Just came back from a holiday in USA and i have one burning question;

>>16966519

We do...its just that for example, me...I drive a truck...and I have a 7x14 cargo trailer when I need it...

So...what's your problem with this?

Because the majority of Americans prioritize materialistic consumerism over logic and reasoning.

There is some room for debate though.

Very few manufacturers offer an AWD or 4x4 version of a cargo van. I know Benz offers it and the older Chevy vans used to have them (since discontinued)

Up until recently, engine configurations in cargo vans usually sacrificed power in favor of fuel economy - so it made sense to buy a big ass truck if you wanted to do some towing.

BUT, and this is how you can unequivocally tell if someone is a retard, manufacturers like Ford use the same frame and now even engine (Ecoboost 3.5) between their entry level RWD trucks and their transit vans.

Because they think they need 4x4 and two feet of ground clearance for some dirt roads.

>>16966554
This is what I am saying though, they don't even have 4x4

>>16966554
m8 i was in LA.
Every plumber/electrician etc i seen driving around was in a pickup truck with all his shit haphazardly ditched in the bed. I seriously doubt they are going on any dirt roads.

>>16966534
Only correct answer here. Sorry you can't understand OP, maybe once you grow up and don't care what other people use for utilitarian purposes then maybe you'd get it

>>16966519
>Godda haul dat blywood :DDDDD
>Need to put the gravels in the tray :DD

And 100 other excuses

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>>16966567

>>16966519
>american tradesmen drive completely impractical pick-up trucks rather than panel vans
they drive whatever the company tells them to, then they jump in their personally owned truck to drive home because they aren't poor piece of shit Europeans barely making above minimum wage at 60 years old due to crushing taxes on every facet of their controlled lives.

>>16966627
Paid off your truck yet, faggot?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/09/06/car-loans-now-top-1-trillion-delinquency-rates-rise/89911210/

Every single Mexican drywaller in a D21 can't be wrong.

Besides. It's europe. You faggots don't actually do any work over there anyway so there's no reason you'd ever run into problems and you like to do shit wrong in the first place.

Vans are for pedos and tire delivery.

>>16966649
You mean we like to do it right in the first place so that it doesn't need constant fixing by Mexicans in D21s.

Man the burgers are fiesty today
Keep it up

>>16966519
we're not very poor here friend.


>the yuropoors will not leave /o/l

why must we suffer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6l2py68WY4

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>>16966589
what is ameritards obsession with loose gravel?

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>>16966669
>what you doing john?

>>16966664
>we're not very poor here friend.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/poverty-in-the-u-s-a-nearly-50-million-americans-on-food-stamps/5328986

>>16966671
Isn't your mother going to get upset with you posting her panties online, anon?

>>16966683
most of those are niggers

>>16966519
Because fuck you and your whining.

>>16966698
43% aren't a majority.

>>16966706
>20% of the population
>40% of the welfare

>>16966519
Because MUH TRUCK is a substitute for MUH MASCUHLINITY

>>16966717
Disproportionality still doesn't make them a majority. The niggers comment was a flat out lie. Either way they're a part of your fucking country whether you like it or not. You can't randomly exclude demographics to make your cesspool nation look better.

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here's a better question;
why does the american haulage industry still use those ridiculous antiquated lorries?

>>16966627
the first $20k i earn is tax free i'm not sure what you're thinking of you temporarily embarassed millionaire

>>16966732
Because our trucks don't have to navigate in cities for the majority of their time. They can trade the turning circle for better crash protection.

>>16966758
im 99% certain they don't have better crash protection than european style cabs, bro.

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>>16966732
The pointy nose actually makes them more aerodynamic than brick-like European trucks especially on more rounded off modern models, and the wheelbase makes them more comfortable over their garbage roads. There's enough space to accommodate vehicles of this size. If anything, European trucks are a compromise out of necessity because their turning radius has to be hard-coded into law to accommodate them on European roads.

t. Euro

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>>16966767
>the truck with the engine in front of the cab has worse crash protection than the cabover

There's a reason cabovers never really took off in the US, anon.

