Why and how is it that California and Australia both have really

because those "strict" rules are exaggerated by neckbeards in /o/

>>17206778
pre 1975 cars in California are smog free, that why so many people put sr20s in old 510s

>>17206810
bingo

i dont get out much, but i thought there was car culture almost everywhere

>>17206810
>smog check ups

just detune your car the day you are going to get inspected

it's not that fucking hard

>>17206840
>t. Obviously never lived here
These fuckers
-Inspect for all OEM equipment
-Cops have mobile emission detectors on the roadside
-Will fuck you over if you get pulled over and ask to pop the hood and aren't in compliance
-Have a database of parts you are allowed to put on, and if the part you want isn't there, you're boned.
-Even if the part you want is on the list there's a chance it isn't manyfactured anymore
>TL;DR California treats car modifications the way they treat gun ownership.

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>>17206849
damn that is worse than I tought

I feel like you could get away with the emissions detector if you have different maps, but how exactly do they know what parts you have? you can hide most of them, unless it's an engine swap

>>17206858
Not that anon but I've seen them get on the ground to see under your car to look for any illicit mods. They'll go to any extent to give you shit because they have a quota to fill.

>>17206849
ya the do this in enhanced smog counties meanwhile there are some counties like 12 of them that do not have smog checks every 2 years in California where anyone who is smart registers their car.

>>17206776
Australia has varying laws in different states. Some states like Victoria and Queensland are militant shitholes, but others aren't as hard-nosed about modifications.
It's usually a case of anything goes, so long as it's engineer certified, but good luck about getting it insured.

>>17206810
My friend got a '76-'78(?) Silver Shadow that failed the smog test. Shitsux.

>live in California
>register car in Montana

problem solved

>>17206897
I wouldn't say Victoria is militant, what makes you think that?

>>17206897
Victoria is bad if you have P plates and that's it, we're actually pretty decent compared to other states when it comes to modification. NSW is the worst

>>17206776
>still have a very rich and vibrant car culture?
Creativity and lawmakers not enforcing the "laws"

>>17206776
Not sure about aus but California has a very large and dense population base, while being very progressive so that burger flippers make 16 an hour. The large number of people means there is always something up for sale and nothing special so the cars are all devalued/easy to get a deal on so that nearly anyone can get any cars they want. Throw in their consistently sunny weather and canyon roads, it seems pretty good. Still wouldn't be worth dealing with all the hipsters and faggots though.

>>17206776
Because they don't make it impossibly expensive, unlike many yuropeon countries which as a result have no real car culture to speak of.

>>17207346
Ameridumb

>>17207356
cuck

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>>17207359
Ok, anything else you want to tell me about your angsty life??

>>17207377
yes, keep giving me (You)s

>>17207377
>The Russian comes in to make fun of American Car Culture
Top Kek. The only car culture in Russia is the Russian Car Crash channel on YouTube.

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>>17207400
Have a picture of my window right now then google what time is it in Russia

You are so stupid its not even funny

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>>17207408
>he has a damaged popcorn ceiling

Enjoy your mesothelioma kek

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>>17207426
Why do you think I have the name I do???

>>17207442
Then change your name to Asbestosis because that's probably what you have atm

>>17207464
Ok senpai

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>>17207465

>>17206776

That's a gross exaggeration about Aus.

I know Perth doesn't give two shits. Never had an issue in Sydney but I've never given the cops a reason to. Apparently we're the worst followed by Brisbane and Melbourne.

I guess if you pull up alongside Highway Patrol in a drift box or stace shit then yeah, you'll get the defect notice easy.

I've heard next level shit about Cali though, like >>17206849

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>>17207472
Im getting kinda scared what if it actually has asbestos???

I lived in this house all my childhood man

>>17207479
You're dead. You're literally fucking dead 100%. rip

>>17207479
Why haven't you moved out kiddo?

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>>17207485
Should I get a biopsy???

I am too young to die man

>>17207497
I already did, well kinda, my mom and younger brother still live here, i come here to visit often

>>17207499
On the bright side you can probably cash out on a sweet lawsuit if you live in the US of A

>>17207521
>Not american

Fugg

>>17207505
So you go to uni and come back for breaks

>>17206776
Idk but theyre gay AF and it doesnt stop the rest of us from calling them fags for it

>>17206778
They really aren't exaggerated. If you're car is new enough to require emissions testing it is very difficult to modify your car while remaining legal.

They check for fucking CARB numbers on fucking cold air intakes.

>>17206858
they have pictures of how the engine bay is supposed to look and if something is off they start looking to see if you have a CARB number

>>17206840
>it's not that fucking hard
It actually is.

