Why don't Toyota just bump the fucking power up by 50bhp?

>>16858868
It's fine how it is.

>200BHP
>150 torcc

If they're gonna go with 150 torcc, they may as well have thrown a renesis in it and gotten an additional 38HP. Akshully...

>Mazda stopped rotaries at 2012
>Toyobaru started at 2012

>>16858873
/thread

They just gotta fix the torque dip, up the HP by like 50 like you said OR drop the price to 23k

>>16858868
You'd say the same thing if it was 250 hp.
It's a cheap car and it's meant for tuning.
And the original 86 had 128 hp.

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>>16858868
There's no reason for them to bump the HP up; they're counting on the customer to do that themselves, however they'd like.

>Toyota
It's built by Subaru

>>16858925
Lol youre funny

>>16858896
I would own one right now if they had 250bhp from the factory. 200bhp is 4 cylinder diesel BMW territory 10 years ago, plus even those had double the torque.

>>16858868

You can't even trust twunts with the stock 200BHP let alone 50 extra.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8821

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>toyota was always jealous of the Miata
>it took them and Subaru to make the Toyobaru
>their motto was "to beat the Miata, we need to make the Miata"

>it's actually worse than a modern Miata

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>>16858868
>>16856669
jesus fuck, when will you fags stop this

>>16858940
You can crash any car ret

>>16858953
Skip to 7:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvDqFqvnxdk

The GT86 is the new MR2, did you see that hektik snap oversteer?

>>16858896
No I fucking wouldn't if it actually had good power for that price no one would bitch. but right now it has poor power and an awful torque dip

Don't tell anyone, but I work for Toyota and the reason we're keeping the 86 so underpowered is because we're making a Lexus version of it.

mine has a uel header and an ecutek racerom tune. changed the final drive to 4.55 and it's everything the car was lacking.

>>16858962
that wasn't snap oversteer, that was lift-off oversteer. anyone who rides a bike knows damn well that is how you hi-side.

>>16858991
I want to be leaf

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It is perfectly fine if you can get it for a really good price, new.

Not over 20k.

Why can't they pull a Honda and throw in the ultra high compression F20C? Toyota can do it.

>>16858908
How the fuck did that guy even afford a GT R?
Like, I get that the takahashi bros are loaded, dagumi is using his dad's car, but how the fuck can you afford a GT-R?

>>16858962
That was absolutely his fucking fault.
Who shifts up right before a corner?
He lost traction in the rear and there was no way to really control it.

just buy a decent set of UEL header and a motherfucking flash tuner AND THERE YOU GO YOU HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THE FUCKING TORQUE DIP AND GOT A DECENT MOTHERFUKING HP GAIN

its a gud car just needs some love

The torque dip is so you can lose a bit of traction to kick the tail out you idiots

>>16858896
Toyota does not want you to tune their vehicles, that's why they encrypt ECUs and void warranties. A USED, CHEAP, TUNED 86 is a good deal. A NEW, WARRANTIED, TORQUE LESS 86 is just mediocre.

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>>16858868
Go suck a fuck OP.

>>16859385
>t. assmad slowbota owner

>>16859380
Why would anyone warranty a modified car?
>i only ran it super lean for only 10 mins bruh

>>16858868
they dont have the technology.

Car sells well
poorfags who play too much forza expect every single sports car to be a 600hp turbo monster with 285s
lmao

>>16859536
As a gesture of goodwill by the manufacturer for the manufacturer being too cheap and/or lazy to include adequate horsepower in the first place.

>>16858882
>toyobaru wankel
Waht

>>16859595
I think I remember you from you posting style but I agree with you for once.

>>16859004
What's ur rpm at 100/110/120km/h?
What's ur fuel consumption at those levels?

>>16858873
>>16858883
No it's not. It's a slow piece of shit.

>>16858868
Why don't people just stop posting this fucking "Toyota needs to add power" meme? Are they retarded or what?

>>16858873
Is anything every fine. We could always have more, go consumerism

>>16859872
Because it has no power you fucking clown.

>>16858868
gt86 is supposed to be reincarnation of ae86, so it has to be weak and relatively cheap funbox. seems like it does its job flawlessly

slap turbo on it if you feel like it's not enough. even soft turbo kits should push it over 250hp

Would you guys buy a 370z over a Gt86/BRZ? Not other cars!

>>16861445
That would be fine if it weren't to expensive to modify to any reasonable degree compared to other vehicles

>>16859824
Where the hell did you think they got the name "86" from?

Exactly. A slow piece of shit Corolla.

>>16859595
>car sells well
boy are you wrong

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>>16861548
You got anything to back that up?

