>be Canadian >go to America >have to pay tolls literally

>>16871744
10 times the traffic of Canadian roads

>>16871746
10 times the people to pay taxes

>>16871744
You went to shitty east coast.
No tolls around west coast.
Also toll roads are privately owned in most cases

When I drove to Toronto the roads seemed pretty much the same as America (except detroit)

Maybe slightly worse than Kentucky

>>16871751
>he thinks everyone pays taxes
our own president didn't even pay them right

>>16871757
>he doesn't know that a good chunk of gas prices are taxes for fixing roads

>>16871744
>single bridge in lower NY actually has a civilized system where they scan your plate and mail you the toll

All Chicago and surrounding metro area tolls have this, except it actually works and the roads are 99% pothole free.

Fucking Chicago has a better infrastructure than New York. Imagine that.

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Here in the south, almost every state will have some sort of scanner that is universal, or they'll scan your plate and mail you the toll.

>>16871753
Atlanta was actually pretty nice desu, but I've never driven there during the 1 centimetre of snow fiasco

>>16871757
If he didn't pay them right then he'd get fined and arrested for tax fraud

Why do you think they call it "Jew York"?

I live in Tennessee. I haven't payed a toll since a family vacation to Florida seven years ago.

>>16871762
Gotta pay for those those cops extra to wrangle up libtards protesting in front of Trump Tower

>>16871770
Peach pass in Atlanta worked great, bit the fucking EZ pass up north required you to slow down to a crawl for it to detect it

Meanwhile the scanner for the 407 in Toronto works even if you're gunning through it at like 130kmh
Expensive but it's fucking worth it since that highway is almost entirely concrete and devoid of poorfags who wouldn't think twice about changing lanes into you and speeding off

>>16871773
Lmao

>>16871744
That's what happens when you go to democrat states. They don't have any money and are corrupt.

>>16871904
The guy's been getting audited for the last 20 years and they haven't found anything?

>>16871929
>people bitch about Trump not paying his taxes
>his tax returns get illegally leaked
>find out he's been paying millions on his income
>people bitch that he hasn't been paying taxes on his net worth

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>cagers getting booty-blasted because their unsustainable transportation method is becoming prohibitively expensive

>>16871941
>organ donors in charge of fiscal responsibility

>>16871940
because they're fucking retarded and don't realize networth doesn't mean jack shit

>>16871940
He leaked the one year he actually paid taxes.

>>16871757
Did you not see that Trump paid a 24% tax rate in 2005?

>>16871971
so?

Jersey fag here

Don't come. Fuck off we're full. Benny go home

>>16871984
No one wants to go to jersey

>>16871984
the fucking jets.

congrats on living in both the armpit and asshole of the US.

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>>16871973
>Da sir Drumpf didn't pay his taxes!
>Actually he paid a tax rate higher than Hillary, Obama, and Bernie with a much higher income
>So?

>>16872028
oh I didn't know where you were going with that. I thought you were gonna get really pissy because he didn't pay some 35% or something

>>16871744
You obviously never drove in Michigan. We don't have any tolls, and we have the pothole filled road quality to prove it. None of that paying for shitty roads bs.

>>16872057
>willingly going to Michigan
The only people that do that are from Windsor doing some cross border shopping

>>16871744
>go to America
>have to pay tolls literally everywhere
They are examples of privatization. Instead of the government paying and maintaining the road, the gov't contracts out a private company to have temporary maintenance authority on the road. They charge tolls and maintain the road with any money left over being their profit. So many people say privatization works, and the roads are just another example of the success of american privatization.

Any pothole not repaired is extra profit for the current manager. If he is retiring in a year, he won't fix the potholes in order to get the biggest productivity profit sharing bonus. He will leave the repair bill to the successor to take care of.

Privatization does promote short term profiteering management tactics like that as well as corruption. It happens when managers think their career and personal profits are more important than their duty in taking care of their customers.

>>16871753
There's toll roads all over the west coast what are you talking about.

>>16871744
>NYC
theres your problem.

>>16871744
>live in midwest
>no tolls ever
>mix of good and bad roads
If it wasn't for the cold it'd be nice here

>>16871760
Hah! You wish. A couple of recent examples.

California. Gas taxes placed in the General Fund under Gov. Brown in order to make it appear that the State is solvent. Now wants to increase gas taxes and create a separate fund out of the increase for road repairs. IOW, current gas taxes are now for everything but roads.

Pennsylvania, sold a 30+ percent increase in gas taxes in each of the last three years in order to fund road repairs. Increased revenues from higher gas taxes instead used for police pensions.