>>17206776
Despite Emmissions, which can be defeated if you "know a guy" or if you live in a county that doesn't test smog, we have great weather, cars don't rust, a high population, so plenty of cars to choose from, high wages, so we have some money to spend on hobbies, and great driving roads. Because it's so common here, more and more people catch on and get into it.

>>17206776
The real answer in California's case is that the car culture has a 50 year head start on the legislation.

>>17207542
In some yuropoor country you can't modify your car at all.

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>>17207400
car culture here is reading related manga on the couch and never using anything but metro trains

>>17206915
Nope, if you get pulled over they tell you you need to register your car in in X amount of days if you plan on being a dual resident. If you don't comply they will impound your car. Fun stuff California is.

>>17208995
Tell the cop you're just visiting then.

>>17206776
Australia doesn't have strict laws the fuck is this myth from

>>17209002
Not always that simple, and if they catch you driving around for more than a month than they can take action. Its fucking stupid as fuck.

>>17209011
Yeah like your cops dont take away your license for going 2 mph / 5kms over the speed limit

>>17209019
you're confused with yurop (except Germany)

>>17206915
Why not just register it in a no smog couny in California. Not everyone in California has to smog their car every 2 years.

If I moved to California and brought my M O D I F I E D 76 Dolomite, would the police hassle me all the time cause it's loud and smells of fuel?

>>17206875
there are two counties that don't do smog checks after sale. Two. Not twelve.

>>17209212
Your retarded use the internet before you post. These counties do not require smog check.
Alpine
Amador
Calaveras
Del Norte
Humboldt
Imperial
Inyo
Lake
Lassen
Mariposa
Mendocino
Modoc
Mono
Plumas
Sierra
Siskiyou
Trinity
Tuolumne


There are six counties that require smog certifications within certain Zip Codes only. These counties are:

El Dorado, Placer, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego, and Sonoma.

>>17209212
I live in lake county you only need to smog on initial transfer of title into your name. So you can modify or swap engines however you want after that because there are no 2 year checks. Looks like there are way more then 12 counties that are this way with essentially no smog check.

>>17209329
That is a whole lot of California that doesn't require smog checks every 2 years. Guess we know where all the rich people and politicians have their vacation houses where all their cars are registered.

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>>17206810
nope its once the car becomes a classic. it doesn't need smog checks and that age is 35 y/o. also bikes don't need smog checks at all. California is Biker Heaven. Except for LA which is a Hell hole in every demographic

>>17209409
Nope it has nothing to do with classic the year for smog exempt used to move up. The State is constantly changing the smog program. It used to be that any vehicle 30 years old or older did not have to be smogged, so one year model was dropped off the rolls every year. That law has since been changed, so currently any gas model 1976 or newer has to be smogged.

>>17209409
While motorcycles don't require smog checks yet in Cal your still not legally allowed to make modifications to the exhaust without a CARB sticker. any motorcycle model that is dated 2013 or later or has an aftermarket exhaust system must have an official noise emission label from the Environmental Protection Agency placed on it before it can be lawfully operated or even parked in the state of California.

On Sept. 28, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law Senate Bill 435, sponsored by Sen. Fran Pavey (D-Agoura Hills). While motorcycle manufacturers have been complying with the federal law since it was effective in 1983, the new law now makes it a state crime to operate any motorcycle registered in the state that was built on or after Jan. 1, 2013, that doesn’t have a federal Environmental Protection Agency exhaust system sound emissions label.

In addition, the law requires aftermarket exhaust systems made on or after Jan. 1, 2013, to display the EPA sound emissions label, and therefore applies to individuals who seek to replace the exhaust system on affected streetbikes.

>>17206835
It's not. It's been dying slowly.
Too many lib fags

why are so many s-chassis in cali
and how can they get through with engine swaps

>>17209529
This is precisely why yurop has no car culture anymore.

>>17209515
Good, because rice rockets are loud and annoying as shit.

>Know guy from HS
>Constantly bitches and groans about how people don't watch out for bikes
>Also posts videos of him and his dipshit friends weaving through slow traffic going over 100 and other shenanigans testing the upper limits of Darwinism
>Eventually crashes a couple times doing wheelies and other dumb shit
>At one point gets his entire back skingraphed because he wiped out not wearing any leathers
>Now he cannot ride because he's uninsurable and the cops despise and harass him

Superbikes are cool, but the people and culture behind them is rooted in sheer stupidity.

>>17209548
Got pulled over recently for loud exhaust on my bike. Pointed out the stock pipe to officer with the federal and California approved stamp on my exhaust. He then States he is writing me up for exhibition sense I used too much too fast of my 250cc power. yet 5 Harley Davidson motorcycles with straight pipes rode past us at 6000 rpm. It's called selective enforcement.

