How did toyobaru fuck up so badly? This could've been a

>>17188306
>This could've been a GREAT car if it wasn't for the engine that toyobaru put in.
Then swap in the engine you think is better.

/thread

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>>17188306
Should have dropped the camry v6 in there

>People still shit on the 86 for not having a powerful engine
>The whole point of the car is being able to get sideways while still going the speed limit

>>17188306

Correction, they would sell three times as many if it actually came with a lift back instead of a trunk lid, and advertised it as a practical sporty car for normies. As it's configured and promoted now it only appeals to autistic sports car fags that can't afford it.

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>>17188306
Daily reminder that the 86 has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can currently get in car.

>>17188409
Then people would have complained about the extra weight from the lift back. You can fit 4 wheels and a jack in the car, what more do you want from a red coupe?

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>>17188487
Rwd*

>>17188312
Why don't they just put in a real engine in the factory?

>>17188368
>Had to put Prius tires on to do this

>>17188487

That's bull. I had a 240sx hatch loaded with every option but automatic and sunroof, came in on the scales at 2650 with a sr20de swap. They could 100% make the 86 with a hatch and keep it around 2800

It's all Subarus fault. What was even the point of partnering with them?

>>17188487
>Daily reminder that the 86 has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can currently get in car

No it doesn't Honda has a 300HP 4cyl Civic.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a32616/this-330-whp-honda-civic-is-all-motor/

What engines will fit? Can I swap in a 2jz?

>>17188306
I agree, but I'm indifferent about power, wish the gt86 had an invincible na toyota i4 under the hood

>>17188306
The most significant problem with this line is that it looks fast, nobody would be calling it bad if it wasn't trying so hard.

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>>17188529
Go Fa20

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>>17188515
>came in on the scales at 2650 with a sr20de swap.

That is almost 100lbs less than the 86 exactly. Not bad considering the 2 cars are almost 25 years apart.

You realize the 86 is 2775lbs right? You think they could add a lift back with only adding 100lbs? Do they even make modern day lift back coupes anymore? I'm genuinely curious.

What do you even want to put in the trunk? People already fit their mountain bikes back there.

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>>17188528
I'm pretty sure that guy spent like 50k on the engine alone.

>>17188529
See pic related

>>17188585
>no pictures

>>17188306

How did they fuck up? They're still selling out at dealerships here. I see like 30+ a day. Just because you can't afford a $27k fun grocery getter doesn't make it a bad car. Overpriced, Yes, But it's not like there's many other options out there.

Daily reminder that people pay $80k for 4 cylinder Porsche's.

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>>17188594
Turn off your firewall

>>17188602
The sign on the windshield

>>17188326
>v6
into the trash it goes

>not throwing a modified nascar v8 in it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKzVgd3JvHA

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>>17188561
>Do they even make modern day lift back coupes anymore?
There's also the Audi A5 Sportback and A7, if you want to count 4 door coupes.

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>>17188585
>>17188641

I am fucking fully torqued right now brothers.

>>17188312
Yeah dude, let's double the cost of our Toyota roadsters instead of just buying something better in the first place!
/unthread

>>17188306
The japanese auto industry is in decline.

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>>17189434
Sure.

>>17189447
>that ugly as shit grill

>>17188561
Did you you just entirely forget about the 370z?

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>>17189451
>thinking anybody else's shit is any better

>>17189468
>thinking this is ugly
Looks a lot better in person too

>>17188409
I prefer the trunk but would identify as a sports car fag, and this is very true. For the same $$ I could get a Fiata or a nice C6, which are infinetly better cars

>>17189504
It is ugly.

>better in person
Literally applies to every car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXvR26SEHvg

>>17189468
not the best looking car but that front end is miles better looking than the full retard lexus shit

>>17189525
No it isn't.

Looks like a damn Darth Vader mask if he had down syndrome. Plus it doesn't match the design idiom of the rest of the car.

