>dude buy our jap crap ricer garbage thats slower than a minivan

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>>16986279
Entry level sports cars that young people can buy, upgrade and have tons of fun with. Whether it be on an open road or track.

You should stop shitposting and go out for a drive in your car (if you have one)

Oh look, it's this original thread
>>16986292
>STOP HATING BUSRIDER CHECK OUT MUH SICK MAWDZ
Oh look, it's this original post

>>16986279
They trolled you so hard lel

>>16986279
>no dsg
>no flat 6
>shit interior
>shit tires

people fall for the same meme known as the ae86

>>16986279
That's a nice color

There a thing I don't fucking understand.

This piece of shit car, that I absolutely want to buy USED because buying it new is stupidly expensive, is out since 5 years and I can't find a decent one under 20.000€ in Europe.

The ones under that sum have a fuckload of kilometers > 100.000 and/or has been riced.

>>16986292
>dude just buy our car and dump 1000's into mods that will make it unreliable lmao
When will GT86 cucks realise they bought into the biggest false economy of all time?

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>>16986279
>5 years old
>Still beat the Camaro v6, focus RS, and BMW M2 in a recent comparison

I thought it was shit guys???

>>16986321
except you forget that its extremely cheap and lightweight, and is also a rwd manual built on a good chassis

find me a modern car that fits the bill for a real car enthusiast than this one

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>>16986328
Why is this car so expensive and hold its value so good?

Everyone shitposts about it because no power and torque, slower than a diesel golf and shit.

Why???

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16986328
Stop being poor, dumbass

>>16986328
Yeah what a shit car. You can buy a non prefarted one, prefart it COMPREHENSIVELY then sell it on for almost the same as what you paid.
Everyone is dumb except you.

>>16986338
>its extremely cheap
it would be cheap if you were getting an m2, but you're not. You're getting a miata

>>16986343
No stop being an idiot.

This car before the restyling costed 26.000€ discount included and the used ones, from 2012, were sold for 22.000€.

What's the fucking point in buying used then?

I want an used one because this is the kind of car that I want to own for a bunch of years and resell for a better one, and I don't want to lose a ton of money buying the car new.

You pay 26.000€ but if you sell the car to a car saloon they'll offer you a ridiculously low amount of money, well under 18.000€ for your used GT-86...so again, why in the name of fuck are these car being sold at these high prices when used?

>>16986330
you don't have a car.

>>16986366
>complaining about market values
why does a 911R double in value in a year
why does a 60 year old ferrari that's slower than a minivan cost more than a mansion?
go be a whiny bitch some place else

>>16986366
>why in the name of fuck are these car being sold at these high prices when used?
>this is the kind of car i want to own and resell
>why does it have such good resale value
are you a troll or just fucking stupid?
buy a new one, you obviously wont lose a bunch of money when you sell it if the market value on used models is so high

>>16986372
How did you know?

>>16986391
because you're on /o/

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>>16986346
Where do you live?

I live in Europe and I can assure you that on websites like autoscout you can find the same car on sale for 1-2 years before it would be bought.

This is another episode of America = the world, isn't it?

I'm upset because this car is a total flop in Europe and it doesn't make sense this shit, why in the hell one would consider buying the car used when adding 4000€ would get him a NEW car.

New = MY 2017 , instead of a MY2013

It's a huge difference.

>pic related

>>16986339
because it's a lit car pham

>>16986336
But it's not as good as a $90K Boxster so it's shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!!!!!!!1nigge

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Huh, looks like the cheapest GT86's are still more expensive than the cheapest Caymans, really made me think.

>>16986402
So don't fucking buy it from there how hard can this be?

>>16986431
>comparing a 3 year old car with 17k miles to an 11 year old car with 115k miles
ayy lmao

>>16986431
Becuase 2006 is the worst tax year to buy used cars from in the UK, don't you know anything you stupid casual?

>>16986446
>a crash damaged car is cheap
Holy shit thanks for the info, check the milage on the car below it you faggot.

>>16986456
>he thinks people buying a fucking Porsche care about another 170 quid a year in tax
kys

>>16986460
people who buy cheap porsches care

>>16986336

By "beat" you mean they liked it better?

>>16986442
This is the most used website for selling cars in Europe and as I said this car is a flop in Europe, is rare.

If you can't find an used GT-86 there you won't find it at all, also because many cars there are sold by car dealers (you can find both private people selling their cars and new/used cars from dealers).

If you're suggesting that I should buy the car from another country in Europe I'd tell you that even if I can find a bargain then I'd fuck up with import taxes and expenses for getting the car registered with a local plate.

However, the new MX-5 is less expensive and has got reasonable prices even if it's a younger model and the used cars are few...this makes me think.

WHY DID ANY OF YOU FUCKING IDIOTS REPLY TO THIS?

>>16986511
>If you can't find an used GT-86 there you won't find it at all

This however relates to my specific country.

>>16986502
what else matters when you buy a product besides liking it?

>>16986523
>performance
>fuel efficiency
>practicality
>comfort
>amenities
>safety
>reliability
>price
>part availability
>cost of upkeep

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>>16986502
Meaning they enjoyed driving it more. Which is pretty much the whole point of the 86. Affordable rwd car that focuses on driver engagement.

>>16986523
I guess you're right but i can't help but wonder if motortrend dare say they liked an american car better than a non-american one everyone would scream shill/paid to the point where motortrend acknowledges the memes themselves and attempt to take the piss out of people who say it. obviously not the anon who just replied to you.

>>16986511
Oh it's Italy, used cars in Italy are always overpriced compared to Germany, USA, UK.
I was looking at 205 GTIs from there, most look nice and rust free but are double what they are elsewhere.

>>16986536
get off the internet mum

>>16986552
Alpha Camaro was MTs driver's car of the year

>>16986745
Fuck you.

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>>16986752

>>16986279

only people who disagree with op are salty poorfags. the thing is fucking SLOW

Real talk.

How much money would you have to drop into a GT86 to bring it to a moderate level of power? I'm not talking about making it compete with a mustang gt, but just enough power to make it worthwhile.

>>16986953

$5k probably. would need tens of thousands to get it to any respectable power level, even then would get shit on by a turbo or supercharged v8.

>>16986962
Do you get paid to post absolute garbage on Estonian steel tempering boards or do you just do it for fun?

