A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.

>>17095888
Pick up your phone, walk to the window, and start talking about filming child pornography. If your door gets kicked in, you'll know who it is.

>>17095888
Jump in the back and let them fuck you.

Maybe some vanlife loser

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you're about to get some flowers delivered

>>17095902
>>17095910
>>17095919

I checked my cameras they didn't get out of the car. It's brand new and you cants see in.

Plate number is:
53722b2

I need serious advice

Looks like the party van found you.

>>17095888
Are you that old lady who calls the police for everything?

>>17095929
Okay. Let's go through this.

1) Are they on your property?

If yes, call the police and have them removed.

2) Do you feel threatened by them?

Man up grab a gun and confront them or call the cops. Have you looked up any funky shit? Could be v&

>>17095952
Depending on your state, you can get fucked if you go out to confront someone with a gun.

>>17095952
I get the vibe that it's FBI or some shit

>>17095888
Pics?

>>17095952
>confront someone with a gun
don't do this, this is against hte law literally everywhere

>>17095929
>that many numbers with little letters
government or commercial (will be labelled if the latter)

>>17095996
Source on this please?

Nothing on it. It's brand new. Back windows have some kind of drapes covering it. Front window is covered with one of those silver sun cover things.

I live in a nice neighborhood. It's not some bum.

I'll try to take a pic soon. I'll be home in 20 min max

>>17095971
>>17095986
If they're on your property, wait for them to act shifty around the waistband. That warrants 17 to the chest. Least that's how it is in FL.

>>17096021
Are you in Europe? If so, he's wrong.

>>17096021
what state do you live in? does the lettering order look anything like other cars? if not it's a specialty plate for some reason.

>>17095910
No you've got it backwards. He needs to get like five of his friends, get up in that van and start raping everyone in sight. Don't stop until there's literally fecal matter and tears on the floor. Welcome to the neighborhood, cocksuckers!

>>17096031
I'm stuck in Illinois right now and if you go out to confront someone and are forced to use your firearm, or if someone's acting crazy, but isn't posing an imminent threat to your life and you confront them with a firearm, YOU are the aggressor and you will get fucked.

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I'm not going to confront anyone.

Here is a pic of the van. I live in CA and his plates are CA

Why don't you just call the non-emergency police number and ask if they can send someone to check it out?

>>17095975
>vibe that it's FBI or some shit
FBI uses shitty Minivans and SUVs for surveillance.
>>17096021
>I live in a nice neighborhood. It's not some bum.
Ask neighbors. It could be someone’s business van they got. I seriously doubt 2 guys have been sweating, eating, breathing and shitting in a van for two days straight. If your neighbors don't know then just knock on the back doors and give the van a jiggle by applying body weight to the bumper. If no one responds report it to the non emergency line.

>>17096102
OH NO MAN
ITS THE CARB POLICE
THEYRE RUNNING A CHECK ON YOUR TEST PIPE

>>17096121
This, or just knock on the van at a reasonable hour and calmly ask whats going on, don't get angry and don't spook them, they should understand that you have every right to be curious.

>>17096121
>>17096126
>>17096128
Okay so I watched the footage and the car shows up 3 days ago.

>rolls up the street
>does a u turn and ends up where u see it
>5 min later throws up windshield sun thing
>watch for 40 min and nobody gets out.
>skip throughout the day too see if it moves.
>next night 1 ish a car pulls up behind it
>van turns on
>moves forward maybe 2 feet (making room for car behind it?)
>turns off
>this morning a benz pulls up next to the car that parked behind it.
>drops some dude off and he leaves
>van still there

christ white people are nosy as fucking

>>17096176

forgot to mention. The side of the van (white part where windows typically are) you can see though when ur inside the van.

I drove by it and saw through the driver window to the back passenger side window. Its a one way

I thought about telling you to flatten one of the tires and then reminded myself of the time I flattened one of my neighbor's tires for parking in my spot when it turned out I was just really high and incorrectly assumed they did

OP this is giving me the spooks

call the cops

>>17096139
>knock on the van
>OP is pulled into van by several human traffickers
>OP never seen again

>order pizza
>Have it delivered to said van with message.

>>17096303
>implying OP or any of us is good enough for the sex slave trade

>>17096303
>OP's mouth repeatedly fucked by angry men in ski masks until they get bored and drop him off at a truck stop

>>17096158
Damn OP
WHAT DID YOU DO?

>>17096331
we'll find out soon, the mob boss/ Field agent lead is on site

>>17096338
Pics or this is larping bullshit

>>17096343
I was referring to
>>17096158
>this morning a benz pulls up next to the car that parked behind it.
>drops some dude off and he leaves
>van still there

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>>17096128
made me kek real hard

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so, did the G Men nab OP?

>>17096531
No im still here

Van is still here.

>>17095888

Gubberment here.

Just a general heads up, we don't use vans for surveillance, and if we did we wouldn't just park one there for fucking days with people inside, we'll rotate through half a dozen different vehicles and agents over a single 24 hour period.

