>Tesla, by the same calculation, is in a whole different

GOTTA SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY


in regaurds to bugatti:


"We did our homework in every dimension," says Dürheimer. "This car over its lifetime, with 500 cars and a base price of € 2.4 million, is adding into the bottom line result of Bugatti and we are making money with this project."

This is a big change from the Veyron, Bugatti's prior car — some estimates have pegged the company to a $4 million to $6 million loss on each one sold

>>17156335
Bugatti made a promotional thing with the veyron, as a showcase for their technology, while Tesla is losing money since forever.

Why are people investing in this bullshit of a company and their fake Jesus CEO?

>>17156316
GOTTA GET DAT GOVERNMENT SUBSIDY BOY!!!!!!

LET'S JUST FLEECE THOSE TAXPAYERS!!!! LOL!!!! THEY'LL BUY ANY BULLSHIT WE TELL THEM!!!

DON'T WORRY GOYS!!! PROFITABILITY IS RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER!!!! LOL!!!! WE'RE JUST 10 YEARS AWAY!!!!

LOL!!!!

OH UM SOMETHING SOMETHING ENVIRONMENT SCHMIRONMENT!!!!

>>17156354
So who cares if a bunch of rich elite lose money on Tesla then
Which they probably won't

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>companies make every decision based around profits
>/o/ hates them

>company makes decisions with total disregard for profit, citing a higher purpose for their existence
>sells vehicles at a loss yet still persists
>/o/ hates them also

>>17156354
>fake jesus ceo
agreed, but that's not really his fault, he's constantly trying to get people to credit his teams instead of him but the fanboys keep screaming

>while Tesla is losing money since forever
however this is a necessary business decisions, EVs work best at an economy of scale so musk is trying to get to scale as fast as possible using whatever means, the model S being a nice drivetrain showcase that has sex appeal

>>17156316
>>17156335
So they're going to make money selling batteries to people when they shit out in 5 years?

>>17156454
I think musk is such an investment genius he's making money hand-over-fist regardless of what his own company does, because he's got stock in others and knows what he's doing. Probably covering the losses out of his own pocket.

>>17156316
>Remind me why are you supporting them
I make fun of them and the people that are falling for Californian marketing.

>>17156316
I'm not, can't wait for them to go tits up.

>>17156316
>investors are worth more than customers

>>17156468
>>17156465
>>17156401

Man, you people really hate anything different don't you?

I hope Tesla makes enough money to literally claim Mars in the name of Musk and gasses this whole fucking planet to kill off the retards like you.

Whatever kind of dystopia it would be would still be better than breathing the same air as a bunch of troglodytes.

>>17156464
He's just a rich technocrat. He'll take the massive losses just to make it happen at all. Once a large enough electric car market is up and running he'll put Tesla production out to pasture and simply service existing vehicles and manufacture spare parts.

>>17156477
I like electric cars. Elon Musk is a megalomaniac elitist prick who wants to see private ownership of vehicles phased out.

You are ignorant blind sheep to support Tesla and you will get what you deserve if it suceeds.

>>17156477
be an angsty teen somewhere else and stop skipping your physics classes.

>>17156477
lol. You dumb bastard. Go suck Elon's cock.

The whole Silicon Valley tech culture bullshit is the biggest House of Cards in the history of the planet. They literally learned nothing from the first bubble. Instead, these fucking coked out, hookered up, wannabe frat bros doubled down on their insanity. And now they're destroying this country from their stupid ass hole on the other side of their Rockies wall. God damn it, you faggots piss me off.

It's a meme company just takin' more and more of your taxpayer dollars. It's a joke and you should kys. Unironically, kys. Do it quick.

Fuck off.

>>17156532
jealous wageslave detected
sorry your liberal arts degree didn't pan out, cleetus

>>17156539
>Tesla fanboy accuses others of being liberal arts idiots
my fucking sides

personally I'm still waiting for the super battery he promised 5 years ago.

>>17156441
If tesla was making the cars /o/ wanted (cheap, simple, light, RWD, turbo 4/v8) we'd all be behind them twice as strong as current tesla fanboys.

