Automotive design trends you hate. >dial shifters >paddle

traction control that does not turn off
bodies that get bigger and bigger
no more 2 door suv's

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SMALL WINDOWS
why so much metal?

>>16943326
This wouldn't happen if you morons stopped buying shitty automatics. Manuals will be extinct in 5-10 years, thanks a lot.

engine stop/start

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>>16943326
This must really trigger you.

>>16943349
those fuckin fake exhaust shits built straight into the bumper. wtf is that and why is there a light next to it

>>16943326
removal of dipsticks

>>16943350
People have been saying this since the 80s.

Manual transmissions will still be around as long as there's a market for them.

>>16943326
widebody styling as stock

>>16943350
>want to buy an manual vehicle
>want to buy a truck/suv
There is no end to this suffering. Why can't I have both?

>>16943396
Why would you want a truck/suv? They're absolutely unnecessary unless you want to carry a lot of equipment for a job.

>everything being extremely ugly in and out

>>16943396
Because trucks and SUVs used to be for the working man but then SUVs became symbols for rappers and smug housewives and then trucks became daily drivers for 90% of white collar males over 40 years old.

And all of those people hate manuals.

>>16943410
I like them. I grew up around large vehicles and developed an affinity towards them.

>>16943420
The majority of pickups being automatics happened sometime in the Seventies so you'll have to find something else to blame. Like maybe automatics being better at literally everything.

>>16943444
>jewing for the (((automatic))) transmission

ashekelforagoodgoy.jpg

>>16943349
I'm from /m/ so lots of metal is what i like but this is an abomination

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>>16943326
tablets
shifters that are just momentary switches

>>16943353
Can someone please explain?

>4 door coupe
ITS JUST A FUCKING SEDAN
REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>16943486
fucked up my image

>>16943359
>what are federally mandated reflectors?

>Huge infotainment displays that distract the driver even more
>Cripple the infotainment software so the driver ends up using their phone anyway
>Nanny systems that give the driver even more ability to be distracted without dying (lane departure warning, adaptive cruise control)

Self driving cars can't come soon enough.

>>16943488
It's got paddles on the steering wheel which are used for shifting in the automatic version and turn on/off the automatic rev-matching feature in the manual.

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Edgy meme 2020 car look.

First lexus' micro SUV cancerous concept, then the civic type r, now this CHR bs.

>>16943523
wtf why is the door handle so high?

>>16943326
>electronic shift transfer case
>doors bigger than windows
>doors larger than the tires
>stop start
>keypad alarm on door pillar
>drive by wire anything
>plastic engine covers
>traction control and stability management standard
>daytime running lights
>v6

>>16943492
>"our 2 door couples aren't selling well"
>"but what if we put 2 more doors on it?"
>"yeah! I bet those would sell better!"
>"but sedan sounds boring..."
>"how about"
>"Gran Coupe"
>BMW logic

>>16943531
To make it look like a 2 door. I swear, the shop threads on /o/ were laughable but cringeworthy when they actually started being made. The 2020 look will be small 2 door-like hatchbacks with lift kits and MASSIVE widebody kits

Electronic shifters. They're fucking annoying.

>no more estate cars/station wagons
>fuckhueg SUVS/crossovers for 1-2 people
>ZERO VISIBILITY
>no more 2door wagons/shooting brakes
>traction control
>abs
>'safety' features that make cars heavier, worse to drive, and ugly
>tiny steering wheels
>unnecessary creases and lines all over cars
>"infotainment" cancer
>any screen that isn't just the radio

>>16943669

>Zero visibility

Honestly this is the worst for me.

>Have move your head side to side like a Calcutta snake charmer to find pedestrians
>Going over a passenger side break over and you got no idea if there is an 8 ton truck in your path.

Sometimes I have to actually get out and look and I have not had to do that in the 12 years of driving beforehand.

>>16943492
Fucking this

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>>16943696
Put your money where your heart is and buy a car with good visibility then.

>>16943523
>those windows
>that rear angle
You would literally not be able to see a fucking thing.

>>16943696
Stop being a manlet or a 6'8" alien.

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>>16943720

I have spent too much time working on foresters to ever want to step near them again.

I am more in the market for pic related.

>The MOST VISIBILITY
>Cab tilts forward for dull engine access
>4,400lbs rated payload
>Granny first so I don't have to engage low range to crawl or burn the clutch restarting on a hill with the bed full

>>16943743

6'0" flat thanks.

>>16943756
>hates low visibility
>wants vehicle without rear window

>>16943756
Just buy a 1 ton pickup. Those things are slow as fuck.

>>16943766
Stop being a manlet...

>>16943777

My main issue is forward visibility. I primarily only use my mirrors when reversing.