>>17096569
If you think they're listening in you should blast Touhou eurobeat for them to help pass the time.

>>17096569
How do you know they didn't get out from the other side if you can't see it with your camera?

>>17096575
you won't fool me with your vapetrails

>>17096581
If they were to use the back doors or side door I would have seen them get out once they started walking away from the van

>>>/x/ threads sure are fun.

>>17096321
Hey, I take lots of dick, I'd be a great sex slave
t. Femboy twink

>>17096596
>inb4 they bait OP with Bob Seger and a case of Bud Light

>>17096629
>>>/xo/

Jesus. Call 911 and report a suspicious vehicle.

I do this like twice a month when some fucking drunk fuck parks his car like shit on my block.

OP hasnt answered the burning question. Why is he spooked? OP is pedo or dealing??

>>17096031
You can't shoot unless they're attempting to enter a domicile, however you can "threaten" deadly force

>>17096320
I used to be a delivery driver, I'm lucky I'm not dead

>>17095888
With a van like that, it's probably surveillance. Since you noted other cars appearing and swapping people to the van, that means it's some sort of organized surveillance. You should report it as a suspicious vehicle to your local police. It could be a private investigator firm too. Chances of it being run by organized crime are unknown to me since I can only speculate.

But certainly, anytime you have a vehicle parked with people in it and the people are regularly swapped out by other cars driving up to it, well, that means it is surveillance. Of who? Maybe they are watching you and listening to bugs in your house? They need to be close enough to listen in due to short range of passively-powered bugs.

>>17098037
OP is gonna git good

>>17095888
>What should I do?
It is technically legal in my city to have a directional light at your home aimed streetside. As long as it is not aimed at another house, you can spotlight a vehicle.

Time for you to google that van. And you can check the plates at various places like rate-driver.com

>>17096330
This is my fetish.

>>17095888
>infront of my house for 3 days
In the daytime, you can look over the front grille and see if there are any cameras mounted there aimed at any particular direction.

If you cannot see in, then their window tint is illegal. You should report to the police that fact as part of the suspiciousness of the van.

Anyways, if they are on your grass, time for you to ahem, water your lawn.

>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.
Maybe it's waiting for someone to leave their house. As soon as that happens, people will come out of the van to enter the house and bug it. Then they can listen to the short range bugs from their van.

>>17096158
Definitely suspicious especially the time of night.
It's clearly not abandoned when people are getting in and out of it to other cars at suspicious times of night.

Any ideas as to who is being watched by Big Brother?

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>???

>>17096176
>christ white people are nosy as fucking
It's not a normal van. Sections of white sides of the van are concealed one-way windows.

>>17096206
You can't do anything to that van if it's FBI doing investigation. They will cite you for interference with an ongoing investigation even if you jokingly tape a sheet of paper to the side of the van labeled "FBI" or "POLICE".

>>17095888
Just call the damn police on a suspicious vehicle. If you hesitate to do so for so long there obviously is a reason why you don't want to. aka you're cooking meth or something

>>17095888
Time for OP to check if his keyboard is bugged.

park your car right infront or behind it and see if anything happens

>>17095888
Sounds like urban campers or homeless people.
Its a nuisance but probably nothing to worry about.
>It's an older ford econoline so I doubt it's anything else.
>cops wouldn't mount the plate like a faggot

Call the cops.

>>17098229
What are your street parking restrictions? Most places have a restriction on how long a car can be consistently parked on the street within an X hour period within Y distance of the last place it parked. Check your bylaws, call bylaw accordingly. If the van doesn't move, isn't told to move, etc, then it's likely a government or otherwise authorized vehicle.

Report as anonymously as you can (payphone, friend's phone who doesn't live near you) so that if it is a surveillance van, they don't know who it is, would have to assume it's the person they're surveillance-ing, and leave anyways.

We had a guy parked in front of my house for hours. Very unusual so we asked the cops to check it out. He was a private investigator watching the house across the street as part of a divorce case.

You have two choices. First, call the cops and have them check it out. Second, go up to the van and offer to empty their piss jugs for them.

>>17096778
how sad is your life?

Probably a hired gun for an insurance fraud investigation... they need proof - who ever can walk, or lift thing, etc.. vrs their recently paid claim. I bet there is construction nearby, maybe. My 2 cents.

im sorry but why don't you go up to it, knock and ask what the h*ck is going on

if you seem like a weirdo just say you have cameras and take neighborhood security very seriously

take lots of pictures of it and call the cops for loitering/public squatting

>>17098692
also there are nsa shills inside monitoring 100% of your digital activity before they kidnap you

>>17095888
park near van
hit it gently with your car
call cops inb4 good citizen to inform owner
get rid of fbi cucks

>>17095888
Call parking enforcement if it is illegal in your city to be in a public parking spot for more than 24/48/72 hours w/o moving.

