It's certainly fast, but why is it so BIG? When is Honda

>>17130068
Safety.
Never.

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i ask the same question about this.

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>>17130068
>When is Honda going to make something small and good looking again?

>>17130108

Never ever for the Amerifat market

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GROW BIG CIVIC GROW

>>17130108
when a car looks small next to a midget you know it's 2smol4murrica

>>17130136
>That sudden evaporation of visibility

>>17130179
Once between gen 7 and 10 the windows just disappear

>tfw no new material that replaces carbon fiber or new material science that makes it affordable so we can do away with plastic in cars

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>>17130136

I mean, Honda can definetly make a V12 Supercar that is light as fuck and moves like a beast.

However, WHO will fucking buy it when its has a price tag of 400 grand?

>>17131896
Nobody because they can't move a car that costs half as much and half as many cylinders

>>17130068

Oh hey its a subaru

>>17130124
Because it's sold in Europe too right?

>>17130068
They legally can't anymore. Safety standards have gone way up, and some of it is stupid AF. You'll never see anything resembling a 1990's Honda ever again

>>17130068
>>17130071
>>17132022
>muh road safety standards boogeyman
Explain modern sportcars like the Corvette, or the Miata.

I really wish that were the case, but the unfortunate reality is that this is what sells. This bloated, soap-bar, no-window design language is what normies like to buy, and this influences the car industry a lot more than any safety standards ever will.

At then end of the day, Honda knows there's more money in selling even their from-factory riced-out enthusiast race car to normies than to the "enthusiast" market, if only because of the simple math of population sizes. When a company says "enthusiast", they don't actually mean a dedicated fan of something, they mean that tryhard, wannabe consumer buying shit for the sake of owning an object they legitimately believe improves their social value. And not are there simply more of those mooks, those people also happen to have more money than your average late-teen, early-20's Honda fanboy.

Like I said, I wish it wasn't that way, but them's the breaks.

>>17132150
>'62 C1 corvette, 3065lbs
>'17 C7 corvette, 3347lbs
>boogeymen

You're retarded and not worth talking to. You aren't interested in having a discussion, you're interested in winning an argument, and I won't waste my time with your pseudo-intellectual, uninformed bullshit.

>>17131896
The same people who bought the LFA.

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Everyone is shitting on modern cars without realizing that foreign countries (and some of them are sold here) still have reasonably sized cars
>suzuki alto
>vw gol
>mitsubishi mirage
the small cars have undergone a name change, unfortunately the civic and the corolla are dead along with what toyota and honda used to be.

this car makes me want to rip my vape so hard

All they have to do is fix the back to make it look like an actual hatch and not a sedan and it would be much better

>>17130068
Why do you like small? I don't like the s2000 because it's simply too fucking small it completely ruins having any presence on the road in the states. Everyone drives big trucks here. You wanna merge? Tough luck kiddo you can squeeze in behind me!!

>>17130068
imagine how much faster it'd be if it were RWD though

>>17132179
Pigfat is 3500+

>>17132310
lol maybe in flyover states where everyone is angry because their lives suck
in real america, people let my mr2 in all the time.

>>17130068
I agree

I just want a 200-220hp K20 variant with a 8200 rpm redline in a Honda Fit. Stock fucking suspension. Good rubber. And a short shifter. That's it.

>>17131896
Didn't Toyota do the same with the LFA?

>>17132310
Go be fat somewhere else

My DD is a 5000lb Lexus. Shit is tooo big. I just want right, light, and tossable on the weekends.

>>17132387
Yeah for a sedan

Not a two seat "sports car" for retired police captains in America

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>>17130068
that thing is ugly af. the 2018 sti looks way better.

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>>17132376
I can't believe retards like you are given Internet access

fr is outdated, grandpa

>>17133117
People actually choose FWD? I just assumed it was poor people and women who didn't know any better.

I'm a Honda fanboy and this garbage is the biggest letdown of the century. The SI is SO MUCH BETTER LOOKING. What the fuck Honda??

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>make 2.0 turbo pretty fast car
>make it reach about 170 mph
>one of the best FF cars out there
>still no double wishbone suspension

Is it really that fucking hard? you already go out of your way for a fucking sports car (yes, sports car regardless of what anti FWD fags say) why the fuck not use the best suspension system out there.

>>17133099
Looks is all WRXs have doing for them anymore.

Too slow to be worth a damn.