There are many ways to defiet the smog program in California all you need is money but if you don't have money you shouldn't be trying to live in California.

>>17206915
that shit actually happens alot around here.
>buy plot of land in middle of nowhere montana
>register every fucking car there and enjoy the tax breaks etc

>>17209606
The car insurance when I was in Montana was actually more then when my car was registered in California. The out of state plate registration dosnt work well if your parked in public lots every day for work the police routinely drive through with plate cameras plus the lot attendants turn you in. If you live in a smaller town and local cops see your car parked in the same place for a few weeks they will question. It's not the optimal way to go.

Funny part is my 1971 f150 is swapped with a fuel injection 5.0 with no cats and it runs cleaner then it did with stock motor and carburetor. I figure ive got one of them green ultra low emissions vehicles now.

>>17209172
as long as the car is old enough you don't need to worry about emissions

>>17209125
>just register it in a no smog county
Because the law says your primary residence. If you lie, then your insurance company will
deny all claims.
>>17209400
Rich people are too smart to get mouth fucked in this way.

>>17209172
>76
yes

>>17209022
Bullshit it happens in nsw all the time and it's 20-40km/h+ over

>>17209573
>then states he is writing me up for exhibition
That's what you get for mouthing off. Should've shut the fuck up and taken your fix-it-ticket like a man.

>>17209329
>>17209370
Doesn't change the fact that if you get pulled over a cop will still give you a ref ticket. Living in these areas doesn't make you invincible to smog laws. Just makes it so you don't have to get checked at a station.

>>17209808
but then you have to restore the car to original factory specs to sell it, and some of the smog parts may no longer work

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>>17209860
True, but most of these heavily modified cars don't end up being sold and instead get wrapped around a tree. Either way, nowhere in California is safe from a bored cop with a shoestring budget precinct. Most of the reason I'm trying to leave for Colorado.

>>17209745
How am I going to fix a stock unmodified factory equiped exhaust system. Should I just replace it because it has 30k miles on it.

>>17209727
Why wouldn't you have your drivers licence there too. I'm going to primarily live where ever gets me the best benefits.

>>17210186
Thinking you don't have to smog in Denver.

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>>17209548
>be me
>ride Hamburger-Davidson bike
>at a stoplight in town
>vuvuzela sounds fill the air as I am surrounded by neon-painted Ninjas and GSXR's topped by college teens wearing mirrored Icon Variants with GoPro's on the side.
>poke and prod at me "huehue get a real bike!" and make rumble sounds with their mouths
>reach over with my foot and kick his shift in gear to shut him up and knock him off
>motofagsassemble.mov
>everyone hops off their ricearonis and gets in my face, red recording lights on their GoPro's flashing
>"Harley guy freaks out WTF!!! What's your problem man?!"
>shake my head and blast them with my V&H Longshots as the light turns green.

Sporties are the reason cruiser guys hate sporties.

>>17209808
Your average cop isn't inspecting your vehicle for stock installed smog equipment. ya he could and he could crush your stanced ricer with a can muffler too for Street racing. If you want to get technical even your 1975 vehicle is supposed to have all working federal and state smog equipment installed and working. I have a 1973 Datsun 510 and it had a bunch of smog and evap stuff on it before I swapped a 13b in.

>>17210281
Good thing I ride a dual sport with a stock pipe that is too loud in a town with a Harley Davidson dealer selling straight pipes for all the Dr's and lawyers who want to play biker gang on the weekend in summer.

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>>17210301
What kind of bike anon? Love meeting other m/o/tos.

>pic related, my baiku

Live in California Don't want to break any rules The Motor Vehicle Air Pollution Control Act is a 1965 amendment to the U.S. Clean Air Act of 1963. The amendment set the first federal vehicle emissions standards, beginning with the 1968 models. Have classic car 1968 model year leave it completely stock with all factory required smog equipment. The Hot rod era died in 1965.

>>17206849
What part of California do you live in? I've lived in the SF east bay and have been pulled over by a cop once in my whole time here and it was because my rego was expired (my sister in law's car, rego 3 years out of date) and he let me go with a warning.

>>17210351
Meant to say lived here for 2 years.

>>17206849
>-Will fuck you over if you get pulled over and ask to pop the hood and aren't in compliance

Unbolt hood release say you can't undo it and if they try to do it let them do it. Would that work?