>>17156539
hahahahahaha
>wageslave
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>liberal arts
hahahahahahahahah
>cleetus
hahahahahahahaha what? now you're not even making sense.

You dumb bastard. "hurr durr cletus is a wageslave! not me! i work for a big company saving the world and I'm in STEM!" hahahahahahaha

I can't wait until you dumb fucks lose everything again and start jumping off buildings and bridges again. kys faggot.

>>17156558
>If tesla was making the cars /o/ wanted (cheap, simple, light, RWD, turbo 4/v8) we'd all be behind them twice as strong as current tesla fanboys.
I'd be behind Tesla 100% if they were a real company doing real business expanding based on actual profit and demand. You know, like real, actually successful businesses throughout the entire history of the world.

>>17156559
if he's in STEM and believes that a battery powering its own transport is a great idea he'll probably end up at McDonald's anyway.

>>17156354
Tesla is showcasing their technology too you fucking idiot.

>>17156401
Both Chrysler and GM cost the taxpayers tens of billions of dollars each and haven't done anything relevant or useful.

>>17156722
>Tesla Model S, it's limited to a top speed of 155 mph

>>17156464
>>17156488
His goal right now is to produce a shitload of batteries here in the US at net zero emissions and drive down the cost, eventually selling to other companies so they can cheaply make hybrids or better electric cars.

Tesla isn't a car company, its a battery company. Only idiots think otherwise. Look at the Gigafactory and what their industrial division is doing.

>>17156704
>(((their))) technology

The first produced and totally functional electric car has more than 100 years, friendo

>>17156574
>amazon is going to fail because they aren't clamoring for short term profits

You sound like my idiot uncle a decade ago.

>>17156737
>what is race track
lap times shit anyways since suspension is fucking trash tier

besides it would make way faster quarter mile/half mile runs with higher top speed or even a fucking transmission lol

>>17156736
And a model T is exactly the same as a veyron, isn't it? After all, ICEs have been around just as long so Bugatti isn't even doing anything.

Literally no difference xddd

>>17156316
because I'm not an investor and don't give a fuck if they lose money selling me a car?

>>17156747
engines have improved greatly in 40 years. batteries have not. and they never will improve drastically. but you're probably 14 so how could you know this.

>>17156722
the fact that you see no issues with electric cars just proves that there are a lot of issues. the dumbest trip on /o/ strikes again.

>>17156768
>batteries haven't improved in 40 years

Ahh yes, I'm sitting here with 7 suitcase sized nickel-irons in my phone that last 5 minutes because its still 1975 and nothing has advanced.

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>>17156768
>batteries have not

>>17156764
You won't lose money but you'll be treathed like a beta tester, not losing money but perhaps your life.

>>17156809
last significant battery innovations were:
Lipo in 1991
and LiFePO4 in 1996
and stilll the're prohibitly expensive to use in cars

and then compare a fucking engine in your average shitbox made in 1991 and 2016

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>>17156793

>>17156768
Jesus fuck, LITERALLY KILL YOURSELF.

>>17156905
reddit

>>17156839
>but perhaps your life
lol. the way some people drive on here, they'll die before me

>>17156892
Neither are suitable to use in cars because they have much lower energy density than Li-ion. But the main problem for EVs isn't really battery tech at this point, it's charging times and infrastructure. Both need to improve drastically, as the convenience of quick fuel ups (not to mention the ability to easily have a personal fuel store) is a big factor in making ICE more desirable for more people at present. That's why more traditional automakers are betting on hydrogen, as the fossil fuel industry is willing to build infrastructure for that.

>>17156707
This. If there were any floundering America company I'd want my tax money going towards it'd be the one that successfully made EVs appealing to the common man.

>>17157317
Then perhaps the fucking automakers should actually make some fucking hydrogen cars and call up the fossil fuel industry and say "start building your infrastructure", but they aren't.

>>17156477
Here is the average tesla fanboy

Reactionary and irrational beyond fault. Anyone who hates his favorite company is a luddite and a staunch conservative who is aptly described as "living in a cave".