>>16987028
Is he wrong about the cost or would it take even more money?

>>16987042
It would cost much more. $40,000.00

>>16987042
I guess it depends on his definition of a 'respectable power level'. Unless you're retarded thats 300bhp max, and that isn't going to cost you 'tens of thousands'.

>>16986953
it already has a respectable level of power for the type of car it is. not every car needs 300hp to be fun to drive but i guess your autistic brains only measure fun in hp

>>16987070
>respectable level of power
>200hp
LOL

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>>16987064
>300bhp
>respectable

literal trash

I think it's almost the right everything. What bothers me is the engine, I understand that it wouldn't have happened without subaru, but still.

>>16986953
Apparently getting an overhauled exhaust system (header, downpipe, etc.) plus ecu tune should be enough to get rid of the dip and also "wake it up". That's like 1-2k.
If you want more there's superchargers, they aren't that expensive afaik.
That said, if you drive it with the prius tires it feels lively enough (unless you go to a track, and then get left behind by everything).

>>16987084
>he says after driving a used pos econobox from craigslist

>>16987100
>all this projecting
The GT86 is slow af stock. If modded it can be something more, but you HAVE to mod it.

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>>16987085
Nice bait.

300bhp in a car weighing 1200kg, that isn't well insulated from bumps and noise, and is low to the ground, is going to feel like a missile unless you answer to the name Fatt Marah.

Oops my mistake, I forgot I was on /o/ where everyone drives Supercharged Vette's making 600lbs ft of torks.

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>>16986292
>there are young people that go $20k+ in debt for this car

KEK

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>>16987119
>feel like a missile
this has to be bait

>>16987109
200hp is more than quick enough for a driver's car. it's plenty to have fun with on the streets. having 500hp in your epek muscle car means shit when you're going the same speed on the highway as a brz

>>16987140
>t. fat ameriburger who has never been in a small car

>>16986279
I dont fucking know what I was thinking myself. Got a 2016 brz and got rid of it after 11 months.

Back to the V8 pour moi.

>>16987171
What city?

>>16987183
Ottawa

i drive a m5 and i can't stop laughing when i see one of these on the roads. usually have a loud fart can on the back making obscene noises but moving so slow. always get a big chuckle when i smoke one at the lights or speed up when one is trying to overtake

There is no demand in the coupe market. Especially the rwd entry level market.

So the price of the Toyobaru reflects this low demand.

hoon out the car to learn to drive and wear out those prius tires. then put on some proper rubber.

flash the ECU to get rid of that damn dip in mid rpm power and torx.

enjoy a wonderful driving experience.

benchracing nerds need not apply.

>>16987196
>i drive a m5
pls be an e39
post pics pls

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>>16987184
>leaf

discarded

>>16987196
nice of daddy to let you drive his car

>>16987200
>There is no demand in the coupe market
There is infinite demand from young cucks such as myself who have no need for a car as anything other than a toy so do not care what form it takes so long as it has:
1. four wheels
2. a drivers seat
3. is fun to drive

>>16987196
bread on hood

>>16987184

Why would you buy one if you live in Ontarindia? Your roads are shit.

>>16987237
so people with no money.

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>>16987164

>when you buy a brz/gt86

>>16987274
Ive always had RWD "sports" cars and its mostly fine, I know wich roads to avoid at this point.

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>>16987325
>>when you buy a brz/gt86
Feels breddy good desu

>>16987128
I know a 17 year old who just bought one.

>>16987128
>there are young people who go 60k in debt for a year of university

>>16987400

still in the denial stage

>>16986328
Europe got fucked but us has them cheap ish used.

If anyone is posting in this thread and doesn't think they're being baited by at least one other user, you should off yourself. This thread leaks from /b/ basically. The incivility is ridiculous.

>>16987578
This whole board is atrociously bad at ignoring bait

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>>16987565
It's been over 3 years. That's pretty good considering I buy a different car every year

>>16987763
how embarassing is this?

>>16987779
4 you

>>16986279
>What the fuck were Shitbota thinking?
They overestimated the sharts' ability to build on a decent blank canvas.

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>>16987551

there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they pick the right major and do internships while they're still in school

>>16987442
>I know a 17 year old who just bought one.

KEK

>>16987128
That's Americans in general and for a variety of shiny new shitboxes.

>>16987551
>muh wimmenz studies major w/ a minor in Afrikan studies

>>16986279
I know you're shitposting but I'm still gonna contribute

Coming from a guy who has mostly owned old ford trucks and a few cars, this thing looks pretty neat. I wouldn't be against owning one

>>16987200
>There is no demand in the coupe market
>Especially the rwd entry level market
What the fuck are you talking about breh? Mustang is the best selling sports coupe in the world. Mustangs are in huge demand. Unless your talking about Europe.

>>16987958
>there's nothing wrong with that

there is not a single undergrad major at a single university worth $60k a year

graduate degrees are another story.

>>16988221
50% of mustang sales are to rental fleets. mostly v6s and convertibles.

>>16988267
don't fucking remind me.

t. grad student in international relations

Kill me please.

>>16986523
MUH BENCH RACING

I got a gts (top end spec model) 20thou ks for 21k aud

It's slow but it's way more fun to drift than my commo that had as much power as an old m3

Its not worth 40k aud new i agree

>>16989020
>>16989447
>>16990041
Why did any of you idiots bump this?

>>16990082

Shut the Fuck up faggot here's another bump

>>16987779
>ha ha ha look at this cuck enjoying his car


/o/ - Auto

>>16986354
The performance of an M2? for 27k? Get over yourself. No understanding of engineering. The base MR2 SW20 when new was actually more expensive than a Toyota 86. It's pretty good bang for buck

>>16986431
>how to take a screenshot
Seriously? How retarded are you?

>>16986279

theyre good looking cars, just a shame they have Boxer engines which are about the shittiest engines Japan ever put out

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>>16991804
It's not fantastic, but it's not shit.

I'm pretty sure it's the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can buy in the States currently. I could be wrong.

>>16986279
Its marketed as a sports coupe/car what ever you wanna call it

retards buy it because they think its fast because it looks fast even though its not fast at all.