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If OP isn't dead by now then his life isn't in danger. It's either squatters, a private investigator, or an official authority. Just knock on the door you fucking pussy.

>>17098703
>hit it gently with your car
Hell no, don't do that. If they turn out to be FBI, they now have a way to legally blackmail you for cooperation. In return for not pressing charges for interference, you agree to house them in your house while they surveil the target from your house. At that point, you are totally stuck with them and because you signed the paperwork, you basically have surrendered all your rights and agreed to some horrible imprisonment if you spill the beans.

Plot twist: They are harvesting our IP addresses.

>>17099417
Fuck

>>17099417
Them's good eatin'

do a burnout infront of it, have a shopping cart roll into it or put C4 in an RC and destroy as many Vans in the next Two minutes

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>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.
That surveillance would have low success rate in my neighborhood. While people like getting rid of crime, many households here hate big brother just as much and how it reduces our freedoms with invasion of privacy. We have an HOA and many of the houses are on our own fairly active private forum site. It's secure with the use of HTTPS and we have many frank discussions on it.

Some sneaky van would certainly be mentioned in our threads. The people being surveilled might find out if they are active participants on our site. Since we ban all streetside parking, they would have to surveil from being parked in someone's driveway. The FBI can override our rules by court order (and they would get it as they have pet judges that basically say yes to all their requests), but then they would stick out like a sore thumb by being the only street side parker not to mention everyone would be damanding they'd be towed immediately.

If that white van was in front of my house, I'd be pissed off. The only way it could survive is if our Board of Directors approved the van to park streetside. It also would agree to not enforce the "no living in a car" rules and the "no stalking" rules that keep people from spying on each other. For example, I can't put up an infrared laser audio eavesdropper to constantly watch my neighbor's bedroom window. Ooh la laa.

Not everyone would be pissed because we have a few households with "Big Brother is Good For Everyone" mentality. But some people on our forums would contact all the households within 200 feet of that van to make sure that 100% knew there was a suspicious van possibly spying on someone.

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>instead of knocking on the van and having a civil discussion explaining your concerns like a reasonable fucking human being you send the government
white people.....

>>17099524
Where do you live? I want to move there, sounds comfy.

>>17095888
>What should I do?
If you have alleyways, check to see if there is surveillance of alleyways too. If it is someone else's alley, then it's a house on that side being watched. If it's your alley, then one of the houses on your side of the street are being watched.

I would pretend not to know it is some spying van. I'd print out some sheets of paper with big boldface words able to be seen from a distance and tape them to the sides of the car, truck, or van. It would say "WHO'S CAR IS THIS?". That is completely legit to do and you cannot get charged for interference with an investigation as the police or FBI had not contacted you beforehand.

>>17096102
That's a ford van, not a Chevy van. And its not new. Not by a long shot. Its at least a few years old as ford stopped making full size vans.

>>17099528
You don't treat potential criminals like that. You use extreme caution and DO NOT APPROACH.

>>17099624
>potential criminals

>>17095888
>What should I do?
OP, check your car for a tracking device. Look underneath the rear end. If you see something attached by magnet, then that is a GPS tracker. If you have a GM car, then you have Onstar and can be tracked that way, so the FBI or police don't need to attach another device.

>>17099524
you and everyone you live around is fucked in the head.

>>17099524
What the fuck kind of plebeian simple Sam full retard would live amongst such obviously liberal scumbag Jew lovers?

>>17098647
I'm thinking this as well
OP anybody in your house file an insurance claim?

>this thread

If it really is a surveillance van and wanted to watch you they wouldn't park right infront of your house and stick out like a sore thumb, if they're watching anyone its someone down the street a few houses

>>17099727 >>17099675
>scumbag Jew lovers
Those are the ones that worship corporations and big brother. Both work hand in hand to support data collection (surveillance) over the little guy.

>>17095888
Phone the police and say there's a suspected terrorist bomb.

>>17095888
Share all your cp with us, you're already fucked anyway op.

Or do donuts in front of them while blasting eurobeat in a Miata

>>17099528
>white people

Spicy meme famalam

>>17099528

Proof as to why minorities are the first to die in horror films right here.

>>17100527
>republicans

>>17100582

I don't think most horror films identify people's political views anon.

Guess it's safe to assume that OP has been V&'d

>>17100692
I bet you've been waiting all thread to say that, faggot

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>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.
Go up there and copy down the VIN and see what carfax, alldata, or one of the other database sites say about its maintenance. If the car gets serviced at "CALTRANS" then you know it is a state surveillance vehicle.

>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.

Is this that car?
http://rate-driver.com/CA/53722B2

The entry needs a VIN number to be added.

>>17096031

>Be from Florida
>Have corpses for neighbors
>two were retirees from Connecticut
>the others were gang members

>>17098701
>>17098692
t.leased auto FRS

>>17099528
>nig doesn't like the police

I wonder why

>>17101887
And now you're putting words in my mouth. kys retard

>>17101937
t. assmad Africa fangirl


Will Africa ever recover?