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>>17133145
>not liking superior interior space and stability for the touge

>>17133555
multilink > double shitbone

>>17133704
Multilink? You mean McPherson?

Its slightly lighter but still suffers from less suspension customization and camber based on ride height.

Its no surprise literally every group C race car for asphalt runs double wishbone on all 4 wheels.

>>17133737
you want to know the difference between a "group c race car" and a civic type R?

The race car is a dedicated racing application vehicle that isn't driven daily on city roads, and the other is designed to have race car like capabilities but maintain a daily driven, city car aspect

now figure out which one is which and piss off you cry baby faggot

>>17133759
i am not even gonna take you seriously until you genuinely give me a reason why double wishbone is even inferior for the streets in any way.

>>17133771
double wishbone costs more to develop, is more complicated in design and takes up more space on the vehicle

Macpherson is much more simple to implement, lowering costs and making suspension maintenance cheaper and easier on the technicians.

>>17132278
Alto 800 has shit for safety standards and it pretty much has 0/5 stars for ANCAP safety rating.
Mulan sauce:
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/five-cars-fail-safety-test-116051700433_1.html

>>17133792
Again. A fucking sportscar.

We are not making shit econoboxes. Your car is supposed to be a track/tougay ready machine that reaches 170mph.

Who cares if it costs more and its more complicated. Takes up more space? with an FF and the size of the type R and how small you can make a good double wishbone that's not even important.

Not that its perfect either, because as you stated, it stopped being used because mcpherson is cheaper, but again: FUCKING SPORTSCAR-DONT CHEAP OUT ON THEM.

>>17133817
and if they didnt cheap out on them, the price would go up and it could no longer compete because it's in a price segment of cars far mar superior.
You have to trim the fat somewhere and the use of modern macpherson designs is just one of the ways to do this.

>>17133829
If you have to trim out the fat you make the car smaller or remove some unneeded shit or make the engine less powerful.

Again, the fact that it achieves 170 mph its nice, but its a FF type R, its supposed to be a track or hill car.

Why even have a turbo? hell, why even use the cam advance just for low RPM? just to save fuel in the low end RPM?

There are many things that the new type R is doing wrong i think. The lack of double wishbone is one of them. I worked as a city mechanic, and let me tell you that working with double wishbones is a fucking wonder. Any tune they need you just install a small metal plate and you are fucking done.

I mean, the new type R is not bad looking, although ricy, but i really feel that honda just missed the fucking spot.

>>17133877
>broke FWD record at Nurburgring
>missed the spot

>>17134030
>the car's engine is set for efficiency instead of achieving high power with little to no lag
>has cheap compact suspension design mcpherson with double linkage instead of going with double wishbone

Yeah they missed the spot. I dont care about the numbers.

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>>17134051
>not caring about the numbers
Sounds like you're the one missing the spot

>>17134145
>hurr durr the car is faster on the nur than any other of its class therefore its perfect and cannot be improved upon
You still think that i am missing the point? the suspension could have been better. The engine could have been more powerful, the car could have been lighter. And that tri-exhaust is retarded and only for looks.

>>17133793
I'd hate to crash in one but it's a nice little car.

>>17130068
Damn that thing looks cool. I want one.

>>17132278
Honda still has the fit, and Toyota has the Corolla iM cars.

>>17133013
>What is Acura RSX type S for 500 Alex

I bought a new 2016 corolla. I'm paying $800 a month so that I'll have it paid off in a year. I fucking hate the pos, and I'll have about a $35k budget for my next buggy. I need it new or super low miles, and with a big enough back seat for 3 overweight kids. Also, it needs to have balls. I got my doors blown off by a fucking minivan! I need advice. And a divorce

>>17134703
You need to send your kids to the gym.

>>17133637
I have a '14 hatchback and live up in the high rockies. I have an absolute blast

>>17133737
This. Fuck Macpherson struts and multilink.
>overly simple front suspension that proves unstable when cornering on any slightly bumpy surface
Definitely made for lap times on a track, because they're slightly lighter and cheaper to make so profits go up for the company. Lame.
>overly complex rear suspension that usually has undesirable characteristics, with only a few exceptions
Multilink has the potential to be tuned even more precisely than double wishbone, depending on its complexity and the course, but nothing provides the flexibility or feel of double wishbone

>>17134145
If you care about lap times on a car that you want to street race or touge, then you're retarded. Macpherson has limits and those limits are called road irregularities. If you're only going to track the car, then you better get a good suspension tuner.