Subaru/toyota STILL won't fix that massive gaping torque dip between 3500 and 6500

Its wickedly overpriced for what you get, the smartest decision for this car is to always get used for <18k. Although buying used is almost always more economic than buying new this car in particular sucks in such a way that paying 26k for a brand new BRZ doesn't make any sense to anyone but the most stupid of people with more money than sense.

Another issue is the car is marketed as a sleak, fast, performance car to the supposed "performance market" but the car is so slow and overpriced out of the gate that theres no sense in blowing some 7k more in mods to make the car compete with its competitors like the 370Z that are already cheaper, faster, bigger better stronger in every metric right out of the gate for 29k for the sport package.

Another glaring issue is the meme that its supposedly a "light car" and that means "its very agile because of it" The problem with this meme is that the car is certainly light but the car isn't very powerful enough to take advantage of the lesser weight. It can't turn or pull around corners any faster than its competition purely and only because of its thin tires and its lack of torque/power

The last issue/meme I hate is when people say shit like "well it was meant for drifting" which is a shitty meme because the car's turning radius isn't that great nor does it have a significant amount of torque to even attempt a drift normally. What faggots seem to mistake is the difference between a drift and a shitty power slide because they think that oversteer is cool and that means this piece of shit with all-season tires is great.

TLDR
-too expensive
-not a performance car
-based on looks and advertising rather than performance
-doesn't appeal to any sort of performance market

>>16991927
Quit your bitching it's fun to drive and affordable

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>>16991927
>post yfw a chevy sonic is faster in a slalom

>>16991927
Overall, the only fags who defend it are the losers that run out of reasons and default to "muh feels" and call it fun

They only call it fun because they can't find any other reason why its good but their opinion which is based out of buyers remorse or just blatant shilling. When someone attempts to pass their opinion as an end all be all, matter of factly fact you can't attempt to challenge it without attempting to say that an opinion isn't a fact. It sounds obvious to say that an opinion isn't a fact but when you're dealing with someone who states explicitly (as if it were a fact) that its fun, any attempt against it is erroneous quite literally like arguing against a non-argument. The fun argument works no where but the most desperate attempt to justify a car's entity or premise in a field while dismissing all other disadvantages as non-sequitur or out of plain ignorance

>>16991954
case and point

>>16991974
>anyone that says a car is fun to drive is misinformed shill
Wew, take it easy with that insecurity anon. Why can't people enjoy their cars without angry fucks like yourself

>>16991969
Why should your opinion matter, You drive rusted trucks and shitty base civics?

>>16992006
its not opinion m8

feel free to google it as i blow past in my glorious sanic

also its not even a base model civic it has AC and a stereo

>>16991995
No I'm saying that "its fun" isn't an argument worth any value or contribution.

Using it like a fact is erroneous and fallacious. It doesn't actually mean anything. Its based on nothing, not even based on conjecture. Its made up of ignorance and arrogance to deny any and all disadvantages because apparently they don't matter unless I suddenly default to the "its fun position" then nothing matters

Like a pigeon playing chess with a chess master, the pigeon will strut around on the chess board, take a shit and proclaim victory

>>16992018
What car do you drive and how EXACTLY would you describe it to a possible buyer or interested person

>>16992028
my DD is a Honda Civic Si

I would describe the Honda Civic Si as a well rounded performance based trim that greatly differs itself from the regular honda civic. The Si bolsters itself with a much larger more powerful engine paired with a stiffer stronger suspension will make the Si perform much more sharp and light than its lesser variants. Mix this with its close-ratio 6 speed makes the Si perform and accelerate much quicker and respond better than the regular LX manual and even better so against the CVT version which desu is sluggish due to the variability of the transmission even in its "sports mode" which is just a screamer switch. Drivers will notice the car's superior handling and power which will show its raw agility through turns as it doesn't lose any torque or power thanks to its LSD making it a great contender as a performance spec vehicle for a performance spec market.

>>16992018
>No I'm saying that "its fun" isn't an argument worth any value or contribution.

So there is no worth in owning a car that is enjoyable to drive? The only things that matter are lap times, acceleration statistics, and other measurable metrics?

I'm sorry, but this is false.

>>16992047
That's shit literally everyone knows, of course the SI has upgraded engine and suspension you moron it's STILL a civic. Too bad fun isn't something you can say it is because FWD

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>>16992056
>he doesnt know how to have fun in FWD
>not using weight transfer for sikk skids that you can pull out of with throttle


whats it like being a shit tier driver?

>>16992062
What's it like being a boring shitbox owner?

>>16992052
>So there is no worth in owning a car that is enjoyable to drive?
No I'm saying that faced against all adversity, the person who defaults to the "its fun" argument does so based out of ignorance and disregard for all facts. He only justifies the car with "its fun" and nothing else. Why is it fun? Certainly a person who thinks its fun has SOMETHING to base it off of. But they don't, and they never do ever explain how a car that has huge performance issues, a lack of agility due to its anemic performance will somehow make up and justify it anyway just to either go against the grain and be ignorant.

>The only things that matter are lap times, acceleration statistics, and other measurable metrics?

No I didn't say this at all. I said that when retards claim its fun, they base it off of literally nothing. Its a claim and opinion of ignorance thats stood up as if it were fact.

>>16992056
Notice how I didn't use ANY subjectively based anything in that short paragraph. It was all objective, based on fact. I can certainly say that my car is fun to drive based on all those facts.

Its fun because it has great agility due to its suspension. Its fun because it has a powerful engine that bolsters its performance. Its fun because the LSD enables torque to the dominant wheels to maintain maximum traction and slippage is minimal which also contributes to its ability to take corners very fast.

>>16992069
feels good mang.

only need 138hp and good suspension to enjoy the TOEGAY

>>16992074
>Civic SI
>Powerful engine
Thanks for the laugh, too bad you have a boring sedan seating position to go with that too. The shit you are mentioning is everything the 86 is/does even better than a riced Civic econobox

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>>16992062
>TFW I don't want any car on earth right now more than a Fiat 500 abarth
Ultimate Italian shitbox

>>16992047
The Neon SRT4 performs better than the Civic Si in every category and is cheaper, and easier to get more power out of. It also has an LSD. Why didn't you buy that instead?

>>16992086
>Thanks for the laugh
makes more power than the BRZ does you stupid faggot.