>>17095888
>What should I do?
Have you talked to some of your neighbors about that car? What are their opinions?

>>17101959
i actually laughed at this.

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>>17102072
Communist Antifa detected.

Shouldn't you be beating people with bike locks and kicking over Berkeley trashcans?

If OP's not dead, maybe he should call the Non-emergency line and inform them of a suspicious van close to your home.

>>17102404
>Black guy opened ring case the wrong way
Like pottery.

>>17102404
Keep prepping that bull, you literal cuck.

>Pull your vehicle up next to theirs, passenger-side-to-driver-side
>Roll down your passenger window, indicate that you'd like him to roll his down
>Ask what's up
Now you can drive away if you get scared that they'll fucking nab you you paranoid schizophrenic.

>>17102451
>Im not white

Well there's your problem. Why are you here then? That clock isn't gonna blow up anything on its own.

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>>17099417
put me in the screencap lol

>>17102432
>Implying I've had a girlfriend to be cucked with

>>17102522
Oy vey, C/o/mmieKike

>>17102418
he's stealing it from her

>ITT OP gets V&n'd

It was nice knowing you OP.

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>>17095888
OP, what's the latest news on the surveillance van?

>>17096718
u got discord [ò ͜つó]

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C'mon OP
do something
Things are getting juicy

the feds put the surveillance on you OP, flush all your meth down the toilet

>>17101959
Kek

>>17101796
kek'd at the comment added today "parks suspiciously outside people's houses"

Thread needs more full-size vans

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>>17101749
This, but here you go oppie. We wouldn't want you leaving the comfort of your basement

>>17101796
>>17104411

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>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.
By now, it is nearly 5 days. Their surveillance mission should be over with by now and the van has left?

Aren't any other neighbors suspicious about this van? My whole neighborhood would be suspicious. We know all the cars that normally park in our 'hood. Outsider cars means trouble is brewing.

>>17105791
nEEDz MoaR vANs

>>17104411
https://www.vehiclehistory.com/vehicle?bDRUM3FHbjg5T3B1azVLU0YvN2dSNHNBaURkRUpHcHNCdVRraE80SjhhWT0=
>registered in Virginia in 2007
>moved to California in 2016
>Odometer not actual
ayyyy
virginia to cali is kind of suspect though, lots of government agencies in virginia/DC

>>17106431 here
>>17104411
that VIN may not be accurate. that VIN mentioned in your post used to belong to a glass company
http://soldtiger.com/cgi-bin/mnlist.cgi?tigergrp224/category/ROLLING-STOCK

Also fucking kek the sales images show it having the odometer at almost 243,000 miles and when it was registered in Cali it had only way under 140,000 miles meaning the odometer was definitely rolled back.

I doubt the government would purchase a used Ford van though

Come on OP! Status update!

>>17099605
>ford stopped making full size vans
...... No they didn't?

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>>17099624
>USA
>will get shot if you knock at vans in front of your house
>developed world

>>17099524
>hoa

>>17095888
delet

>>17099416
at least op will have friends now.

>>17095888
Pull the engine and swap it into your car

>>17106456
>I doubt the government would purchase a used Ford van though
If it was originally used by the FBI and they upgraded, then those used modded vehicles could be sold to state or major local police forces that also do surveillance. The van has concealed one-way windows on its sides so that makes it useful. It would be a "hand me down".

They look like body panel siding but as OP said in >>17096202 , a bright light shining from the front window into the interior of the van could be slightly seen thru the sides. That would mean it is one of those advanced one-way viewing wall technologies. My corp has wall-mounted clocks like that. They have opaque white facings that look like normal painted clock facings, but behind it is HD cameras that scan and do facial recognition.


>>17107155
>will get shot if you knock at vans in front of your house
You'll get the "We know where you live, leave us alone" threat from the homeless in those vans. Various other homeowners have mentioned variations of that response in the comments attached to news articles about homeless in my major usa city. All you can do is roll up your garden hose and hide it inside your garage.

If it's not bothering you, look the other way and pretend you didn't see anything you nosy faggot.

>>17095888
This seems like a question for /k/.

>>17107757
>getting threatened by hobos in front of your own home
>developed world

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>>17108699
>getting threatened by hobos in front of your own home
>developed world diversity anti-discrimination laws require it

Homeless living for weeks in front of this seattle woman's house beat her after she complained to them about their trash. They had been tossing trash in her yard, and fecal wastes. After getting klunked, she stumbled in a stupor back towards her house and fainted in front of her house. The homeless living in the van drove off since they didn't want to be prosecuted for assault.

She had complained to the police previously and they told her to not confront them.

>>17096569
check your local wifi m8.

Are you involved with someone from a gang/mafia etc or someone else who may be involved with them?

Try leaving the house and waiting around the block for a while. See if that gets them to move. At least then you'll know if you're the target.

OP got suicided.

