxury seekers had Mercedes Rolls and Bentley

What? In the 80s and 90s mercedes was selling 50-70k cars a year while lincoln and cadillac were pushing 150-200k

You know nothing about the US market

Retard blinded by patriotism

>>17233737
I didnt say top 10 I said best selling

in which the 5 series 3 series GLC and E class all rank on there

>>17233748
yes

theyre not real luxury cars

they are cheap psuedo shit so ofc they sell more

no one seriously into luxury buys an American car

but you are too retarded to realize this

>>17233762

Yeah, top 10 best selling, what the fuck did you think I meant you dunce?

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>>17233762
Are you clinically retarded?

Blinded by patriotism?

Unlike BMW MBA and audi all Lincolns are imports and subject to the tariffs yet they are growing faster than the 3

I sat in a Q5 and the entire dashboard was a flat slab of black plastic

>>17233780
this dumb fuck can only count to 10 lmao

sounds about right for anyone who would defend this garbage

>>17233784

this dumbfuck moves the goalposts as far as he can lmao

>>17233781
doesnt mean they are good either

every American "luxury" car Ive been was awful

American "luxury" is a joke

I dont care who likes it the fact that people think its worth a shit just goes to show how low of standards people can have

>>17233793
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there anon you learned something today

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>>17233614
I doubt you have ever rode in a classic American car


Which ones exactly? Or are you pretending just so you feel better about you?

>>17233802
If they aren't good then why are people buying them?

>>17233638
Stay made Europoor. Maybe one day you'll grow up and see actual facts. These brands and cars wouldn't have survived as long as they have if they didn't move.

>>17233802

>LADA IS IN TOP MILLION SELLING CARS WORLDWIDE SO ITS A BEST SELLER

>>17233802
>>17233784
>>17233762
>>17233708
look at this loser having a meltdown lmao

>>17233804
70s Cadillacs and Lincolns
80s Oldsmobiles and Buicks
90s Buicks and Cadillacs
2000s Cadillacs

nah they all shit compared to every BMW and Mercedes Ive been in

cant even get started on the Maybach I got to ride around in

they think soft seats with no support and suspension like a boat is comfort

nah it feels like shit

they dont have the talent to engineer a luxury car

they will always be imitators

Americans cant luxury

>>17233812
people bought shitty cars all the time always have always will

>>17233813
yes anon

I will stay "made"

made of good taste

>>17233839
nice plebbit spacing and buttrage, maybe you should go back to farming your upboats, loser

>>17233839
Don't fool yourself you have never rode in a Maybach

Which models? Fleetwood? Eldorado? You're very vague

>>17233802
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't count anon. Both Lincoln and Cadillac have been ADVERTISED as luxury vehicles since the 60's. They've been BOUGHT as luxury vehicles since then.

You can be mad all you want, but denying facts is straight up ignorance.

>>17233861
He's bullshitting, Euroclowns can't afford Cadillacs

>>17233528
There were 4 new Buicks parked near me at school.
It seems to be working somewhat.

>>17233516
>Chrysler

It was doomed after Walter P. failed to set up proper management practices and direction. After that it was basically careening from one disaster to the next. The wonder is that it's survived so long.

Chrysler had a shot at being a luxury brand until the abysmal quality 57's came out and destroyed company revenues for long enough that they never had another chance to recover. You can see it early in how long they had to drag out the Imperial's chassis into the 60's with its 50's wrap-around windshield and it just gets worse from there. Then add in the epic mismanagement of the Townsend era. For all hs faults Iacocca put them on the right path and Chrysler was rocking it in the early 90's until yet another management failure by a CEO who was looking for a payday rather than the best interests in the company set them on the course to today, and all because Iacocca didn't like Lutz so he put Eaton in charge instead.

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>>17233839
>Americans can't into luxury

Then what is this?