The Lexus grille at least has the million little "L" shapes in it.

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>>17188509
Yet it's faster than the top spec miata that came with sports tires.

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>>17188306
The engine is good enough to beat the S2000

>>17188487
What is ford mustang ecoboost 310 hp

>>17188306
>How did toyobaru fuck up so badly?
In Europe, the GT86 was awarded the following titles in 2012:

Car of the Year by Top Gear magazine (and Jeremy Clarkson) who also crowned it Coupé of the Year and winner of the Top Gear Speed Week (against competition including the McLaren MP4-12C, Porsche 911 Carrera S, and Lotus Exige S);
Best Driver's Car by Autocar;
Performance Car by Auto Express.
In Australia, the 86 was awarded the following titles in 2012:

Car of the Year award by Wheels magazine, Carsguide, and Drive (shared with Subaru BRZ);
Best Performance Car under A$60,000 and People's Choice again by Drive;
People's Choice Best Performance Car under A$100,000 by Carsales (shared with Subaru BRZ).
Other awards received include:

2012 Car of the Year in New Zealand (Toyota 86 and GT86);
2012 Best Affordable Sports Car by US News (Scion FR-S);
2012 Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Top Safety Pick in the US (Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ);
2013 Top Ten Best Cars by the American Car and Driver (Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ);
2012-2013 Japan Car of the Year "Special Award" (Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ).
The Subaru BRZ was also crowned:

Fun-est Car of the Year by Top Gear Australia (against the Toyota 86, BMW M135i, Porsche 911 Carrera, Audi RS5, Ford Focus ST, and Renault Megane RS265);
2012 Sports Car of the Year by France's Echappement;
2013 Best Sports Car by Canada's Auto123.

>This could've been a GREAT car if it wasn't for the engine that toyobaru put in.
In addition, the Toyota-Subaru D-4S boxer engine was named one of Ward's 10 Best Engines in 2013.

Stay salty.

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>>17188306
The best part of the engine is the fuel injection system, which wasn't even made by Subaru.

Im genuinely curious about the handling benefits of the boxer vs an inline 4. The boxer offers:
>lower COG
But does so by:
>Hurts engine serviceability
>Limited to mcdonald struts
>Worse piston wear

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>>17189468
nice cherry picking on audi faggot.

Suck audi's grilled dick you little lexus beta cuck.

lexus is for old people and asians, and women who like reliability.

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>>17188306
FRS owner here...

IMO, it wasn't the engine they fucked up, it was the lack of a proper track setup that kept this car back. You need to modify a ton of stuff to make it even remotely ready for a track day. That and the stock traction on this thing is total shit. Even with PSS on the stock rims, sliding everywhere. I shouldn't have to buy 9" rims to get sticky. That, and it looks retarded on its monster-truck suspension.

>>17189869
>rims
Kill yourself.

>>17189869
If you wanted to go track driving not sliding about you got the wrong twin, the BRZ has the more track focused setup and is much more stable at the back end in factory setup.

>>17189880
this fucking guy

>>17189883
Shit i thought they were identical

>>17189888
No the rear suspension is slightly lower and softer on the BRZ and it has different alignment.

>>17189888
>Ripped off cuck
>Typical BRZ/86 Owners

LEL Audi bmw mercedes drivers keep owning these lexus/toyotasubaru cucks

>>17189910
Herp derp cuck, funny how kids want any reason to use the word without even knowing the meaning

>>17188306
it allready is a great car.
Suck it.

>>17189910
Yet I bet you can't post an Audi, BMW or Mercedes made in the last 20 years with as many industry awards.
>>17189849

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>>17189856
>cherry picking
>literally posting the last-generation design with a license plate stuck in the middle of it

Kek. Come back and see us when you're no longer a fan of FWD Volkswagens.

>>17189856
audi is for wannabe gangsters, poor people and people whit shit personality and worse taste.
You are a poor russian peasant if you like audi.