F

>>17109750
had a homeless dude come to my house in seattle

came up to the window with a bb rifle and flashed it and the guy bolted

good ol us of a

>>17110945
>had a homeless dude come to my house in seattle
While it could be innocent that a homeless comes to your door to ask to use your bathroom to wash up, it could also be to check if you are home or not.

1. Ring door bell. Wait. Ring again. Is homeowner away? No dog barking?

2. Next step is to toss rock at window. If no reaction, then homeowner is not home.

3. Enter house typically from rear.

>>17110945
>came up to the window with a bb rifle and flashed it and the guy bolted
Is Brandish is illegal outside the house? I assume it's legal inside your house since you were only getting ready to clean your gun!

>>17112047
You can have the gun in your pocket / waist and point to it. But in most states you cant whip it out and start pointing all over... thats a big no no.
If they ever come to repo your car.. just do that.. point to the gun on your hip and say.. you best leave. They will... fuck that bank.

BOT, OP... wtf give us an update.

>>17113170
>point to the gun on your hip
You can't do that in Seattle. That is still the same as using a gun to intimidate here as seen in the court system rulings. Also seen in court rulings is when someone goes into a store to shoplift and they have a gun on them. Even if they do NOT touch or point at the gun, it is considered to be armed robbery. You don't need to brandish or touch it. Other dindu have tried to escape the armed robbery charges by having a holster and a toy gun handle, thus it was always a non-functional device. They are still charged with armed robbery.

>>17110357
this

>>17113342
If you run the plates they are classified type M. This is us marshalls wit proc or fugitive section.

RIP OP

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>>17113398
So, that surveillance van is there because a homeowner is suspected to be one of the people sheltering a fugitive. If Harrison shows up, put some bread on his head and get a picture before the marshalls haul him off.

RIP OP

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>>17113737 >>17113398
>If you run the plates they are classified type M.
>RIP OP
Obviously, OP is not in any danger of RIP. If he was actually harboring a fugitive, he already knows full well something is wrong and he has to carefully maintain normalcy to avoid triggering a search warrant.

Most of our rights have eroded to where it is close to the point where law enforcement can get a search warrant simply because they want one, but it is not quite to that point yet. The recent voting by Congress to allow warrantless surveillance and release of our internet browsing records (URL, time spent, type of data, etc) helps support requests of search warrants.

But until that day comes, as long as the utility records don't show resource consumption of two or more people, even if OP was hiding someone, they can't get a warrant. So all they can do is surveil and hope to record the shadow of two people in the curtains or see lights turn on and off in multiple places at the same time before requesting a warrant.

>>17113798
The two guys in the van have probably ravaged OP's butthole and killed him, we can only wish this is not his fate.

OP say something goddamnit, it's been almost a week

>>17095986
AZ here
Castle law...

>>17116791
>OP say something goddamnit, it's been almost a week
Is OP scared of the surveillance van? Fear of the police has OP even giving up on his Bill of Rights even without signing any forms?

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OP hide your dog.

>>17116805
Castle law is circumvented by many things. And before castle law can be applied, you first have to qualify for the self-defense situation and that itself can be invalidated if you egged the opponent on or taunted them. You are still allowed to defend yourself, but the castle protections are gone. You can also get roasted publicly (aka trayvon) so even if you are in the right, the courts are forced to apply a political decision in your case for the good of all the people.

Hey dudes I got an email for posting on that driver rate website from my ISP.
Dont post anymore comments.

>>17121738
Screenshot or bullshit

>>17121738

lol

Dude it's probably a private investigator looking into insurance fraud. The local Walmart stocker on disability hosting intergalactic keggers. You know. Bullshit.

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>>17095921
sha-sha-shaw

>>17095888
Are you home alone, Kevin?

OP GIVE US AN UPDATE YOU CUNT

>>17100527
>>17100598
I don't think horror movies are an accurate depiction of real-life anon

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>driver rate website knows the year/make/model of both of my cars are from the plates, no comments
>but not any of my family's cars or other plates I knew

>>17099524
>HOA
Good god, you couldn't pay me to live in that kind of hell. We don't even build our homes for HOAs. That shit is for volume builders.

>>17099528
>AYO HOL UP.gif

>>17113242
Yeah but you're talking about Seattle of all places

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>>17113242
how can it be armed robbery with a fucking replica?

>>17107317
>>17106456
>swapping in a motor with 250k+

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>>17124358
>HOA
>you couldn't pay me to live in that kind of hell.
Home Owner Associations are all the rage due to crime and homelessness. It works great and people prefer them. My HOA neighborhood is highly sought after as it is crime free (proven by statistics), looks great, and the people get along. Turnover is low because people don't want to leave unless they have to move for a job. The house down the street from me sold for 30% ABOVE market price. Can you imagine going to your car dealer and offering 30% above MSRP for that car? That's what happens here.

It's also true that HOA have their darkside as well. If you are a criminal, HOA will be hellish for you to live in. For example, if you insist on living in a car on our streets, you will be driven out. So no wonder you hate HOA. If you regularly throw trash out your window on the street, other neighborhoods can't do anything but our HOA will call you out on it. No wonder you hate HOA for stopping you from throwing trash all the time.