>>16943778

>1 ton

Not enough capacity. Also tractor ratios are more important to power than me, for example the trip computers of all the vehicles I drive usually tell me 20km/h average. If I go passed 50 km/h in anything it's "fast". If I have an American passenger they start complaining

automatics that let you shift
radios that don't work until the seatbelts are done
no wing windows
automated everything

sure it all works until it don't then you're fucked

>>16943784

Fucking belters

>>16943367

Is it true? fugg triggered

>>16943545
mercedes A63????????????
you described it perfectly

>>16943839
http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/22/technology-alert-the-dipsticks-demise-is-blamed-on-dilatory-dr/
http://jalopnik.com/5522543/why-the-dipstick-is-dying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGE6roEThig

Long story short German carr manufactures are retarded and designing for their even more retarded consumers.

>>16943851
>A63
The 63 models are either 6.3, 6.2, or 4.0 V8's. I take it you mean either the A45 or GLA45?

>>16943349
SRS airbags=huge pillars

>>16943326
>left or right foglight comes on if car turns left or right

this shit has to fucking end

>>16944470
what, is that what happens with the corner turning headlight things? lel

>>16943492
>2 door sedan
its a fucking coupe

>>16943810
>automatics that let you shift
those are the only redeemable ones though.

>>16944649
Not when it's a slushbox planetary-whateverthefuck or a DCT with fake gears, then it's pointless a

>>16943492
>>16943538
I bet you didn't even know that gran coupes have a lift back. The point is to trade rear headroom for a wider cargo aperture without losing the sloping roofline people like from the coupe. The 4-series is also a larger car all-around than the 3-series, so it's not just a naming convention.

>>16944659
>driving auto
>want to overtake someone
>gun it
>engine doesn't kick down immediately
wow man it's so great not being able to change down a gear.
fuck off. there is no legitimate reason why I shouldn't be able to force my car into 2nd if i want to overtake someone.

>>16944659
>DCT with fake gears

Did you mean cvt?

>>16944690
I think he meant dual clutch

>>16944690
Yeah

>>16944678
Most of those autos with the 3/2/L on the shifter really aren't meant to be shifted hard. You usually have relatively fragile planetary gearsets and clutch bands, not big honking helical gears and a fat clutch disk.

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Touch screen media interface.

The tactile nature of actual buttons is so much faster and safer I can't believe designers and engineers sign off on touch screens.

Pic related. I hated this thing in my GTi.

>>16943444
>so you'll have to find something else to blame
They were marketed as luxury. Amerisharts, being the niggers of culture, flocked to yet another symbol of status like flies to shit.

Nobody bothered teaching their kids how to shift because the car does it for you. It makes no difference for dull cunts who see cars only as appliances and all driving as a chore, and for that handful of losers who pretend their slushbox and CVT autos are the same as DCTs because they just can't drive stick and this is their way of compensating for that.

But for degenerates like us we're now living in a time of automotive stagnation. The cheap used car market was holocausted by cash for clunkers (thanks Obama) making cheap manual shitboxes to learn on even more uncommon.

>>16944659
>>16944649
anyone met anyone who uses the auto gears unironically? My old retarded friend used the 1 and 2 gears in his 80s mercedes shitbox and it always tilted everyone in the car

>>16944793
>I can't believe designers and engineers sign off on touch screens.
They don't, it's the marketing people who get horribly skewed statistics indicating people like not having any tactile sensation at all. Because we use smartphones that must mean everyone absolutely loves touchscreens and "apps" and not because it's a tiny portable computer whose primary purpose is making phone calls and that's the only fucking way to consistently operate a device where the screen takes up 95% of the usable external surface.

Sometimes I wonder how companies get the information to make the stupid decisions they do, 'cause it seems like some organizations do not look at the whole picture.

>>16944580
this is during the day when all their lights are off, they'll be making a sharp left/right turn and the fog comes on for 10s

it really makes me reee

>>16944819
I had a shiftable CVT in a Suzuki SX4 SB for 3 years, if you drove it around in Manual mode it would wear grooves into the CVT pulleys in the spots where the 6 fixed ratios were. Thanks, Nissan.

It was quick to shift but still on the other side of a torque converter so VERY slow off the line despite reasonable torque and light weight. Every day I punch myself for not getting the 6MT, even though that car is long gone.

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>>16943523
>LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

>>16943545
Nissan Pathfinders did that in the '90s for the exact same reason -- to make a 4-door look like a 2-door to anyone who's fucking blind.

why is this dumb meme back?