Maybach BTFO

>>17233871
>60's

Try the 10's

>>17233516
>What happened to American luxury

CROSS OVERS

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>>17233835
>>17233855
your brain likely cant process an argument nor how to make posts past that of a 12 year old desperately trying to troll but just lmao

>>17233861
nigga it was big yellow and had 4 doors and had that automatic leveling shit

like I paid attention to the name

and yeah renting a Maybach 57S on vacation with a group of people is impossible

shit was like $3000

>>17233871
I can advertise a Civic as a sports car
people can buy it as a sports car (and lets face it some people act like they are anyway)

doesnt make it a sports car

>>17233888
vaporware

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>>17233913
>loser continues to dive deeper into his meltdown

>>17233913
oh and that was for the 70s Cadillac
the 2000s and 90s was a Seville/STS

70s Lincoln was a Continental 1978
Buicks were Regals
Olds was a Delta 88

Someone make an autistic screeching out of this lmao

>>17233884
>After that it was basically careening from one disaster to the next.
Start naming them.

>came out and destroyed company revenues
You are now aware Chrysler was always the smallest of the big 3. They never had any money to begin with.

>Chrysler was rocking it in the early 90's until yet another management failure by a CEO who was looking for a payday rather than the best interests in the company set them on the course to today, and all because Iacocca didn't like Lutz so he put Eaton in charge instead.
Chrysler stopped existing after the Damnliar merger.


>inb4 memes
not only has my Dad worked for Chrysler but do did my Grandpa and i would be there too if the plant didn't shut down in 2008.
Your ideas theories that Chrysler was so poorly managed don't hold water. They have survived all the way up until the 90's in the underdog position
>muh AMC
AMC wasn't a survivor but the Chrysler brand is still here to this day.

>>17233884
Have you ever driven a 1966 Imperial? They're exceptional cars. I've competed in togue runs with mine and beat modern cars. They are incredible vehicles; real luxury performance sedans.

>>17234008
I was going to bother with a point-by point rebuttal, and then decided that you were right and everything was always peachy with Chrysler and they never had a problem ever and had nothing to do with why they "stopped existing" in the 90's yet still managed to "shut down a plant" in 2008

>>17234467
What's that got to do with anything? The cars were dated and Chrysler didn't have the money to replace them with anything that was an improvement which marked the visible beginning of the end of Chrysler as a luxury manufacturer and brand.

>>17234667
They may have had dated aspects, but they WERE competent luxury cars and are still adequate today. I have one sitting kitty-corner from my '67 Rolls Royce and I choose to daily drive the Imperial.

>>17234729
>They may have had dated aspects
Then they were dated. Even today a model is considered stale by five years on the market and turnover was much quicker then. Judging by the halving of production from 64 to 66 the market of the time agreed.

>>17234768
They're less dated now than they were when new, though, and that was only aesthetically. They've held up remarkably well and are one of the best cars of 1966.

>>17234667
>decided that you were right and everything was always peachy with Chrysler and they never had a problem
I never claimed this.
I was asking you to start naming what problems they had, because you likely only heard /o/ say it at one point and took it as gospel.

>yet still managed to "shut down a plant" in 2008

Damnliar AG*

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it dawned on me the other day, that the American auto industry will inevitably go the way of the British one.

I remembered what happened to the british car industry, how they all eventually consolidated into one megacompany which then cannibalized itself and got parted out to foreign automakers...

Think about it. At the beginning of the 20th century there were over 100 American car companies

By the 50's, it was less than 10, it became the big 3, with 2 or 3 smaller outliers like Studebaker-Packard, AMC, and Kaiser.

And by the 90's, it became exclusively the Big 3.

And now, Chrysler is owned by Fiat. So only 2 of the big 3 are technically American anymore.

I can see the inevitability, and it makes me sad.

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American innovation goes toward trucks now because the average citizen has so much freedom that we literally NEED bigger vehicles.

>>17233708
>old people and nignogs bought them
in the 90's forward.

till then, Cadillac and Lincoln was a respected luxury brand

>anyone into real luxury cars knew better

lol, the only reason anyone bought European luxury back in the day was to show off that they had the money to buy an import. Not because the luxury was better or worse. It was plain and simple attention whoring. "look at me, I have a MERCEDES BENZ, it was made in EUROPE"

>>17235894
>By the 50's, it was less than 10, it became the big 3, with 2 or 3 smaller outliers like Studebaker-Packard, AMC, and Kaiser.
That's because the Great Depression wiped out all the small mom&pop automakers.

Chrysler was initially bought out because they were flat fucking broke and always have been but they were managed well enough (watch this trigger 20 anons) that they could put out the volume to be a big manufacturer.