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>>17124568
>live in HOA
>get warnings for parking YOUR OWN CAR in front of YOUR OWN HOUSE on a street with space for parking on BOTH SIDES
>get warnings for painting your front door the wrong color
>get warnings for having your lawn 0.5 inches above permitted length
>can get kicked out of your OWN PAID FOR HOUSE by the HOA

>>17124568
Also if you want to do anything with your property that you paid for, like parking your project car out front, you will get fined. Also God forbid you shirk some yard work one week. MUH FREEDOM AND COMMUNITY

>>17124568
>Required to pay a bunch of nosy old people to sperg about parking in my own driveway
>Have to use a standard grass seed and standard plants
>Live on tiny plot of land
>Not allowed to modify the exterior of your own house

I'll stick to living in my crime free semi rural paradise, thank you

>>17124582
>can get kicked out of your OWN PAID FOR HOUSE by the HOA
Does this really happen? The whole idea of HOA is alien to me (Canadian).

>some kid starts parking a tow truck in front of my house every weekend
>Take pictures of the truck, post it all over his towing companies customer reviews
>See the fag a couple hours later sitting in the truck
>Cuss him the fuck out, tell him to shove the truck up his ass as he's leaving
>No more tow truck

Later realized it's illegal to park an oversized vehicle on the street and I could have just called cops.

>>17124619
I don't know, I'm German, it's all anecdotal. But apparently HOAs are worse than us even though we're Nazis already.

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OP, are you me?
having the same problems
today is abatement day, calling one time now
its some skeeze that keeps locking his bike to the outside
he tried to start it yesterday, pic related

>>17124582
>>17124619
>>17124660
Nobody forces you to live there. If you don't like the HoA rules then don't buy a house in that neighborhood.

>>17124568
I live in an HOA neighborhood. Last week I got fined $100 because my pool guy was hosing out a dirty filter in the street

>>17124568
This so much.

HoAs are great if you're upper class white who follows the rules.

and again, nobody forces you to live there.

>>17124731
Are you legally required to pay that fine? wtf I wrong with the land of the free?

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>>17124789
>Are you legally required to pay that fine?
Remember, it is not technically a "fine". The word "fine" is a legal term. Only the law system imposed by the government issues fines. An HOA has rules and not laws. Thus they are not fines but fees for non-compliance.

As for you or your guests being obligated to follow the rules, the fees for non-compliance are assessed against your property. As courtesy, they are not filed for a period of XX days depending upon your HOA. When the fee is filed against you, it becomes a LIEN against your property.

As you know, a lien affects your credit rating drastically. It is considerably worse than being late on overdue payments. Thus your car insurance rates will rise from the HOA lien. Also, if you don't pay the lien off (the fee itself, court costs, the lawyer costs, the messenger service costs, the lien event cost, and the legal documentation costs), after XX days, your home will be foreclosed and sold. At that point, you have 2 weeks to move out. The XX days can be as short as 45 days or 9 months in some places depending on state laws on what kinds of minimum time is allowed when you sign a deed.

So yes, you are legally obligated to pay or else the property will be sold from you at the bargain price of the lien cost to one of those house flippers. Those house flipper real estate programs teach you to look for distressed bargains like HOA foreclosures too. If the HOA is kind to you, it will authorize the lawyer firm to sell your house at full market price whereupon you will receive money for the sale of your home less the fine you owed. If you were antagonistic, the lawyers will sell it at the lien price, thus you don't get anything from the sale because there was no profit. Remember that in most states, a foreclosure is not obligated to sell the property for max profit. It is only obligated to sell it at the stated date.

>land of the free
That doesn't mean criminals must be free.

>>17124926
Jesus Christ. What about property rights and whatnot? Does the land not belong to the "owner"? It seems that they're just holding you hostage with your credit rating. Sounds horrible.

>>17124977
>What about property rights and whatnot?
You signed those away by entering into the HOA agreement.

The thing is most that go into HOA controlled areas agree with it, even desire it, because they want to control what their neighbors can do so I have no sympathy at all for them when it backfires.

>>17124977
>Does the land not belong to the "owner"?
If you don't pay your property tax, the government forecloses and sells your property. So in that respect, do you really own your property or are you "renting" it from the government at the rental rate equal to the property tax?

>>17124977
The land "belongs" to you, (at least as much as it can in a society with property taxes), but most of the time HOAs are established when a new neighborhood or development is built, and agreeing to the HOA's terms are conditional to buying the house, the only other way it gets set up is if everyone in the neighborhood is in agreement and joins it voluntarily, however even then, they will likely have a clause that you can't sell your house to someone who doesn't join the HOA and your held to this via death by credit score.