And like, dude mars lmao, let's live on mars, it's a wise investment of time and resources when we have yet to colonize OVER SEVENTY PERCENT OF THE PLANET'S SURFACE AREA AND GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH AVAILABLE SUBTERRANEAN REAL ESTATE and THE VAST MAJORITY OF HUMAN BEINGS ARE LIVING IN BASIC BITCH BOXES THAT CAN HARDLY STAND UP TO THE SEVERE WEATHER WE SNATCHED OUT OF THE DISTANT FUTURE OF THIS PLANET WITH THE MAGIC OF COW FARTS. Dude mars, it's so kewl, i want to live in a sci fi book, tesla please give me touchscreen everything and bland plastic/nylon interiors like the bridge of the enterprise to complete the effect, dude i like star trek lmao.

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you know, if the interior didn't look like this and the car didn't phone home and brick itself if you even changed the logo in the infotainment system /o/ might actually like tesla

>>17158202
They are, though. It's starting in SoCal. The fossil fuel industry has a giant boner for it, because it's possible to produce hydrogen directly from hydrocarbon deposits, which could be very profitable.

starting a new car company from nothing is incredibly capital intensive. especially when you are taking a radical departure from existing industry standards and practices.

Tesla is fine burning every nickle they get and staying in debt. So long as they keep selling cars and other products.

>muh subsidies
the oil industry is heavily subsidized or even state owned, through out the world.

>>17158234
Unironically upvoted

>>17158234
Normal person
>hmm, the Tesla doesn't appeal to me, I'm not going to buy one

Autistic shitlord
>ahh I HATE people that like this car, IDIOTS. They are so stupid! I need to let this anime imageboard know that I don't like this brand OR the people that like the brand. When these people talk they say "DUURRRR I AM SO DUMB I LIKE TESLA." See, that proves that they are stupid and I am smart

If you aren't in the market for an $80k luxury sedan Tesla doesn't concern you, run along and worry about your hand me down Saturn.

>>17158339
I'm not shitting on the car, I'm shitting on the internet fanboys and their tendency to shit on literally anyone who doesn't love tesla in particular.

But now that you mention it, it's not a fucking luxury sedan.

And since you mentioned sperging, you can act however you want on the internet even if you act normal in real life. A sperglord is someone who can't control themselves in face to face interactions or anywhere where they have an identity to trash. I know this is 4chan where autism means ur dumb, but there is a difference that I think gets lost in actual autists inability to see the difference between posting on 4chan and yelling at their mom.

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>>17158234
>>17158256
this
fuck that interior

>>17158355
>I got upset in a youtube comments section, now I am going to crusade against these people that said I was wrong everywhere on the internet!
Sounds like you are an absolute loser if thats what you spend your free time doing.
>it's not a fucking luxury sedan.
Wrong, dumb
>rest of your post
An autist like you doesn't have the perspective or self reflection to realize they are being obsessive over a perceived group of people that like something on the internet

>>17158357
ok, grandpa.

>>17158357
That's why Tesla hired the guy behind the new Volvo interiors to unfuck their shit.

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>>17156502
>megalomaniac elitist prick

To quote Cramer:

If you like Tesla, buy one. Stay away from the stock

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>>17156768

>>17156768
This has to be bait
R-Right guys?

>>17158451
I bet a waifu edition Tesla would be fucking awesome

>>17156768
Batteries have improved tremendously, it's only recently where they're starting to level off since all the low hanging fruit is gone, and battery lifetime has been offset by all the extra features carmakers keep putting in. It's why your iphone doesn't last as long as your nokia; it's not because the battery is worse...

>>17156722
>cheaper to run
Depends on repair costs, that battery pack isnt cheap.
>Doesnt rely on fossil fuels
yes they do

Oh and 3 consecutive 0-60 pulls sends the car into overheat mode.

Electric cars are cool, they arent replacing ICE any time soon?

>>17156768
This dude is right

>>17156800
>>17156809
>>17156944
>>17158498
>>17158508
Batteries have not improved in design, truely the progress made has been in materiel science . The quality of materiel that batteries and electrical components are made of increase efficiency greatly.

The designs are basically the same.