You're right though, American cars don't even have an identity anymore except for the precious """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""muscle""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" cars like Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger.

>>17235903
>Not because the luxury was better or worse. It was plain and simple attention whoring

people bought American luxury cars despite the luxury being worse because

"LOOK AT ME I SUPPORT AMERICA!"

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As the economy rebounded from the post-war boom they realized they couldn't maintain the level of quality for the price, and instead of upping the price they decided to down the quality. In order not to make it look like a downstep they kept the size and instead went for the cheapest materials, fake everything and tons of parts bin engineering and rebadging. Hence the term shitbarge. These piles of crap may have looked decent enough to the kitsch loving eyes of Americans when new but worn down they aren't worth the weight in scrap value, unlike old European luxury cars. The '70s were the downfall. At that point people simply got used to the realization that foreign luxury cars are much better. And with the general level of jewery and fuckery committed by Detroit in the last 40 years still no one is trusting them to build good luxury cars again.

>>17233565
>nothing BMW made
>posts a fucking rolls

Nice job.

>>17235905
It's only because protectionism made it so they barely had to even try for 50 years. No one could compete with their prices and all good imports were either banned or neutered. Ford is the only company that actually has actually evolved.

>>17235902
If by freedom you mean fat reserves. And you don't need bigger vehicles, you only want them in the eternal race to look wealthier than your neighbors (and because you've skipped on infrastructure maintenance since Reagan and the roads are in absolutely APPALLING condition now).

>>17235905
I wasnt so much talking about identity as just numbers. There used to be some degree of competition, even back in the depleted post-war market, but these days, there isn't any real competition anymore, they all do the same thing for the same market, and occasionally they accidentally make something unique.

but you're right, they dont have an identity anymore, and I blame Ford for this, because they were the ones that started global car design with "one ford" which attempted to turn American car tastes into European car tastes so they could sell the same small engined shitboxes everywhere. And then because of high gas prices and CAFE pressure, everyone else followed suite. If nothing else, the only thing that kept pace was Trucks and SUV's, because demand for those never dropped, even at the height of the economic collapse.

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Europoors think their sporty, overpriced and unreliable shit boxes are superior to American land barges

>>17235928
good thing I never said anything about BMW you retard

American fanboys a so stupid

>>17235939
Lol? companies don't change the market - the market changes the companies.

>>17235936
>It's only because protectionism made it so they barely had to even try for 50 years.
Wrong. They still had to compete with each other.
Furthermore the Beetle has been in the US since 1949 but nobody wanted to buy that piece of shit.

>>17235925
But germans are obsessed with forced obsolescence. Biodegradable wiring harnesses. Plastic coolant system parts. Sealed transmission.

They only seem to rustproof better than domestic cars. Especially audi

>>17235945
>Lol? companies don't change the market - the market changes the companies.
You're trying to apply this logic to something as monolithic as the American auto industry.
You tried at least.

>>17233521
B-but muh B-body.....

>>17235952
Okay dude. Enjoy being wrong.
The beetle was hugely successful by the way.

>>17235918
holy shit are you underaged or just retarded?

overseas competition in the US market didn't really take off until the 80's. It started in the 60's, but nobody really bought them because buying American was just the way things were. "this is the local car company, I know it so I'll buy it. I dont know that gook company"

maybe this doesnt quite compute to your 15 year old brain, but until the 90's, there was this concept known as "nationalism". Where the entire country took pride in what it produced and only bought what it produced. it was just part of the culture.

You were either a Chevy guy, or a Ford guy. You bought a Japanese car and you'd get laughed at.

Everything was still made in the US up till the early 90's anyway, including Japanese cars.

>>17235965
>The beetle was hugely successful by the way.
Maybe in Mexico.

It took them 7 years to even make a chunk of sales lmao meanwhile the Impala was the best selling passenger car bar none for how many years?

>>17235952
yeap sold for 30 years but no one wanted

I guess the millions that were sold never existed

>>17235973
>but nobody really bought them because buying American was just the way things were. "this is the local car company, I know it so I'll buy it. I dont know that gook company"

you fucking retard thats pretty much what I said

I even brought up nationalism eariler

goddamn you are the dumbest fucker itt

the cars were shit people only bought cuz HURR MURIKA

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>>17235952
>They still had to compete with each other.
90% of the market were American cars in the 50s and 60s and they all the same idea of cars. Not exactly what I'd call competition.