There's lots more of course. You just can't give politicians money and expect results other than graft.

>>16873769
Taxes are never earmarked

>>16871940
>his tax returns get doctored and sent to a journalist to illegally leak
>everyone knows its bullshit

he's got in, showed some advisors how he's been cheating the system and they've done a dodgy and made it all up

>>16871744
Jersey fag here
>weather sucks so roads are constantly being destroyed by ice and salt
>some of the heaviest traffic density in the world causing wear
>government in the region is completely controlled by crooked politicians and the mob, who have been ingrained for over 100 years and are impossible to get rid of

>>16873769
Same thing in New Jersey just last election. That piece of shit Christie raised the gas tax by 23 cents and passed a law saying that the state can borrow money if it "projects" a surplus in the transportation fund. So like California that money is going nowhere.

>>16871744
Jews and burocrats

>>16871744
ITT: Canadian gets $100 in tolls mailed to him next month from the rental car agency for all the tolls that he thought "didn't work"

>>16874454
who?

>>16874472
I drove my own car, it's been over half a year and still haven't gotten anything

>>16874472
canadians gets to drives on toll lanes and bridges for free just fyi.

reasoning is that all the states have not made a deal with the canadian government therefore they will never be able to pull up their mailing address

>>16871744
>NY is shit
>Come on America
We're called the United STATES nerd. New York is a cess pit of degeneracy and you only prove my point because you were there. If you come to the American South (Not Florida because it's just New York II: Crocodile Edition) the roads are in pretty good shape due to no snow/ice and there's tons of cool cars that aren't rusted through.

>>16874797
>didn't even read the thread

>>16874472
>He thinks Canadian's dmv will give out address to random private companies

>>16873780
>Conspiracy theorists

>>16874814
Americans are used to it

>>16871762
>Chicago
>the roads are 99% pothole free.
WEW

>>16873769
>You just can't give politicians money and expect results other than graft.
Politicians become corrupt. That's what happens when private companies want government contracts. They hire friends and family of the politicians and also make contracts with small businesses owned by family and friends.

Before you say there are laws preventing a politician from giving contracts to his own company, there are holding companies that are twice removed and "owned" by a puppet president. That makes it legal. The president can't cheat because the directors only take orders from a separate corporation which is wholly owned by the politician. A variation of these for-profit companies is the non-profit foundation version such as the Clinton Foundation. While it does good, it also steers contracts to "deserving" individuals and "deserving" corporations.

>>16871753
>Also toll roads are privately owned in most cases
The toll roads in washington are run by the government and seem to do pretty well. They generate a surplus which is used for road repairs not just on the toll road, but the other roads as well. The toll roads are well maintained and I have not seen any potholes in the government-run roads.

Sure, one can say that all tolls are really in the "general fund" because the state then shifts money out roads and leaves the toll money to pay for things because it is designated for roads only.

If you haven't purchased a monthly or semi-annual or annual pass subscription, then the scanner will send you the toll in the mail. It's quite a bit larger.

>>16871744
Well maybe we'll get some sort of New Deal like policy to create jobs and fix our failing infrastructure. Probably not though.

>>16873369
Yo fellow Winds/o/ite

>>16871744
Toll roads in Texas are actually good but I can't say the same for the rest of the roads

>>16873780
kek
I'll bet you believe obama is a kenyan muslim too
Tin foil must be on too tight

>>16874820
A conspiracy involves more than one person retard
Trump literally just "leaked" one year of tax returns to make himself look good
It's pretty transparent

>>16871813
>Concrete

Is Canada the new Russia or something?

>>16874797

Pennsylfaggot detected

Please stay in your drug addicted, incest-filled containment state

>>16876454
Concrete is superior to asphalt

>>16871757
He paid them to the letter of the law my man. Should be mad that the lawmakers are too regarded to draft legislation properly.

>>16871757
you should fucking kill yourself

>>16876573
Nigga what?

>>16876716
Concrete is superior to asphalt

>less maintenance
>much longer life span
>decreased rolling resistance for increased fuel economy

I know the kiddies on /o/ are borderline brain damaged, but come the fuck on

>>16876744
>less maintenance
Doesn't it like snow in Canada? Don't they use salt? Snow will fuck it up for sure.
My country has abandoned them because of that.
>much longer life span
Yeah but nobody will want to drive on them because they will be all fucked up.
>decreased rolling resistance for increased fuel economy
Can't you just like. Buy an energy saving tires? And check your pressure and shit? And you will get better mileage everywhere not just on one highway...