>>17131896
Well, they were going to make an AWD V10, weren't they?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c

>>17131896
Toyota had V12 engines and some fucker bought a supra and swapped one in. He got denied into the midnight club because they thought he was reckless.

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>>17134051
>the car's engine is set for efficiency instead of achieving high power with little to no lag
>has cheap compact suspension design mcpherson with double linkage instead of going with double wishbone
>still blows the pants off of porsches, lamborghinis, zondas, jags and ferraris
Really gets my noggin' joggin'

>>17137371
>>still blows the pants off of porsches, lamborghinis, zondas, jags and ferraris
[citation needed]

>>17137401
https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/
Here you go friend :)

>>17137443
>faster than the slower pagani

gg.

Still, the car could always be better had honda not be retarded.

>>17137456

it's just not honda it's fucking normies wanting retarded specs in their everyday spazwagons which need to a) be massive so they feel strong and powerful on the road b) look like a concept car with impractical wheels/lights/bodykit so the car is now obese and needs turbos etc. to move itself and c) don't know jack shit about mechanics bc they play with the screen in the dash and just take it to the main dealer when it goes wrong before changing it in after 3 years

fuck normies, because cars are now so reliable they don't have to care about them we end up with this shitty automotive lowest common denominator bland shit, no more light yet reliable 90s/2000s cars only plastic blobs with super tight tolerance engined homomobiles now

>>17137524
possibly you are right.

That's what i like about the old type R, you know? the first civic type R.

Its hard for you to find any much to improve on that model. Yet on the new one we have 3 exhaust tips just for the sake of aesthetics and sound.

>>17137532

i just get so triggered man, i've driven a load of pre-2008 cars and they have all been great, the peak of balance between safety, reliability, fun to drive, yet also easy enough to repair at home

i know a guy with a 2013 nissan that has keyless entry that will open the car but won't always start it so he has to walk away and come back until it starts bc there is no physical key, and the bmw garage near me is always full bc of the shit timing belts and cheese suspension

fucking normies only want the latest model and the nice badge, they give all the people who actually care about good cars the shaft bc the manufacturers only build shit now

old civic type r (pre-2005 8th gen) is better in every way than every model since, ask me how i know

>>17132310
as if a larger car would help. if you want to merge into traffic there are only two ways to do it that i have found:

have a beat to FUCK pos truck with bigass steel tube bumpers that everybody knows will wreck their shitbox into oblivion and is worth fuckall. they know they will lose that fight

or have a tiny car and cram yourself into tight spaces whether they like it not.

i have both. big bloated sedans are nothing but annoying for dealing with traffic. theyre shit at everything.

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>>17137575
>ask me how i know
no.

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Im a transportation design grad student and I can assure you we will never have anything small again. There will be small cars but they will be fat and bloated.
Sorry friend

>>17133704
>multilink front suspension

have fun with that.

>>17137608

it's fucking stupid, the last real small car from the first world was the citroen c1/107/toyota aygo and even then it was pretty much euroland exclusive, yeah there are shitty tata nanos etc. but who really cares

normies are making their cars as fat as them now

>>17137628
Fuck normies man. They're ruining everything. The world needs to be covered in nerf foam for them, and they are willing to give every liberty they have for some fake security. Seriously, you ask people what their hobbies are today and you hear Netflix or clubbing.

>>17133145
FEW
SIMPLE
MODS

>>17137701

cars are a mirror of a society, today's cars are covered in screens and shiny lights, are needlessly aggressive and selfishly large, powered by unreliable plastic shit that will go fast and deliver good economy for the first owner and then be scrap shortly after

i'm reeeeeing but serious

>>17137628
>citroen c1/107/toyota aygo
I'm not bothered about size so much as those cars looking like formless blobs compared to the cars of old.

>>17137524
>>17137575
>>17137628
>>17137701
>>17137737


To quote a wise anon:"
Nobody thinks for more than a second about what you enjoy before just deciding that they hate it. It doesn't matter how sacred it may be, or the place it holds, once the world finds it you can kiss it goodbye. My city, this country, and our world are all changing at a breakneck pace. What cannot be enjoyed by everyone is either dumbed down until it can be, or destroyed so nobody can have it at all. If you enjoy something that's considered crude by 2017 standards (like fast cars) and dont have the money to wall yourself off, you are nothing more than a new societal ill waiting to be cured. What you value will be twisted into a new story to sell about a new problem to fix. It'll be something people complain about, something a politician uses to prove he does something (much to the delight of the complainers that keep him in office). It's not a matter of if, its a matter of when they come for your sacred place too."