>>17235955
Modern ones maybe, but between an '80s Cadillac and an '80s Mercedes I know what I'll pick.

>>17235973
>Where the entire country took pride in what it produced and only bought what it produced.
Even if it was complete garbage.

>>17235990
>Not exactly what I'd call competition.
you'd be fucking wrong then.
You think Ford or Chrysler are just going to sit by while Chevy owns over half of the auto market?

>>17236000
I'm not exactly losing if someone else owns 40% of the market and I own 30% of the market. Nowadays there are so many equally popular car makers, each one can consider themselves lucky to own 10% of the market.

>>17235999
why are you so butthurt/
WHAT are you so butthurt about?

please, help me to understand your pain.

Where did the American car company touch you?

>>17236013
>I'm not exactly losing if someone else owns 40% of the market and I own 30%
That's 40% that you could own.
Good thing you don't own a business my friend.

>>17236025
I love this defense where people try to act like people are mad when they voice how bad something is

beta tier damage control

>>17236033
you sure sound mad to me.

And you came into this thread just to shitpost about how much you hate american cars instead of just ignoring the thread.

sure seems mad to me

>>17236031
Or I could just focus on serving my 30% better so they don't turn into 20%. Whenever you're hellbent on selling your product to as many people as possible the result is a pile of shit.

>>17236041
yes

we get it

youre a beta who cant do arguments so you ignore everything

youre too spineless to even have a discussion

the topic is

>What happened to American luxury

its being discussed

sorry I triggered you

>>17236041
>hurr durr people who hate American cars aren't allowed in threads about why American cars are shit.
Literally turn off your computer if you can't deal with criticism against your precious Detroit buttfucker companies.

>>17235956
You're literally seeing it happen right now, dude.
Holy shit Americans really are fucking idiots.

>>17236043
>Or I could just focus on serving my 30% better so they don't turn into 20%
Yeah well that's why it's good that you don't own a company.

>>17236049
Im not triggered, but you are the one who again, came in to shitpost about LOL LUXURY IT WAS NEVER GOOD EUROPEANS DO IT BETTER LOL

so seems like someone triggered you.

it's ok anon. sometimes people like thing that you don't like.

it happens. people have different opinions

>>17236053
I was talking in the past tense retard.
>yuro "education"

>>17236057
I'm sure you've got businessmaking all figured out, that's why you're on 4chan arguing with NEETS from across the globe instead of running a company.

>>17236061
yeah

and apparently the only people who can post are those who share your opinions

you are sjw tier

4chan isnt your safespace sweetie

>>17236061
American cars were good at some point, but then they turned into shit. And overstuffed grandparent sofas on wallowing long wheelbase frames couldn't prevent it, because that's not what makes cars luxurious.

>>17236050
>>17236049
you don't need to samefag, we get it, you;re a butthurt eurocuck. Now go back to your cuckshed before Muhammed gets back home

>>17236075
:eyeroll

hes getting more sad as it goes along

desperately clinging to whatever he can insulting anyone he doesnt agree with

sjw tier logic confirmed

>>17236065
>that's why you're on 4chan arguing with NEETS from across the globe instead of running a company.
implying i need that kind of stress in my life.

>>17236075
>can't even check timestamps
>rebuttal consists of tired /pol/ stereotypes
Want me to go on about >be 62% white >get shot now, Tyrone Rodriguez?

>>17236073
>And overstuffed grandparent sofas on wallowing long wheelbase frames couldn't prevent it, because that's not what makes cars luxurious.
but if that's what the market wanted from a luxury car then who's to say it isn't luxury?

sure it isnt what europeans wanted from a luxury car, but if it's what Americans wanted, then mission accomplished, no? Greatest gen was the market for luxury cars up till the 80's, and they wanted sofas on wheels.

>>17236080
>:eyeroll
you can go back to plebbit now

>>17233682
Can agree and grear to drive, unless you nig it up wit 22s

>>17236063
They were protecting their industry so no other manufacturer could compete. What about that do you not understand? That's why every imported performance car got neutered and why every European and Japanese car needed to retrofit "safety" bumpers and different turn signals and every other bullshit law GM and Ford lobbied into legislation with their gentleman's agreement.