>>17189942
You misspelled Lexus, the gang-bangers' choice.

>>17188306
The FA20 is a great motor. Honestly they just needed to do a BRZ STI so the people that wanted a hardcore sports car could have one. The only thing Subaru couldn't pull out of the parts bin for it would have been the transmission and they could have built one in house using the STI six speed gear set in a newly developed RWD case.

>>17188306
Toyota was thinking about making an enthusiasts version of the GT86, but the low sales basically killed that idea.

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>>17188585
Is that a Coyote? Im a Ford fan but bloody hell a LS1 would have been a million times easier. Pic related

>>17188522
probably has something to do with the fact that Toyota owns a small part in Subaru

>>17188528
>compares a factory motor to heavily modified motor
:^)

>>17188522
Fucking Subaru and those shitty boxer engines, when will they stop being edgelords and just use tried and true i4cyl.

How to EJ25
>fry head and manifold gaskets because Subaru cheaped out and put thin as fuck low heat resistant gaskets on
>pain in the dick to work on, things that should be easy to get to aren't
>b-but muh low center of gravituh tho
What meme engine design.

>>17189434
>The japanese auto industry is in decline.

wewlad

>>17189846
>ecoboost
>ecoBOOST
>BOOST

holy shit kill yourself, can you not fucking read?

>>17189855
>Limited to mcdonald struts
Literally nothing wrong with that.

>Hurts engine serviceability
If you're mentally handicapped, yes.

>Worse piston wear
If this was actually a significant problem, the boxer design would have been abandoned years ago.

>The best part of the engine is the fuel injection system
Toyota's DI fuel system would be shite without the FA

>>17190091
>they could have built one in house using the STI six speed gear set
When you say "they" you mean ProDrive, and "they" have zero interest in doing such a thing

>>17190314
>those shitty boxer engines
>EJ25

Literally any other EJ is better than the 25, try harder.

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>>17190337
Pfft same design, just different size, and with or without boost.

>>17190314
They basically have to use the boxer with their AWD system. Because of where they have to position the transmission relative to the wheels a longitudinally mounted I4 would be too tall for their sedan derived cars and would make their cars even more ridiculously nose heavy. Before you say "just change to a transverse mounted engine" I'm going to remind you that would mean throwing away their entire AWD system which is simply not going to happen.

The only other engine you could fit under the hood without ruining the car completely from a weight distribution perspective is a fucking rotary which I suspect you would not be happy with as a solution.

>>17190344
Mitsu did it tho, worked for them.

>>17190342
>does the opposite of trying harder

all of the EJ20's have thicker cylinder walls, and rev significantly higher. People literally throw TD05's on these engines @ 25PSI with no other mods all the fucking time.

All of the EJ22's have thicker cylinder walls, stronger internal components, etc.

All of the EZ30, EZ36, and EG33 engines outlive the EJ series.

The EE20 Diesel is unstoppable.

Should I continue, or do you see my point? All manufactures have bad engines, trying to undercut Subaru solely based in the EJ25 is retarted.

>>17190341
愚かな外国人は家に帰ります。

>>17190348
Mistubishi used a transverse mounted engine with an AWD system that was only AWD on demand. An Evo experiencing zero slip at the wheels is front wheel drive.

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>>17190363
Fuck off rice nigger, I can dream.

>>17190314
The FA20 was also named one of Ward's 10 Best Engines in 2015 & 2016 on top of the 2013 award listed above.

>>17190335
>you mean ProDrive
I've seen this repeated before but I've never actually found or been presented anything indicating that Prodrive was involved in the design of the STI transmission in anything but an advisory role.

Even if it was true (it isn't) it doesn't take a genius to take an existing AWD transmission and design a new case that uses the same gearset and omits the AWD parts.