>>17132278
Add the Chevy(Korean built) spark and the Smart Fourtwo to that list.

>>17137524

Shame no one offers smaller city/kei/supermini class cars in the US with some get up, quality fit/finish, and modern amenities that compact/sub-compact cars offer these days. At the US has decent motorcycles and bicycles for fun low cost A-B commuters.

>>17137826

i imagine being 'into' cars will be on a level comparable with casual discrimination in our enfaggoted globo-homo future, only your grandad likes petrol engined pollution producing deathtraps, everyone rides ethnic peace bicycles now

>17137845

i'm a euro so at least we have some small cars kicking around, but even small cars are getting fatter now, new polo is as big as a golf so they bring in the up to replace the polo and so on.

it will never end, even when electric and self-driving cars never happen normal cars will keep getting shitter

>>17137859
I'm pretty sure it will be viewed the same as collecting nazi shit.

>>17137871

i would like to know what will replace them though, electric cars are a false economy, will everyone be forced onto public transport or a bicycle? fuck that

>>17137737
I know. And everything has to be so isolating to drive. No wonder top gear went to shit so quickly in the later seasons. There wasn't anything actually engaging or exciting coming out.
>>17137826
That's wise as fuck. I couldn't have described it any better myself. This applies to guns, video games, cuisine, hunting (remember when Jimmy Kimmel faked crying on air over some stupid lion?), non professional sports, jobs, the list goes on. Fuck this gay earth

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>>17137628
Scion iQ?

>>17137930
more like Scion Low IQ lmao

>>17137936

they are ok but really a smart car with a park bench taped to the back, not in the same league imo

>is now a four seater, will this do xD?

>>17137908
I don't know.
I just know that we won't enjoy it.

America has to have big round cars because of the qualification needed to drive is basically passing a vision test and a literacy test.

>>17138338

you are the ebil petro-nazis, get in our soylent plastic bodied future prius or remain a BIGOT shitlord

>>17138360
>having to pass a vision test

Nah not really, back when I got my license, they passed me despite me failing my vision test because I "was nervous" according to the proctor. A few crashes and then a pair of glasses later, haven't had an issue since.

T.burgerlord

>>17132145

Soap bar design maybe, but a lot of that is aerodynamic. They're looking for every last mpg nowadays, and regulations might go even worse. As for the visibility, yes it sucks, and a lot of that is bad design that could get better. But the bulk of it is cost. One of the easiest ways to spot a more expensive car is how easy it is to see out of for the driver. For example, look at a chevy traverse next to the car it.shamelessly rips off, the audi q7. Right off the bat you can see the audi provides half again as.much to double the glass surface as it faces the driver.

The reason is that glass is the most expensive part per square foot of a car to put together. Even with quarter panels being mosntrosities that they are, glass is a bitch, a windshield replacement will go over 1k on a shit box sedan easy. So making a car more out of plastic = profit, especially when you have to market it under 30k usd.

>>17132944

I don't know. In big cities like mine all we have is negroes from somalia and city cucks. The somalians don't let you merge because they're bumper licking while texting. And the whites are fully cucked into mobile facebook, so it's no use driving anywhere near them.

>>17138637

mainly bc manufactures are unwilling to make anything slightly square anymore, producing glass with mad curvatures is expensive so we now have this shit

normies have a lot to answer for

>>17130108

might be able to fit if I rest my beer belly on the passenger seat.

>>17137845
I don't know, the smart and newer mini sell like crazy in dc. It's just one is waaaay too small and the other is basically a luxury purse for women and gays.

>>17138653

It's a good question as to whether size or curvature isn't he first influence in cost. But I definitely see the high dollar kraut cars around and they male me self conscious as to the viewing angles.

The other thing though is the body angles. Like anons are saying everything is so fat. The amount of distance you have e to judge to the left and right of the wheel in a modern car is outrageous. We honestly need all around sonar with a toggle switch to show oncoming paths. People scream at me all the time in dc for going too slow in between squeezes but they get hit themselves all the time.

I scrape up against some piece of metal sticking out in my parking garage (big surprise a nigger ran his suv into the I'd card reader) and boom, one scratch on my quarter panel is a 1000 dollar job. I pay it myself or let my premiums go through the roof after still paying 500 deductible for a giant wedge of plastic that bolts on.