>>16966777
>There's a reason cabovers never really took off in the US, anon.
yeah, for the same reason that healthy eating, geography and manual transmissions never took off. Americans are mentally challenged.

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>>16966519

I can't speak for all of the US, but here in Kentucky

>Vans can't haul horses
>Vans cant deal with muddy farm terrain worth shit
>hauling farm equipment with vans means you have to be in an enclosed space with farm equipment
>Generally we don't have to worry about people stealing our shit so the open bed is preferred
>trucks are more comfortable and better equipped for long trips

I do see a surprising number of Euro looking vans in the more rural looking area, places with smaller backroads, good for delivery jobs.

I will never understand why people outside of the US are so offended that people in the US use trucks

this thread again?

I have a pick up truck and an 18' car hauler that I used to haul cars across the country when I was flipping them.

And the tradesmen that drive trucks need them because believe it or not, if you really paid attention to where they go, 4x4/ground clearance is required

>>16966804
Many people seem to own them without using them which makes them a waste of common resources.

>>16966804
when did i say anything about farmers?
farmers in europe also use pick-up trucks.
It's one of the few industries where a pick-up is a good choice.

>>16966799
>actually defending cab-overs as anything more then a compromise for tight euro roads

literally retarded, stop posting

>>16966804
Dude we already knew that all people from kentucky are inbred hillbillies

>>16966810
Driveways?

>>16966814
>waste of common resources

COMMIES GET THE FUCK OUT

Trucks are more fun.
Plus, Instead of
> Muhammad, can you open the door so I can put this prayer rug in the van
We just put our tools and things in the bed

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>>16966817

I know it was meant to be an insult but I'm just happy you used hillbilly correctly

So many Europeans use it like hick/redneck

welp it really turns out that euros are completely assmad and jealous of Americans and their freedom to buy trucks and not get blown up by Muslims

>>16966825
communism is the future

>>16966816
>as anything more then a compromise for tight euro roads
I always learned it's because of our length limits. Longer cab means shorter trailer.

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>>16966840
*gets shot by Tyrone*
*or the LAPD*
*Serve and Protect*

>>16966519
Because for the most part, the people who use a pickup over a van do it because a pickup bed is easier to clean out after use, and doesn't force them to keep dirty tools/loads in the cab with them. Tradesmen who need the protection, like plumbers, electricians, locksmiths, anyone who needs a mobile workshop, etc., use vans.

And Sprinters and Transits HAVE caught on in the US. Right now, only GM is selling a "traditional" American style van, and they're getting their ass kicked in that market because of how obsolete that platform is compared to the vans from the other makers. Ford and FCA both ended production of their own vans in favor of Transits and Sprinters, although I think you can still special-order an E-series chassis from Ford.

>>16966840
this happens daily, there are plenty of other subjects they could be talking about but its always
>Y DO AMERICANS HAVE TRUCKS SO FAT N DUMB
in varying flavors.

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>>16966810
>And the tradesmen that drive trucks need them because believe it or not, if you really paid attention to where they go, 4x4/ground clearance is required
So this would fit perfect.
In these vans you can walk upright, have cabinets and work benches on the side and everything. Storing it safe and dry as well.

And don't forget they are fucking comfy to drive with air suspension seats.

>>16966849
>living in california
Don't live there, have no desire to. My state is 95 percent white. problem solved :)

>>16966843
>communism will ruin the future

Fixed that

>>16966856
>Right now, only GM is selling a "traditional" American style van, and they're getting their ass kicked in that market because of how obsolete that platform is compared to the vans from the other makers.
what exactly is the difference between an american style van and a non american one?
and why don't americans of all people prefer the american style one?

>>16966859
>And don't forget they are fucking comfy to drive with air suspension seats.

Only for the driver. Your assistant has to be bounced around in a seat bolted to the floor while you bounce down dirt roads.
I fucking hate that.