Why do all infotainment/navigation/etc. run on the most frustrating and pathetic software imaginable? There is no reason it should take 30 seconds to switch between menus
Also,
>Locks you out when the car is moving
Fuck off, I want my passenger to update the nav

>>16943326
self driving cars. I wish the news and car magazines wouldnt act like its such a big fucking deal and everyone wants one

>>16943350
Porsche is committed to making manuals forever, unless they're banned by the EU or some shit. Mazda will have them in the MX-5 for as long as that's being sold, too. I suspect that Toyota is the same with respect to their Land Cruiser 70s.
>>16944845
Focus groups, surveys, introducing features as options and looking at the take rate. Touchscreens are getting better, anyway. Try out the Sensus unit in a Volvo 90-series. You don't even have to touch it, which means you can use it with gloves on, and the big screen lets them use big icons and stuff. Maybe eventually that'll trickle down to shitboxes.

>>16944939
>Car can tell when I have a passenger and his seatbelt isn't on
>Can't tell that I have a passenger who may be trying to use the navigation

>>16945201
>Focus groups, surveys, introducing features
How do I get in on these? I want to give these faggot marketing "people" and interior designers my two cents.

>>16943326
My friend drives a Dodge Challenger >automatic, huge ass infotainment system, TRACK MODE™ switches everywhere, can't see anything, lane warnings, backup warning, blind spot warnings, LAUNCH CONTROL™ meme button, asymmetrical interior design.

At least it looks ok and goes fast (in straight lines)

>>16943326
What the fuck is S?

>>16945305
probably "sport mode". iirc it just allows the paddle shifters to work.

>>16943523
>Let's put the handles on the rear doors in a place where children can't reach them!

>>16944939
>Used to have one easy-to-locate switch or dial to control each function in climate control, stereo settings, etc.
>All those functions are now buried behind 4 menus in a painfully slow, unresponsive touchscreen interface that you need to stare at to use
This is truly what progress looks like.

>>16945201
>Focus groups, surveys, introducing features as options and looking at the take rate.
Yes and I'm saying that these methods are wholly inadequate and poll the wrong people which delivers inaccurate data. People who don't know any better will go for flashy features (and pay more), people who've actually used these systems for long periods of time tend to agree they are terrible and shop for their next car without such features, which gets harder and harder because the "take rate" keeps climbing as people move away from '90-'05 shitboxes which make it look to the company that people actually like these things.

There remains much to be said about the inadequacy of focus groups as a means of deciding elements of a product. A 3000 lb rolling steel brick capable of exceeding 100 mph should not be influenced by the ideas of people who do not fully understand the implications and responsibility of operating of said contraption. Focus groups' responsibility should be to figure out where the air vents and radio should go and nothing more.

>>16945201

I remember reading an article where BMW stated that they'd never make an automatic.

And another one stating that they'd never go forced induction again

And one where Audi said they'd never expand into the SUV market

The only people to survive the Holocaust were the Jews and you actually will believe the words they preach to you?

>>16943538
>make 4 door
>make 2 door from 4 door
>make 4 door from 2 door from 4 door
>but its not the original 4 door

>>16944733
>Most of those autos with the 3/2/L on the shifter really aren't meant to be shifted hard. You usually have relatively fragile planetary gearsets and clutch bands, not big honking helical gears and a fat clutch disk.

>I've been going from D4 to D3 to downshift for higher revs or engine braking
>its been 6 months of me doing this
oh fuck

>>16944793
That's exactly what I have in my jetta.

Using it is fucking miserable

fins
pop up headlights
box design
wedge design
column shifters
bench seats

all the trends I hate already died

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>cigarette lighter ports that only have power with the key on

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FUCK THE PUSH BUTTON GIVE ME BACK MY KEY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16943349
Because metal absorbs a hit from a mom texting with her non-smoking hand allot better than glass.
I dig old cars you can rest your arm out the window of without dislocating a shoulder, but these standards are why I'm not dead today

>>16945570
itd like a spaceship :DDDD

>>16945592
FUCKIGN NORMIES RUINING EVERYTHING

>you will never ever turn your key and feel the power of your engine
>you will never ever have to not worry about the fucking RF box thing shitting the bed
the only thing I can see that still has keys are work trucks

>>16943389
Eat shit

>>16943453
>what is a torque converter

>>16943518
more like they didn't want to make the steering wheel without paddles so they just found a function for them to cover

>>16944659
>not when it's a slushbox planetary
>i dont like it because i cant understand it
planetary>cogwheels
>no need for synchros
>no need for clutch
>no spinning clutches means bearings arent wear items
>impossible to fuck up shifting
>all around more reliable
>gets a bad rep because of solenoid and hydraulic problems, and because master mechanic Cletus McInbred cant understand how it works
i cant believe they dont use planetary for manual yet, it's just so fucking superior. it's probably because morons like you would avoid it because it's scary.