>boring sedan
its a coupe

>seat positioning
its virtually the same as the BRZ, I can lower my seats to be more flat if I really wanted to. Jesus christ you're retarded

>everything you mentioned the 86 does better
the Civic Si with the 2.4L engine is better than the 86 in every way. Its faster, more agile, accelerates quicker, has a better suspension objectively, its 4k cheaper, has a WAY larger third party market and everything.

>>16991974
This and >>16991927
Are the best posts explaining the gt86. Someone needs to just screen cap these posts and post them in every gt86 thread so we don't have these threads anymore.

>>16992095
>dodge anything
I want my transmission to last longer than 30k miles

>why didn't you buy that instead?
because I liked the civic si more. I enjoy the modern feel of the cluster, I like the clutch which is very linear and light. I enjoy how easy it is to work on since all the civic parts from the last decade and well into the previous decade as well. Ease of use, minimal maintenance and my general preference for Hondas from previous Hondas I've owned made it a desirable choice for me

>>16992103
The Civic is heavier,cheaply made, ugly in coupe form,slower, and FWD. Lowering your seat doesn't give you a better seating position with those trash seats

>>16992120
>I enjoy the modern feel of the cluster,
Modern look of the cluster, feel makes no sense here.

>>16992103
>its virtually the same as the BRZ, I can lower my seats to be more flat if I really wanted to. Jesus christ you're retarded

You say this in every thread you post in, claiming that seating position is not relevant. There is a huge difference between the Civic and FRS. Just the same as there is a difference between an Elise and a WRX.

You can only adjust the seat so much in an economy car platform like the civc

>>16986279
What minivans are faster than the 86 outta curiosity?

>>16992126

You know what's interesting?

The fact that the Civic is more heavy, has only about 20hp more, FWD, 4 door but can still post a decent Nurburgring lap time.

Get over your shitty RWD Corolla.

>>16992120
The 86 is reliable and easy to work on too, which is why people like it.

The clutch, transmission, braking, and steering feel great, which is another reason why people enjoy it.

The Civic is a shit car on paper, but is fun to drive and cheap to maintain which is why you like it

>>16992165
Don't worry anon, I'd be upset if an SI was all I could afford too

>>16992126
>The Civic is heavier
and still takes turns way faster than the brz, the agility is superior in the civic even though its about 400-500lbs heavier. Go figure. Maybe you'd understand what agility is and that its not all based in weight

>cheaply made
another bullshit claim you pulled out of your ass?

>ugly
lol your opinion
>slower
its definitely NOT slower than the BRZ, the Civic Si accelerates much quicker because it has a lot more torque than the brz through the middle of its RPM's unlike the BRZ that actually LOSES torque

>MUH SEATING POSITION
jesus christ you're retarded. I can lower my seat to 5-6 inches off the floor and fully adjust everything about the seat including the cushion's angle so its not parallel with the floor. I can literally put it into ANY position the BRZ can and if you're whining over where an ADJUSTABLE seat is you've got more problems than just autism

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>>16986279
I literally could not be happier with it.
>>16986321
>>shit tires
Who cares, I put UHP tires on it, made a world of a difference.
>>16986328
Paid less than € 18,000 including a set of winter tires, second set of OEM wheels and the new tires. Barely 30,000km and looks like new, no mods.

>>16992154
>I don't think the adjustable seat position in the civic is as good as the seat position in the brz even though I can adjust it to any fucking position in the world even to an extent that the civic Si can have the same position as the brz but I don't give a fuck I'm just autistic and I'll bring up "MUH SEATING POSITION" in every thread even though it means literally nothing when I can just adjust it to any preference

>>16992174
>its a shit car because I said so

the clutch and transmission aren't the same at all. The two clutches feel totally different.

>its shit on paper
the brz is shit on paper

>>16992181
the only thing that makes the car fun is the shit tires though.

since its a slow dorifto box

>>16992165
Plus people are forgetting that it's 4k (nearly 20%) cheaper. That's almost enough for a good turbo.

>>16992194
they're generic all-seasons

you can put what ever all-seasons you want, even shitty kumhos

>>16992179
It doesn't turn better that's where you are wrong, was actually going to buy a 2013 civicSI before I got my 86 and it wasn't an enjoyable drive at all. Interior is ugly and poorly made, and yes it is slower even if it makes more power. See here for your bullshit seating position >>16992154

>>16992185
>even though I can adjust it to any fucking position in the world even to an extent that the civic Si can have the same position as the brz

This is just not true Anon. So in theory, you can adjust your civic to have the same position as an Elise?

>>16992191
>>its shit on paper
>the brz is shit on paper
They are both shit on paper

>>16992195
Leave now you chucklefuck accord owner, you have no say on anything being gifted a car by your parents not realizing what it takes to earn a penny

>>16992206
>See here for your bullshit seating position
they're both adjustable

complaining about the adjustable seat that goes up down left right and any fucking position you want vs another car's adjustable seat that goes up down left right and any fucking position you want is literally AUTISM

>This is just not true Anon. So in theory, you can adjust your civic to have the same position as an Elise?
They're fucking adjustable seats, you can put it into any position you want! Hell the civic seat moves an entire foot in either direction

>>16992222
You don't know anything about optimal seating position stop replying

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>>16992195
Oh look, it's this tripfag again

>>16992240
Oh I see its an opinion then

>the seat that I prefer is better than the seat position you prefer

you are fucking autistic

You're literally bitching about how hot you prefer your coffee against someone who has a different preference you are literally fucking autistic

>>16992243
LOL I remember this, he got BTFO by a bunch of slow 86 posters and never returned

>>16992243
>anonymous
>tripfag
what?

>>16992216
>Gifted a car by my parents
Implying kid
One of my parents died from cancer and I got their accord while I was in high school. I can buy a gt86 with my own cash right now you fag, but that doesn't mean it's a wise decision. I'm shitposting from work right now famirino, I have a full time job.