>>16966843
>>16966864
These are not mutually exclusive statements.

>>16966864
the future is already ruined and it was capitalism that did it.

>>16966877
You can always fit a second (UK) air suspension seat and mount it.

>tfw we got a new van
>with a fucking bench
We were able to kill our boss, if that bench didn't break our back first.

>>16966881
By what metric? Commies killed over 56 million, and could have wiped out scientists who could have saved this world, communists are selfish pathetic scumbags just like capitalists except capitalists won't have you killed for talking poorly about them

>>16966880
????

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>>16966846
Well, yes. Length limits are the result of tight roads. They ensure manouverability. Technology is only STARTING to make longer trucks equally manouverable, but even then you need a multitude of pivot joints and potentially steerable axles.

To give a frame of reference to our burgerfriends, these long combinations which have been common in Scandinavia for decades (due to more space) and in the Netherlands for a number of years and are gaining foothold in more of continental Europe usually combine a 25.75 ft trailer/straight truck and a 44.5 ft semi trailer, whereas regular combinations are limited to 44.5 ft semi trailers OR a 25.75 ft straight truck with a 25.75 ft drawbar trailer. The cabins are pretty much standardized at roughly 7'8. Anything that gets added to cabins (cranes, heavy haul racks with additional pressure tanks, fuel tanks and intercoolers, rarely longer cabins) gets deducted from the trailer length.

>>16966862
So is my country, yet we're constantly accused of "flooding" it with shitskins.

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>>16966873
"american" style to GM means it only appeals to boomers and executives looking at fleet vehicles to drive around for 5 years before they get dumped off in a scrapheap somewhere.

Pic related, they made this ugly fucking piece of sub rental car garbage for 10 FUCKING YEARS. They finally stopped rolling out the door in 2016 as "Impala Limiteds". A car that was outdated looking by 2006 standards, for 10 goddamn years.

Fuck GM, they deserved to fail.

>>16966902
Because Sweden, YES

>>16966898
im saying communism is the future and it is going to destroy it, meaning both of those statements are correct.

ignore the other idiot, for some reason morons from /lit/ or /v/ slide in here.

>>16966873
Much harsher ride, shorter roof so not as much vertical space, not as good cargo space access, wider turning radius, and much worse fuel economy. V8s are great in trucks because of how often they get used for towing (in commercial use), but vans generally find themselves only hauling the cargo they themselves carry, so they don't need the big lug engines. The Cargo Express is only available with gas V8s, while the Ford Transit has two V6 choices and a diesel I5.

This is partially why Chevy badge engineered Nissan's own city delivery van so they wouldn't be totally shut out from that market sector.

>>16966877
I fucking hate that shit

>driver seat is a luxury throne that's more comfortable than being caressed by angels
>passenger seat is a moldy paint bucket stapled to the floor with bungee cords hooked onto the door for seatbelts

>>16966900
must be a bit of a pain to get these things unloaded, i know how lazy the people handling paperwork at docks can be "fuck did this part happen to be at the first part of the load or the second, shit where is that pallet" etc, mixed with how stupid some of the truckers are. ive seen people with full CDL's and shit not know what a load lock bar is or why [company] requires it.

>>16966873
American vans are body on frame with a large displacement gasoline engine and rwd.
Euro vans are unibody or semi-unibody (except for chassis cab variants) with a Diesel engine (or small displacement gasoline). Smaller yuro vans (Transit-Custom, Vito) are also transverse fwd

>>16966954
You forgot to mention how Euro vans usually have three lengths and three roof heights available while American vans have two lengths and one roof height. Also in European vans the cargo area actually feels like it's had thought put into, with a low entry level, tall doors, small wheel well protrusions and lots of tie-down points.

>>16966904
>"american" style to GM means it only appeals to boomers and executives looking at fleet vehicles to drive around for 5 years before they get dumped off in a scrapheap somewhere

Even in fleet usage the Transits are kicking GM's ass. It's only their pickups that are seen as the better fleet choice.