>>16945457
>relatively fragile planetary gearsets and clutch bands
don't listen to this redneck, your slushbox also has "big honking helical gears" that can take just as much torque as a manual or more.

rising beltlines and removal of bench seats. I know, both of those are for safety reasons (or "safety" in the case of the beltlines), but it doesn't feel right that a midsize/large sedan has buckets and a console. Column shifters too. Only pickups have them anymore, and even those are moving to console shifters.

I'm not saying older cars are better—by any metric, a new car is light years ahead of anything from even 20 years ago—but there's something to be said for having your girl right next to you, with one hand on the wheel and the other arm on the sill, cruisin'.

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> mfw we will never see optimum greenhouses again

>>16943523
I can't believe cars that were in games that depicted the future are coming true.

>>16943396
Just buy an old C1500, dummy.

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>>16943720
Subaru <3

>>16943839
My e90 doesn't have one but the f10 and all the other newer BMWs after have it

>>16943386
And there will only be a market for them so long as they aren't in 50k+ territory. No demand, no mass-production.

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I really hate the "cockpit" design in some of the newer cars. My sister's Ford Escape and my mother's Porsche Cayenne does this. The middle of the front seats goes up really high and makes the car feel a lot smaller. Pic related.

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>>16945894
Another pic related.

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>>16945899
Vs. inside of my car

Hopefully this makes sense.

>>16945904
the console portion in-between the leg areas?

>>16944939
2014 prius
>press button
>it does a dumb 2 second slide animation
>press another button
>another dumb 2 second slide animation
Takes 10 seconds to fucking play from aux

meanwhile
>2003 shitbox
>press aux physical button
>immediately plays from aux

>>16945248
If you have a vagina and aren't an "enthusiast" you might have a shot!

>>16943410
>They're absolutely unnecessary unless you want to carry a lot of equipment for a job.
wow it's almost like you answered your own retarded bullshit

>>16943350
>Manuals will be extinct in 5-10 years, thanks a lot.

Good fucking riddance.

>lights that sacrifice performance for look
>fake scoops/intakes
>fake exhaust ends
>stereo-boosted exhaust
>safery features that cannot be disabled
>fuses that are hidden and meant to not be changeable by the roadside

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>ANGRY LOOKING CAR
>sharp edges everywhere where they arent needed
>sticking ipads in the car in general
>digital dials
>cant replace the radio
>LEDS FUCKING EVERYWHERE
>HYBRID BRO

>>16945904
This is the worst fucking trend. Automatics that make it seem like they're manuals.
>that shifter
>those two pedals
>that useless clutch rest
Fuck off. You're the problem

"Compact" cars that are larger than full-size sedans 20 years ago.
Why is everything so fucking huge?

>Seatbelt chime cannot ever be disabled
IT'S MY DOG SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>16947460
I can't tell if you're a boomer or a millennial but I can tell you're cancer.

>>16947971
Why don't you buckle up your doggo?
Do you not care about him? Is he not a good boy?

>>16947971
go to junkyard or get the buckle and plug one in

>>16945248
Only buy new cars from dealers. Have all maintenance done by the dealership.
Finance.
Collect points in every store, use credit cards, fill out every survey you find online.

In short, be a good goy.

>>16945386
>and pay more

That's exactly what the manufacturer wants.
People who pay more for more features they didn't know they wanted before. That's why this sort of people is the focus group. They're the ones who pay $40k for a grocery getter appliance, are happy with the deal and will come back.

>>16945399
then again Porsche is bringing the manual back with the new GT3 and the 911R, so did jag like 2 years ago, and aston said they will be the last manufacturer to build a manual when they brought out the new v12 vantage with a dogleg 7-speed

>>16943349
Because NHTSA did a study on roll-over crashes and found too many americans died because of bad roll-over safety, they came up with some solutions for the manufacturers and bigger pillars were the cheapest so they went with that.

>>16943396
The Dodge Ram 2500/3500 is the only fullsize truck still available with a manual, and only when you get the Cummins diesel.

>>16948118
>dogleg
>7-speed
are they sadists

>>16948403
Based Dodge

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>>16943492
I'll never forgive you mercedes

>>16948403
>>16948484
Although this is great and all, I don't want a fucking mile long truck just to have a manual. Or get the fucking absolute base model of a truck just to get a manual. I'd rather just stick to older trucks with manual

>>16943349
>>16943523
You know when a car gets a bit older so it looks a little beaten up and the paint is faded and shit.

These cars are gonna age fucking terribly

>>16947486
they sell the foz in both manual and auto you fucking turboautist, excuse them for not changing the design for both cars.

>>16945841
It's because the industrial design interns who created the cars in Watchnogs: Mankind Cuckholded graduated and went on to work for automotive design studios.

>>16945399
I trust Porsche to stick with particular technologies for the sake of driving feel. It's why they will never give up on the 911's rear engine layout even though mid-engine makes much more sense from a performance standpoint.