There's a reason American cars were fucking turds using highly outdated technology until recently.

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>>17236089
Coca Cola with corn syrup isn't real Coca Cola either. It's a ruined ripoff for the undiscerning American market. And it's the same deal with those so-called luxury cars. They used the exact same principle of long wheelbase, soft suspension and big benches as on all the other American models, only with more fake wood and pointless chrome tacked on. They were shit at speed, they were shit on curvy roads, they only succeeded at slowly trundling along highways. Meanwhile European luxury cars excelled in all regards, not just a few.

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>>17236111
>They were protecting their industry so no other manufacturer could compete
How?
>>17236111
>Japanese car needed to retrofit "safety" bumpers and different turn signals and every other bullshit law GM and Ford lobbied into legislation with their gentleman's agreement.
You think they weren't subject too lmao?

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>>17236094
yeah I should leave because you dont like what I say

literally SJW tactics

sorry but this isnt Berkely

>>17236119
this

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>>17236111
Pretty sure that the safety bumpers weren't Detroit's idea, they had just as much trouble adapting to them. However unnlike foreigners who adapted to the changed laws, Detroit thought they could stubbornly bully away the new safety and emissions laws. Which worked out well for them. That's to say, not at all.

>>17236121
>How?
I literally just told you, you stupid shit.

Notice how Mexico and Canada have all the European and Japanese cars that never came to the US or the non-neutered versions? Do you think that's some kind of just random coincidence or do you possibly think it might be related to the fact that only the US has an economy that was largely supported by it's domestic auto industry?

They've been getting fat and lazy producing shit heaps for 50 years.
Now they have to adapt or fail.

>>17236130
The difference is their cars were designed for them. They weren't retrofitted post-production.
If you don't think shit like this was planned you are truly blue pilled.

The US auto industry was and is one of the most government protected industries in the world.

>>17236140
>I literally just told you, you stupid shit.
No you didn't, you listen garbage spouted on /o/ ad nauseum. I want to know the dates and the reasons and exactly what was done. Until you provide this information you're just typing bullshit.
By the way Detroit was also subjected to emissions laws starting in 1971.


>They've been getting fat and lazy producing shit heaps for 50 years.

It's funny you say this yet classic muscle cars and "shitbarges" sell for sometimes 10 times as much as any of your precious plastic cuckboxes.

>>17236146
>The difference is their cars were designed for them.
luh-mayo
no.

Designed for them is a modern bumper that costs two grand to replace.

>blue pilled.
>claims pills
oh i see we're done here. I rest my case.

>>17236165
>>17236154
>Delusional and retarded Americans

Okay, geniuses. Let's hear you explanation for why American cars were so fucking garbage? Is it just because American engineers are fucking morons? Or is it because they had no domestic competition? It's one or the other - because American cars all through the late 70's, 80's and largely the 90's were utter shit using 1950's technology.

>>17236181
>Let's hear you explanation for why American cars were so fucking garbage?
Here we go again, back up your claim, why were they garbage?
fucking yuros and blanket statements.

>>17236185
>back up your claim, why were they garbage?
...........Under powered, 1950's technology, heavy, can't turn, 2mpg.

Not a single american car from that era was competitive in an international race series.
Only in IMSA and Australian equivalent were they ever competitive because of rule politics and banning anything that was too fast for muh 1950's tractor engine.

>>17236146
Detroit actually did everything in their power to prevent the '70s safety and emissions laws, and when they failed they thought they could just start building ugly, slow garbage in compliance to make Washington think the new laws were unrealistically strict and repeal them. This also backfired because the foreign competition had no problems adapting, and it set Detroit back several years in development of ACTUAL solutions.

Basically no one but Detroit is to blame for the downfall of Detroit in the '70s.

>>17236215
>.Under powered,
Wrong.
Net hp ratings were between 270-350 for most cars.

>1950's technology
You are now aware that several American cars had fuel injection in the 1950's.
The car you're driving now (lmao implying you have a car) is using a reciprocating piston engine. If you're a manualfag, the gearbox has largely been the same since the Ford Model T.

> heavy
Yeah well some modern cars are now heavier than more than a few of the classic muscle cars. Enjoy your pigfat econocuckbox.