>>17125048
>the only other way it gets set up is if everyone in the neighborhood is in agreement and joins it voluntarily
We have those next to the university. That was to prevent non-homeowners from parking cars street side in front of the houses. It obtained cooperation from the city and the HOA was established with that letter of understanding from the city. So people going to university cannot park in that neighborhood.

>>17124568
>The house down the street from me sold for 30% ABOVE market price.
That's not how house prices work.

>>17099416
>op masturbates furiously in the room where investigators are surveiling their target
>they leave

>>17096158
just call the cops, stupid.

or just go outside and stare at the to let them know you know theyre there.

>>17125045
All property is owned by the government, you don't own the actual land you own an estate in the land (eg fee simple or leasehold), which comes with certain rights (at least in my jurisdiction, I'm not from america)

>>17124619
Yes. It really happens.

>>17125157
>That's not how house prices work.
Oh, really? Do go on about how house prices work.

>Inb4 they're worth what someone is willing to pay

>>17127852
There's no such thing as a market price for a particular house because it's a unique good. Did you mean assessed or asking?

>>17124926
What happens if you go full squatter and refuse to leave? They can't send anyone onto your property to get you out because you didn't give them permission to enter onto your property and if they do BAM I thought it was a nigger trying to rob me

Hoa btfo

>>17128064
You are fucking retarded.

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>>17128064
>There's no such thing as a market price for a particular house
You are being way too technical that in your correctness you have lost sight of the big picture. There is a "market price" for a house in any particular neighborhood. As you said, it is a unique good but the MLS statistics are able to approximate a price for a house in a particular neighborhood after it is inspected as well as other conditions are taken into account.

In the case of the original house in the discussion, the fact that the neighborhood had a strong HOA community contributed to the house having a 30% premium over the "MSRP" as the poster colloquially used. For houses, that MSRP would be the normal MLS price for that type of house and size of property in that area (not just that neighborhood). But that neighborhood added 30% more to the price because of its history of no crime, solid neighbors, no trouble, and no worries.

As with many HOA, mowing the lawn is the biggest problem most people have. Isn't that a wonderful thing compared to having your car prowled and the bicycles in your back porch stolen? Or not being able to walk in your neighborhood in the evenings for fear of mugging? An HOA with a good community of people who believe in keeping the HOA strong can do wonders against the problems caused by the anti-discrimination laws.

Conversely, many criminal types hate HOA. And many anti-discrimination activists and their supporters hate HOA as well because the main focus of HOA is to provide a stable neighborhood, maintain property values, and fight crime. All three of those things are "problems" for troublemakers and joys for non-troublemakers. And statistically speaking, the troublemakers are those very same people the anti-discrimination activists are protecting.

Pictured is the ignition key for a car that probably would have problems in a HOA community.

>>17128064
See >>17128615 or the tl/dr version: >>17128199

>>17124644
>Later realized it's illegal to park an oversized vehicle on the street and I could have just called cops.
Seattle still has the federal injunction issued during Obama to stop violating rights of minorities by putting more emphasis on blacks and hispanics than on others. So the police often leave the RVs alone unless complaints are able to justify an active crime element to that RV parked in front of their house.

Some homeowners have tried putting up fake "No Parking" signs, but that isn't legal.

>>17124408
Is Robbery with a Fake Weapon Also Considered a Crime?
In most jurisdictions, there does not have to be an actual application of force in order for a theft to be considered robbery. It is usually sufficient if the victim believed that they would be harmed if they did not cooperate.

Thus, most courts would consider the use of a fake weapon to be armed robbery. However, it is essential that the victim reasonably believes that the weapon was real and not fake. Also, if a toy gun is used to strike a victim during a robbery, then it actually becomes a weapon for legal purposes.

- See more at: http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/robbery-with-a-fake-weapon.html#sthash.e3xuTsJ1.dpuf

>>17128615

The next to last paragraph confuses me a little. It insinuates that HOAs can discriminate against home buyers, is that true? Also isn't that illegal?

>>17095888
Nice trips. Call the cops.

>>17095888
>Two dudes never got out and it's been sitting there.
how often do they change places with new people?

>>17133650
I'm wondering if they cut a hole in the floor to pop a squat

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>>17131224
>It insinuates that HOAs can discriminate against home buyers, is that true?
This occurs indirectly. That's because scummy people are unable to mow laws, avoid throwing trash out their windows, or may do criminal things in the neighborhood. They may also threaten or intimidate other people which is illegal (there are laws against that).

So that's how discrimination INDIRECTLY occurs because statistically speaking, some people behave badly.

>>17133902
Ahh, so the thugs cause the rule system to be activated against them due to bad behaviour. So the thugs call that discriminatory.

>>17124619
yes, middle-aged women go on power trips because they have nothing better to do

OP is kill


RIP IN PEACE OP

>>17098144
especially if*

When I was in high school and college I worked on a landscape crew in the summers. Lots of awful times with HOAs.

Some are like the ones this anon >>17133902
has been talking about:
>Wealthy neighborhood wants to keep high standards
This is understandable. If you live in a million dollar home in a gated community I get it.

