Why is this car bashed in almost every professional review?

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That severely reminded me of this bullshit from autoexpress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO0ir7DPLc

Same shit but in order to get an altered result.

>4C full tank
>Not driven in Race mode (but in Dynamic instead)
>Cayman empty tank
>Tampered video montage

I'm not that passionate about Alfa Romeo but this is ridiculous, it's like professional journalists don't want people to know how good these cars are...at least when it comes to performance.

>bashed

Literally everyone praised this car over the competitors. Are you on drugs son?

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>>17019774
Well this car was bashed even before it was on the market...

Here: http://europe.autonews.com/article/20160205/ANE/160209894/alfa-romeo-maserati-get-new-tech-chief-amid-product-launch-delays

This son of a bitch of journalist, Luca Ciferri (the irony it's Italian), wrote on frebruary 2016 - 3 months before the car was on sale - that the model was failing the crash tests and basically was a piece of delayed shit.

Pic related is what a full 5 stars on crash tests looks like: the safest car of its category.

Still, people believed lies and the car was unfairly bashed.

I NEED ANSWERS

>>17019734
60 pounds matters little when comparing 3,300lb cars.
this isn't formula 1.

>>17020019
Ok but still what's the point in doing that?

The Giulia has got a 58 liters tank and a full tank of fuel adds 45 kg of weight (1 liter of gasoline weights 0,78 kg).

We're talking about 100 pounds, it's like having an extra passenger in the car.

It does have an impact, even if small, and if you want to do a scientific comparison you have to test all the cars in the same conditions: full tank or with the same exact liters of gasoline.

Even if the Giulia won, the result is not valid.

Have another drag video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4c6E77obs

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>>17019734
>(((professional reviews)))
Ask the Germans. Specially VAG.

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>>17019734
>BMW losing to Alfa again

>>17021481
Kek

>>17021481
>Alfa Romeo WTCC wins: 14
>BMW WTCC wins: 60
Ouch.

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The Giulia has bigger issues than barely winning a drag race to a car that has 66 horsepower less.
The issues are garbage build quality and a shitty interior.

>>17022723
>jalopnik

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>>17022723
>>17022738
>>17022750
>(((CONSUMER REPORTS)))
>PREPRODUCTION MODELS
>VAG SHILLING
>DELET THIS

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Literally these issues only happen in the North American market.

Isn't that strange? Why is tesla missing in the consumer reports charts?

Pic related is third world quality but why meme reports doesn't talk about it?

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/04/tesla-model-s-owner-uncovers-shocking.html?m=1

BMW fangirls confirmed as usual buttmad losers who made up things

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Model X quality.

Hey but who cares? It's a quick car meme electric and costs twice the Giulia.

>>17022911
Maybe because CR buys cars directly off the market so manufactures cant give them press ringers to test, and they havent been able to source a Tesla?

>>17022920
Consumer memes charts are based on people opinions (hence why the name CONSUMER REPORTS).

It's impossible that they don't have any feedback from tesla owners.

Their cars are famous for having any kind of problems and shitty interior quality but it seems that this doesn't bother anybody even if the cars cost more than $100.000.

>>17022911
>jalopnik, thetruthaboutcars, motor trend and consumer reports are BMW fangirls now
Lmfao deluded italicucks

>>17022723
>>17022738
>>17022750
>delet this
>>17022911
Look, FCA products have always been and still are at the bottom of ANY reliability chart.
It sucks for Alfa to be under FCA if you ask me.

>>17022950
[LIES]

>>17022962
>b-but FCA products are actually reliable!!
>don't believe biased american/british/german/spanish/australian reviewers!

>>17022961
Source of this bullshit?

>I'm American and I never saw and drove a Fiat but I trust the memes

On reliability index you'll find that they're reliability is on par with every other manufacturer, as in lords year 2017 must be because every car shares electric parts and not only from the same makers.

If Fiat makes such shitty unreliable products why didn't it fail? This is a mistery, such a universally shitty maker that keeps selling good worldwide...I wonder why people keep buying this shit.

>>17022970
>not knowing how horribly unreliable Fiats and Alfas are
Holy shit get off this board fucking newfag

>>17022989
To be fair, not many Americans will remember what Alfa Romeos were like. Any unreliable old Alfas in the US could just be mistaken for "old car problems".

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>>17022989
>>17022961

>my justification is because I said so

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>>17022935
>>17022911
Lmao mjet spotted

>>17022970
>Reviewers make jokes on horrible design choices and trim pieces literally falling off mid-review and having to switch cars because it fucking threw a check engine light
Sure. On par. Uh-huh.

>>17022970
>>17022961
>I'm American
European actually and I see Alfas and Fiats every day.
My granddad even used to own a Fiat lmao

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UK reliability study

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>>17023018
>PREPRODUCTION REVIEW
>DELET

Eternal punishment for the Arna.

>>17023055
Post the source, not the made up image.

We want to see the full study, not an extract.

>>17023025
>My granddad even used to own a Fiat lmao

Oh I see, so maybe your grand dad had a 1990 Fiat and that model can speak for both its generation and for newer fiat.

It seems reasonable anon, the evolution of quality in the years is a meme.

FCA is the sixth automotive group in the world and it happened by chance, their cars and engines were so unreliable but who gave a fuck am I right?

Opel and Suzuki (just two random makers) using multijet engines for their production is a sign of dementia, isn't it?