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>>16876775
The 407 is concrete almost the entire way and they use the same salt on it as they do on regular asphalt roads, and it's been smooth and in much better shape than the surrounding asphalt roads for the 10 years I've been using it

>Can't you just like. Buy an energy saving tires? And check your pressure and shit? And you will get better mileage everywhere not just on one highway...
Yeah man, just get everyone to change to Prius tires
Fact of the matter is that the hundreds of thousands of collective kilometres traveled on that single low rolling resistance highway saves thousands of litres of fuel every day

>>16876775
Salt? Do you live in the 1900s? Big concrete pads are by far better than asphalt.

>doesn't randomly buckle and sag during spring thaw
>less chance of random sinkholes
>can be replaced/repaired one section at a time

>>16871744
>come to america
>theres more people in all of california than all of canada
>goes to east coast(nyc)
>most dense place in US
>why is it so much money
fuck off back to your igloo snow nigger

>>16876802
That doesn't really prove anything except that your asphalt is inferior to ours.
>Yeah man, just get everyone to change to Prius tires
And why the hell not? You don't need MAD!!1! tirez for your DD.

>>16876806
>Salt? Do you live in the 1900s?
No. Europe.

What kind of shitty nigga grade asphalt do you use overseas? Are you saying you spergs are unable to repair/replace one section of asphalt at a time?

>>16876824
What kind of shitty nigga grade concrete do you use overseas?

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>>16876716
>>16876744
You are both foggots and wrong. Concrete and asphalt look like shit 2 days after construction and need replacing every other year.

Cobblestone master race

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>>16876824
Let me just use some shitty Prius all seasons in these kind of conditions
Did you ever think that winter tires have a higher rolling resistance than your economy tires?

You fucking nigger

>>16876834
The autobahn is made out of cobblestone, right?

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>>16876824
>Using shitty dissolving Jewish rock to pave your roads
>2017

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>>16876820
Literally the busiest highway in North America runs through Toronto

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>>16876829
>Really shitty one.

>>16876834
Oh, her majesty the Queen has visited us. Nice.

>>16876839
What???

>>16876845
Nice meme you got there bro.

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>>16871757
>watching news
>TRUMP TAX LEAKED
>NOT ONLY DID HE PAY TAX 10 YEARS AGO BUT HE PAID A LOT OF TAX
>HOLY LIVIGIN SHIT DRUMPFH DOES IT AGAIN!!!!
they are so desperate

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>>16876852
lel Europoors

Enjoy your $6 a litre gas prices that make filling up 1L shitboxes expensive

>>16876824

>That doesn't really prove anything except that your asphalt is inferior to ours.

You clearly don't live in an area where the temperature will change from 10* below freezing to 15* above freezing in a day. Asphalt doesn't like that.

>Are you saying you spergs are unable to repair/replace one section of asphalt at a time?

No, what I meant was the down time.

>drill into pad
>pull it up
>put a pre-formed pad in its place

Done. Takes literally 4 hours. With asphalt you've gotta dig the old shit up, make sure the base is still good & level, pour the new shit, flatten it, and let it cure. Or if you're autistic, you just put new asphalt over the old layer and deal with potholes never.

>live in part of the world where the environment basically rapes cars and roads and all other types of shit that isnt designed to deal with it
>complain about it

>>16874835
tollways are decent compared to non tollways in chicago, thats about it

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>>16876860
It's just 4$ and 70c! :(

>>16876864
No. No I don't and I'm kinda glad that shit like that doesn't happen in central Europe.
Unfortunately I don't think that repair downtime has anything to do with the actual time it takes to repair anything on our roads...

But I do agree that if you live in condition that has 20+ degrees variability in temperature then concrete is the way to go.

>>16876851
I think it was named the busiest in the world a couple years back

>>16876860
*4$ and 70c per gallon
(didn't notice you used litres so I automatically converted it to burger units)

>>16874814
>>16874786
Horseshit the police department I dispatch for can (and does frequently-Massachusetts) run Canadian Regis and DL's all the time. That info is shared with the US seamlessly

>>16876928
Good for the OP tho if he never hears from anybody. Seems like the roads around me that are tolled are twice as bad as untolled roads

>>16876573
>can't not go deaf from road noise doing any more than 90km/h

Woo lad

>>16876881
>>16876864
Every fucking year they're fixing asphalt roads in Canada, especially with how temperature changes have been more extreme these past few years

But politicians just want to show how they're saving money and get cheaper asphalt
Savings from concrete don't start to show until decades after they're done their term

And think about all the collective hours wasted by everyone during construction, all that wasted fuel and potential economic growth

>>16876957
>I drive a Lada Riva

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>>16876860
your estimate is litteraly 4 times the actual price of gas in denmark

>>16876976
I drive an Equinox and it's fucking awful. Doing a reasonable ~120km/h it's literally hard to hear my passenger talking and I can't make out what people are saying at all when using my phone (Bluetooth)

>>16877005
I can hold a conversation just fine in my 20 year old Boxster while cruising at 120 km/h on a concrete highway, though this is with an OE hardtop

>>16871744
oh look, another enlightened foreigner who went to fucking NYC and thinks NYC = america

>>16877031
Population centres are the only place that matter, keep being butthurt about living in a flyover state

>>16876851
I'm pretty sure that's the Jersey Turnpike.