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>>16966519

In Canukistan most trade companies use either GM Savana's or the new transit vans or occasionally a sprinter. The new transits are getting pretty popular. Lots of trades guys and cuntractors still use a pickup as a personal vehicle because it's practical when they're not working. eg. hauling shit on the weekends.

>>16966974
Indeed, Id take a transit over whatever GM is shitting out lately as well, but you can bet there are still a few people who don't give a fuck and only see the bottom line $$$

>>16966974

Most cube vans are still on GM or Ford chassis' though. I doubt you'll ever see a 16' box on a fwd chassis anytime soon.

>>16966888
>You can always fit
> Optional extra
> Company van
> Not usually carrying two people
No chance. We even had a van without a passenger seat at one point, and just a carrier for the hand truck there instead.

>>16966900
> Four axle groups
> Two points of articulation
Wow. Here in britain, we have the 'road trains' with a trailer on a drawbar, but that's only the one articulation point. Or we have extra-long semi trailers with a steerable axle in a spread arrangement.

>>16967006
Well yeah, but box vans are an entirely different breed than regular city vans, you know?

>>16967000
It's actually a tossup now. The base Transit is about equal in price to a base City Express, and it can carry 400 pounds more in cargo. I seriously don't know what GM is going to do to salvage their van image. They seem like they've totally lost it.

>>16967006
US transits are all RWD.

>>16966970
You would think the "American van" would be equally well developed, seeing as it's a product that's been built for 60 years or so.
It's not like the Americans are newcomers like the Chinese or Indians.

>>16966843

A thing of the past

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HOLY FUCK FORD IS WINNING THE COMMERCIAL VAN RACE RIGHT NOW

They're outselling GM's vans 3-1. Holy shit.

>>16967061
*2-1, my bad.

>>16967057
please stop getting your education from fox news

>>16967061

Because they're clapped out after 4 years and need to be constantly replaced.

>>16967050
>You would think the "American van" would be equally well developed
Yeah, but American automotive technology is stuck in the 1960s.

>>16967087
The amount of old transits I see on the roads disproves you.

>>16966695
lel

>>16967050
It was, up until like 2010. It's just a different breed than Euro vans, and the American market felt that the Euro vans fit their needs better, so Ford and Dodge just started importing the Euro ones instead of trying to change up their existing vans.

I mean, they DO still have their uses, it's just that the Transit/Sprinter does the "van" thing better than them in the city.

>>16967023
Interesting.

A dealer near me has an empty lot nearby overflowing with base city expresses as well, I'm talking at least 50, all just sitting there. None have moved in the last 6 months.

>>16967050
Its GM, they know not what they do. Meanwhile Ford basically invented the idea of a modular east to operate, versatile cargo van.

>>16966646
>auto loan
>poorfags believe everyone falls for the con they do
kek fuck off Mohammed
>>16966746
>not working tax free by accepting only cash AND getting government subsidized food, electricity, internet, phones, and schooling
lmao

>>16967093
>t. European
we literally just got these here serf.

>>16966519
because vans have a hight restriction
and liberty means doing what you aught not do
>semi related
why are Mercedes ambulances so shit ?
the engines break down and the doors fall off

>>16966776
COE was a big thing for a little while in America
but seems to have been forgotten since the 1970s

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>take a Silverado chassis+cab
>put the EcoTech V6 in it
>stick a European-style modular van body on the chassis
>call it the "Silverado Commercial Express"
>capitalize on both the van's and truck's names
>hype up its suitability for towing and its cargo versatility
>stick a "Made In America" sticker on it

Come on, GM, it's not that hard. Even Nissan figured this shit out before you.

>>16967235
>chevy making an add that is anything more creative then

"REAL PEOPLE NOT ACTORS JD POWER JD POWER JD POWER WOOOOAAAAOW WWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOW CHEBBY WOWWWWW JD POWER ALUMINUM IS BAD BECAUSE BEAR CAGE EMOJIIIS."