>>16943350
>Manuals will be extinct in 5-10 years, thanks a lot
Good. Without a shift lever, big brother will be able to prevent cars from shifting. That's good for the future app security system. Car makers can create their own app system (toyota and 2 other car makers are working on it) to collect and sell data as well as sell subscription services.

One subscription service can be an app to prevent transmission shifting use until you enter a security code. That will stop joy riding since the only available selection is Park unless the app is used.

>>16943353
>7 speed manual

You think it's over BUT IT JUST KEEPS SHIFTING

>CVT w/ paddle shifters
And I'm all like
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I think the new "virtual cockpits" are disgusting.

Also,not a big fan of start/stop buttons

>>16949415
I'm not a fan either
I have a friend who drives an A6 with the start/stop and the key you don't insert, and at least twice she's driven away without the key because it was near the car, but then when she gets there she can't start the car again.
Why? What is so hard about just inserting the damn key?
I like how my father's Mini just has the fob like that, but you pop it into a slot in the dash to start the car

>>16943326
What the fuck, dial shifters are real?

>>16949064
Ever use the shifter on one of these? It's weird as hell.

>>16943669
>tiny steering wheels
holy shit, this

there's nothing to hold on to.

>>16943810
>automated everything

the ford raptor has so many fucking automated features, it's insane. I'd like to see how many of them will make it to 2025 without needing replaced

>>16949465
What's so hard about putting the key in your pocket.

I can't tell if you're a boomer or a millennial, and that's a problem.

>>16949600
>What's so hard about putting the key in your pocket.

In the real world, actual human fucking beings... sometimes forget shit. You never leave the house without your keys or your wallet? With keys or a fob you actually have to insert somewhere you're at least going to notice it before you're at work or wherever you were going.

>>16949507
yeah and jeep got sued to hell and back i'm sure about this because it's all software, and apparently you were able to shut the car off without being in park. a jeep ran a famous dude over because he shut his car off in neutral and it rolled him over.

>>16947968
I feel the opposite. Car interiors are so cramped nowadays. Im a tall guy and i dont fit in shit unless its either really old or really huge. I prefer bigger cars, amyway. I just feel safer.

>>16945520
Jesus, you must be the most boring man on earth.

>>16949868
>phone
>keys
>wallet

3 point check before I go anywhere

>>16949600
>I can't tell if you're a boomer or a millennial, and that's a problem.
realtalk, they are actually the same thing.

t. millennial who's studied boomer history and compared it to his generation

>>16945520
>hating wedge design
>hating pop-up headlights
You suck.

>>16950192
Have you considered that not everyone is as organized as you are?

>>16947460
This
>>16947974
Kys

>>16948816
Kek

>>16943350
only 4% of the fucking market is manuals anymore, i know because i did a research paper on it

>>16950200
No, you're retarded.

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>>16943814
Yeah, fuck the belters.

>>16945520
i dont think anyone makes bench seats anymore, it was nice to have your girl suck your dick without getting speared by the shifter.

>>16943326
Something id like to see come back is the Hi-beam button on the floor near your foot

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Dial shifters are nice imho. I mean if it's automatic there's no point in having a stick shifter eating up space when a dial shifter doesn't take up any space and does the same thing. It does take getting used to but it makes sense and I'm ok with it

>>16951355
Ram 1500 right? I've always liked the looks of those trucks, but I'd personally never buy one with a push button start and dial shifter. It just doesn't belong in a truck imo

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>>16950249
>mfw the common sense to make sure you have important items with you before going somewhere is now looked upon as inconvenient

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>>16951364
I was with you until I got in one and drove it, bruh it is NICE I was sold. The dial shifter takes getting used to but I'm actually liking it. If you're gonna drive an automatic might as well embrace it, the stick for automatics is unnecessary now. The interior is nearly perfect and the suspension on it is perfect.

>>16947968

Safety equipment. It's funny when you see a car from the 70's that was considered a boat at the time and a fucking new Corolla is just as big.

>>16943537
Yeah but what's Wong with daytime running lights

>>16945376
This *sigh* really sucks

>>16951355
Buttons, buttons...MUST HAVE MORE BUTTONS.

Jeebus Chribmas. I'm not a luddite but how about having a cockpit that focuses on, oh I don't know, maybe the driving experience, instead of installing 50 buttons that do nothing useful but distract you from the road. There's no possible way that cockpit could be considered intuitive or ergonomic.