>>16877032
I'm from new england, none of those states are flyover states dude.

>>16877032

Stay mad about being in a shithole state. Enjoy your shitty laws and higher crime.

>>16877035
It isn't

>>16876573
Concrete is prohibitively expensive to pave the entire US road net.

I'd rather pay low gas taxes and drive my truck and motorcycles. Truck ignores bumps, bikes dodge them, problem solved.

SC FTW. Fuck paying for anything I don't have to.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/GasPriceMap?z=4&lng=-96.591588&lat=37.64883485674102

>>16877078
Why is west coast so god damn expensive?

>>16871940
>paying taxes on his net worth

This is a fucktarded idea and anybody who thinks this or wants this should be shot.

>I have a net worth of 1 million, time to pay the 25% net worth tax
>*sells house to pay taxes*
>Next year
>Now I'm homeless but at least I have 750k
>*Buys house for 250k and pays 200k taxes*
>Yay now I only have 300k in the bank but at least my net worth is still 550k

Utterly fucktarded

>>16877132
You can thank establishment Democrats for that fucktarded logic.

Funny how they want a flat tax until they realize it would benefit their enemies

>>16876928
and what exactly are you going to try and do to a canadian citizen that doesnt live there

>>16877091
Asphalt is better, lasts longer and isn't susceptible to acid raid like concrete is

>>16877232
>acid rain
Those CAFE standards aren't really helping are they?

>>16873749
this
live in upstate instead of NYC, have literally never seen a toll booth in my life and traffic is nonexistent

roads are just as shitty though, but that's really the whole tri-state area

>>16877205
Send an angry letter like the record labels do when you're caught pirating?

>>16876928
>police
You are not a private company running road tolls.

>>16877205
Send the ticket in the mail you fucking mongoloid holy shit are you retarded?
You act like Canadian drivers have diplomatic immunity while they operate within our borders.
In my jurisdiction we ticket Canadians every week for stupid stuff along with Americans

>>16877343
tickets don't equal tolls handed out by private companies you inbred redneck

>>16871744
American tax dollars have been mismanaged at the federal, state and local level for decades. Voters are now powerless to do anything about it due to PACs and dark money in elections, gerrymandered districts that render our votes meaningless, and idiot rednecks who actually think it's worth their time to defend the rich. I'm sorry you're just finding out about this now.

>>16877360
>don't pay the toll that you drive through
>state/agency/private company's computer program automatically runs the plates through their CJIS/Openfox/whatever system for R.O. data
>sends ticket in the mail

What part of that don't you understand? Happens every day.

>>16871994
>>16872003
Not him, but then why do a shit ton of Canadians flood our fucking beaches every year? Like he said, fuck off.

>>16877339
>Implying private toll road companies don't rely on the same exact DMV and NCIS data systems as local departments

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>>16871744
>living in the Northwest

>>16871994
Everybody wants to come to jersey. Good luck finding decent beaches in the mid Atlantic faggot

>>16877385
The part where the plate scanners are actually functional

>>16871796
I know this is a shitty troll, but the Illinois Toll Roads are an independent function, and their money doesn't go back to any Illinois state or local governments.

>>16877362
If that's the state I thought my country was in instead of complaining about it on a Papua New Guinean mud hut constructing website and either work to impeach the government or die trying or leave to another less corrupt country

>>16877451
What 3rd world do you live in that they put cameras up just for fun?

>>16871744
>Some toll booth operator tells me that the lower level of the GW bridge into NYC is free
nigga both you and that Port Authority toll collector are both retarded. No such policy exists.

Is it REALLY that hard to plan your route before hand, figure out what roads are tolled, research if you can cross for free/reduced cost and then get off your ass and do it ?
If you were going north from CT into NYC you can travel without tolls going into the city, and then even out to long island.

Even into Jersey you don't pay a toll to cross out of manhattan.