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>>17138747

i've driven 2014 and 1996 model renault clios and the 2014 model is hateful, you can't see shit out of the back window and the car has weird love handles over the rear wheels which you need to remember when squeezing your way along cramped euroroads

also the nose is 2 foot longer than you expect it to be, 1996 car is a box with windows and you can see every corner

the sonar solution is a step in the wrong direction imo, manufacturers stopped publishing diagrams like the pic in brochures bc no-one wants to have a car that's harder to see out of but normies don't give a shit bc it's shiny and new

massive glass areas aren't impossible, look at early 70s buick rivieras or 66-ish barracudas, i think it's mainly fashion and also for the crash ratings (the tests are getting harder remember)

downhill from here boyos

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>>17137532
To be fair the Type R civics were pretty good up to the fd2 (japan) or the ep3 (Europe).

The European ep3 replacement was the first silly one with all flash and no dash bullshit.

The ek2 at least performs well, unlike that Euro abomination that was literally slower than the car that it replaced.

But yes, these last two models are giving us all some red flags. The latest one specially, with it's fake air vents. I still can't believe that Honda of all brands would do something like this.

>>17138826
>also the nose is 2 foot longer than you expect it to be
The nose is about 3 foot long. Where were you expecting them to put the engine? Also the mirrors are the widest part of the car, not the rear arches.

>>17139062

it's got a load of extra plastic stuck on the end that feels like it shouldn't be there, takes some getting used to because you sit so far back from the nose

you are right about the mirrors being wider but if you are doing tight turns you need to remember that there are bits of the car that stick out further than you'd think for no real reason

>>17138949
The EP3 Si was even decent for all the value and comfort it gave while being decently quick.

>>17138949
All that gaudy plastic and unmatched exhausts...who designed this? A 10 year old?

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>>17138949
>3 exhausts for no reason

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>>17139256
Slightly better but still worse than 1 exhaust per exhaust header

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>>17139207

>>17139278
Let me put to you this way:

Subaru had the STI as a turbocharged 2500cc flat 4 for years and years with only one exhaust at the back.

And remember, that was a boxer, so it was a 4 into 2 into 1.

Then, in 2008 they went full retarted with that hatchback and give a exhaust setup of 4 into 2 into 1 into 2 twin exits.

Same fucking engine, same everything. There was no reason for doing that.

This is the same thing Honda has done here.

The fn2 has the same engine of the ep3 but twin exhausts at the rear. The fk2, double twins. No reason whatsoever, other than patronizing styling.

And, obviously, that makes the car heavier and more expensive for nothing, but what do I know.

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>>17133013
This. Fit type r is my dream daily. Yeah the k20a is 17 years old but it gets good economy and would make a little fit move

>>17134623
I had a dc5 type r and it was the shit. I'm talking about people who want new cars tho and the dc5 integra with it's 3 star safety rating just couldn't exist nowadays

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>>17136316
Smokey Nagata?

>>17138826
This pretty much. The new civics also have that weird wideness to the hip and a beltline that isn't parallel to the ground. Also the front tires are too far inboard, with massive overhangs frontwise. Why? It's counter productive when I can't see shit.

>>17130068
s660

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>>17139351
>give a exhaust setup of 4 into 2 into 1 into 2 twin exits.
w0t

>>17139369
No. At least i think not. I heard that THAT guy got denied entry into the club. And it was a supra, not a nissan.

Still, you just gotta respect the midnight club outside wangan midnight.

All of the guys there were old people with a shit ton of money and a shit ton of resources. Imagine the illuminati elite rockefeller disney but in street car racing culture.

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>>17139369
>iwaya corporation
Post YFW you realize this guy makes and sells toys, and puts his logo on his nearly 180 MPH car

>>17139540
Well, it IS a toy after all. A very expensive dangerous and fun non-sexual toys for adults

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>>17130068
It isnt fast. It's slow for the price and it's a Honda so it sucks.

Also, Honda never made anything small and good looking except the old s2k. If you are talking about the 1990's K20 civic hatchbacks then you need to be gassed like the waste of skin ricer that you are.

You would do your "friends", relatives, and most importantly yourself a favor if you went on a strict diet of bleach for the rest of your life.

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>>17139527
>4 cylinders

>2 banks, so two headers

>1 exhaust pipe all the way to the back

>Exhaust separates into left and right for no reason, so 1 into 2

>Those two exits have two little pipes each, again for no good reason, so 2 into 4

>>17139556
What about the NSX? and the 6th gen civic? and the old corollas or the AWD celicas?