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>>16951491
lol git gud fggt

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>nobody mentions the fact that this guy is being replaced by a fucking button

>>16945819
looks like a roadster with a fiberglass roof added on top
the sedan is superior

>>16947486
>that useless clutch rest
it's like you want to ride the brakes

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>>16943326
>start buttons
>touchscreens
>cupholders
>glossy plastics
>glossy screens
>automatic only models
>cars that phone home
>robotized only models
>skip shift
>non-din head units
>glossy aftermarket head units
>screens in place of gauges
>electric steering instead of hydraulic
>start-stop systems, specially ones you can't disable permanently
>proximity based keyless entry, let me have a fob to open and close the car myself kthx
>led headlights, HID is superior in every way
>low profile tires
>fuckhueg wheels that look too big for the car
>basically anything that takes away control from me
>Tesla cucks on twitter unironically defending pic related

>>16951355
I'd rather have button transmission like in the old days tbqh. Much better solution without as much electrical bullshit.

Luxury SUVs and SUVs in general. They should be illegal and their owners should be flogged.

>>16952141
electric steering is the fucking shit homie fuck outta here

>>16952265
Fuck you nigga how am i gonna tow my boat, get groceries, take my kids to school, move shit while keeping it dry, and get good mpgs? And no utes, we don't have them here. If you say a truck with a topper i might as well get an suv. Trailers aren't acceptable either.

>>16952300
have less kids faggot

>>16952328
That doesn't keep my shit dry and and tow my boat.

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bolted on iPads

>>16952300
>good mpgs
>in a suv

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>>16952345
where to start

>>16952345
On the upside there's a chance of upgrading or exchanging them without ripping up half the dashboard.

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This cancer called digital dashboard displays
Messy and useless

Why can't the Germans get things done right?

>>16952354
I get 24/30mpgs and 18 towing.

>>16944793
BUT MUH TEKNOLIGEE

>>16952141
what the fuck is on this guys playlist, this is something that worries me a lot. I get in a crash, but the ignition is still on and I've plugged my phone to the stereo, and Brother Louie is playing loud as a firefighter cuts me loose from my crashed vehicle.
I indeed like that you can listen to whatever you like, and that the car is your personal stereo, but man you gotta watch your shit if you listen to some weird shit.
Also fucking gay dashboard. No tactiles.

>>16952300
A wagon with a 2l diesel engine

>>16950192
That's also what I do, but I'd be lying if I said I never unintentionally left the house without one of those items. And so would you. Shit happens.

>>16943359
Blame """new, classy""" design.
My father and I absolutely hate them as well.

>>16949465
Sounds like really stupid design, I can't start my toyota if the fob isn't somewhere in the car.

>>16943326
HEY. Paddle shifters make mundane daily drives a bit more enjoyable.

>inb4 drive a manual
fuck you. Rush hour traffic is NOT when you drive a manual

>>16944470
I have literally NEVER seen this. I only DRLs go off when turn signal come on. But NEVER fog lights.

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>>16945025
Everyone does want one except for /o/tists. Pic related.

>>16945305
>>16945315
No, that's called M+-. S is sport and all it does is hold lower "gears" longer.

>>16943492
The RX-8 is in fact a 4-door coupe.

>>16943669
Go back to 1985 and never come back you retard.

>>16947460
>>16950969
Both of you are retarded. I can agree with the angry looking car but can't agree with everything else on the list.

>>16951566
And...?

>>16953687
I can agree with that, the RX8 and the Saturn ion coupe are easy enough to call four door coupes. But a goymen crossover with a sloped roofline and a hatch? I dunno mane

>>16953769
I don't think crossovers have a coupe or sedan form. They are just crossovers. Same for SUVs.

>>16949868
I know someone with a 2014 chrystler 300. And if you have the fob more than a foot outside the car it starts beeping at you and wont start. Having it in your pocket is perfect for this technology

>>16943495
Funny thing about BMW is that that M series shifters are different from regular BMWs. Also, no PARK on the shifters if you're driving M series.

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>>16953780
Mercedes would like to have a word with you

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>>16954888

>gran coupe
>4 door coupe SUVs

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>>16954892
Soon all body styles will be merged into one safe, shapeless blob, this is only the beginning. It would be neat if they at least had 2-door crossovers as well, but that's too much to ask I suppose
On a side note,
>tfw no vehicross

>>16952761
that's tacky, not classy
only burgers think liberally applied chrome is classy

>>16953662
>implying the explosion wasn't from the google cars being unable to deal with the FRESH™

>>16954955
the vehicross knew what it was

all this weird crossover shit has no individual spirit

>>16948694
This is 100% by design.

The car will no longer look trendy and then you have to fork over another gorillion shekels for another solyent bugman econobox to boost your self esteem.

They know their market and have it well covered.

>>16945520
surprised you didn't put V8s and manual transmissions on your list

Those shit SUV things which are just like a regular sedan only bigger for no reason.