>>17158761
You know you are getting solid engineering advice when the poster can't spell the word "material"

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>>17158789

>>17158789
go back to le plebbit fag.

Unless you have a counter argument, which im sure you dont.

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>>17158796
You have no argument, the post as a whole is not worth addressing, other than the comical fact that you are also illiterate while trying to speak way above your knowledge level. Even if you completely take cells themselves out of the equation just the monitoring and balancing ability of packs in electric cars wasn't even a consideration 40 years ago.

>>17158809
Those are electronic improvements, not electrical improvements retard.

The physical construction of batteries hasnt changes in a century.

Energy density has hardly improved at all in that time as well, lithium Ion batteries are as good as it gets, or 200 miles and a 30 minute charge time.

where exactly do you land on your chart redditor?

>>17158809
>implying I am >>17158761
nice meme friendo

>>17158842
>Those are electronic improvements, not electrical improvements
Do you think that means anything? Electric cars are not powered by a single cell, they are powered by a pack with a lot going on inside. Your "argument" is like saying engines haven't improved since the advent of the aluminum engine block. You aren't educated enough to speak on this subject to a degree that you don't understand why your posts are wrong, yet you will keep going in an attempt to save face. Here's a good starting point to self awareness -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>17158866
>yer dum
So youve got nothing to add?

>>17158866
you dont deserve double dubs retard.

>>17158876
Do I need to add something beyond showing that you are both illiterate and clueless about the subject you are attempting to address? I think I covered all the bases.

>>17158881
>>17158876
So no?

>>17158761
>>17156768
There is improved battery tech that researchers in labs have come up with, but it requires vastly different manufacturing processes and no battery maker wants to drop the initial cash for that switch when they can keep fleecing idiots for the same old shit we have now.

>>17158866
>a single cell
batteries are made up of multiple cells.

teslas battery banks are just that, battery banks .

>>17158919
Tesla is dropping the initial cash on the gigafactory, if this technology actually existed why wouldnt tesla be using it right now?

I mean theyre already losing money hand over fist, why not do it on something that would actually make their cars viable?

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>lost money on every single one of the 500 sold
>still the most badass car from Japan to date

>>17158953
The initial investment required for new manufacturing processes means paying engineers to develop the brand new never-seen-before industrial machines that the battery factories will use. They can't use anything that exists on this earth right now. They'd have to build not just a factory, but also invent every machine in the factory, none of which have even been conceptualized yet.

>>17158966
So its vaporware then?

If it were really that good, then it would be on the fast track to completion.

Hand held electronic devices, electric vehicles, power grid storage, and military applications would all benefit from higher density electricity storage.

>>17156421

>elite
>investing in the stock market

Get real, anon

>>17158866

I wish you weren't a trip fag so that I could agree with you

>>17158959
i wonder if one day someone will make a drift/track car from one of these

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>>17156316
They're more efficient than ICE.

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>>17159076
Ahhhh yes. Complete with a V8 TRD NASCAR engine swap for 1000hp.

https://youtu.be/qU94h9tPAPM

>>17158761
>durr modern batteries are exactly the same as ones made in the 70s while engines are somehow radically different

Samefag

>>17158842
>the physical construction of batteries hasn't changed in a century
I'm actually impressed someone can say something that stupid that isn't trolling

>>17160124
lol whatever you say my man

> ICE and Electrical systems mature in tandem

consider suicide

>>17160140
>changing the argument completely to save face after being proven wrong
>Guise batteries r the same as they always have been but ICE is magic and radically changing
>nickel iron 40 lb blocks are the same as LiPo
>I'm wrong but kill itself

Either you are completely fucking retarded or I am being baited hard.

>>17160137
They have the exact same architecture as the first batteries.

Energy density hasnt improved since the 70s

> ur dumb
k
>>17160178
Guess what, Lead acid batteries work exactly the same as Lithium Ion batteries. Lithium just weighs less.
>proven wrong
lol how, how have batteries changed significantly since 1859?

>save face
put ur trip back on fag

>>17160027
>more efficient

Who the fuck cares, unless you're a fucking poorfag that can't afford the costs of owning a car like gas and maintenance. Take public transportation then if you wanna cry about efficiency.