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>>17023055

Uk realiability study

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>>17019734
Just how fucking autistic do you even have to be to notice that

>>17023172
>autistic
>fucking close ups of the tachometer

Also, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO0ir7DPLc

It magically happens the same thing

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<--- LOOK

>>17022935
For whatever reason I thought you were talking about tests where they buy the cars, not the reliability surveys. I dont pay attention to there customer surveys anyway, seems like too much room for statistical error when comparing across brands and models.

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>>17023227
AAYYYYY

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>>17023221
The fuel consumption is impressive, considering the 510 hp.

>>17019734
ugliest fucking car ever

=V=

HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>17023257
This. Looks like a retarded owl.

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>>17023257
>=V=

HERETIC.

Oo=V=oO

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>>17023227
>Alfa Guilia QV slowest around Boxberg track in Germany
>Compared Alfa Guilia QV to a C63 AMG S and a M3 Competition

Why didn't they compare the Alfa Romeo Guilia QV to a regular C63 AMG and standard BMW M3

BMW: Mit Competition-Fahrwerk zeigt der M3 weniger Lastwechselempfindlichkeit, bleibt länger neutral. Lässt sich gut über die Bremse platzieren. 0.45,5 min

MERCEDES-AMG: Der C 63 S bringt die 700 Nm seines V8 zuverlässig auf die Straße, untersteuert jedoch mehr als der M3 – und wechselt die Gänge langsamer. 0.46,1 min

ALFA ROMEO: Schnellere Passagen wie der Linksknick auf Start-Ziel liegen dem QV, in den engen Kehren untersteuert er stark, reagiert nicht auf Lastwechsel. 0.46,6 min

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/vergleichstest/alfa-giulia-qv-mercedes-c-63-s-bmw-m3-sportlimousinen-test-11566116.html

>>17023276
You know exactly why. FUCKING GERMFAGS.

>>17023276
>Giulia QV

It's only Quadrifoglio.

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These times are not from a comparison, they're just the lap times that the listed cars scored on that track.

>>17023276
I took the screenshots from a review in the latest issue of an Italian magazine.

If you want to read the review, download the issue here: http://pdf-magazine.org/auto-maggio-2017.html

>>17022723
Did they seriously left the rear seats uncovered with the carbon fiber?

Jesus, this is a sedan, not some special snowflake supercar. Exposed carbon fiber in saloons is tacky.

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>>17023332
Literally the most stupid critic I've ever read in here.

Congratulations.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BS3fwYxhfO2/

KEK

Why are they even trying?

I love this car.

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>>17022970

>>17023227
>7 second difference between M3 and QV
>same lap time as M4 GTS
Holy shit does anyone believe those times? and people are claiming German reviewer times "biased"
Or maybe they used thesame tuned car from the Nurburgring video

>>17023445
>consumer reports

We still don't give a fuck

>>17023446

So German times are ok but this lap time, more believable since this car did run several seconds faster on the Nurbugring than almost all cars (except the M4 GTS), suddenly is bullshit.

/o/ logic

>>17023461
Motor Trend tested the M3 vs the Giulia, at one track the giulia was quicker by a few miliseconds, on the other it was slower by a few miliseconds.
Those are believable lap times, not a complete BS like 7 seconds. Maybe they tested it against the 10 year old E92 M3.

>>17019734
Maybe don't go to trash tier journalists and instead read something like EVO

>>17025558

>I only trust Jeremy Clarkson with my automotive journalism needs!

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>>17022961
>Look, FCA products have always been and still are at the bottom of ANY reliability chart.
>It sucks for Alfa to be under FCA if you ask me.
kek, I think you mean Audi and BMW are at the bottom

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>>17022961
>Look, FCA products have always been and still are at the bottom of ANY reliability chart.
must be why the top brands all use Magneti Marelly electronics

>>17023332
>Jesus, this is a sedan, not some special snowflake supercar.
but anon, it's both
fastest sedan IN THE WORLD around the Nürburgring track. Not even Porsche can touch it.

>>17023353
Beautiful. This is what passion and soul looks like.

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>>17026424
>bentley

>>17026471
kek I love how italicucks are claiming how it's an awesome victory over the Panamera by setting a faster ring time.
Congrats you beat a 2 ton F-segment land barge with a modified car lmao.

>>17026537
>Congrats you beat a 2 ton F-segment land barge
That landbarge was the fastest sedan in the world, BMW fangirl. Not my fault your shitty M3 can't even touch the Panamera Turbo. Stay cucked, faggot.
>with a modified car lmao.
That was the Panamera, it even had a cage.

this one is for the toilet-kin, the absolute DIESEL SCUM small man with even smaller ideas. im finding it difficult to deal and speak with my diesel fiat loving son on a day to day basis hed rather be """going wonderlust levels of HAM""" at the local Blue Man Group show at the expense of my life insurance. he wants to make my death look like an accident so that he can claim the money and go watch Matilda on Ice with impunity. the absolute SHIT LIPS this activity is nothing short of sneaky, i never knew my pinto loving spawn would turn into this monster, this reptilian lizard kin son of a bitch.

as i type this im in the electronic section of Giant Tiger and getting in tune with my inner "rogue pixels" so that i have a sturdy defense against my son named Michael Jet (mjet for short"

have i failed as a father? yes and no. i bought him the 1.3 digger mobile in automatic to teach him temperance and respect for the samurai code, you start low and aim high, but like most corrupt defective boys he'd rather just identify as THE GOLD FACE instead of dealing with me directly. i have to deal with THE GOLD FACE as proxy. these are his crimes who will take him in

fucking absolute scum

>>17026562
Fucking retard italicuck the Panamera never, ever was the fastest sedan in the world.
It was the fastest sedan on the Nurburgring.
And if you knew shit about cars you would easily tell by the Giulias nurburgring video that the car is far from stock, hopping around curbs like a DTM car.
But you obviously don't know shit about cars since you're unironically defending a horribly unreliable, horribly overweight V6 automatic sedan built by FCA.

