I don't understand the unwarranted hate for this car. I

slower than a V6 mustang and costs more

>>17148883
gay meme engine

>>17148885
at least it can turn

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>>17148883
>faster than the original 86
>implying being faster than a 30 year old economy car means anything

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>>17148913
It can?

>>17148883
I thought the reason the origional 86 was popular, atleast before Initial D, was because it was really fun to drive despite being slow

>>17148885
I'd still rather have gt86.
Or original 86.

>>17148980
Was it popular before Initial D? I thought whoever wrote the manga chose it because it was a very clear underdog car that any regular person could have.

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>>17148965
Since when can a fucking mustang turn???

>>17148965
Thhe guy felt like he was gonna die. It's not like you can go full speed if you're off the track anyways, so you might as well pick the more fun option

>>17148965
>BRZ on space savers and low roll resistance prius tyres from factory only 0.03-0.05g's behind stangs mag lateral G
>Entire lap this 2 cylinder 0.4l jap econobox only 1.3 seconds behind stang
>on garbage can lids covered with condoms
It can turn amazing.
Put stang on the same wheels and tyres and see what happens.

>muh muh you're not allowed to change tyres or wheels on your own car!!!!!!!

>>17148965
>300 freedom loving HP
>icon of american freedom independence and manlyhood
>beats a econobox with "best of eurobeat" mixtape CD's for wheels by only a second and half

toyobaru punches up so hard it isn't funny

>>17148999
The brz doesn't come with primus tires it comes with summer slicks

The gt86 comes with garbage all seasons primus tires

>>17148999
>>17149011

Probably worth noting that there's a 700 lb difference.

>>17148965
I'm surprised they didn't take a minivan around the track seeing as its faster than a brz

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>>17148883
Faster than a Miata

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>>17149074
And an S2000

Anyone here daily drive a brz? I've been thinking about it.

>>17149077
And the Tesla model S
http://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-around-the-nurburgrin-1600644908

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXuGhEE8t1U

>>17148885
but then you'll have a V6 Mustang... So GT86 it is

>>17149085
I daily a zzw30 fine.
toyobaru should be easier

>>17149074
So
The ae86 performance was similar to the NA miata
And the brz/gt86 performance is similar to the new miata
It all makes sense now

>>17149100
How is the snow?
I plan on getting new winter tires if I do end up getting the brz for when that time comes.

>>17148883
>I don't understand the unwarranted hate for this car.

Basically their parents minivan is marginally quicker in a straight line on a prepared drag strip than an automatic GT86 with 97bhp less than the van.

Ergo the 86/BRZ is shit and we should all be toogay'ing in minivans as they're the superior car.

tl'dr amerikeks missing the point once again

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Daily reminder

>>17148883
Only bench racers hate it.
I'm not even a weeb or a fan of japanese cars and it's a perfectly fine base for a project. No worse than any other car.

>>17149022
Moving those goalposts all ready, Anon?

>>17149109
people daily snap overmeme proffessional race driver murder machines known as "sw20" fine through our -30c 3ft of snow winters.
Just put on PROPER studded winter tyres (get steelies or keep original wheels for winter use and get wider, lighter aftermarket ones for summer)
Practise on parking lots on how to drive and you should be fine.

Everyone dailies their cars no matter fwd, awd, rwd, MR or RR throughout the year. It's always the SUV's, french cuckboxes and shit that crash because the drivers are stupid.
Just practise and get to know your car and you'll be fine.
Only thing that causes accidents is shit driving.
Unless you're Mrcummy in which case random acts of god test your skill

>>17148987
You are a turd

>>17148883
A stock gt86/brz isn't impressive
But it's the jdm tuners (drift)car of the future

>>17149022
v6 stang is going to be in a class above toyobaru in race environment and toyobaru is still competetive outside pro series for stock cars.

I'd say that is really fucking impressive.

>>17149159
I'd say the fact that someone made a lightweight FR car to be tuned the shit out of and purely for hooning with focus on great driving feel is quite impressive.

Also how many car of the year awards it has.

>>17149109
one of the guys from Everyday Driver dailies his up in Utah I believe and he said he gets around in the snow just fine, even made a video about it

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>>17149141
Second daily reminder

4 years and they still haven't fixed that fucking torque Canyon

>>17149085
It's probably really garbage in anything that's more than a light dusting

It's super light and like 2 inches off the ground its every recipe for bad snow handling

I would consider stowing it in the winter instead of driving it

>>17149196
>muh torks

>>17148883
Because it's actually a Subaru with Subaru engine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH6Qf-yDtTU

>>17149216

>defending a shit engine

>>17148883
>its faster than a car that was meant to be slow
86cucks are so good at moving goalposts

>>17149223
It's not even a shit engine. The same engine is used in the wrx and that platform has no torque dips or anything

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>>17148883
WHO WOULD WIN?