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>>16991796
>Not getting the joke

>>16992243
>ads

>>16992254
>one of my parents died from cancer
Must of been all you're shitposting instead of helping out

>>16992263
you quoted the wrong person

>>16992267
Simple mistake

>>16992222
>They're fucking adjustable seats, you can put it into any position you want! Hell the civic seat moves an entire foot in either direction
I can't even take you seriously after this comment

>>16992263
>Must of

>>16992275
>oh my god
>this guy's opinion on what his preferred seating position differs from mine, I just can't handle it, reeeeeeeeeeeee

you're autistic. Put the fucking seat where ever you want it

>>16992263
Lol got me bruh, really rustled my jimmies with that one. And also >>16992249
>>16992243
>Got BTFO
More like a bunch of gt86 faggots with buyers remorse wouldn't say anything besides "muh fun" so I left. See >>16991974
No point in arguing with brainwashed cucks who samefag and keep screenshots of their own insults on their phone.
That's how you BTFO someone.

>>16992194
The only thing I hated was not being able to put the 150 whp to the ground in bad conditions. Taking every single corner sideways gets old very very fast. Now I can make the most of the power and still have fun.
...and pull upward of 1g on the skidpad.

>>16992282
Only brainwashed cuck here is you thinking people care about your boring hand me down Accord

>>16987763
can someone please edit this with the guy riding shotgun contemplating his life choices
>why did i agree to ride in this
>his lines are so nonsensical
>this guy doesnt even heel-toe
>i bet that Golf is going to overtake us on the straightway
>i wish i was at home playing Forza

>>16992295
You're the one who brought it up you monumental autist. I didn't mention it at all.

>>16992302
>Permavirgin
>Calling anyone an autist
You literally bring it up on every 86 thread you dork, you are gifted a car and try to force your insecurities on others

>>16992317
>You bring it up every thread
Except the one we're currently in. You're literally the most dense motherfucker on this entire board. And don't you think it's funny that my hand me down accord from 2010 is still faster than a new off the lot gt86? Pretty hilarious if you ask me. Now begone with you idiot, take your samefaggotry elsewhere.

>>16992352
It's still a boring FWD econobox even if faster in a straight line, guess you'll never know what a light RWD car feels like being a cancerous poorfag

>>16992281
Guys my CRV has adjustable seats. It has the same seating position as a Corvette!

>>16987147
>400 mile road trip to see friends.
>too many miles on the 500hp fun car recently
>take ~240hp dd instead
>after getting gas, see 2 new mustang gt behind me on on-ramp
>fuck with me and try to start race for 5 miles
>can't do shit
>my other car would have destroyed them both
Feelz bad man

And this is why I will never own a "sports" car that can't beat 95% of the cars on the road.

>>16992352
My accord is faster than a lot of things.

Things that it is faster than:
Astro van
Fiat Punto
GMC K1500
Dodge ram van
Miata

And all of those are more fun to drive

>>16992378
So you'll just buy powerful landbardge of a challenger to furfil your insecurities of getting BTFO on an onramp?

>>16992376
No one said that you faggot

use your fucking brain the civic si and brz are both coupe size cars with coupe sized interiors, coupe sized seats and seating arrangements, both have low to the floor, fully adjustable seats that even can adjust the height above the floor

you are fucking autistic

>>16992378
I own a ZL1 and holy shit this guy is a fag

>>16987147
This was true for maybe 15 years ago but it's 2017. Even the base model $20,000 cars are coming out with ~200hp. Bump it up a few thousand and there are daily drivers with ~300hp for $30,000.

BRZs are fucking slow, lame, and terrible track cars.

>>16992404
The interior is not the same you jackass, just proof you have never sat in an 86

>>16992375
>>16992386
Here we are again
>muh fun
See >>16992018

>>16992416
>muh fun
You'll never get that out of an Accord

>>16992414
COUPE SIZED INTERIORS, not referring to what the interior is made of

holy fuck you are autistic

>>16992404
Guys my civic has adjustable seats. It has the same seating position as an Elise!

>>16992427
>if I keep calling someone autistic they will become autistic
I have driven both, can you say the same Mr. Shitposter?

>>16992437
>>16992441
you are fucking autistic

literally bitching about seating preferences

do you bitch about the steering column position too even though you can adjust it to what ever height and depth you wanna shove it up your ass?

>>16992416
I drove a 2000 accord ex for years and my current dd is an 08 v6. They are not by any stretch of the imagination fun to drive cars.

>>16992453
A shame you'll never know what it's like to drive something better than a generic Civic, I feel for you anon
>>16992457
Even a less powerful prelude is more fun to drive

>>16992453
Lol you said you enjoy your civic for its modern gauge cluster.

You have already proven that there are a lot of subjective factors that influence your feelings towards a specific car.

There is a lot that doesn't get translated into paper when comparing cars. It's why you bought a slow Civic Si over a Cobalt Turbo, and it's why some people buy a slow BRZ over a ecoboost mustang

>>16992425
Kek not if you're driving. You'll never know the g-force of taking a tight turn at 50mph while maintaining full traction, only to come out of the turn with 282hp and vtec to rocket you back up to 70 in a second (And without a factory torque dip nonetheless lmao). My point is you can have fun with any car and it's a subjective quality that can't be used to win an argument.
>inb4 no skill
It still takes knowledge of intermediate weight shifting techniques to get no understeer on a heavy ass accord going uphill. You have to make sure that too much weight doesn't shift to the back before the apex of the turn. Maybe I'll waste my time arguing with you again once you come up with an actual argument as to why the gt86 shouldn't be worth 21k at max.

>>16992398
No. I'm saying what's the point of owning a "fast" car that isn't fast?

>>16992493
It takes skill to correct oversteer, not correcting understeer. Tourquedip is irrelevant when you have rpm's up on tight turns, funny thing is I bet your accord is auto too. People who complain about the 86's price are poorfags like yourself

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>>16992493
>impying you didn't just make an argument based on fun

delusional kek

>>16992047
My 10 year old accord is faster than your si.

kek

>>16991828
Correct, you are wrong. There are 1.6s and 1.8s making that much power at crank.

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>>16987763
>>16992298
I love this car, but I couldn't resist.

>>16992572
Which ones? I'm genuinely curious?

>>16986384
This is not a ferrari nor a porsche, so he has a point

I just wonder why people on an supposed enthusiast board even care enough to be socks to each other. Just drive what you like and enjoy it for your own reasons.

I'm 32, I've technically owned about 16 cars since I was 17 (flipping). I work in the industry, I drive willow springs roughly 10 times a year. Cars are hands down the most subjective luxury out there.

I drive an old M3. Is it fast? Reasonably. Is it fun? Of course. I spent only 13k on it and spent another 800 on preventative maintenance.