>>16966519

Whaddya mean? I see them all the time.

>>16966519
Because American men have very fragile egos

>>16967173
> HURR DURR ONLY LASTS FOUR YEARS
> WE ONLY JUST GOT DEM
Which is it? Do they not last, or did they just arrive?
Now, since I know they're euro-spec Transits, made in europe, and exported to the US as 'minibuses' and then having the seats and windows removed in the US, you're fucking wrong about them not lasting. I see old Transits everywhere.

>>16967613

They just got here a couple years ago. Only time will tell how long they'll last but there's a reason why big lazy V8's have always been used for commercial vehicles. I can't see 350hp from 2.7 liters surviving the rigors of being a fleet vehicle.

>>16966519
>Superior work vehicles in every way
Name 3 things a van can do that a pickup can't. I dare you, cunt.

>>16967664
keep muh dry wall dry
secure large amounts of tools
easy conversion into a mobile home or underground hydroponics lab

>>16967730
>keep muh dry wall dry
see pic related
>secure large amounts of tools
how can a pickup not do this?
>easy conversion into a mobile home or underground hydroponics lab
Have you ever heard of 5th wheels? also, kys degenerate fag

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>>16967730
>secure large amounts of tools

It's called tool boxes. Vans take like 7 seconds to break into.

>Live in NYC/NJ
>See tons of Econolines, Express Vans, Transits, Sprinters, etc as work vans

What's the problem?

>>16966519
>My holiday in the united states showed me every aspect of american culture!
There are thousands and thousands of contractors that use vans.
It depends entirely on what type of work you'll be doing.
It also depends on where you live and what trailers you need to haul, for business or personal use.

A lot of Americans contractors drive trucks specifically to tow their horse trailers.
I know Europeans think Americans are all billionaires, and by comparison we really are, but it doesn't make any sense to buy a truck for towing and have it sit 99% of the year just so you can drive your van for work.

>>16967766
no pic but I assume a very large fibreglass canopy is involved
or some tarpaulin
>>16967769
>tool boxes
not often attached
>Vans take like 7 seconds to break into.
is there anything that doesn't
its just that panel vans can obscure content

>>16966519
The majority of American tradesman use their trucks for their personal lives as well, and trucks are socially acceptable as a personal vehicle, whereas a panel van is not.

I've only worked with a few guys who have used Vans and they either had a second vehicle or they were Eastern European.

>>16967622
Which contradicts your original claim>>16967087

>>16966519
I am an American tradesman. I install and repair garage doors. We have 4 pickups (all rwd) and 2 transit style vans. We use them for different things, but we need trucks to allow for some of the extremely long and bulky stuff to be carried. Vans are better for a lot of little loose stuff because you can put shelves inside. The trucks certainly aren't a status symbol though. Work trucks are for work.

>>16967896
>everyone on 4chan is the same person
fuck off sperg
>>16967622
isn't
>>16967173(me)
who wasn't
>>16967087

>>16966540
Aren't the transit vans unibody?

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>>16967863
this was supposed to be pic. I didn't post it the first time because i am not a smart man

>>16966814
that truck you see empty 3 days a week that you complain about might be towing a gooseneck the other 4 days of the week.

>>16967921
we used to have heaps of that kind
all be it on smaller Holden and Toyota ute
and the clip off when ever hauling a tall load like a concrete mixer and a bunch of long wood

>>16966859
Those sell well, at least here in Canada, but to fleets. Not many private owner/users go for them because of the price.

>>16967921
Less cargo space than a van

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>>>16967860
You know vans can haul shit too, right? Even with their 2.0-2.5L 4 cylinder diesel they get a tandem axle trailer and go 130km/h.

>>16967664
Have a complete workshop inside
Allows you to work in the dry
Giant space for advertising on the sides

>>16967904
>everyone on 4chan is the same person
It's where the conversation spawned from you retard. By butting in you by default take the stance in which you contradicted.
The solution? Don't join a topic in which you have no idea what everyone else is talking about, retard.