>2mpg
A 455 Olds engine (that's a 7.4l for you gay boy fuckers) could get 18 mpg if driven with a light foot. You have zero understanding of how fuel economy is achieved with a carburetor. Applying the logic that it was simply a bigger engine therefore it straight up gets worse mpg doesn't apply to a carbureted engine.

>Not a single american car from that era was competitive in an international race series.
Because international races were faggoty and nobody cares about driving a car down a dirt road moderately fast when at the time they could just do it themselves.

>banning anything that was too fast for muh 1950's tractor engine.
You're now aware that a Chrysler 300 with a lazy V8 and a two speed automatic went 130mph on wet sand in 1955.
lets see your precious shitbox do the same.
Waiting for video evidence.

>>17236263
Wow you managed to get the same horsepower levels as European cars with 3 times the displacement. Truly amazing stuff.

>>17236263
This is the most retarded post I've ever read. You're too far gone to ever save.

>>17236268
>Wow you managed to get the same horsepower levels as European cars with 3 times the displacement. Truly amazing stuff.
Your Fiat 124 parked in your uncles backyard never came close to 100hp let alone 300.
>>17236275
Thanks for conceding.

>>17236277
There's American cars from the 70's and 80's that make like 120hp with 4+ liter engines. America has produced more forgettable shit heaps than all other countries combined.

Ill bite even though you are deluded af

>>17236263
>Net hp ratings were between 270-350 for most cars

wrong

most made under 250 and the majority under 200

goddamn there are 5.0L V8s that didnt even break 150

>You are now aware that several American cars had fuel injection in the 1950's.

not impressive since Euros had fuel injection 20 years earlier

>Yeah well some modern cars are now heavier than more than a few of the classic muscle cars. Enjoy your pigfat econocuckbox.

modern cars have better engines to make up for it

much much better
much better safety comfort you name it its better

>A 455 Olds engine (that's a 7.4l for you gay boy fuckers) could get 18 mpg if driven with a light foot

why a shitty geared car can manage awful mpg on the highway real impressive

>Because international races were faggoty and nobody cares about driving a car down a dirt road moderately fast when at the time they could just do it themselves.

they couldnt compete so its retarded
gotcha

SJW logic coming back

>You're now aware that a Chrysler 300 with a lazy V8 and a two speed automatic went 130mph on wet sand in 1955.

not impressive

Jaguar did that with a 3.2L inline 6

ffs a 90s Honda Civic with a 1.6 can do it

>>17235944
I know this is bait, but you do realize that the guy you originally replied to said something about BMW in the 80s and you posted a Rolls.

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>>17236285
>There's American cars from the 70's and 80's that make like 120hp with 4+ liter engines.
Yes no shit, that's called the malaise era. That's when engines were so choked from emissions garbage that they literally couldn't compete with imports.
You know nothing of the subject matter, why do you even continue to post?
>>17236289
>most made under 250 and the majority under 200
Wrong. Pic related

>goddamn there are 5.0L V8s that didnt even break 150
Refer to emissions.
Now if you're going to cherrpick economy motors then i'll go ahead and say the Ford Cammer makes 740 gross hp on a dyno.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Q8PBknCDc

>not impressive since Euros had fuel injection 20 years earlier
No shit, Diesels cannot function without injection.

>modern cars have better engines to make up for it
your 160hp engine still makes less than most shitbarges of the time, sorry.

>much better safety
I'm fine with this because that means my classic shitboxes can crush your car like a can and come out unscathed so i'll concede this point.

> comfort
lol fuck no. Enjoy being squished into the seat with your knees touching the wheel or being a manlet.

>why a shitty geared
a 3 speed automatic with 15 inch wheels only has a handful of ratios to choose from.
This is during a time when the final gear was 1:1 in almost every transmission on the market.

> awful
Comparatively, no, My Dad's truck gets worse MPG with a smaller engine.

>they couldnt compete so its retarded
Ford Falcon at Monte Carlo.
Still waiting for the Imports to run NASCAR or NHRA.


>not impressive
Yes it is.

>Jaguar did that with a 3.2L inline 6
Oh i'm sorry i wasn't aware Daytona Beach was in UK.