>>17139573
corolla and celica is made by toyota. I have had both of them. None of them look that great and they have mostly copied the styling of other cars. Last gen celicas had over done bodies.

6th gen civics are POS riceboxes that are literal memes because the "dudebruh" vaper weaboos make up 95% of the cult like following and owning a civic and actually being a FAN of it makes you look retarded.

The NSX is Acura and though it is technically Honda, how many of those do you really see around? It was a supercar but they barely made any anyways.

Either way they have yet to make a good civic.

>>17139596
Acura is just the US honda dude. Acura IS honda.

You are correct on the celicas and corollas, i fucked up a little.

And talk for yourself. I personally think that 6th gen civics (SPECIALLY hatchbacks) are fucking fantastic looking and the type R is one of the cars i wish i could have.

But overall what's the point? toyota, nissan, honda, subaru, even suzuki. All heading to the road of mitsubishi. Got an early start in the 80's and 90's making some pretty good small sports cars, or at least interesting sports car for the time, now they are reduced to making shitboxes and their """"""sportscars""""" are a shell of what it used to be.

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>>17139556

>Honda never made anything small and good looking

>>17139621
it's because of the following reasons:
1. regulations. Hard to make a sports car with the environment regs and competing for MPG and safety

2. Fuel prices rising.

3. Auto companies focusing less on performance and more on practical shitboxes as it is more profitable to do that.

That being said,very little of whatthey made in the 90's was good. 90's Japanese cars were basically just memes at the time and they had a cult like following of past-day weaboos who thought that anything coming from Japan has to be superior.

There were very few (non supercars) that were good from Japan in the 90's. Mainly the rav 4, the mr2, the miata, and perhaps the impreza

>>17139369
I don't think Smokey had the V-12 supra back then.

I do think that the RB26 Supra was a thing back then, but wasn't Top Secret's V-12 relatively recent? (Like last nine years or so)

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>>17139662
>never

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>>17139695
>ever

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>>17139764
I could go on but I'll stop here.


>>17139655

I'd argue that there were no supercars from Japan until the r35/LFA, but whatever.

Anyway, even when ignoring the NSXs and GTRs of the day, cars like the LS400, Evo, Land Cruiser and Insight come to mind as being pretty good.

>Honda could have kept with their legacy of high revving NA motors
>Would have been a much more fun car, even if it had less power/torque than what they could do with a turbo
>Make this piece of shit instead

genuinely sad
#nalivesmatter

>>17133817
You wouldnt buy one even if it had a double wishbone suspension so calm your fucking tits

>>17139904
i have no car no job and no money to get the most basic shitbox and my parents dont have the money to gift me a car. But if the car had what i said and it was a little bit prettier i would consider it a very likely candidate for a 0km new sportsy car that i would want, since i am not interested in the GT86 and the GTR Nismo would be quite expensive.

>>17134870
do u vape

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>>17130136
small cars do not have much mechanical grip or much room inside their body for tires
large engines are more reliable and have a higher performance ceiling

small and light cars and noisy and uncomfortable
crumple zones are a foot long
aerodynamic body kits do take up space
even with CAN and LIN bus reducing loom size modern cars still have several hundred meters of loom it has to go somewhere
because of air bags even with UHSS and Boron your roof pillars are going to be THICC

as for why C pillars are huger and shorter than they have ever been
??? de la courant mode

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>>17139558
could be for packaging reasons
also I'm pritty sure Abarth and Faza started this sort of thing with their weird twin channel muffler design

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>>17133117
I made a different version that's easier on the eyes

>tfw its been 5 minutes since you've passionately slammed your nearest guardrail

>>17130068
4 you

>>17130107
that at least looks a little more proportionate

>>17140016
>mall cars do not have much mechanical grip
elise
eg
ef
mr2 (mrs being best and smallest)
miat

>>17139558
>no good reason

Its called marketing anon, more exhausts = better

>>17133099
Have you had a vision test lately?

>>17139660
Yeah made it's debut in 2007

>>17139556
The K20 engine was first put in the 2002 RSX(S) and 2002 EP3 civic Si.
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about

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>>17143873
>funny-subaru-meme-16.jpg
of course he doesn't know what he is talking about, he likes subarus

>>17139596
Any civic that had the double wishbone suspension is a "good' civic. Small, lightweight, a capable engine with a wide aftermarket.