>>17026622
oh and I forgot to mention: Giulia QV comes with R compound semi slicks as standard which adds greatly to grip, handling, overall track performance, i.e a simple way to make it faster
No German saloon comes with semi slicks from factory

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>>17026562
>giulia
>fastest sedan
Lel
is this nigger serious

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>>17026718
>can't even beat a 5 year old 430hp M3
Ouch lmao

>>17026718
>>17026728
>being this assmad about a number starting in 7 and ending in 32

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>>17019734

It's 2017... You need more than a V6 Camaro or Mustang power to weight ratio to impress anybody. This isn't fucking Italy.

>>17026738
Porsche, BMW and Benz have faster stock cars on the Ring than the modified Giulia.
Ring times are pointless ifthe car can't beat its competition on a same day same condition head to head track battle

>>17026809
>modified Giulia

Kekkeroni anon.

Day after day a new excuse pops out.

>day #638: the Giulia had autopilot during the Nurburgring record lap. I also finished the butthurt relief cream

>>17026826
>I have no clues on how cars work and I have never tracked a car.
You could have stated it shorter

>>17026809
>Porsche, BMW and Benz have faster stock cars on the Ring than the modified Giulia.
>implying the good german bois run stock cars and the big bad italians who touched you in a bad place run modified cars that are closer to a race car than to the stock model
kek
>Ring times are pointless ifthe car can't beat its competition on a same day same condition head to head track battle
top kek, that's not how records work

>>17026834
>clue* shit.
>>17026836
>a record breaking car performs like shit IRL
Lmao

>>17026826
>day #1546: the only reason the Germans can't beat the Giulia is because Germans don't have access to a superior master race Italian pilot with balls of steel and divine driving skills handed by Giovanni Manuele Fangio himself while he was channeling his spirit during a track session

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>>17026844
>it was real in my mind

>>17026892
SPICY/10

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>>17026844
>daydreaming.mp4

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There are actually people who hates Alfa Romeo.

Shockingly pleb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?ebc=ANyPxKpbUfOdEkeO09xq4zGQm_V5Ms0uPGlvaHBQL7y96eY4z_DKGWjDUoq20Hoc_n1WRNHxlUi7&v=__XmFwRiC38

How much $$$ for this beauty?

Are carbon ceramic a meme for daily drive?

>>17029477
it costs starting $74k lmao
74 grand for an unreliabe, overweight autotragic V6 sedan with a cheap interior
No wonder it does not sell in America

>>17023025
in the emergency lane, that is

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>>17029512 (you)
>>17029535 (you)

Please, point out on the doll where did the Italians touch you.

>>17019734
It's ugly, overpriced, not available with a manual in the US, and it's a fucking fiat

>>17029616
For $1200 I say it's "Memes"

>>17026871
>Hans Stuck
>Michael Schumacher
>Sebastian Vettel
>Walter Röhrl
Tell me more how we have no drivers you assmad italian cuck.

>>17029714
but it is overweight and overpriced.

>>17030438
>"Things that people would say about my wife"

>>17030265
Hans Stuck, now thats old school. I would even consider Hans-Joachim Stuck an oldie(maybe my favorite german racer).

>>17019734
Well it is pretty awful to look at. I think you're a paranoid italiboo and are conspiracyfagging over this

>>17029512
>autotragic
>America is the world
lol fucking burgers
enjoy having the government keep you away from fun manual cars

>>17029616
>not available with a manual in the US
I guess FCA realized that since the average burger can't drive you can't sell cars meant to be driven in the US
"driving" an automatic isn't driving, it's merely directing

>>17030265
>german excuses
All those drivers and no one can drive some of your cars and beat the Giulia? I guess you'll say it's because they can't channel Fangio's spirit, since according to you your cars are superior and so are your drivers.

>>17029266
gorgeous, however it looks like a pre-murder scene from a 70s road kino

>>17031170
>road kino
>implying road movies are good

>>17033200
Spotted the pleb

-It's way overpriced.

-No service record in US of reliability

-It looks like ass for a Alfa

Don't over think things.

>>17034959
>memes, memes and memes
Figures

>>17034959
>it's way overpriced

Explain this and suggest a better price.

>>17035799
it should be priced the same as the standard c63 and standard M3, i.e about $10-15k cheaper.
FCA just wanted the QV to look more ''exotic'' hence the price increase

>>17035814
Nürburgring and interior design say otherwise. So does the Ferrari-based engine.

If every professional hates it, maybe they have a point

If you're so emotionally involved in the quality of the car that you need to find evidence to why it does NOT suck, you're probably wrong

>>17035814
>FCA should gift me a carbon roof, a hood and driveshaft, plus all the standard interior features and goodies which are basic optionals on the M3 and C63 and on top of that they should price the car on the same level of the entry models of their opponents which have way less hp.
>I swear to god we are supposed to pay more money for the exotic factor

/o/ logic.

>>17036664
But they don't.