>>17190373
You can dream, so I can, maybe one day our dream will come true. But sadly...
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/shocking-gt86-sales-mean-we-should-say-sayonara-to-a-hot-version/

>>17190386
>Even if it was true (it isn't)
But you're fucking wrong, anon.

Prodrive designed the DCCD systemwhich comes on the STi TY85* series transmission.

>it doesn't take a genius
These STOCK transmissions are used in very high horsepower (<700 whp) subaru's for a reason, they're way stronger than the TY75* series 5-Speeds.

Prodrive creates a design prototype with heavy mechanical modification, and subaru mass produces these parts to spec. That's it, the STi comes with special parts because it's the STi. Besides, the current gearbox design is literally three separate segments, changing that design would cost way too much for a single model that doesn't sell as well as the STi or the Outback

>>17190420
>Prodrive designed the DCCD systemwhich comes on the STi TY85* series transmission.
You're gonna have to post some first hand evidence that Prodrive designed the DCCD system because it was on the 1994 JDM STIs which were still using the TY75s. 1994 was also the first year the rally car had an active center differential so assuming Prodrive did design it would mean that Subaru threw it onto their production cars before they'd even finish a single rally season which obviously didn't happen.

>Prodrive creates a design prototype with heavy mechanical modification, and subaru mass produces these parts to spec.
Wait you think Prodrive does Subaru's R&D? That's literally the STI division's job which is why the car has their name on it. Subaru and Prodrive haven't had a professional relationship for over 8 years.

>Besides, the current gearbox design is literally three separate segments
How exactly? They'd need to design a new case to hold the gearset sans center and front differential. People already do RWD conversions with their STI transmissions by removing those parts.

>>17188306
It is a great car, loved by enthusiasts around the world.
It's only hated by a bunch of bus riding bench racers

>>17190330
t. 86 owner

>>17188487
>most powerful NA 4 cylinder

that's like saying you are the strongest starving jew in the concentration camp

engine is fine, after you flash it.

fucking /o/tists don't get the point of the car and the state of the coupe market.

it is supposed to be an entry level rwd coupe that is fun. priced as low as possible while still being realistic in a low demand market.

if it wasn't for damn fuel econ standards. then the car would ship with better tire and no damn dip in the mid rpms.

>>17188306
Nothing wrong with the car. Center of gravity is god like. It was designed as an enthusiast platform. BRZSti will make more power if you're really that worried.

>>17188306
>It should've come with a quad turbo W16, keeping the same weight, center of gravity and price
>Only then it would've been a decent car
Kys you are self.

>>17189822
>Basing a transmission solely on how many gears it has
Literal benchracers. The Miata's manual is one of the tightest, best feeling and shifting transmissions on the market. The Toyobaru is pretty good but definitely not as good as the Miata's. Also
>Implying anyone is going to get to 129 mph on public roads
>Muh laptime (Citation and Track Needed)

Can we start IP banning these fuckslots spam posting BRZ threads again? Why did we stop doing that?

>chassis and suspension by Toyota
>engine by Subaru
>this car could have been great if not for the engine
So it could have been great if Subaru wasn't involved, basically. There would probably be less vapers driving them too.

>>17191702
>The Toyobaru is pretty good but definitely not as good as the Miata's
I've tested a lot of cars in this class, including the NC and ND Miata, and the only transmission I liked more than the Toyobaru's is the Honda S2k's.

I frequently reach 150 mph on public roads.

>>17191716
The whole car is from subaru. The only toyota part is the D-4S

Why are people still arguing over this car 5 years later? Get over it you dorks

>>17191792
>it's been 5 years already
>they don't exist anymore
>they're not relevant anymore
>so many new cars that are so much better came out in the last 5 years
>I just want you to stop liking what I don't like

>>17191823
I just want to stop seeing these threads spammed daily with the intent of shitposting, we dont even end up discussing cars because newfags just end up parroting whatever the shitposters say.
>inb4 assmad 86 fangirl
I own a Focus

>>17191848
The threads are here to stay, just as the car is.