>>16950114
no it's both

cars are becoming fuckhuge while having no interior space in the name of safety
it's well intentioned but I'd rather die than drive some crummy soulless cocoon

>>16947460
>can't replace the radio

well at least when these cars are "CLASSICS" down the line they won't have some shitty tuner radio that doesn't fit the car at all

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>>16955186

Sedans are big, boring beasts anyways so why not make them a bit bigger and more practical? I hate crossovers too but they make sense for most people. Personally I don't know why you'd even drive a sedan when wagons exist.

>brake lights that blink like crazy
Fucking annoying. Can't wait for the seizure lawsuits to hit.

>>16955253
People are still stuck in 1989 and their idea of a station wagon is clapped out and shitty.

>>16955253
even as an european, i think that thing in pic looks super sexy, would own

>>16955292
>even as an european
>implying europeans don't have an unhealthy fixation with wagons

What's with the new cars that turn their engine off whenever they stop?
Why is this a thing?

>>16955630
>Why is this a thing?

$2500 starter replacement jobs.

>>16955025
I used classy in quotes for a reason. You only really saw them on luxury vehicles, then the trend caught on and now they're on everything.

>>16951566
>>16953759
Here's how to disengage it when the button stops working. (But electronics never go funny ever right?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8C5lA2Qgk

>>16953759
can't rip skidz

>>16955883
Now, try to release the brake when the cable has snapped. Not as easy as the method in the video was it? Wire-systems are generally more reliable than their mechanical counterparts. HOWEVER, more expensive and difficult to repair if something goes wrong.

>>16954888
Ok that's obviously just marketing bullshit. In reality, there is no such thing as a coupe crossover or coupe SUV. It's just crossover and SUV regardless of the number of doors.

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>>16956870
>no such thing as a coupe crossover or coupe SUV.
think again

>>16956898
KEK

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>>16956898
>muh
>dick
I know old shitboxes look great with a lift and tig ol bires but thats unreal

>>16956851
>Comparing complete failure of the main mechanism to a fault somewhere along the train of electronic components.
>Somehow the electronics are cheaper to fix than replacing a wire
>Never given a specific tool to disengage e-brake on traditional wire system and was seldom an issue
>Necessary tool for new electronic system

I will never want my Emergency brake, my last line of defense to stopping my vehicle other than a concrete wall, being governed by a system of electronics that can literally shit the bed depending on the date.

>>16957182
Did you even read what I wrote? I said that wire-systems are more difficult to repair and more expensive than a traditional mechanical link. Also, why don't you bring up a Toyota or Honda electronic system? They are far more reliable than a BMW which are designed to break. Electronic systems are getting as reliable as traditional mechanical systems, if not more reliable. Unless ofc you look at BMW or Mercedes.

>>16951469
Driving in Tucson I've noticed it keeps people from turning on their real lights because cars with this feature have the dash always lit. Day time running lights don't turn on tail lights so it's enabling retards to be dangerous

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>>16957114
enjoy

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>>16957414
That's breddy gud man

>>16957277
wtf does the dash being always lit have to do with DRLs? For example, my Corolla has an always-lit dash but no DRLs.

>>16957432
I had a pic of a vintage camaro that was also painted in flat black but I can't seem to find it

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>>16957446
That's okay, have a lifted SL instead. I'm glad jezza is supporting the interests of lifted shitbox enthusiasts

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why do new mercedes look like bars of soap?

>>16955236
>some shitty tuner radio that doesn't fit the car at all
Nah the OEM radio will just break and ppl will hatchet job something into them. Cars are being turned into disposable appliances. (yes I know this process has been happening for decades, it is just getting worse, faster)

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>>16957508
Have a S from the Rainbow Sheikh in return :^)

>>16957534
because computerized models help builds cars become more aerodynamic because we started caring about mpg

>>16945520
>fins
I know your trolling Anon but you're breaking my heart, you dont have to like them but hating on happy go lucky fins is just wrong

>>16943359
This guy gets it

>69 speed gear box
>still takes 3 seconds to respond to throttle input

>>16945441
kekekek

It's only a minor thing, but those goddamn lawyer warnings that cars with nav/infotainment systems have now. For instance, when my mother's '12 Explorer starts, it loudly tells you to be alert and not use the system while driving. Like somebody dumb enough to be staring at it and hitting buttons as they fly down the freeway is going to be dissuaded by that.
And it locks you out of the nav as soon as you shift out of park anyways (which is annoying bullshit)

If I put my Subaru into "manual" mode (paddles), it ignores all but the slightest throttle inputs when it's in 6th gear. Like you can bury the accelerator and it refuses to respond to it.
Not sure what the deal is, but that's some annoying BS

>>16952363
you're delusional

>>16957751
this
those things usually have proprietary protocols that make replacing them by a third party a nearly impossible task

>>16943396
hilux or triton

>>16955656
if this is true, it would make sense since I only hear german cars do this

>>16958054
not in burgerland

>>16949465
Bullshit story unless she's starting the car first then taking the key out and leaving it somewhere

>>16957610
fuck id like to drive one of those

>>16958178
I think I've seen Range Rovers and Fords with it as well

>>16943396
Because you haven't looked hard enough yet. My buddy has a manual truck.