>>17149216
>muh fun

>>17149237
The minivan

>>17149196
>honda artificially destroys engine performance below top 10% of rev range
>heralded as greatest invention of mankind, has its own catchphrase, is printed on shirts and memed out of existance
>toyobaru has a 20lb/f torque dip between 3.5 - 4.5k rpm
>a area you cover in first gear faster than you can blink
>a area you aim never to dip to in performance environment
>an area 3.5k revs below redline
>an area even decent gear changes avoid
>a dip you wouldn't propably feel in real life
>worst catastrophie since 9/11
Suck a cock.
You have nothing but minor nitpicks on this great car and you can't handle the fact that everyone loves this car. So you have to hate on it to seem as a "true enthusiast" when in reality you are a benchracer. Because torque dip shows up on paper and all your racing experience is based off the shit you read on internet.

>>17149237
The minivan only won because he cheated, dumbass. Look at the first two seconds of the race

>>17149244
Holy kek that damage control

>>17149244
>actually, legitimately defending a fucking torque dip in her "sports" car
How delusional can 86fags get?

>>17149208
>americans
>can't handle manuals
>can't handle snow

maybe its time to have real driver tests and real liscences for drivers instead of whatever the fuck you have now.

Think of it, you'd get to enjoy nice cars in winters and you could stop complaining about 90% of the drivers since they wouldn't get a liscence.
You might even be able to start using the left lane again

>>17149238
But dagumiiii :DDDDD

>>17149196
>car advertised as having 200hp
>only makes 170

>>17149258
You don't even get snow in your rainy socialist Island of britbongistan

What would you know about living in Buffalo New York under 4 feet of snow every year?

>>17149208
Bullshit. If I can drive an old civic in the snow there's no reason a BRZ can't do it.

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>>17149147
>heh, that mustang can't even turn
>well, its actually punching above its weight because the mustang is above the toyabaru's class anyway

>>17149244
>great car
Holy fuckk

>>17149269
Your old civic is an ff and superior for snow driving because of it

>>17149257
>>17149254
>bunch of busriders thinking they can gauge a car just based off easy numbers and pretty colored pictures on internet

Why don't you try driving it? You might like it?

>>17149275
>n-numbers don't matter!!1
Stay delusional. Your "performance" car cannot perform

>>17149268
I live in north europe, 5ft snow each year minimum.

>>17149275
I drive it in rFactor against the original 86 and I just won

>>17149274
I use all-seasons, so putting winter tires on a BRZ probably closes the gap

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>>17149281
>I live in made up land where I make up how much snow falls
>I drive a car that would get shit on by the emissions tax

>>17149244

>honda artificially destroys engine performance below top 10% of rev range
What? Pic related a Honda civic si

I'm picking up a new 2017 GT86 from the dealer on Monday in automatic and I can't wait

[spoiler]please shit on me I love it[/spoiler]

>>17149258
>Yuropoor
>thinking he has a say in anything
kek

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>>17149273
It is according to everyone with credibility.
And no, anonymous busriding autists on a chinese ramen discussion board don't matter.
>>17149280
Stay delusional, toyobaru is the darling child of the cheap lightweight enthusiast car world next to miata.

No wonder benchracers would hate an enthusiast car. Because they've never driven anything other than their moms SUV.
On the backseat.

Everyone outside of autists on 4chan love it. Deal with it. Should've picked an easier target like mustang or something.

But I guess understand picking on something great instead of something shit. It makes the sour grapes easier to handle.

>>17149304
>burgerfat
>thinking they can say anything after their domestic auto industry shat the bed so many times for creating garbage that they had to enforce a 25 year import ban
>an entire nation which glorifies drag racing and automatics

kek

>>17149306
>next to miata.
>literally admitting her car is worse than a miata
Lmao how dumb can you get

>>17148965
>Implying you can get the performance package on a current v6 mustang.

You're a fucking hipster when you attempt to stratify some difference between enthusiasts who actually tune their cars to go fast and care for their cars performance abilities measured in these forms of benchmarks and "benchracers" who you want to claim is everyone that doesn't agree with you even though theyre the enthusiasts you claim to defend

>>17149306
>200hp
>massive torque dip
>not an easy target

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I mean, I guess if you are going to call the toyota 86 a sports car than the kia forte koup is as much of a sports car.