>>17191792
thank /r/4chan for the steady stream of newfags year after year

>>17191935
>The threads are here to stay
Why does a car trigger you so much a thread needs to be made to express you're autistic hatred for it?

>>17191960
I know this may come as a surprise to you but I have a feeling OP just made this thread because he knew it would get 300 replies.

>>17191960
I don't know, I'm not the one who makes these threads or shitposts in them. I just own an 86 and laugh at the shit people are talking about it.

>>17188306
Engine swaps are cheap. Toyobarus are cheap(ish).

>>17189822
>50 extra horses
>wins by 1.8 seconds

Also comparing a shitty car to another shitty car does not make it a good car.

>>17191993
Isn't it the Miata gearing that gives it an advantage? They're both geared way differently for obvious reasons

>>17191999
The Miata comes on proper performance tires from the factory, the 86 has low grip tires so it's easier to DORIFTOOO.

>>17192009
But the miata gearing helps alot too, isn't the 86 geared higher than it should be for Muh mpg's?

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>>17189893
>No the rear suspension is slightly lower and softer on the BRZ and it has different alignment.
This was only true until 2015. The suspension is identical now

>>17191236
Damn that's edgy. Does your teacher know you are shitposting right now?

>>17188306
>let's increase production costs and weight so we can make benchracers happy

>>17192025
>But the miata gearing helps alot too
I'm not disagreeing, but the main difference is the tires. I put on PSSs and it's noticably faster in every way. 0-60 in 6 seconds is no problem now, as opposed to the "7.6" seconds it's rated as. The guy in the video racing against the Pacifica took a whopping 8.5 seconds to 60, I have to assume he's deliberately driving slow to make the "slower than a minivan" meme real.

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>>17192053
The 7.6 and 8.5 times are for automatic.

The automatic 86 sucks balls

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>>17192053
Mfw he "tried" to drift an automatic 86

>>17190937
t. no arguments

>>17188368
Such a car already exists though.

Unless you REALLY like the look of the GT86 there isn't really any reason to buy it over an old Miata/MX5

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>>17192073
Not everyone wants a 2 seat convertible for a DD.

The RF is worse than the vert in every way aside from asthetics. Mazda should have made it a fixed top coupe

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>>17192059
>The 7.6 and 8.5 times are for automatic.
Even the 6.9 seconds I sometimes see is almost a second slower than what I do on regular roads in a bone stock car with good street tires.

>>17192112
Man, 86's wear the black color very well

5 years on and still causing this much benchracer ass maddery

Based toyabaru

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>>17192123
And then there's red.

>>17192160
White>red

>>17192160
God I hate that fucking toyota look on the 86, BRZ looks so much better.

>>17192174
I'm not a fan of modern mean/angry looking cars, but if I wanted the dumb happy face I would've gotten an NC Miata. Also, that huge black plastic piece above the grill, absolutely disgusting. The foglights are pretty uninspired as well.

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>>17192196
And here's the picture I meant to attach.

>>17191823
>it's been five years
>five years that neither Subaru or Toyota give a fuck about your opinion
>five years that you should just shut the fuck up and find something else already because the 2.0L boxer isn't getting replaced
>five years mad because your only ride is the city bus

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New BRZ > Old 86 > Old BRZ > New 86

>>17192196
I agree with that, except the miata part, at least the refresh looks better.

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>>17192212
I couldn't unironically drive a car like this. Every time I saw the front I'd think to myself "what the fuck is there to smile about you dumb cunt".

>>17192208
The spoiler looks like thin flimsy shitty metal, the front bumper looks worse with the split part on corners,the steering wheel is terrible with those hideous buttons all over. Old BRZ is best

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>>17192238
Yeah but you get those bomb looking brembos and the PP struts are supposed to be pretty fantastic

Not enough for me to trade in my 2014 though

>>17192272
Don't you have to buy a "performance package" well over 30k? For me base 86 is the way to go. I like sporty cloth seats and hate the idea of push button start

>>17192282
>hate the idea of push button start
Being able to keep your key in your pocket while driving has spoiled me for other cars, it's so comfy.