Every reviewer say that the Giulia is a great car and very exciting to drive, at this point considering all the odds the scumbag reviewers proceed to bash the car insisting mostly on supposed "poor build quality" (which is absolutely not true) and memes.

The ones who have been paid more money also said that the car is inferior to the M3 because of the drive feeling.

In this scenario we have 100 reviews who say Diametrally opposite things and you know that this is fucked up.

98% people say the Giulia has a telepathic steering while the M3 feels artificial and nervous, but magically in the end the M3 is superior according to some of them. Why?

Having a shitty steering is a huge defect in a sports sedan and driver oriented car.

The /o/pinions on this car, according to this board, are of the same level.

One says white the other says black...

Of course the imperative is not to trust BMW faggots, so it's easy to spot a fact instead of a made up (((fact)))

>>17036717
this

>>17036683
The problem is, the Giulia is worse equipped than the standard C63/M3.
You have to pay extra for full leather seats etc.
>>17036640
good interior design does not matter if the interior has been poorly built.
>>17036717
in many reviews it is noted that the Giulias steering lacks feel in comparison to the M3.
Also the giulia has literally no brake feel because of brake-by-wire

>>17037599
>You have to pay extra for full leather seats etc.

Oh I see...Poltrona Frau leather + top tier alcantara is not enough as standard, isn't it?

If you pay more you get the full Poltrona Frau leather covered carbon seats.

This is another of the most pathetic excuses ever to bash this car...the Ferrari F40 had cloth covered carbon seats, I assume this is a bad thing for you, isn't it?

>good interior design does not matter if the interior has been poorly built.

True, but this is not the case as the car is well made.

>in many reviews it is noted that the Giulias steering lacks feel in comparison to the M3.
Also the giulia has literally no brake feel because of brake-by-wire

Every review states that the Giulia has a superior steering feel and a direct command while on the M3 I can read that the steer is heavy, artificial and lacks feedback. While this doesn't imply that the M3 has a bad and imprecise steering, one can say that when you use the word "telephatic" for describing the Giulia Quadrifoglio steering (note that the same goes for the NON Quadrifoglio Giulia) you're saying that the Giulia has the best steering...but you know, when you get paid/corrupted you don't have to be coherent anymore.

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>>17038213
>Also the giulia has literally no brake feel because of brake-by-wire

t. my opinion™

First link on google when searching "Giulia Quadrifoglio brakes feedback":

https://www.motor1.com/reviews/127060/2017-alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-first-drive-review/

>Feedback from the brakes, by contrast, is stellar. They’re a little eager on initial tip-in but the pedal is fantastically firm, with very little give or travel even when you dig in deep. Like the best Brembo-equipped rivals, modulating deceleration requires only the slightest movements of your toes. But the brake-by-wire system has the same downside as brake-by-wire hybrids and EVs: at low speeds, like when you’re pulling up to a stop, the pedal suddenly feels vague, making it tough to accurately judge how much force you need below, say, 15 mph. It’s a small thing to which most drivers will adapt after the first few days of driving.

>>17037599
Nice try shill, good thing italybro already debunked your bs for me

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>>17037599

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>>17035814
It's worth $9,999 less.

Atleast. These things are being sold at my local Ferrari/Lamborghini/Maserati/Mclaren dealership in downtown.

Bullshit Alfa Romeo is in that same league.

>>17039235
Awesome, is this italybro? Another masterpiece.

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>>17039967
>Bullshit Alfa Romeo is in that same league.
only to badge whores

>>17038240
re-read what you posted again dumbass
there is literally no brake feel
Also you can't feel when ABS is kicking in when driving fast.

>>17022913
Dayum! Thats turrible

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>>17022989
>letting memes dictate your life

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>>17041703
""""memes""""

>>17041706
>Chevy more reliable than Honda
I think these statistics might be flawed. One thing that this graph doesn't include is the severity of the problem. For instance, there are many complaints about Hondas eating oil and wearing brake pads faster, but these are minor issues compared to something like head gaskets or oil seals. I still agree that Fiat and Alfa suck though. Also with Dodge it's more dependent on the engine type. Their pentastar and hemis are pretty good (which is why they are switching all of their vehicles to them), but anything else is trash.

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>>17041706
I'm sorry anon I can't find tesla.

Could you please point out where it is on that chart?

I never saw an FCA car having these issues:

>>17022911
>>17022913

Did (you)?

>>17022989
US Fiat's, which is just the 500

Bravos, Puntos and Pandas are actually great economical runabouts.

>>17019734
Because europeans dont know how to make fast cars that are reasonably priced

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>>17041740
(They) also have the 500L and 500X.

The 500X is so good that it triggered the Germans in the same way as the normal 500 did, so that's why when you read a german comparison between the Fiat 500X and its main competitor, the Mini Countryman, you'll have a base trim 500X against a 50.000€ full optional all plastic Countryman with useless and countless gadgets so (They) can bash the Italian product where they easily win.

>poor gadget dotation (omissis: the 500X as base has a complete dotation while as usual the german product has to be equipped with standard "optionals" that should have been in a car that costs 30.000€ from the beginning)

>not so technologic (omissis: the Mini as part of BMW group is equipped by gadgets from Fiat itself aka Magneti Marelli)

>poor quality meme (have you ever been inside a mini? It's 99% plastic)

>etc.

FCA is the weapon to surpass the Metal Gear, get over it.