>>16967909
What makes you think that?

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>>16966519
I'm American and we didn't get panel vans until recently. The closest thing is the minivan like the Dodge Caravan which does see a lot hauling duty. A coworker and I were carrying 4x10 drywall in one which isn't too bad.

But we can't buy them if we don't get them. Every time I watch videos from other parts of the world I see cars I'd buy if I could, like lightweight 4cyl vans which we only really got in the Toyota van. I'd love to have a wide selection of small vans on the used market, the size of this UAZ.

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I mean, besides full size american vans, this was the main alternative for a tradesman van until recently. You probably saw a bunch of folks making an honest living driving these and didn't know it.

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>>16969482
>I'm American and we didn't get panel vans until recently

huh

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>>16969531
That's the "competition" to this

>>16969537
I guess when I said panel vans I meant more like the one in OP's pic. Unfortunately I live in the rust belt and any good Econolines like your pic are mostly long gone, or would be if they were brought here and not stored half the year.

Honestly wish I could justify getting a good rust free one. I want the 70's van culture with big side murals back too.

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>>16969345

>>16966776
good lord there has to be at least 3 bottles of tire shiner on that rig

>>16966732
Because 'MUH RIDE QUALITY' when they don't know what air-ride seats are.
Because I LIKE MUH TRUCK THE WAY MUH DADDY'S TRUCK WUZ
Because MAH COMPANY MAKES ME SLEEP IN MAH TRUCK FOR DAYS AT AH TAHME AND I DON'T WANT NO FAGGY TINY SHELF TUH SLEEP ON BOY
Because american engines are so unreliable you'd be cranking the damn cab over every couple of days to 'work on the truck', which is code for 'fixing shit that should have been designed not to break'.

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>>16966519

>Not driving a mid-engine rear-wheel drive van for maximum driving pleasure

>>16969955
You know literally nothing.

>>16966776
this

>>16966540
The basic transit is a 4-banger, the 3.5 ecoboost one is meant for ambulances and other heavy duty applications. They're not for fucking plumbers.

Trucks can tow more. A Silverado/Sierra with a 6.0 V8 can tow more than a Chevy Express with a 6.6L Cummins.

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>>16972419
>6.6
>cummins
>chebby

>>16972307
maybe in the islamic republic of cuckistan
US transits are 5-cyl or 6-cyl only

>>16972512
I think people are getting the Transit and Transit Connect confused. They're different vehicles.

>>16972307
>They're not for fucking plumbers.
Yes they fucking are, have you SEEN a transit van accelerate to hit a yellow light or exploit a gap in traffic?

>>16972569
Electrician. Can confirm these are highly desired. Please send more.

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>>16966519
>Why the fuck do american tradesmen drive completely impractical pick-up trucks rather than panel vans?

1) A long of my jobsites look like pic related
2) Pick up trucks are abundant and therefore dirt cheap to own and maintain, vans are usually a lot more expensive, and the used ones are at the end of their trannies
3)Because a lot of people who use their pick ups for work also DD them, they usually treat them better than ""work"" vans, that are scratched and driven hard, thus, the chances of finding a used truck in good condition are a lot higher than a used van
4) Again, the clearance makes a difference during the winter and when driving in backroads, yurocuck

>>16972561
Yurocucks are confused because there are 4 or 5 different transit model (courier, connect, custom, transit (us transit) and cc-ca)

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>>16966519
>Just came back from a holiday in USA
>better shitpost on 4chan

>>16966519
status symbols

>>16966519
Maybe small town hillbillies. They're all over in cities. I used to drive a transit connect when I did HVAC. Ecoboosted errywere I went.

>>16966519

>Why did transits, sprinters etc never catch on in america?

They kind of did...every single vehicle the neighboring HVAC shop has is a van. The new Dodge tradesmen things are the popular choice at the moment.