Things you can't do in an EV
>shift manually
>do your own maintenance
>have analog anything
>enjoy the sound
>regain range quickly
>have ubiquitous places to regain range

>>17156316

But OP, it means you're getting 15000 dollars worth of stuff for free... Are you retarded?

>operating at a """loss"""
Seriously?

Tax evasion 101.

Everyone I know who has spent a reasonable amount of time in or around teslas has shown interest in getting one in the future.

It's just those that have only read about them that don't have any desire to own one, from my experience


Once the model Q or whatever comes out I'll probably pick one up. I was never a car guy I guess, so the whole no engine sound no modifications no stick shifting never was a problem to me. I can understand how they go against the values of some car fans though

>>17160261
This. Tesla has been assessed by several notable analysts are being a well-executed Ponzi scheme.

How are you all so fucking stupid? The labor and parts that go into making a tesla gives them a ~25% profit margin. The company is loosing money as a whole because, guess what, THEY ARE BUILDING FACTORIES.

Amazon was unprofitable for 15+ years before they decided they had built the infrastructure needed to active the prime.

Fucking pick a real reason to dislike them.

>>17160293
How about getting an insane amount of subsidies for such a small company?

>>17160303
They payed them back in advance with interest. Taxpayers won, for once

>>17160293
Tesla ≠ Amazon.

Model 3 will destroy Tesla, mark my words. Superchargers will be constantly at capacity. Service centers will have a year-long waiting list. Parts will be unavailable for a car that will have a crap ton of initial problems. People will ditch their Model 3s.

Other reasons to dislike Tesla
>their owners / fanbase
>environmentalism
>spreading themselves thin with cars and personal --> utility scale solar / energy storage
>shit build quality
>autonomous vehicle research
>hiring foreigners
>lofty goals and deadlines that are almost always never achieved, much less on time
>Elon Musk
>refusal to allow unionization in their work places

>>17160347
>Superchargers will be constantly at capacity
Thats not a problem anymore since people now have to pay to use the supercharges and get fined if they stay parked at one after they are finished charging.

>Service centers will have a year-long waiting list
the waiting problems you hear about now are caused by needing replacement body parts, which can only come from one factory. They are in the process of building out body shops that will be able to stamp the needed parts locally.

Other reasons to dislike Tesla
>their owners / fanbase
Because thats Tesla's fault
>environmentalism
???
>spreading themselves thin with cars and personal --> utility scale solar / energy storage
You dont like them because they do things besides sell cars?
>shit build quality
???
>autonomous vehicle research
???
>hiring foreigners
Its a fucking tech company guy. Everyone hires the a pajeet
>lofty goals and deadlines that are almost always never achieved, much less on time
Last few deadlines have been ontime. Model 3 deadline is looking to be ontime.
>Elon Musk
???
>refusal to allow unionization in their work places
You think unions are good...?

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Things to like about Tesla:

>Made is the US of A
>Paid back Subsidies
>Renewed General Interest in Gas-Alternative Vehicles (even Diesel saw a renewed interest)
>Actually challenged and won against the Delearship Mafia Monopoly
>Made a Fast Electric Car First

Have you ever walked into a store to buy a car and none of the sales people jumped into your skin to sell?

Reasons I Personally Dislike Tesla:
While I think self-driving cars would be fucking wonderful for 9000% of the US population, I'd be concerned that the Insurance incentives to go self-driving over traditional would be painful. Although that wouldn't be for at least a decade or more.

>>17160390
>environmentalism
>???
Battery Production is extremely bad for the environment, but still not as destructive as Hybrid Manufacturing, at least from what I understand.

>>17160398
>Battery Production is extremely bad for the environment,
Know whats so bad for the environment that the world is literally trying to kill us all? ICE cars.

>>17160390

>Supercharger woes being a nonissue because of pay to charge and fines
Does not negate the fact that Tesla intends to balloon the amount of Tesla's on the road and charging within the next 2-3 years.

>Tesla's own body shops making needed parts on demand locally
Citation needed. Even Tesla fan sites are saying this effort just covers the existing lack of people who know how to work with Tesla's.