Kia forte koup: 201 hp 195lb/ft

Toyobaru: 200hp 151 lb/ft

BTFO on paper by a fucking 1.6L kia.

All the buyers remorse FRS/BRZ on craigslist right now, enjoy your 2 door corolla frs fags!

>>17149327
It's not even 200hp its 170

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>>17149196
Daily reminder

>>17149332
Still the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can buy these days

>>17149334
>this other retarded car has a torque Canyon that means its A-OK for another one to have it even though there's no reason to ever want or have one

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>>17149311
>Yuropoor
>thinking they have a say after they tax there vehicles so hard it's near impossible to drive them, plus emissions, plus absolutely no modding allowed or that's another large fine
>an entire nation that glorifies public transportation because they can't even afford cars
kek, when does your bus pass expire anon?

>>17149329
>BTFO on paper

Guys, I found the busrider

>>17149345
Not really, the 2014 civic si used a 2.4l which made 210 and a lot more torque (with no torque Canyon either)

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>>17148965
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>17149345
Are you fucking retarded? Have you ever heard of the Honda S2000?

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>>17149357
It's 2017 m8

>>17149362
Can you send me a link for a new s2k pls??

>>17149457
>It's 2017 m8
The brz has been using the same engine and still has the same awful torque dip since 2012

The 2017 civic si is a 2.0l turbo and I guarantee you that makes a fuck ton more torque and power still

>>17149362
See >>17149077

>>17149478
86 owners are deluded enough to think their their 2 door corolla is faster than an S2000

Now thats a new low.

>>17149360
>false flagging THIS hard

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>>17149474
If I wanted power and torque I wouldn't have bought a brz, or a civic si for that matter

People on here act like the torque dip isn't easy to get rid of. This car was basically made to be modified and people on here still get upset that the lightest rwd coupe you can buy with a Manuel transmission isn't perfect out of the box for 25k

>>17149074
Wow, what an amazing accomplishment

>>17149514
>have to pay another $1000 on new headers right after buying it

Nah, fuck that.

>>17149514
>People on here act like the torque dip isn't easy to get rid of
>having to modify your car just so it's not crippled
Holy fuck how do you people defend this piece of shit?

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>>17149512

>>17149514

>this car was basically made to be modified

Thank you for actually recognizing the point of the GT86.

>we want a light, RWD, sporty car with a manual transmission that we can modify
okay here's a great chassis, an economical engine that's related to an engine that has a massive amount of aftermarket, and a manual transmission
>cool thanks
>why is this engine weak
it's really not, it's got 200hp
>but a Mustang has 420hp
but you asked for a light RWD car with a lot of aftermarket potential
>yeah we did
well here you are
>but why is the engine weak
........

I swear, car enthusiasts can be the dumbest people on the planet.

>>17149543
Seriously dude? Delete this shit

>>17149545
>we want a slow piece of shit
Wow

>>17149545
How much HP do you think you can get out of that engine? I haven't seen more than 450 which makes me think it's better to swap when you need more power

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>>17149539
>>17149531
>Implying any brand new car for 25k doesn't need to be modified in some way or another to make the most of the platforms potential.

There is no perfect driver's car for 25k new.

>>17149555

>slow piece of shit
Thank you for submitting your review, this window will close in 3, 2. 1....

>>17149566

>need more power

You guys are crazy. I'm not even going to address the fact that you said 'need' and instead I'm going to ask if you have ever even driven a car with 400 horsepower. If you're on the highway and just doing 2nd and 3rd gear pulls then anything south of 800hp is going to seem like it needs more power. But when you're actually a road that's worth some spirited driving (read: not many straight bits) a car with 400 horsepower is pretty indiscernible from a car with 300hp (or even 200hp granted you're good at connecting the apexes).

That's the funniest part about this whole shitfest concerning the GT86 powertrain. It's not an AMG that was built to cruise at 130mph all day long, or a GT500 that can nail 10 second passes, it's literally a car that was engineered to only encounter straight roads when it was traveling to and from the touge.

If all of your driving takes place on freeways, then of course the GT86 isn't the sports car for you.

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>>17149583
But there is better.

A new ecoboost mustang is the same price at around 25k new and even 18k for a lightly used one, and 4 seconds quicker lap time at willow. Mustang takes 87 secs frs takes 91.