More are like this >>17135697
>Ridiculous rules made up by petty people who want to lord it over their neighbors

The suburb where we did most of our work was a mix of neighborhoods with and without HOAs. All the homes were about the same value regardless of neighborhood because they were all built about the same time and in the same school system. The town was almost entirely upper-middle class aside from an old trailer park by the river.

Neighborhoods without HOAs had some personality to them because the homeowners customized their yards and regularly had neighborhood barbecue parties.

Neighborhoods with HOAs were eerie clonescapes where all the yards looked exactly the same due to insanely rigorous rules about what plants you could have and where you could plant them. I never saw a neighborhood party in these spots. Our clients constantly complained about getting cited by the HOA for things like taking their garbage out to the curb 10 minutes before the HOA rules allowed for people to take out their garbage. There were two times when a client was cited because we were parked in front of their house for more than 3 hours.

>>17136550
>There were two times when a client was cited because we were parked in front of their house for more than 3 hours.

Surveillance van from local US Marshalls parks in front of OP's house in case fugitive shows up at friend's home for shelter.

OP gets cited by his HOA for each day the van is parked there.

Justice is served?

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Plot twist: those two guys are HOA agents

>>17136664
>OP gets cited by his HOA for each day the van is parked there.
All OP has to do is tell the HOA it's not his van and that no one knows whose van it is.

The HOA would call for a tow and that would be that. Bye bye nuisance van. We only knew you for a week and a day.

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>>17121864
Underrated post

>>17095888
>A chevy cargo van has been parked infront of my house for 3 days.
What would happen if you and other people parked cars in front of the suspected house of interest to block their view? Would this van move? Or would people in the van come out and tell you that you cannot park there?

>>17096575
This is what they'd say to get you off their trail OP, don't fall for Gubberment shills.

>>17139850
Homeland Security is not just the Government. It also hires lots of contractors. Those contract security companies do many short term or even long term jobs without the need to expand the government workforce. The contractor firms may have different standards.

>>17124977
>Jesus Christ. What about property rights and whatnot? Does the land not belong to the "owner"?

Uninteresting post 1 of 2!

You own the property, inasmuch as anyone with a mortgage and government owns anything, but most deeds still have "restrictions." They often include things like
>Utility rights of way and other easements. If gas lines and telephone poles cross your property, the deed will typically restrict you from tearing them down.
>Limits on livestock ownership, for property within the city limits. No more than THREE chickens, please.
>Restrictions on mineral rights. You do not own any oil underground, and you are not allowed to demolish the house in order to sell the top six feet of topsoil.

When a developer builds, say, a 300-house subdivision, they often put further restrictions on each lot's deed:
>Each house must be painted one of x-many pre-approved colors, so everything in the subdivision matches
>No two houses can be painted the same color
>Builder must plant so many trees
>House must be atop an x-degree slope/x-feet high, for drainage
>House must have x-many bedrooms, or x-many stalls in the garage
>Must have a tile or shingle roof, in one of x-many pre-approved colors
>Building plans must be approved by the developer

The developer does that because they just paid the city a shitton of money for the land, which they eventually want to be able to sell at a profit. If the first ten homes that go up have only one or two bedrooms, gravel "lawns", and no garage, they'll have problems convincing people they want to buy the rest of the lots. But, if they require everything built to be a 3, 4, or 5+ bedroom McMansion, the resulting property values will be higher, and they'll make more money selling the lots.

>>17140966
Uninteresting post 2 of 2!

The developer doesn't want to be stuck enforcing paint colors forever, though—when they've sold the last lot, they no longer have any monetary interest in the subdivision, and they want out.

That's where the HOA comes in—the developers incorporate some kind of quasi-government of homeowners to enforce paint colors and mowing schedules after they leave. Lots of people actually VALUE that—a home is the biggest investment they'll ever make, and they don't want to risk ANYTHING that could possibly make it lose value. From what I can tell, people's biggest fear is that some neighbor, unrestrained by an HOA's governance, might paint their house PINK, demolishing the value of houses neighboring such a blight overnight.

Most of those rules are written into restrictions on the deed, and once they're on the deed, you're stuck with them. The deed is what gives you right to your property; violate them, and you're no longer entitled to it. That's what lets the HOA sue to evict you from a house you nominally own.

Those deed restrictions will also require obeying the future HOA's bylaws. Unlike other restrictions written explicitly into your deed, HOA bylaws can be changed at the whim of the HOA. But, you still have to follow them, because that's one of the conditions by which you own the property.

It's a big, fascist bag of dildos, but it's also a kind of suicide pact, or, better, a kind of mutually assured destruction. For many folks running or abiding an HOA, their home is the most valuable thing they own, and they're depending on its equity for their retirement. You fuck with their retirement (HA HA I PAINTED MY HOUSE PINK), and they have a way to retaliate in kind (your deed says "no pink houses," therefore they sue and you lose title to your house.)