>You don't like them because they do things besides sell cars
No, its because they're spreading themselves thin. Tesla wants to:

- build 500,000 cars / year in CY 2018 (they haven't had half of that amount lifetime sales)
- support and maintain those cars without independent entities while their current service center network is bursting at the seams
- be at the forefront of autonomous vehicle research and implementation
- begin building 3-4 additional gigafactories likely before 2020
- introduce at minimum 5 additional product lines (Model Y CUV, pickup truck, semi, roadster, minibus)
- build home and utility solar and utility solutions

Good fucking luck

>>17160390
>environmentalism
>???
In the mind of Republicans, if you don't pollute, you hate America and the liberals win.

>>17160475
Do you also dislike Google for being in too many industries at once?

I'm really not getting this argument.

>>17160495
Google has lots of money reserves and products and services right now that are generating boatloads of money. Tesla, not so much.

>>17160227
Look, I'll give you the city car thing, they are confined to the place where 99% of cars spend 99% of their time, but still...

Things you can't do in any modern shitbox
>shift manually
>do your own maintenance
>have analogue anything
>enjoy the sound

>>17160227
>shift manually
There's no reason to, when all of the torque is available all the time
It's like complaining that cars don't have a whip like horse carriages used to

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>>17160495
His point is that Tesla is trying to scale and diversify far too quickly, using capital investment to finance anticipated future losses. Which means that once the actual loss is sustained on the balance sheet, they'll need another injection of capital to actually cover it, and they need to do it in such a way that some investors make money, so that they can continue attracting new investors. Right now, that's selling stock at wildly inflated prices. That's why some people think they resemble a Ponzi scheme. Personally, I don't see the intent to defraud. Rather, I see a ridiculously overambitious industrial moonshot. Who knows, maybe it'll work. Stranger things have happened.

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>>17160408
Did you make this website:

http://www.electric-cars-are-for-girls.com/electric-powered-cars.html

>>17160492
>Be Shitty France
>Have Nuclear Power Ichiban
>Starts to reduce plants because ???

>>17160576
I have doubts, but I can't believe Space X happened/is continuing to happen. So many major government contractors BTFO'd by the Paypal guy.

>>17160531
nigga the higher the speed the lower the torque output.

>>17160642
Like a Porsche? Gross. Get out of here. Scram.

>>17156316
Tesla are playing the long game. If they can get the first autonomous trucks out they'll be set to take control of the entire trucking industry in a few years.

Only California could produce a company as stupid as Tesla. The very idea that I can't do simple maintenance on my car or have to go to the dealership for any issues, is fucking dumb.

>>17161123
Electric cars need much less maintenance,
and there's no reason you couldn't replace the few remaining parts yourself.

>>17156316
It's why they puled a Ponzi with the fake Model 3 preorder BS.

>>17160027
Not if you include the charging efficacy chain. Not by a long chalk.

>>17160810

This. It will also decimate the already crippled American middle class.

>>17156559
t. busrider

>>17160398
>Actually challenged and won against the Delearship Mafia Monopoly

explain ?

>>17156722
That 2.2 sec 0-60 is actually a 2.28 and doesn't include the first foot rollout. If you measure that way a dodge demon has a 2.1 sec 0-60. A Chiron does 2.3 under those parameters.

Tesla's new 2170 batteries store 100% more energy at only 50% more volume.

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>Elon Musk

>>17156532
>muh taxpayer dollars
You realize the other US automobiles are welfare queens on a whole other level right?

>>17156316
>Its per-vehicle profit comes in at minus-$15,855.

It actually makes profit. You are forgetting how corporations do clever accounting tricks to get rid of profit for tax purposes or to prevent payouts to investors. Elon Musk is a billionaire with lots of cash because HIS PERSONAL PROFIT is calculated as one of the business expenses of making each Tesla car.

This also illustrates why individual investors must be wary of investing in things. Especially in chinese companies that only issue profits during the enticement period and then profits suddenly dry up because after the stream of new investors joining dries up, it is time to rape out the profits before abandoning and making a new company to do the same.