And it does 0-60 in 5.2 while a toyobaru takes 6.5 secs on average kinda sad figure. And the turbo 4 on the stang is easily and cheaply tunable while an N/A engine takes thousands of dollars to get like 50 more horsepower.

If you don't mind the extra weight, the mustang 4 pot is a faster and more comfy DD.

>>17149645
> if you have ever even driven a car with 400 horsepower.
You give 86 fans a bad name. Yes, there are vehicles out there with more than 400 fucking horsepower. Not everyone drives a civic. Jesus.

"Muh touge" doesn't mean you can't make the car faster if you want to. Like you said, it's a platform for modifying, like a poor man's Supra.

>>17149657

>posting 0-60 times when talking about better sporty cars

It's like 2010 all over again.

You're talking about driving experiences between a car that weights 2800lbs and one that weighs 3400. Unless you enjoy dusting Civics off the line, there's no point in buying a Mustang.

>>17149657
literally everyone drives a mustang
it's the new midlife crisismobile

>>17149545
Toyota pisses on modders by doing shit like encrypting ECUs. Toyota does not support modders in any way shape or form. It's intelectually dishonest to say the 86 was designed or intended to be modded.

>>17149672

I was more addressing the 'it can't be a good sporty car unless it has 400hp' mentality that's prevalent on this board.

>>17149691
Yeah that's obviously not true, but if (when) I get one I plan on slowly upgrading everything

>>17148883
poor autists and bench racers just being mad they can't afford a sporty new FR

>>17149684
I posted lap times to, 87 secs on willow for stang while the toyobaru is 4 secs slower at 91 secs. If you care so much about
>muh weight
>muh drving dynamics

Then get the slow ass toyobaru, or miata. If you want a faster and comfy DD then the choice is easy.

>>17149686
>Being this insecure
Who gives a shit who else drives it. Its faster, more comfy, has generous tuning capabilities and you wont get beat by minivans. Do you need validation from other dudebros on your car, give me a break.

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>>17149657
>But there is better.
Sure, if lap times are a priority for you.

Again, if I wanted cheap power I obviously wouldn't have bought the 86. The ecoboost is almost 1000lbs heavier, and considerably bigger. Totally different experience.

You say a ecoboost is 25k, but that's not including the performance package right?

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>>17149719
>Then get the slow ass toyobaru, or miata. If you want a faster and comfy DD then the choice is easy.


Yeah, the v6 Camaro 1le. Better than the memeboost in every way

>>17148885
$1000 isn't a lot though

>>17149688
underrated post.
>it's a modders car
>can't mod it at all
I personally like toyobaru but it isn't meant for modding

>>17149719

>lap times

Get back to me when everyone on /o/ can drive half as well as those guys.

Willow springs is a terrible indicator of performance anyways. It's a small track that caters to big motors and lots of tire, which is why the Corvette always does so well.

>>17149011
>>icon of american freedom independence and manlyhood
>V6

no, the v6 is for high school girls and people that don't care about cars but want something that looks cool

>>17148965
How will they ever recover?

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>>17149748
>>can't mod it at all
Really?

>>17149754
Denying 4 sec faster laptimes and 0-60 times over 1 sec slower than a 4 cylinder pony.

Are toyobaru owners this deep in denial over their 2 door corolla? You guys are like the flat earthers of the car community, denying actual math and figures.

>>17149778
sorry let me rephrase
>no FI modding

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>>17149790
>2 carb approved superchargers and 1 carb approved turbocharger
>no FI modding

>>17149787
Why would anyone buy a 4 cylinder mustang when they could have a v6 Camaro or previous gen 5.0?

>>17149514
If it was so easy why didn't Subaru do it?

>>17149514
If it was made to be modified why did Subaru give it an encrypted ecu? Why is it that playing with your ecu voids the warranty? Clearly they don't want you touching it at all if that was the case

>>17149832
Why didn't Porsche do it with their $70000 Cayman?

I don't know why, but there are countless Dyno sheets proving how easy it is to eliminate

>>17149514
>This car was basically made to be modified
Absolutely not

>>17149850
Maybe because they're lazy fucks that know you'll either do it and void your warranty or not do it and suck it up

There is no reason anyone would ever want a torque dip in any scenario. So pointing out another car that suffers the same ailment isnt building any defense for it

Same thing with Toyota. Why did Toyota ship their 86 with prius tires instead of the superior brz slicks? Oh yea idiots will just defend it blindly, claim its meant for drifting when really Toyota are just lazy cheap fucks so they can get more tire sales

>121 replies
THIS CAR IS FIVE (5) YEARS OLD FFS

>>17149850
This is horse shit logic

It's the same with garbage Craigslist cars "yea it's got this problem that's super easy to fix"

If it was so easy they would have done it and the only reason it's it done is either because they're cheap, lazy or don't care or all 3 at the same time

>>17149843
Plenty of popular modder cars have encrypted ecus. I'm pretty sure the ecoboost is encrypted too right?