Mobile smog check Socal.
https://youtu.be/LaqZNOvltAg

To report a smoking vehicle, you may submit a Complaint Form for Smoking Vehicles to the Air Resources Board, or call ARB or the local Air Pollution Control District.
Please have this information ready to report:

Vehicle Type
License Plate Number
Date, Time, and Location of the Incident
Make and Model of the Vehicle

Call the Air Resources Board or the local Air Pollution Control District:

The following phone numbers are available in the regions listed:
Air Resources Board (throughout California) 1-800-END-SMOG
Bay Area AQMD 1-800-EXHAUST
Smoking Vehicle Assistance Program

San Diego County APCD 1-800-28-SMOKE
San Joaquin Valley Unified APCD 1-800-559-9AIR
Shasta County AQMD 1-888-249-SMOG
South Coast AQMD 1-800-CUT-SMOG
Ventura County APCD 1-800-559-SMOG

>>17210394
I know who imma call during the next Socal and nor Cal meet up. The CHP never show up but I bet the smog police would love some anonymous tips on modified shitboxes.

>>17210239
I'm researching Colorado Springs. El Paso county no longer requires smog. With pikes peak a mere 12 miles away, it's looking REAL nice

>>17209548
Bikefags and pedalcucks are the same in the sense that they both love to play the victim.

>>17210548
They make u smog your diesel truck there so no rolling coal or power tuners for u.

>>17210362
>Unbolt hood release say you can't undo it and if they try to do it let them do it. Would that work?

Nope! If they suspect illegal mods they'll slap you with a court summons requiring you to bring an inspection sheet from an inspector of their choosing cataloging all you're illegal mods and smog violations.

>>17210548
I want to move there. become the fastest on the mountain and race down pikes peak in my panda trueno (tempo)

The rules are made because the isolated rich fucks who rule us want that car culture gone if it's big enough to notice.

Too loud, too smelly, too dangerous, too masculine. It should only be allowed in tracks with sky high entrance fees to keep the tasteless poor out.

>>17209488
That's fine. Any serious full system you stand to gain ACTUAL power from has all that shit, and the track only version is actually deafening. Short of that you'll get the best gains just by de-smogging the stock tune.

I don't see the practical problem unless you're some idiot with a cheap delk/akra slip on because "muh open pipe, saves lives, muh sound, muh muh muh"

Also
>2013 or newer

>>17206776
Because no one follows the gay rules you homo.

>>17206849
Not all smog stations inspect.
Smog isn't a problem it's inspections.
You only get inspected once every 2 years.
And only once every 6 years if your car is 6 years old or newer.

And you're never going to get inspected unless you're a faggot weeb ricer.

Literally never had my hood popped or even given a ticket for no front plate or any of the other stupid shit.
Only if you're a hondaweeb teenage ricer they will fuck you, and I'm glad.

flyovers so desperate.

>>17209808
Yes it does you fucking dumbshit.

>>17206776
Wait until Maxine Waters decides that older cars aren't smog free any more.

>>17206776
Just one more reason never to live in California. Cali has some great cities, but the amount of bullshit you have to deal with isn't worth it.

>>17210378
First of all that stop is VOLUNTARY.
And a modified car will pass smog if it's tuned well and has a cat.
Smog is a literal non-issue. It's inspections you have to worry about and they are once every 2 years (6 years if car is new).

refs literally never happen. move out of LA and stop driving a civic if you've ever been ref'd

>>17213438
they all do inspections because they get totally fucked if they get caught not doing it

>>17210229
So you expect people will believe that you commute 6 hours to work each way?

I love living in beautiful sunny San Diego and driving a de-catted turbo e36 m3.
Stay clueless flyovers :)

>>17209694
I was told earlier in the thread that 75 is the limit. How would a California police officer even know what the engine bay on a 40 year old British car is supposed to look like

>>17209022
I thought Germany was super anal about speeding anywhere but an unrestricted speed zone?

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>>17213561
>tfw paying rent in SD
I can't even imagine what a mortgage payment would be like.

>>17213679
idk i live with my dad.
but i know the value of the house is going up faster than his interest rate so fuck it

>>17213682
Live with him for as long as you can. I make a little over 70k a year and it's tough sometimes because SD is just so fucking expensive to in. I really should just move to Texas.

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>>17208899
>>17208899
this

everyday i wonder if there is a way for us yuropoors to legally own an engine swapped vehicle...maybe through TÜV you can omologate and register the car in germany which makes it legal and registrable in every EU country...sure, it will cost money but is still a possibility, right?

Its the climate.

>>17213799
>legally own an engine swapped vehicle

What do you do if you throw a rod or crack the block? New engine.

"Sorry, officer. The LS is the only short block they had left when I brought my Twingo in for repairs."