It's cheaper than a toyobaru, more powerful, and more fun. Does that mean I hate toyobaru drivers? Heck no, to each their own.

>>16986328

The UK has the same problem, and also, strangely 90% of the ones for sale are automatic.

>>16992684
Autists here don't like the word "fun"

>>16986431
I wasn't sure if I was supposed to take this car seriously, but then
>£
Move along.

>>16992684
You don't have to hate toyobaru drivers, you just have to like shitposting

>>16992664
NOT THat guy and than not sure which engines but I think the k20a and f20c are some of the best 4cyl NA engingines in the world.

There are also those wenkel rotary engines too soooooo yeah

>>16986431

Not that I'm defending this, but 14 plate Toyota vs 06 plate Porsche will result in quite a price difference, plus the Porsche is gonna be way more to run.

>>16992488
Unlike "fun" which you use baselessly my preferences are actually based on something you chuckle fuck

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>US price: 25 305 dollars
>EU price: 30k euro

WUT?

>>16992744
Probably a Scandinavian country which taxes the tax of the tax.

>>16992744
emissions tax?

>>16992719
You are cancer

>>16992733
Can you even get the k20 or f20 in 2017? Which cars?

>>16992742
You know that "fun" is related to other factors right? People say it's fun because of the low COG, controllable oversteer, the sharp steering, great brake feel, throttle response, low hoodline, nice shifter, Etc.

See>>16986548

>>16992784
>throttle response
Drive something with actual throttle response then compare again
>great brake feel
Drive something with actual performance brakes, then compare again
>nice shifter
Drive something with a quality getrag 6mt, then compare again

People that use subjective factors to define why something is great just haven't experienced anything better for any period of time.

>>16992744
Its 31k € here in germany. Too expensive. Should be 26

>>16992803
>>throttle response
>Drive something with actual throttle response then compare again
>>great brake feel
>Drive something with actual performance brakes, then compare again
>>nice shifter
>Drive something with a quality getrag 6mt, then compare again


What car do you suggest?

>>16992784
I'm not sure that either are available in current production vehicles, though the last iterations were in 2011, which is coincidentally when the toyobaru debuted. I think 6 years is still well within the realm of relevance.

>>16992684
Toyobaru drivers are like Vegans - they have to fucking tell you about it whenever they get the chance. No surprise there's a pushback and some hate. /o/ was all over its dick when it was announced but when it came out and turned out to be pretty mediocre there was some disappointment and lamentation and then people moved on. That is until the Toyobaru drivers flooded and spammed LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS CAR IS GREAT, DID YOU KNOW THIS CAR IS GREAT? ITS REALLY GREAT, BY THE WAY

>>16992813
It's not a matter of which specific car, just go drive a handful of expensive performance oriented cars to see what "good" actually is. From there you will begin to understand why people get upset when others claim anything on the Toyotwins is "great"

>>16992841
>just go drive a handful of expensive performance oriented cars

>>16992841
>this food tastes good
>NUH UH YOU CANT SAY THAT UNTIL YOU HAVE EATEN MICHELIN STAR FINE DINING
Come on, nigga. I think the Toyobaru is shit but come on.

>>16992841
Going by a test drive the shifter on the gt86 is better than:

The porsches I've driven ('03 911, '01 boxster)
Friends' e36
My ZL1

inb4 goal posts

>>16992841
I've driven a lotus Elise for over a week. Does that count?

You know the whole point of the 86 is that it's supposed to be affordable new right? You can get a new BRZ for 24k. What other cars compete with steering/braking/throttle response for that price new?

>>16992841
>the 25k car isn't as good as a Porsche GT3 RS 4.0, so it's shit
/o/ being /o/.

>>16992870
>What other cars compete with steering/braking/throttle response for that price new?
Don't bother, he'll just gonna tell you most minivans do, because "the 86 doesn't even handle that well".

>>16992839
Except it's the shitposters constantly making these threads ya fool

>>16992813
I've always been a fan of the Zs. 280z, 300zx, 370z. They got a bit heavier but as far as all around JDM performance coupes, they are as cheap as it gets. It's easy to make a lot of power out of them. With bolt ons, you can get the 370z in the mid 300whps. Then just drop it and throw on lightweight wheels, and you are competing with cars in the $50,000 range easy.

Meanwhile the BRZ has trouble keeping up with minivans.

>Motorcycles
>250-600cc sportbikes are good beginner bikes and more fuel efficient than liters

>cars
>WTF DUDE WHY WOULD YOU BUY AN RWD CAR WITH LESS THAN 300HP AND NO TARBO FUCKENG KEK ILL BTFO AT THE STOPLIGHT FAGGOT

>>16992870
A civic si brand new is only 24k msrp so you can probably get one new for 22k easy

It handles better, is faster and everything

>>16992914
>civic si
>handles better
Fucking clockwork, I swear.
>>16992881 is right.

>>16992901
How much is 370z out the door? Base trim does not have LSD, keep in mind mustang gt weighs a tiny bit more and is way more powerful
>>16992914
86's can be had under 27k out the door, I don't mind spending a little more for RWD. And no the SI does not handle better and it's not faster

>>16992902
The difference is motorcyclists don't pretend their half-pint sportbikes aren't beginner bikes but toyobaru fans think the GT86 is a serious sports car

And motorcyclists sell 600s for an appropriate price on the used market while GT86s go for nearly what they did when new

>>16992901
For the price you pay for a 370z you could have a clean C6 that performs better in every way though?

>>16992940
Not him but for the extra price of the c6 you could mod an 07 350z for far better performance

>>16992902
Kek. It probably stems from the fact that riding a motorcycle has a higher bar to entry so it weeds out more of the benchracers.

Kinda reminds me of how barbell workouts weed out the pleb faggots that spend 45 min working 5 different tiny muscles on the universal machine

>>16992951
Not him but for the extra price of the modified 350z you could mod a NA Miata with a ls1 swap for far better performance

>>16992935
>toyobaru fans think the GT86 is a serious sports car
No, they think it's the closest thing to a serious sports car they can afford.

>>16992935
the miata is unironically a serious sports car

>>16992967
Not him but for the extra price of the modified NA Miata you could LS1 swap and boost a Fiat Multipla.

>>16992972
No, that would be a literal go kart.