>>17161546
>Having to compare a 2-door sports car to a 4-door luxury sedan

>>17160027
nothing is more efficient overall than retrofitting a shitbox with an electric drivetrain

tesla is destroying the environment to preserve it just long enough to destroy it harder

>>17161997
>muh doors

this is why the car industry sucks

>too many doors can't be fast unless it costs $400 million
>only two doors? it can be fast for $40k!

>>17161546
It's a four door family sedan...

>>17162007
>Having to compare a sports car to a luxury sedan
Happy now?

>>17162008
Yes, and it's very long and heavy because of that and gets garbage track times if it can even complete one lap.

People drag race minivans. Coupes are coupes so they can have shorter wheelbases and better weight distribution.

>>17162017
Yeah that's true. A Tesla would never satisfy my needs since my commute involves 2 laps on a full size track at full power.

>>17160519
At least I'm the tesla shitbox it's quiet enough to enjoy your Eurobeat and you're not paying cash to a bunch of Saudis

>>17156316
>performances drops as you drive
If i wanted that I would have got a Z06.

Why hasn't Tesla added pressure sensitive sensors instead of pedals?

>>17156741

That isn't what he is talking about. He is likely referencing the fact that Elon's success in several of his ventures is attributable to government support. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to sell a Tesla without the $7,500 tax credit. Imagine how much different SolarCity would look if they didn't get half a billion from the government.

Elon is a meme.

>>17156477
>>17156707
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but GM
>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but "progress"

Two wrongs don't make a right. A previous crime against the taxpayer doesn't excuse this one.

>>17160622
>BTFO
I don't see how you musk fanboys think spaceX's standing on the shoulders of giants makes them superior to the rocket builders of the past. They wouldn't be able to do what they're doing if not for the research and expenditure of dozens of other companies before them over many decades during the space race.

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>>17162070
>he thinks that the fossil fuel industry doesn't profit from teslas

>>17161556
>Tesla's
Panasonic's.

>>17161556
I'd like to see a source on this that isn't a tesla fanboy mainstream media fluff piece. i.e. independent testing and not empty hype and advertising.

>>17158976
It is that good, but so far the only way to manufacture it is by hand in a lab. That's why nobody's biting. That's what I mean when I say they'd have to invent the machines that build the stuff.

>>17158919
Wrong. Fucking conspirtard. Learn about research and production before spouting off.

Whoever can make the next big thing in batteries economically will make BILLIONS. The reason the pie-in-the-sky research reports you see have amounted to nothing so far is that they can't make the shit work outside of a laboratory setting. Thinks like graphene are nowhere near commercial production, and it has nothing to do with some evil conspiracy to "fleece idiots" with "old technology" you complete imbecile. When researchers figure out a process to make their lab "batteries" actual batteries we'll be a step closer, when there is an actual production method we'll be another step closer, when the production method (there isn't one now, just lab procedure for making a demonstration piece) is close to being economical you'll see some company foot the enormous bill for making a production facility and subsequently reaping the reward of being the sole producer of a revolutionary technology.

>>17164230
>it has nothing to do with some evil conspiracy to "fleece idiots" with "old technology"

kind of does tho.

>>17164230
That's exactly what I explained in my following posts you shitstain.

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Fact: internal combustion technology will never progress past the Model T because the energy density of gasoline will never change. Cars will always make 20 horsepower and get 20mpg

>>17156905
Nice strawman

>>17160576
i like the way you put that anon

>>17164515
retard

>>17161123
Lol nigger what maintenance? You've got brakes, wheels, and washer fluid? Outside of those unless you're an EE there's no reason to fuck with it yourself.

>>17164066
Batteries aren't exactly hard to test and prove. Got a resistor and a graphing oscilloscope? Then you know its capacity.

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>>17158397
Tesla hired one of the engineers, not the head interior designer who is an ex-Bentley guy.

>>17160227
I prefer the sound of an electric car.

>>17160227
Also, I care.

>>17158256
I love the interior of the Model S.

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<3 Tesla

>>17164635
Get the fuck out of here retard.