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>>17041743
And then the Americans wonder why their kids wrap their shitstangs around trees

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>>17042122
>faster than M4 GTS
>7 seconds faster than M3/M4
I am a fan of the Giulia but you gotta be realistic, it isn't faster than the M4 GTS.
Maybe on par with the M3 but not the GTS

>>17042398
The M3 and M4 maybe aren't equipped with the competition package.

>>17042414
Top Gear tested the non-CP M3 vs Giulia, same day same driver, the Giulia was a few 10's of a second faster than the standard M3. 7 seconds is just too much, maybe the M3/4 were tested on a wet track

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>>17042493

This is the M4 GTS review and time, let's see if I can find the M3

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dedethecollector/sets/72157674108484230/with/30280776541/

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>>17042122
Thanks anon.

>Weight with full tank of gasoline: 1669 kg

In retard measures it's 3679 lbs

The M4 GTS (which is a race car stripped of interior parts to weight less), as stated here >>17042504 weights 1606 kg.

3540 lbs.

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So, basically the Giulia weights 63 kg more than a 3 doors race car without rear seats and interior panels with carbon components and such.

Another proof that the haters need to kill themselves with their bullshits while calling this car pigfat.

>>17042398
That track is Balocco, where the Giulia has been developed.

>>17042668
M4 GTS is not the ''lightweight'' edition
if it was fully stripped down it would be called the CSL
also the Giulia weight is from around 1660-1720kg, depending on the equipment level

>>17019734

its because (((BMW))) understeer kids and CTS-V 6.5k redline kids have no idea about cars

(((they)))

>>17042668

The overweight BMW understeer trash is a joke compared to just about every car it competes with.

People say muh best mid-tier track car and yet its gearbox is a fucking joke lmao

>>17043052
>>17043062
wow you seem very educated on cars
please enlighten us, what do you drive?

>>17043081
(((BIDF))) shills are here lmao

>>17043107
Budapest International Documentary Festival?

>>17041730
this, you can't count a burnt bulb as something equal to a broken water pump

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>>17042131
kek

>>17042122
this is so beautiful it brought tears to my eyes anon

>>17042140
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MADMAN
made me spit my drink kek

>>17043062
>BMW
>understeer
If you're trying to falseflag as a mentally challenged person you better make it clear which side exactly you're cosplaying.

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>>17023276
GET FUCKED NIGGER

The only reviews in which the Alfa is strangely slower than Bmw and Mercedes are from German magazines as usual.

https://www.topgear.com/videos/chris-harris-drives/2016-top-gear-speed-week-special-chris-harris-red-bull-ring

Chris Harris said in this video that the Giulia is CLEARLY faster than the M2 and M4 GTS so >>17023227 is real, unlike the German faked laps.

Just watch the video above and think about the fact that as standard the M4 GTS is equipped with semi-slick Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2.

The Giulia is a fucking monster car. PERIOD.

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>>17044042
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>transmission is accurate and rapid
>fabulous engine
>rabidly quick and light steering
>brakes could use more feeling
>there's not much like this on sale

GET FUCKED HATERS

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>>17044201
kek
>>17044210
That's what you get with a platform called "Giorgio"

>>17044042
>the only reviews in which the alfa is slower than the m3 are german
But that is false since the M3 beat the Giulia in Motor Trends review (American) and in the C63 vs M3 vs Giulia motoring.com.au review (Australian)
The Giulia was 0.2 seconds faster than the base M3 on the Top Gear review, HOW can it be faster than the M4 GTS?
Do italiniggers seriously believe this shit?
Also the Giulia QV comes on semi slicks as standard, the M3/C63 do not.

>>17044079
>it might not have the lap times of an M3
Kek, saved indeed

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>>17044042
>giulia is faster than M4 GTS
Lmao sure it is italifriend

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>>17044390
Don't blame me, Chris Harris said that.

Also, let's see the Giulia times there:

>Hockeneim = german review --> discarded
>Eboladrome = see pic related --> discarded
>Nurbugring = ok
>Saschsenring = german review --> discarded

>>17044456
still more believable lap times than this italian review lmfao
>>17042122
you have to be clueless on cars to believe that the m3 is 7 seconds slower
or that the gts is slower on track

>>17044354
http://www.caradvice.com.au/540899/european-sports-sedan-comparison-alfa-romeo-giulia-qv-v-bmw-m3-competition-v-mercedes-amg-c63-s/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RqLX7BKN1M

>>17044490
>you have to be clueless on cars to believe that the m3 is 7 seconds slower

The level of denial and butthurt is legendary

Maybe is a non competition package car? :^)

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>>17044542
Confirmed for non competition package on the Auto magazine review.

7 seconds slower is embarassing, but still is the "entry level" M3 versus the "entry level" (and the only one) Giulia Quadrifoglio.

>>17044533
M3 was fastest of the bunch.
>>17044542
>denial
it's just ridiculous how italians are outright lying about their cars
sure it's a paid review but they aren't even trying to make it look credible lmao.

>>17044561
>lying
sperg more. 7:32

>>17044561
and it's 7:27 for the GTS
yet italians are claiming that the Giulia is faster
blatant lies, pathetic.

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>>17044561
>it's just ridiculous how italians are outright lying about their cars

You're the one in denial.

The [Italians] are the first ones to shitpost IRL against Alfa Romeo and praise/buy everything that comes out from Germany, included their lies.

Italy was and is the only country where VAG group every month has a "+" symbol near the number sales after the dieselgate and also when it was happening...