>ffs a 90s Honda Civic with a 1.6 can do it

No it doesn't. Top speed for a 1.6 1999 civic is 113 mph and that's with the luxury of extra gear ratios to keep it going.

Stay rekt.

>>17236146
I think you mean that the UAW is one of the most protected entities in the world.

>>17236340
>I think you mean that the UAW is one of the most protected entities in the world.
This.

>>17236336
somehow one pic sums up the entire industry

somehow a pic where the majority dont make over 200 (proving me right) helps you

hp means nothing when the cars are slower than 160hp econoboxes lmao

and wrong a 1.6 Civic can do 130-140 while still getting 30 mpg

American cars were so goddamn shit

sad that you try to defend them

>>17236336
also lmao when you bring up the Falcon

the car that got btfo by a godamn Mini

top fucking kek your whole post is a fail

the more I look at it the more I laugh

you even think old cars are safe

just goddamn my sides

this is bait no one is this stupid

>>17236336
>Pic related
Healthy helping of imagination and a completely different net calculation than in modern cars. The modern day equivalent of the Hemi net number would be around 280.

>>17236368
>somehow a pic where the majority dont make over 200 (proving me right) helps you
over half of those are economy engines.
That's just 1/3 of the automakers bear in mind.

>hp means nothing when the cars are slower than 160hp econoboxes lmao

And yet all of them are faster then your 1.6l civic.

>and wrong a 1.6 Civic can do 130-140 while still getting 30 mpg

Nope.

Stay rekt.

>>17236372
Stay rekt.

>you even think old cars are safe
quote me where i said that.

lmao yuros so btfo they have to literally lie.

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>>17236432
>The modern day equivalent of the Hemi net number would be around 280.

>>17236442
:eyeroll

you are so cringy

sorry

you lost on every front

the other 2/3s are even slower

youre too immature to argue with and will never admit defeat

most engines are economy engines
they made horrible hp even in performance trim anyway

theyre all slow compared to a 1.6 Civic

>MPG: 26 city / 31 highway
>top speed 140 mph
>runs the same as a 351 Mach 1 Mustang

old cars are shit anon those are facts

>>17236432
yeah all those old muscle car engines are complete shit

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>>17236215
>Not a single american car from that era was competitive in an international race series.

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>>17236475
>:eyeroll
>you are so cringy
pic related

>you lost on every front
wrong.

>the other 2/3s are even slower

You know why Chevies are called mouse/rat motors? Of course you don't because you don't know anything.

>youre too immature to argue with and will never admit defeat
Because i'm correct yuroboi

>most engines are economy engines
No the fuck they weren't. If you knew the subject matter you could understand what was what.

>theyre all slow compared to a 1.6 Civic
Wrong.

Stay rekt and now btfo too.

>>17236481
British car

>>17236485
literally no argument

just damage control and autistic screeching

I won so hard lmao

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>>17236492
lmao thanks for conceding.
Guess musclecars make yuros cry this bad too.

>>17236487
damage control

>>17236496
:eyeroll

theres that last whimper of defeat

good day

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you guys realize he's baiting right

he's not exactly being subtle about it

just stop taking the bait

>>17236512
reminder its not bait because you dont like it

I cant help it if literally every classic American car fan is some autistic retard who cant take losing an argument without sperging

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>>17236507
see you later alligator.
Feels good swimming in these yuro tears

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>>17236518
case in point

>>17235973
>because buying American was just the way things were
Yeah, no. It's because they could offer a comparable product for far less cost.
If you think consumers give a fuck about le made in US you are dumb.
Toyota sold well over a million cars in 1980.

And no, they didn't build a car in the US until the 90's. No one built cars in the US till the late 80's early 90's.
That's why they are called imports you illiterate.

>>17236689
>Toyota sold well over a million cars in 1980.
you have to remember however, that before that, the main generation being catered to, fought in the war AGAINST the japanese and had a strong sense of nationalism. Boomers are the ones who didnt give a fuck

>>17233516
>Cadillac is throwing away it's identity and trying to be BMW

The Escalade is still a thing and probably the furthest from thing from a BMW that a luxury vehicle can get.

>>17233516
Chrysler was a luxury brand?

>>17238063
Imperial was.

>>17233839
Boats don't have suspension, kid.