PROTIP- buy a goddamn ez pass

>>16877525
In spite of all of that it's easier to stay here than it is to leave, especially in my profession.

Live and learn. I'll encourage my kids to leave.

>>16873764
>live in the midwest
>have to drive through kansas

at least the k-tag saved me $2 to travel the entire length of the turnpike

>>16877801
>buy an EZ pass
>save $0.25

>>16871744
>Live in Southwest
>No toll roads, ever
>Roads are all in good condition, those in rough condition get repaired
>Mild winters means I can use summer tires all year long for the most part
>Summer heat keeps a lot of people from migrating, those that do don't bring their shitty ass problems with them.

Feels good man.

>>16877132
Wew, ameribros don't pay yearly taxes on net worth? Here in toothpasteland we actually do

>>16877947
Why do you tolerate such ridiculousness

>>16878027
Because that and 52% income tax means we "care about society" and <insert typical liberal ideals and logic>. Just a few more years and I'm gone with my MD+PhD

>>16877821
The shitty thing is the US is still better than any other country.

>>16871744
>you're supposed to be a global super power. Put some pressure on your politicians to fix your failing infrastructure

We spend our money being a global super power, instead of on infrastructure

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>>16878373
DELET THIS

>>16876573
>Concrete is superior to asphalt
Asphalt is easier and cheaper to repair.

Concrete always gets thinner when re-surfaced to remove the ruts from studded tires.

>>16878929
This is why population dense areas that benefit from concrete roads ban studded tires

>>16878373
The infrastructure helps a nation become a global super power you idiot

Just look at Rome and Nazi Germany

the USA a populistic piece of shit and the direct cause of the chaos that we know in the western world. Only NIMB's, /pol/ shills (xenofobes, racists and frustrated NEETs) would argue with my statement, unfortunately i am on the once so free 4chan expressing my opinion, todays interpretation of 4chan is so much different from the free america i used to know.

Shame on you or i feel with you, in either way things have got to change or there will be no more freedom as we used to know it.

Anyway, fuck your childish car forum, it's never about cars anyway.

>>16871744
>Put some pressure on your politicians to fix your failing infrastructure
not gonna happen with Republicans in charge of Congress and in the white house. Their constituents aren't citizens, but rather corporations.

>>16880640
It's been long said that _career_ politicians regard constituents more like obstacles (to getting re-elected) and that important people, lobbyists, and corporations are their actual constituents being served.

>>16871744
>>have to pay tolls literally everywhere
Or just don't drive on toll roads like everyone else

>>toll roads are somehow in worse condition than non-toll roads
Because graft. It means that they have to charge stupid amounts of money, which causes no one to use them and their maintenance to be at the very bottom of the list.
If toll roads cost 5-10 cents, people would use them because you would likely save more than 5-10 cents of time and gas.

>Put some pressure on your politicians to fix your failing infrastructure
Democrats get too much money from graft for it to be done properly.

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>>16882128
It's a pretty big fucking difference

>>16882128
>don't drive on toll roads like everyone else
Not that guy, but in my area, due to people refusing to pass new tax bills, some bridge replacements are becoming toll bridges. So there's no avoiding tolls. I guess this is the eventual future of the USA to convert more and more things to usage permits. And those who get charged a fee without a permit end up with a big fee that's like 1/4 the cost of a monthly permit. Since you also have to go back home, that means paying the toll twice which ends up 1/2 the monthly permit fee.

>>16882187
>No Tolls
>This route has tolls

Good job.

>>16883296
Flip it around

>>16882187
>>16883296
kek

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>>16877897
http://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnels/tolls.html
Nigga please
>$15 cash rate
$10.50 off peak rate with EZ pass
>mfw all electronic tolling will soon be widespread and I won't need to slow down for the tolltag readers

>>16887288
Welcome to 15 years ago

>>16871744
Connecticut doesn't have toll roads anymore but you're right about the potholes though. In addition we have awful drivers, loads of traffic, and everything is under construction. Don't worry I-84 will be finished sometime before 2050 and will only run a few billion dollars overbudget.

Thanks Malloy.

New York tolls are fucking ridiculous though.

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>>16871744
>>16871753
>New York, Jersey, and Connecticut, Florida, NYC, west coast
>America
Pick one.

>>16887417
Us Yanks up in the Northeast here are true Americans despite what revisionist Southerners would like to believe.

>>16877035
That's the 401 just east of Leslie, it says on the sign... and I'm also rather familiar with the IKEA behind it.

>>16876851
This right here is a good poster advertisement for abortion.

>>16871773
>If he didn't pay them right then he'd get fined and arrested for tax fraud

>he actually believes this.