Still this doesn't change the fact that every single reviewer said that this car is a masterpiece and would buy over an M3, also Chris Harris which is not the first idiot you see here said that the Giulia is INDEED faster than an M2 and M4 (see the fucking video) and you have the whole situation explained.

This car has been praised worldwide, even in the same reviews that in the end alter the final votations and lap time.

>>17044581
The GTS was driven by a professional and it's a race car while the Giulia is a standar sports saloon driven by a guy dressed with a polo and jeans, he also did a mistake and lose time in the official video.

They didn't record and try thousand laps, they were ok even with the 7:32. That time could have been lowered.

>>17044595
Not counting the fact that the M4 is a 3 doors coupè and not a saloon.

Doing the proportions that Bmw costs 178.000€ and is only good for driving in a track while is indecent IRL driving.

The Giulia IS superior as a whole car, the GTS is a nice track toy...but that's it.

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>>17044583
Chris said that it's faster than the M2/M4 on a straight line.
on Top Gears it beat the 5 year old base M3 by a fender, that's really nothing to gloat about, And again, 80 more advertised bhp, R-compound tyres, It's nothing to get excited about, Is it great car? Hell yes Is it a better car? Who knows, Is it a faster car? Questionable.
When you spec the M3 to the same price point of the Giulia you get the M3 Competition Package which is faster than the Giulia on track.

>>17044595
Lmao
>>17026871
"a guy in a polo shirt"

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>>17044647
>you get the M3 Competition Package which is faster than the Giulia on track.

but it isn't unless the time as been taken by a German / German owned magazine, m8.

>>17044674
it is when the time has been taken by an American or Australian owned magazine though.
http://www.caradvice.com.au/540899/european-sports-sedan-comparison-alfa-romeo-giulia-qv-v-bmw-m3-competition-v-mercedes-amg-c63-s/
https://youtu.be/T0wg4CdATJk?t=8m55s

>>17044595
>he also did a mistake and lose time in the official video.
and he drove with a tire that lost air

>Still trusting big names review

They are paid to give you a message.

>>17044595
You can see that the 7:32 time setting car has been modified.
Hopping nurburgrings curbs like a DTM car. The standard Giulia Q suspension is not as hard

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>>17044674

Fixed the gif for making it more suitable to the situation

>>17044583
kek is that Marchionne?

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>>17044716
>the car has been modified
>you can tell by some of the pixels of the video

>>17044716
It's called race mode retard
You probably saw videos from the shills "testing" it in dynamic

>>17044727
>I have never watched racing
>I have never been on a track
Kys

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>>17044726
Nope, he's Lorenzo Ramaciotti (currently FCA designer) and yes he's beautiful.

He designed modern Alfa Romeo such as Giulietta, 4C and the Stelvio. Also Maserati Ghibli and Quattroporte.

Some of his works:

>Ferrari 456 GT
>Ferrari 550 Maranello
>Ferrari 360 Modena
>Ferrari F430
>Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
>Peugeot 406 Coupe

>>17023255

The engine is large enough to cruise without boost and torquey enough negate boost lag.

Truely a good engine

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>>17044739
>Kys

pic related is (you)

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>>17044721
I swear the Alfa Romeo memes are the best here

>>17044721
fucking kek

>>17044752

>Ferrari 456 GT
ehhh, I like how the hood wraps around in front of the lights and to the beltline but overall boring car
>Ferrari 550 Maranello
perfectimo, muy passione
>Ferrari 360 Modena
Soapbar, not bad looking but forgettable
>Ferrari F430
Worse version of 360, just looks like an overweight 360
>Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
Terrible soapbar disaster
>Peugeot 406 Coupe
Looks like an Accord

QPs look good. Overall I give him 5/10

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>>17044920

He was also responsible for pic related

>>17044752
how can you bash the 360 and praise the 550? They are very similar looking
>>17044966
wtf i hate ramaciotti now

>>17045007
>how can you bash the 360 and praise the 550? They are very similar looking
They may have a similar design language (so do the other cars in the list) but the proportions are completely different, they look nothing alike

>>17044966
The Enzo is much better looking than people give it credit for, pictures don't do it justice, especially from the back, but there's some wonky stuff like the nose and windows that you have to wonder who signed off on

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>>17045088
>hidden volkswagen logo

AYYYYYYYYYY

>>17045043
>The Enzo is much better looking than people give it credit for, pictures don't do it justice, especially from the back, but there's some wonky stuff like the nose and windows that you have to wonder who signed off on
looks like shit from the front and sides
worst anniversary car by far
F40>LaFerrari>F50>Enzo

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>>17019734
>make a top tier car in all aspects
>shit on your consumers at the last moment by only offering a slushmatic in the UK and US markets
Get fucked Alfa.

>>17045896
Not their fault the average burger's driving skills are disabled-tier

>>17045896
>offer manual
>no one buys it because all manual shitters are poor

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>>17046005
more like
>offer manual
>no one buys it because burgers can't drive anything a disabled can't
I guess I can understand them though, obesity can amount to disability sometimes

>>17046056
kek

>>17045088
apex kek

>>17019818
This is what safety looks to you?

Why aren't the side curtain airbags deployed?

>>17049752
Stop it already, you're not talking about a 2 stars Euroncap Ford

>>17049752
>Why aren't the side curtain airbags deployed?
because they took them off after the crash?

>>17049952
The owner of that car crashed it on the way back to home just after collecting the NEW car.

He was driving with hai son and had the incident rolling the car N times.

After the incident the man went back to the Alfa dealer and made a deposit for a new Giulia.