Prior to that, they weren't very popular because your options were basically a Ford truck with a body on it, or a Chevy truck with a body on it, neither of which was really built from the ground up to be a van. The Dodge/International/Mercedes sprinters were ludicrously priced and hard to find, so pretty much no one bought them. The other options had low roofs, wouldn't actually carry much unless you constantly kept it dead empty, payloads were low, traction in snow was (and still is usually) absolute garbage, mileage was as bad or worse than a truck, and you couldn't carry large bulky items, like a 1000' spool of 2/0 aluminum along with the stands to set it up on.

In the modern day, small vans are to go-to option for fire alarm and data guys, and full on tradesmen are starting to take them seriously again. Foremen and the like still drive trucks, but that's mainly for status - guys running multimillion dollar jobs generally don't carry jack shit, have all their parts delivered, and mainly do paperwork during the day. But they're big and important, so they get trucks.

Small one or two guy shops still use trucks, but that's mainly because they use their work vehicle as a status symbol. I used to work for a guy (doing data work) that drove a brand new 2016 2500 HD Chevy Silverado with the diesel motor. Had one truck tool box in the back half full of stuff, and it was a strange day when he actually had any sort of parts or supplies in the bed. But he used it to tow his boat outside of work, and he owned the company, so he drove a truck. The guys that actually did the work (me and one other guy) drove a tiny van loaded to the roof front to back full of shit, and the tread started separating from the tires because it was so damn overloaded.

>>16972844

>A long of my jobsites look like pic related

A van will still make it, eventually. I once was a passenger and then spectator to a 2WD Ford E250 that was making it's way up a hill in 18+ inches of fresh powder. He hit a pile of black pipe multiple times, a conex twice, and a stack of empty barrels once. Some of the pipes even went up into the underside of the van, but he made it after about 15 minutes. Van was unharmed too. Witnessed same van get belly hung on, and then back up off of, a large boulder, again with no damage.

>Pick up trucks are abundant and therefore dirt cheap to own and maintain, vans are usually a lot more expensive, and the used ones are at the end of their trannies

They literally use the exact same parts except for the body panels. Same motor, same trans, same differential, everything. And what kind of company buys used? Even decent sized shops, with 50+ employees, rarely have in house mechanics, and fixing a fleet of even just 12 used trucks driven by ham fisted tradesmen would quickly murder their bottom line. That's what warranties are for.

>the chances of finding a used truck in good condition are a lot higher than a used van

Again, what company buys used? The shops I know of that have in-house mechanics buy off-warranty everything from auctions and fix them until they rust into nothing. Everyone else buys used because by the time you get through the 4th transmission replacement in 2 years, it starts getting a bit too expensive to keep doing.

>Again, the clearance makes a difference during the winter and when driving in backroads

The clearance is again, literally the exact damn same as a 2WD pickup truck from the same manufacturer, at least for the full size vans, because it's the exact damn same suspension as the truck.

>>16973144
>>16972844


The only real good reason to have a truck vs. a van is that you can't lay 10' sticks of pipe down straight inside a normal full size van, but you can put it in straight with a truck bed, and the over length isn't enough to be illegal. But if you get an extended chassis van, which is like 2' longer than the standard length, the pipe fits fine and you can stack it to the roof, which means the van then carries far, far more pipe than the truck ever could.

>>16969646
You're right. They share suspension with the mk3 focus.

>>16972864
>tfw you know when this is from a gay initial d doujin

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>>16969315
>You know vans can haul shit too

Not when you don't live in a flat wasteland and the average car is over 300hp. It's just dangerous at that point. It's a little different when people don't drive 50hp diesels...

>>16966519
>Why the fuck do american tradesmen drive completely impractical pick-up trucks rather than panel vans?
Because in America if you own a windowless van its assumed you are a pedophile.

So to sum it up, many Americans use their work car in their sparetime, which would make a van impractical, but sometimes vans are used for businesses that need it e.g. electrians, plumbers.

>>16973438

Pretty much.