At the absolute 100 percent efficiency a Lithium Ion battery is not energy dense enough to make it comparable to ICE.

Kys.

>>17165687
Please don't be mean.

>>17161556
Volume isnt really the problem senpai, its weight.

>>17156768
they've both improved dipshit, don't make generalizations
theres just no way to monetize it like combustion, its not ready and the amout of materials it will to take to do that dont exist

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>>17156737
>anything above 120mph relevant
>I'm a car enthusiast in a cucked country with speed limits on the freeways
You can't make this shit up.

>>17156768
internal combustion engine thermal efficiency is like 30%.

electric motors are 90%

various power plants start at 40%(coal) and go up from there.

>>17165977
So at 100% efficiency an electric car cant keep up with an ICE operating at 30% efficiency?

Got it.

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>>17156316
Do Telsas require any sort of internet/gps connection to get around?

If the shit hits the fan and a friendly neighborhood comet storm wipes out all the satellites, will anyone in a Tesla be a sitting duck?

>>17165976
>be German
>get an aftermarket valve cap cover
>have to spend $1200 to get it certified as road legal by the TUV
b.bbut I could drive really fast on a few freeways sometimes if I didn't have a 1 liter diesel and there wasn't traffic!

>>17166021
Strict regulations and harder driving tests is why Germany has less than half as many traffic-related deaths per capita per year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

>>17166048
>it's actually great the government tells me what I can and can't do with my 90hp diesel Golf! this is what real freedom is like! This way I can get to my low paying job at the factory safely to support my neighbor Akbar Jahim Salaam!
Could Germany be more cucked? I really don't think so.

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>>17165680
I cant get over how stupid that car looks. They don't have an engine in the front so they thought they would make the cabin huge to make it seem bigger. It ended up looking fucking stupid. The proportions are way off.

I especially hate the designer who decided to just take the section of a circle and put it on a rectangle with some contours. Two circle chaped arches that go across the top look so bad and make the giant cabin on this thing look all the more rediculous.

That's not how you design cars.

Look at the Fiesta for example. Much better job of making a lot of space in a little package.

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>>17166068
Stay mad while I cruise comfortably at 210 km/h on over 50% of the Autobahn with my 68 kW Golf :^)
>still measuring power in horses

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>>17166087
Is English your first language???

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>>17156905
What?

>>17166087
They need tons of space for batteries and for the shit that keeps all the batteries from spontaneously exploding in a crash. Not that the 3 will make it to market in any quantity before the company implodes.

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Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkVouc84MRg

>>17166090
Tesla can do one thing well and only do it once before needing a recharge. Here are the facts we established in the last thread.
The Model S is slower than a Golf TDi of a 50km commute down the autobahn,
The Model S is slower than a Tata Nano over any 300 mile trip
The Model S is slower than a GT86 if you apply scientific method to the 0-60 time and run the tests 10 times and average the results.
The Model S pollutes more than a Range Rover Sport if you do a full LCA,
The Model S laps the 'ring slower than a Transit van.

>>17166087
The Fiesta has a drag coefficient of .32. The Model S is .24, and Elon Musk is targeting less than .2 for the Model 3. A low drag coefficient is important for range.

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>2 car master race
own 2016 Toyota Corolla Hatch Sport
>going to buy the Model 3
>still better than a hybrid

>>17166394
All those other cars can't be driven without polluting the air.

>>17167033
Boy oh boy you're gonna be real mad when you find out how electricity is generated.

>>17167033
See >>17167048

BURRRRNNNN!

>>17167048
100% nuclear if you live in glorious France
but even coal plants are more efficient in terms of pollution than ICEs

>>17167033
All those electric cars cant be driven without literally raping the earth

>>17165363
>Batteries aren't exactly hard to test and prove. Got a resistor and a graphing oscilloscope? Then you know its capacity.
So give me a tesla battery to test you fucking idiot oh wait that's right you can't get one

>>17167048
The use of solar, air, and other renewable resources to generate power are rising. Electric cars get cleaner to run every year, but gas cars never get cleaner.

>>17167061
I did see that.

>>17167076
Electric cars are cleaner than gas cars.