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>>17215792
> LS swapped twingo

>>17206776
Car culture in California is for the rich. because they can afford to be car people, between high gas prices and taxes on everything.

also the rules dont apply to the rich.

>>17213575
They won't. Not that they're looking anyway. Cops want to get in the trunk, not the engine bay.

>>17213799
There was a guy with an LS swapped Miata on Spain IIRC, he had to go to USA to do the swap and then flight the car back to Spain after doing all the paperwork on USA so the car is "legally" american, but on Spain, shady shit and legal loopholes everywhere just to get a fucking swap.

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>>17217644
my dream is importing an already LS swapped car from the US (pic related was for sale in CA for the same amount of cash that would buy you an old and plain C5 vette in my country)

i don't think it's doable in my specific country, here you can use foreign license plates for a maximum of 6 months, after that you have to register the car in my country...

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>>17206776
Australia doesn't really have strict rules. There's no emissions testing and shit which is a huge plus so old classic cars are plentiful with their original engines.

The only people who get fucked are people in ghetto riceboxes and stancefags. Australia is based as fuck in that regard.

>>17217644
Spain used to have a fucking fantastic tunning culture

Also pretty sure you can actually swap engines there as long as it is homologated by a licensed shop

>>17218866
should i import my car from spain then?

>>17213703
Dude, I'm just moving to like pala or something. Or temecula. I'll commute I don't care living in the country is better anyway.

>>17209400
All of theses counties are central valley, desert, or forrest areas. In general theyre all butt fuck nowhere with low population.

> from san diego now living near yosemite.

its not California is CARB.
CARB is a mega corporate shill lobbying bureaucracy.
and democrats are so fucking stupid they cant see a scam over their farce morality.

cause its more fun to break the rules than have free reign.

>>17206776
The result of that vibrant car culture is these tight ass laws, sadly both commie shitholes too.
Wherever lefties become majority fun is kill.

>>17219044
Gb2 >>>/pol/

>>17219053
hes literally not wrong.
save le planet ideologues are fucking morons.

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>>17219079
You are a stupid person

>>17219097
Image on the left was taken during the Canyon Inn Fire.

>>17208995
I've lived in Las Vegas, a shitty smog checking city since 2010. My DD truck has been registered in Illinois the entire time. The one time I got pulled over the cop told me I need to register my truck in state soon and let me go.

>>17213799
>it will cost money but is still a possibility, right?
It's so expensive that it is cheaper to rebuild your stock engine with bore and stroke enhancements - undetectable even to the most rigid German smog clerk.

>>17213799
As bizarre as it may sound, swaps aren't too difficult to pull off in the Netherlands.

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>>17220585

stock engine is dorito, dream engine is LS1, i'm even willing to keep the catalytic converter to be smog compliant, stock power is more than enough for me.

anyway, can you provide me some info about the procedures and costs? i checked the TUV page but i can't find anything about it...

>>17220594

i'm listening, please explain

>>17220729
There's an individual inspection for things like engine conversions, which isn't hard to pass if the swap is done properly. Costs like €500-€600.
If you pass you get a certificate that states your car passed the inspection and by which standards. Should at the very least make it easier to register it in another EU country.

>>17220729
> TÜV
>procedures and costs?
To make an LS1 legal would require the installation of everything that's part of the engine and fuel system (including ecu, fuel tank, and all sensors) from a donor car model that was previously certified and is newer than your car. Then it must pass the inspection and smog test of course. The real problem here is that the individual TUV inspector has the power to fail you for almost any reason. "Your new oil pan is lower than factory and may get cracked, FAIL." Or any other bullshit reason. That's why it is cheaper and easier to do mods that are invisible to the naked eye.

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>>17220780
>>17220779
first of all thanks to both of you for the informations, i appreciate it.

the plan (or delirious dream?) was buying an LS1 swapped '93 rx7 FD from the US, these swaps are pretty common and they are usually done using the drivetrain of something like a 4th gen camaro SS or 4th gen firebird so it should be "kinda" possible given that the inspector isn't an asshole, which is a 50/50 situation...still quite risky...

the "Netherlands way" sounds way easier, what kind of certificate do you get? it's a new vehicle registration certificate (i think it's called like that in english, in german it's Zulassungsbescheinigung according to wiki) or another document? the standard you mentioned is the emission standard or something else?

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>Live in Florida
>No emissions laws
>No car inspections
>Can build an eldritch abomination of a car and DD it if I so please
Feels good man

>>17221897
yeah but you have to live in Florida

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>>17221897
what are the good roads in florida?
if you dont have fun roads whats the point of a fast car?