>>16992982
Now this is shitposting

>>16992984
We're not gonna debate literal go kart vs. GT86 now, are we?

>>16992982
Not him but for the extra price of a modded Fiat Multipla you could strap 50 bottle rockets to a longboard and tear up the toegay

>>16992996
no because the gokart would win everytime

>>16992972
>skyactiv
>serious sports car

A 300 ninja is a serious sportbike too

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Today I learned the Civic Si is the ultimate driver's car for under 30k

Disclaimer: I like pretty much every car or can at least find a few things to appreciate.

>>16992881
The 86 handles well, just not amazingly.

>>16992861
If you grow up eating kraft American cheese and love it, but never experience anything better, you're bound to think what you've got is amazing.

>>16992859
Of course you're going to have to go above the price bracket to find something better, that how you key in a median for comparison.

>>16992871
Here let me help, you can still do this same thought experiment with the Toyotwins. Just add better brakes, better tores, more linear power, a nice short throw, and a better throttle body. Drive both then tell me which is better, then compare the built Toyotwin to something several price brackets above it and see if it still holds up.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just trying to help you all make educated comparisons that aren't based on subjective feels and memes.

>>16992881
Vans are comfy, one of my faves is the 97 ram 1500 with captains chairs.

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>>16992744
>>16992805
>Portugal
>Price starts at 44,420€
JUST

>>16986279
>slower than a minivan
in what circumstance retard

>>16992930
There's a 2013 370z NISMO with 25k miles going for $28,000 near me.

The sport package is only $3,000 more than the base ($29,000 new). You can pick that up for almost sub 20 grand with around 30k miles on the clock.

>>16993010
>>16992975

>>16993014
>Just add better brakes, better tores, more linear power, a nice short throw, and a better throttle body. Drive both then tell me which is better, then compare the built Toyotwin to something several price brackets above it and see if it still holds up.
>compare to something several price brackets above it and see if it still holds up
Kys you are self, retarded shitcunt.

>>16993031
There are 2013 FRSs going for close to 15k.

>>16993031
Can't do senpai, I'll take a car with 1-3k miles for a better deal but 30k+ is too many abused miles

>>16993031
You would be better off with a Cayman S desu

Nissan/Renault a shit

>>16987565
is "Denial Stage" a new season of Initial D? I can't find it anywhere

>>16993068
Implying people of /o/ can afford to buy and maintain any type of Porsche

>>16993068
>better off with a Cayman S
Reminds me of that thread where I dared the Cayman S poster to show me in a similar price range and condition as my 86. He came up with an old ugly and busted Boxster with 5 times the mileage and beige leather. I laughed my fucking lungs out of my chest.

>>16993085
Bitch I make 5 figures, it ain't nothin' but a thang.

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>>16993110
Teach me your ways senpai

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This thread is so bad. Even for /o/ standards

>>16988267
Chem e and phys have a decent chance of that pay with an undergrad. Fuck I know some mech e that make that.

>>16993047
There's a Prius going for close to 5k. Doesn't mean I want to buy one.

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>>16993309
If you bought a Prius you could at least say you touched a clit

>>16993337
What is B?

>>16993380
Bitch (little variety)

>>16993039
The idea was that you would have a basis of comparison, not that they would be the same in any of the metrics.

You need your polling pool to have opposites or the data in the middle is meaningless you uneducated shitposter.

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>niggers still arguing about this car

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>>16992594
Is it based off pic related.

>>16994466
Yeah, I wanted to make a reference to it

>>16993449
The idea was that you wanted to show it's worse than more expensive cars. Good job retard.

Don't these have awful clutches?

>>16992803
>getrag
>quality

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Price seems pretty okay, I don't know what yall problem with this car is

>>16988284
Okay, it's still the best selling sports coupe. And clearly there is a market because so many rental places buy them.

>>16996651
Their daddy's wouldn't buy one for them so they're salty

>>16991927
>"well it was meant for drifting"
I hear this a lot and I live in the US. Is there some massive drift scene I don't know of? When I think of countries that like to drift, the US doesn't really come to mind, I think Japan.

>>16996651
>I don't know what yall problem with this car is
The problem is this is 4chan.

Outside of /o/, the BRZ/GT86 are popular modding cars and have a large aftermarket as well as an active community. I personally think they are a bit overpriced for a new one, but the used cars can be had for a reasonable price and are very mod friendly.

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I impulse bought a 2013 FR-S with 55k miles for 16k and I feel like I overpaid. I rarely drive it now and mostly ride my motorcycle :(

>>16996455
The clutch itself isn't awful, but the engagement point is relatively vague/light. It takes a while to get used to. They also sell aftermarket clutch springs to make the pedal heavier

>>16996664
There is weekly drifting at Sonoma Raceway during the spring/summer

I saw it on a track this weekend.
He looked like he had as much fun as the people in the 911's.

Its for people who cant or dont want to buy a Porsche but still want a new car to have fun on a track.

Stop hating it.

>>16987119
>300bhp in a car weighing 1200kg, that isn't well insulated from bumps and noise, and is low to the ground,

Excuse me, have you ever driven something like the car you are trying to describe?

My daily is a Fairlady Z aka 350 (just an average 350z: BBK, Tein Flex Z, full exhaust, flashed ECU, MT, lightweight rims and decent tires). It's fucking slow.

I mean it's really sloooow.

For real.

You have to have at least 400-500whp for an 1200-1400kg car to have fun.

If getting such car is way over your budget then go get a 600cc track bike and spend what's left on gear and track days and tires.

Much better investment, TONS and TONS of fun. Being there, done that. ;)

>>16996664
You hear it a lot because idiots think the shitty all seasons tires it comes with must mean it's meant for drifting when really these thin shitty tires don't give you good grip for things like agile and high speed cornering. So it's almost a contradiction really

>dude it's so light meant to go around corners quick!
>dude shitty tires no grip meant for drifting

When they say meant for drifting they mean he tried to take a turn at a stop sign and power slid all the way through because he did something retarded like weld the differential

>>16996356
Of course it's worse than more expensive sport cars, that's literally the point of a basis of comparison, I don't know how you can be this dense. I'm not saying that people shopping for this should suddenly start looking at 80 thousand dollar cars, I'm saying the people who think this car is use drive more 80 thousand dollar cars so they have a BASIS OF COMPARISON.