>>16943326
What manufacturers employ dial shifters so I know never to buy anything they build for the rest of my lifetime or that of the company, whichever ends first.

>>16950192
5 point check for nights
>phone
>keys
>wallet
>smokes
>lighter

for work add
>work phone
>stanley knife
>belt clip for toolkit

everything has a designated pocket it goes into, so i just check that all pockets have something in them, and then grab coffee from counter and leave... slowly... with all 66kw going to the front wheels...

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too many people saving their money and not enough people spending it on car mods for my vicarious satisfaction

>>16945725
Imagine a world filled with cars that have the features for something but no parts for said features
What a place

>>16959091
It's an auto - why does it even matter?

Touch screens in general and phone connectivity bullshit in general. Being able to make phone calls and accessing your music is okay, but anything beyond that is what causes accidents. There's no difference between being distracted by your phone and being distracted by your infotainment screen that mirrors your phone. Manufacturers are in cahoots with insurance companies, I swear to Jehova.

>>16959147
So I don't brush the car into fucking reverse at highway speeds while reaching for my BIG GULP in the cupholder.

My fucking BMW has a dial control for its infotainment system and I already push up on that shit accidentally way more than I'd like

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>>16959190
>So I don't brush the car into fucking reverse at highway speeds while reaching for my BIG GULP in the cupholder.

Anon, do you REALLY think that a car made in 2017, with all the computers and computer-controlled transmissions in vogue these days, WOULDN'T make it impossible to shift into reverse while moving?

>>16955120

This isn't sustainable in the long term though, see the rise of subprime auto loans. At some point people stop being able to trade in their car every ~48 months because the trade in value is so shit. How many millenials even want cars anyway?

>>16954955

Everything becomes variations of a hatchback, in 2050 your options for a regular car (not a truck) will be a station wagon or SUV whose only difference are the body parts and the ECM. Also v4s only, because they're also eurospec cars.

>>16954955

I didn't want to be the one to tell you this, but they DID sell it stateside.

Then no less than 4 dozen of them were scrapped under C4C.

>>16957691

who even buys the full nav though? My mom couldn't figure out the touchscreen and got really pissy with the dealer when he told her to git gud.

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>>16958639
me too anon, me too
or one of these

>>16959222
I think you're overestimating modern car designers. People have got ran over by their own cars with knob gear selectors already.

>>16957702
Are you literally fucking retarded? You realize that flooring it in 6th or any overdriven gear for that matter isn't the terrible for your engine, but since the ecu is a billion times smarter than the retarded monkey mashing the pedals it's saving itself by ignoring your throttle input that would otherwise bog the engine. Subaru we fan is also a fucking retard like you and got butt hurt when husband mustang dumped fuel through the injectors to save the engine and poured black smoke out the exhaust. Stop being a retard seriously.

>>16961405
*is terrible
*subaruwrxfan

>>16943326
electronic handbrake

>>16959129
>vicarious satisfaction
>t. cuck

>>16945556
this man knows

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>>16943326 (OP)
American cars being BTFO by foreign cars.

>>16962410
But the GTR gets btfo by a Volkswagen

>>16962410
/r/ing shoop of track into benis xDDD DDD

>>16962436
If a Volkswagen can beat the thing that beets burgermobiles that means that Volkswagen is better than burgerwagens.

>>16962450
better than the GTR as well

>>16962450
>beets
*beats
I need to not post when I'm tired.

>>16962459
shitpost*

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>>16962467
Oh right. Good catch. Thanks for correcting me.

I also dislike how american cars can't steer.

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>>16962410
The worst part is when those foreign cars start getting BTFO

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>>16962509
But then something breaks as the GT-R pulls away.

>>16962520
But the Viper didn't break down

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>>16962496
>>16962520
I dislike Nissan's poor build quality

>>16962531
lol it just got cancelled

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>>16962536
I dislike GM's build quality even more.

>>16962543
Still beat the GTR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And you know there's still the Ford GT

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>>16962555
>ecoboost

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>>16962410

>>16955630
My dad's XC90 has this, it's annoying in stop and go traffic but fine at a light, too bad it doesn't work half the time because the "required conditions" aren't always met.

>If it's powerful, light, and RWD, it also needs to have two seats and no roof
>it still weighs the same as another car that has four seats and a roof

>>16943492
Holy fuck this.