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>>17049990
Sounds like a Volvo story. Beautiful.

>>17045896
One of the Motor Trend guys (or was it R&T) theorized that the last second change was because the clutch pedal was fucking up crash test dummy legs in the NHTSA test, so they had to move to the autobox.

>>17049990
Is there anything FCA can't do?

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>>17050643
When FCA will definitely BTFO Audi and VAG then they'll even have cured cancer.

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>>17050679
Beautiful.
>captcha
funny to see my meme country in it

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>>17019734
>Why is this car bashed in almost every professional review?
That's what "professional reviewers" (aka influential shitposters for hire) do.

>>17019734
US regulations made it ugly and prevented it from getting a manual there so butthurt burgers shitpost in retaliation

Yesterday I saw one of these.
Actually thanks to all the massive shill of the last months here I was able to recognise it from the sound as it was approaching from the distance, and then it passed near me.
My heart was beating for the excitement for whatever the fuck reason.

What have these threads done to me?

>>17019734
I'm beginning to think Giuliatards are the Trumptards of the auto world.

Seriously quit whining so goddamned much.

>>17052165
>whining

Didn't you understand that they do this on purpose? Their marketing game is strong.

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>>17052141
>What have these threads done to me?
Pic related
>>17052165
>I'm beginning to think Giuliatards are the Trumptards of the auto world.
We truly are, we fight fake news and we have the best memes, because they are made by genuine supporters and not astroturfing paid shills.
>>17052205
This, VAG has journos in their pockets.

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>>17052141
>Actually thanks to all the massive shill of the last months here I was able to recognise it from the sound as it was approaching from the distance, and then it passed near me.
I haven't had the pleasure yet, I'm jelly af of you right now
>My heart was beating for the excitement for whatever the fuck reason.
That's how Passion and Soul™ feels like.
>if emotion made a car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyM9ok6Z3PY

>>17052556
Damn, I watched it again after posting it and it gave me goosebumps. Fucking Italians know how to titillate the senses.

>>17052141
>What has Alfa done to me?
FTFY
>We're in the realm of sensations, passions, things that have more to do with the heart than than the head.
Orazio Satta Puliga - Head of design, 1946

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xHBYO7m4M4

>>17052547
>Pic related
ayyy

>>17052556
>YouTube video
>Alfa Romeo USA
>Manuel Giulia shown
>Can clearly see the shift stick
>They only get the automatic

TOP ZOZ

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>>17053997
DELET IMMEDIATLY

>>17053997
kek, FCA does it again!
burgers trolled into heros

>>17052547
>we fight fake news
>yet alfistas believe biased and paid italian reviews >>17042504
Do you realize that the M3 has a much faster and better DCT transmission with launch control. It helps greatly for 0-60 launches. Also the claimed 0-60 times are 3.8s for the Giulia and 4.0s for the M3 CP, it was a 0.2 second difference in the video, so I can't really see what's wrong here.

>>17019734
why would you compair the ats-v to the alpha when the cts-v is more similar

>>17055405
D segment

>>17052556
Those who give up their fun for more convenience neither deserve fun nor convenience.
t. ben franklin

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>>17055387
>Do you realize that the M3 has a much faster and better DCT transmission with launch control. It helps greatly for 0-60 launches.

That's why in every drag race the Bmw gets rekt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-4c6E77obs

In the video comments:

>Alex Ingram
>Funny you should say that... I was driving the M3 in the drag race - there's a noticeable gap between releasing the brake and the clutch biting before it takes off. We could've avoided that by not using launch control, but that would've made both the BMW and the Merc a little slower...

ABSOLUTELY AYY LMAO

>>17023275
[Oo=V=oO]
0/ \0

>>17055840
Another comment, from a guy with an Alpina avatar no less:
>I might be an ///M fanboy but I'll take that Giulia QV over the M3 anyday... I mean it's got an engine designed by fookin Ferrari m8!!! Edit: Just experienced the Giulia Quadrifoglio this morning; what a fucking beast. Now I'll definitely take it over the M3, anyday, even if a better M3 comes out... It's never gonna have that Italian soul!

How can BMW recover from this?

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>>17055866

They can't.

>>17055866
>BMW
>recover
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>17055866
>mfw

>>17055840
the Giulia has 80 horsepower more yet it's 0.2 seconds faster on a drag race
Lmao italian engineering

>>17058822
>faster on a drag race
that's all that matters

>>17019734
it looks terrible

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>>17058889
>this is what BMW fangirls tell to themselves to cope with the sad reality

>>17019734
I liked it up until I saw one on the streets.

I was really hoping it would be a small sports sedan like an 80's/90's Mercedes AMG or BMW M3 or maybe even a 90's/early 2000's Audi A4 size.

But it was bigger than I had hoped.

>>17030265
>Schumacher
Isn't he still in hospital?

>>17019734
>FCA

>>17060030
FIERCELY
CREATING
AUTOMOBILIES

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>>17059669
SHOTS FIRED
>>17060156
is there anything they can't do? fucking based

>>17020422
That makes sense though. Ducati was garbage until the Germans took it over and revamped it with VW quality

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>>17061580

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>>17061580
>VW quality

>>17061580
>VW quality
>diesel ducati incoming

>>17061625
>>17061649
memes aside VW makes great quality cars.

>>17061672
Thanks but I'll take a Renault instead. That's reliability despite memes. See >>17026424

>>17061691
yeah, okay if you trust meme a chart like that to be factual go ahead. I ain't saying modern renault is bad either.