You are pants on head, fingers in eyes retarded.

>>16996953
Your Z isn't 1200kg

>>16996953
350Zs were the original BRZs when they first came out. They looked nice, like a performance car, but were absolute snails on the road. The HR motor gave it a little bit of life to where it was almost enjoyable. 370z seemed to fix that. 350hp in a relatively lightweight coupe should be the bare minimum in an entry level performance car. Then Toyota came around and decided they were going to build a sports car but for toddlers and we know have the BRZ.

>>16997036
>I'm not saying that people shopping for this should suddenly start looking at 80 thousand dollar cars
>>16992841
>just go drive a handful of expensive performance oriented cars to see what "good" actually is
It's actually unironically literally what you said.

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>>16997113
The BRZ is the lightest rwd car you can buy in North America that has a MT and fixed top.

And you think it should have 350hp

And it should still cost 24k base price new?

You're fucking dumb

>>16997325
And it should have double wishbone suspension back and front.

And Brembos.

And a Rocket Bunny kit factory option.

>>16997352
It has brembos for 2017

>>16997325
The wrx is the same price as a brz and the wrx has the same engine with a turbo while the brz had the same engine with no turbo

It doesn't make sense, they could have made 250hp easily if they used the same turbo but they jewed out on it and kept the same price.

People have concluded that it either needs a little more power and to fix the torque dip to be better or it needs to be at least 3k cheaper

>>16997884
Alot fewer people would be buying wrx's or sti's, 86 isn't a subaru car so why mess with their sales if it sells well enough as it is

>>16997901
The brz and 86 are virtually the same car with small cosmetic differences and certain physical differences like tires and suspension

The reason I compared it to the wrx is because the brz and wrx share the exact same engine but the wrx has a turbo and makes 75 more hp because of it. Why didn't the brz get the turbo as as well?

>>16997913
It's not a "Subaru" car, it's a collaboration

>>16997917
So? What's stopping subaru from changing their own car? They both own it equally. Why can't they make genuine versions of each other?

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>>16986336
>>16986502

>>16997925
Dude read my last post thoroughly

>>16992594
>>16987763
lmaaao kid ur done

>>16987400
See the chart, you're in denial.

>>16997960
You're triggered as fuck someone is happy with their purchase

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>>16997325
I think it should be faster than a v6 mustang or a
HYUNDAI GENESIS

>>16997964
>You're triggered that some cuck is happy with their purchase

No it's great that he's happy, but it's a slow car that's is underpowered with a shit engine. As long as we understand that we're good.

>SLOWER THAN A GENESIS.

You can't make this shit up.

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>>16997944
Posting this chart makes you look retarded btw

>>16997969
The 86 will continue laps while the shitty Hyundai breaks down with a blown engine.
>>16997977
It's not underpowered or a shit engine, great deal for the price desu

>>16997969
literally
>BTFO

>>16997113
>350hp
>entry level

>>16998000
Literal samefagging

>>16997990
>It's not underpowered or a shit engine, great deal for the price desu
It's not a great deal at all. It's wickedly overpriced that's what everyone complained about in the beginning

It's undpowered as shit and subaru/Toyota still one fix the fucking torque deficit that's been plaguing it for what? 5+ years. That torque dip causes the car to lose significant acceleration through the middle of its gear. Even if you red line it the next gear shifts right into the depression of that deficit

>>16998004
It turns out the only thing you need to do to fix the torque dip is to tune the ECU a little. That's all and toyobaru won't do it

>>16998004
There's literally nothing wrong with losing torque through the middle of your band

>>16998004
>that's what everyone complained about in the beginning
Only poorfag crybabies, 25k for an entry level light RWD car is great deal especially with the unlimited aftermarket.

Just gonna give this a few more replies to finally get it off the board. I can't believe anyone replied to this garbage.

>>16998030
You must be new, shitposters reply to themselves from phones to get the ball rolling

>>16986338
>its extremely cheap
extremely cheap would be more along the lines of 13-18k

>>16998027
>it's a great price!
>no its not everyone complained about the price
>p-p-poorfag!
This is where your contradiction starts and ends

>>16998034
I know, but plenty of people legitimately took the bait as well.

>>16998041
Who is "everybody" only people that complain are the shitposters that don't even acknowledge what car they even own

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>>16997969
If I wanted a fast car why would I buy an 86?

>>16997977
>>16998004
No one ever claimed it was fast. The engine isn't legendary, but its not shit. I'm still pretty sure that it's the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can buy in North America right now.

>>16998036
Extremely cheap for a lightweight rwd coupe

>>16998050
Holy fuck are you new? Every thread involving this stupid car all bitched about the price. So when I say "everyone" it's hyperbole for a large portion of complaints regarding it

>>16998070
Just shitposters that got tired of gtr vs Corvette threads

>>16998063
>his shitty cayman has a torque dip so that means the brz having one is a-ok

>>16998075
What car does a supreme car enthusiast like yourself drive?

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>>16998075
>Cayman GTS
>Shitty

Just another day on /o/ I guess

>>16998082
A car that doesn't lose torque the more gas I give it

>>16998147
I hope you enjoy your civic si anon

>>16998002
Nope sorry, try again swaetiey.

>>16998171
>swaetiey
Must be the autocorrect on you're cellphone

>>16997324
I'm not suggesting they purchase the more expensive car, you pedantic fuck.

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>>16986511
70.000km

>>16997884
>they could have made 250hp easily if they used the same turbo
The factory turbocharged FA20s have the turbo on the bottom of the engine. Literally where the asphalt is on the BRZ. They consciously scarificed it for the "NA feel" and the lower center of gravity.

>>16998570
Got mine for a few hundred bucks more with less than half the mileage. Lmao at the current prices. I could literally sell it with a hefty profit already. I suggest anyone who can afford it to buy one in mint condition and just store it for 15 years, then sell it for three times the money.

>>16998385
Not him, but you're suggesting that people considering an 86 should drive an 80k sports car first so they can see what a real performance car is like?

Is that what you're getting at?

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>>16986292
>Easy to mod
>Encrypted ECU
What did he mean by this?

Great thread guys.

>>16998841
He's pulling out all the stops to convince people that the 86 doesn't compare to actual sports cars. God knows why.