>>17149866
>superior brz slicks
What did he mean by this?

>>17149881
Modding is not synonymous with what a car was supposedly designed for

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>>17149829
2016 v6 camaro is still over 20k, even used ones.

The 2015 ecoboost stangs are coming around for under 19k believe it or not, makes one of the best sports car for the price newer than 2014.

Comes down to different needs as well, sure the 2011+ 5.0 can go for around 16k to 17k but those cars are usually beat and have well over 60k miles, not to mention shitty gas and meme insurance rates for low 20's.

The ecoboost hits a pretty small niche in the car community, for now its those with a budget under 20k and want a car newer than say 2014 and really have no need for a V8. It's not like you are going to track the car every 3 days so lap times are irrelevant, and as far as torque and acceleration goes 320lb/ft and 0-60 of 5.2 is faster than 98% of the daily traffic you will encounter.

Dont forget the turbo 4 takes tunes like a champ.

>>17148885
It costs less than a 4-cyl ecoboost mustang in Europe.

>>17149931
And you can find used FRSs for 15k already.

The memeboost is not all that great on gas in the real world, especially when you are boosting.

V8s have better resale value, way better exhaust sound, and NA throttle response.

I've owned plenty of modded turbo 4 cylinders before. Like you said, they make good power for cheap, but don't compare to a healthy v8 in a car that size.

>It's not like you are going to track the car every 3 days so lap times are irrelevant
Arnt you the same Anon who posted Willows lap times for the mustang earlier in the thread?

>>17149896
The slicks on the brz are better than the all seasons tires on the 86

>>17149960
>4cyl economist mustang in Europe
Holy fuck is this real? There's a dinky 4cyl mustang in Europe?

>>17149507
It's a fact m8
Just look at the laptimes
S2000 is a hairdressers car

>>17149688
its not toyotas engine.
Wanna be mad? Be mad at the guys who put the idiotic boxer engine in.

Who cares about ECU anyway just get an afterarket one.

You're literally only one I've seen on this board mad about the ecu and you come to every toyobaru thread after a while.

an encrypred ecu has never stopped anyone from tuning and it has not stopped anyone before.

>>17149722
PP is 2k more. But all you really get are better tires, brakes, suspension and a bigger radiator. Not really any faster than a base model

Who the hell buys new anyways, a used 20k mile pony boost in my area are running for $18,000

>>17150310
>Who cares about ECU anyway just get an afterarket one
Just void your warranty, who cares

>>17150310
It actually does stop you from tuning. If the car you own doesn't have a very good aftermarket or a good following youre shit out of luck.

You can't tune an encrypted ecu, you either have to decrypt it if you know what it takes to decrypt or find a crack for it

If this car was actually designed for moderate it wouldn't be a proprietary, encrypted ecu at all

>>17150310
>You're literally only one I've seen on this board mad about the ecu
It's not so much about the ecu as it is dispelling the shitty meme that it's made for moderate in mind for which there's no evidence what so ever. Same with the shitty Toyota tires, fags believe they're meant for drifting when really Toyota is just a bunch of lazy cheap fucks and out shitty tires on it to save dosh

>>17150213
You obviously are not from America, so your opinions are worthless

>>17150419
>a used 20k mile pony boost in my area are running for $18,000
Ever wonder why they are so cheap already?

>>17150479
You think the 86 is impossible to tune?

>>17149302
The auto is slower than a minivan because it get taller gears.
Run away while you can.

>>17150234
We have it here too, genius.
And it's not that bad either.

>>17150234
>dinky
>Faster than the 4.6 V8

>>17150479
lucky that it is not Toyota ECU. They are known to be hard to tune, atleast with 86 there are many options for tune.
bolt on e85 are running about 220 whp, before you say "omg k20 can do better" think of following.
K20 8th gen SI do about 220 whp with bolt on tune, but they are FWD with less power loss then RWD. just bolt on tuning wise 8th gen si gets about same power as fa20.
Boosting is .. well k20 are beast in this side.