>>17061697
>meme chart

http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer/Engine

>>17061706
yeah, its a fucking meme chart they base their opinion on "an everage of 100 unverified submitted reports per BRAND (not even model)" which is absolute crumbles when you are talking about the reliability of a brand.
It's also not negative towards either vw or renault so where are you going with this?

>>17061672
>memes aside VW makes great quality cars.
>memes aside

>>17046005

I would prefer the manual AWD any day

>>17061755
No manual AWD even for us Europeans.

All the Veloce models (they're all AWD) have the ZF 8HP.

>>17061848

Fuck.....

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>>17061727

Why do you FCA cuck defend a pigfat autotragic anyway? It baffles me completely.

>>17019734

great name
great ad
horrible looks

>>17065334
because it's the best FCA product along snek to be produced within the past 30 years
our local fwd diesel fiat and fwd alfa drivers now think their multijet 156 shitbox is just as good

>>17065373
>horrible looks
lol
>>17065334
>7:32
seems like the only cuck here is you with your shitty german "sports" sedans

Someone post the Alfa meme ball about making comeback of the decade and sell only 50 cars or something.

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>>17066792
I got you senpai

You know what the funny thing is? If any of you have the cash to stump out for a performance sedan, 9/10 of you would pick the M3 *EVERY* time.

You only defend the QV because it's a fedora thing to do.

>>17067225
>this is what bmw fangirls believe
top kek
I would pick the E34 over pretty much any 90s Alfa, but there's not a single sedan I'd pick over the Giulia.

>>17066727
>7:32 on the Ring
>slower than the competition on every other track on earth
very trustable lap time lmfao

>>17067294
>lap times from (((journalists))) who've been caught doing shady shit in the past like racing in dynamic mode
>wet lap times vs dry lap times
>thinking memestlaps is a valid source of information

>>17067326
slower on same day condition races even in the reviews where the Giulia "wins"
Alfisti can keep using buzzwords such as "class leading" "fastest" etc but you can't top everyone on your first try

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>>17067358
>you can't top everyone on your first try
that's where you're wrong kiddo

>>17067383
That was the second try tho, in the first one they couldn't beat Porsche.

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>>17067389
ALFA BTFO

>>17067389
It was the first try with the ZF8

>>17067389
kek
>>17067488
>excuses

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>>17044390
>M4 GTS

2 seater sedan

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>>17044390
>M4 GTS
It doesn't seat 4, it has a roll cage and water injection and it costs 130k. FCA's answer to the GTS isn't the Giulia Quadrifoglio, it's the Viper ACR for 110k.

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>>17067956

>>17068847
wow great job butchering that meme retard

>>17069457
how does it feel to be autistic?

>>17067839
>middle school grammatical mistakes
>thinks people who can afford high-end cars spend time on 4chan or care about opinions of autistic teenage poorfags
Are local alfisti literally 13 years old?

>>17070287
>middle school grammatical mistakes
Like which one? faggot
English isn't my mother tongue but I'm pretty sure there are no mistakes there.

>>17070335
Oh, I found it. I guess you're talking about "comprised by", I plead guilty. That's a mistake though, not "mistakes".

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>>17070287
Happy now Frosty?

>>17070365
>Frosty
what did he mean by this?

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>>17071036
"autistic poorfag" is something frostbyteLSX aka frosty loved to say

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>>17070287
>bmw fangirl has to bitch about grammar because she got btfo

>>17067839
Lmao retard FCA cuck did you even read what the post replies to?
According to a """very trustable Italian car review""" the Giulia is 7 seconds faster than the M3/M4 and faster than the M4 GTS and desperate italians are actually believing those lap times lmfao

>>17071664
It is lol

>>17071681
>it is
>>17044390

>FCA in charge of producing luxury cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOZnqnB6xDo

>>17071762
>doug degawker
isn't that the guy who claimed an early 00s S class was reliable?
go back to plebbit please

>>17071762
>claims it has the same switches as the dart
>shows the dart and it's obviously the same design and even probably interchangeable but at the same time different, with the most obvious thing being the chrome accents that are a different part from the buttons themselves
>proceeds to claim this is relevant
What a load of crap. Obvious shill.
This is the same kind of retard that bitches about Aston Martins having Volvo keys wrapped in leather, like, who cares. It's not where you get the parts from, it's how you use them that matters. Do you know the amount of supercars that used Citroën CX mirrors?

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>>17071762
>hurr durr muh touchscreens
>nevermind when tesla does it

>>17071777
>>17071804
>they are unironical FCA shills
I don't know the reviewer and didn't bother watching the video, but Ghibli is undoubtedly one of the worst pieces of shit for the money out there. Literally every other car in class is much better. The only good thing about owning one is the right to say "I drive a Maserati". Hopefully they will get on the right track with Alfieri.

>>17071818
>for the money
He was comparing it to preowned cars, fuck off.
>>>reddit.com/o

>>17071831
>comparing it to preowned cars
It doesn't make the car itself any better.
>le rayddit
Nice argument, friendo.

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>>17071762
I think he is right on the money in many things in that review, but I think it's bit unfair to bash that car so badly when most of the lacks in equipment have been addressed already in later production models. Also the car doesn't sync with iPhone because Apple changed it's directory system iOS 10.3 and navi hasn't been yet upgraded to take that into account. Not that I'm defending Maserati too much because I agree with Doug that it's completely overpriced for what it delivers.