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>>17192282
People are getting the BRZ with PP for 28k, well under invoice.

The 86 is literally the worst value right now. It is more expensive than the base BRZ and doesn't come with a rear spoilers or underbody aerodynamic panels like the BRZ does.

There is no reason for anyone to buy the 86 over the BRZ unless you like the looks

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>>17190543
>assumes so fucking much in one post

>>17192424
Feel free to point out all those assumptions.

>pick up 86 for 10k bonglish dollars
>swap in a new engine

whoa so difficult and expensive D:

>>17192069
All you did was disagree with me. Quality retort gets a quality reply.

>>17192112
>The RF is worse than the vert in every way aside from asthetics.
What about:
Rigidity
Less buffeting
Quieter cabin
Better weather protection

>>17192073
>there isn't really any reason to buy it over an old Miata/MX5
Hardtop
4 seater
Not everyone is a lonely /o/tist.

>>17189468
>read "ugly as shit grill"
>immediately assume he was talking about a Lexus

don't even try to compare any car to a Lexus grill. Lexus is objectively the worst out of any car.

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>>17196530
>Lexus grill
How about LFA rear grills?

>>17188487
>Daily reminder that the 86 has the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can currently get in car.
No, the 2015 Honda civic si engine is. 2.4l 210hp and way more torque

Meh

Looking at FD Miatas now.

400+lbs lighter, and those sky active motors are putting out more than the claimed 155hp for sure. Better looking too.

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>>17188306
they did make one version with 300 hp

>>17190296
I think it might be the Ford Modular

>>17196409
The rear seats are almost a living meme, although I did stick one adult across both of them the other day. And having a real roof meant I could strap about 3x as much as it in the trunk on top for transport.

Still think I'd rather have a miat except for those odd moments I need a utility car.

>>17196409
>4 seats
I would like to see someone try fit four people in
it can take three at the most
and still has no room for anyone's feet

>>17188306
More power masks a shitty driver

>>17196705
Hey now it's entirely comfortable as a two-seater, even for tall/fat Americans.

>>17196673
Great, now produce it and sell it for under $34,000 USD

>>17190296
Is the aluminator XS
Basically a coyote hopped up to ~500hp with a ~8000rpm redline

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>mfw Toyota could have spent ~$2 million to make a remake of Initial D season one featuring their meme car
>mfw could have sold tens of thousands of extra cars to weebs of all stripes in many countries
>mfw instead doesnt do this and makes their meme car less practical than the original 86 hatch to boot

Why dont these idiots understand how to meme sales in 201X

>>17188306
Lets ignore the low power for a minute.

Why is it not a liftback?

Its supposed to be a poorfag sportscar. Why not give it more utility by being liftback. It wont change the peformance and the looks would only be affect very limited.

>>17196861
Subaru seems to have a real knack for strange compromises. There are a number of things they could have done to place it more firmly in the grocery getter category.

But all of them would take away from the part-time track whore appeal. And you can't quite place your finger on why not both.

>>17196710
its pretty comfy up front
back seats are just used as parcel tray most of the time
>>17196747
all they had to do was make minor changes to an ej20t then gimp it on the ecu to pass modern emissions

>>17188600
I've driven a coworker's BRZ and my only complaint for the mmm oney is it is a bit short on power and if it had 260+ UP I'd like the first four years stretched out a smidge to suit. Otherwise I think it's a solid rig

>>17189456
Inducing LOATHE thechurch action in every modern z and i just can't trust Nissan engines

>>17197086
But it is a "modern day liftback coupe".

>>17196595
>210
You mean 205 to the front wheels, give me a break