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>>16861552
check it boy this is European sales

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>>16861552
This is US sales, overall sells like shit. But I might get one for my next car if I can get it real cheap to do hektik skidz

>>16861552
Fuck off starlet fag

>>16859360
>having to modify it just to fix something that it should have had stock

It is Subaru engine, Toyota cannot change it. Toyota can only install what Subaru supplies them. Subaru is preparing STI version of BRZ, which will have extra HP :)

>>16859308
Rich parents maybe
How much was the gtr in Japan back then anyway?

>>16858868
wow

>>16859243
Literally because muh CoG. The MX5 never had a problem with a high centre of gravity so I don't know why Toyota decided to obsess over that above all else. If they'd stuck to a I4 they'd have a better understanding of how to improve the car.

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>>16861893
no its not. The STI variant is only gonna have upgraded brakes and suspension and a slight tweak in the body kit. That's it. No extra power.

>>16861893
>Subaru's engine
Why would that stop Toyota, since they own Fuji?

>>16859824
And you could smoke the fuck out of it in your 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods?

I think the R32 GT-R was not that expensive.

It was like a Camaro SS here.

>>16862020
My fucking corolla is faster

>>16862017
>Own Fuji
I thought they only owned 20%.

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>>16858940
>"There's a right turn I've taken a million times over the past 4 years that's very wide and has huge visibility, and I would sometimes get on the gas a little in my B16-swapped CRX through the turn."
>"I never went over the speed limit, and I only did it if there was absolutely no one else around"
>"Being a FWD, the front tires would break free a little and it would make the turn a bit more fun"

>understeer is so fun!
>mfw

This guy is a total retard kek

>>16862146
Try 17-18% tops

ITT: "if it had 50 more horsepower I'd buy it" - broke motherfuckers who couldn't buy i if it had 500 hp

>>16862730
True. I'd have bought a Tuner-Ready model if they didn't keep the bare bones model in Japan

buy a used one for 18k and put on a turbo or super for 4k and bam 320hp

if youre buying it new thats cool if you have the money, too expensive for me.

>>16861900
Jeremy Clarkson said it was £50,000 and this was 1995. So it's priced similarly to a modern GTR.

>>16859536
I'm not asking Toyota to warranty tuned cars. I'm saying that apologist fans are being disingenuous when they excuse the power issue by claiming the car is INTENDED to be modified. No, it is not. Toyota did not design the car to be tuner friendly in any way shape or form. If you buy a new 86, you're overpaying for underpowered turd of an engine that you are stuck with. It is not a good deal.

>>16863216
In this era. No plastic cover means it's tuner friendly.

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>>16858896
>it's meant for tuning.

>>16863216
There are tuning packages available that don't void the warranty, Cosworth comes to mind.

>>16861907
FR-S has a higher CoG than the MX-5, though.

emissions and fuel economy
Anyway Toyota and Subaru and just going to tell you to have fun with cars that you cant afford or to buy an open diff miata.

>>16859872
because its a "sports car" with 200hp in 2017

Just slap a fucking turbo charger STI or WRX engine in for fucks sake.

Imprezza 220 hp
SW20 MR2 240hp
ST205 250hp
S2000 235hp

>>16863569
>Just slap a fucking turbo charger STI or WRX engine in for fucks sake.
then nobody would buy the four door sedans, 86 and WRX/STI appeal to different crowds

>>16858868
The reason is because they can sell these models on just NA alone because it's a gorgeous car.

Now after a few years they can offer the Supercharged 86 for a premium and make bank off autists like Itsuki.

Then finally they get the turbo model when all the autists complain again that it's not strong enough, for even more money.

It's just business, folks!

>>16863573
>then nobody would buy the four door sedans, 86 and WRX/STI appeal to different crowds
your statement is contradictory

>>16863573
that's a good thing you fucking mongoloid

we need less fat, overpriced, outdated, turbo camrys on the road

>>16863582
>your statement is contradictory
how so? people that buy 86's arent the same that buy WRX/STI's
>>16863586
i don't understand you're frustration, Subaru sells both fine why mess with good formula? because tendie loving poorfags can't afford?

>>16863601
>how so?
Look out guys, I think we're dealing with a professional retard here.

>>16863618
how about proving me wrong?

>>16858934
>200bhp is 4 cylinder diesel BMW territory 10 years ago

A 200bhp 4 cylinder Diesel BMW 10 years ago cost more.

AE86 - 7.8 kg/hp
>omg muh godmachine hnnnng

GT86 - 6.2 kg/hp
>hurr durr no power slower than a minivan topcuck

>>16859338
>Who shifts up right before a corner?
He didn't shift up, he went form 5th to 4th. Watch it again.

>>16858868
brz is better

>>16858929
Ah yes, Toyota. The company famous for making boxer engines. It's definitely not Subaru who provides the engines, you fucking idiot

Kill yourself

>>16864044
5th to 2nd watch the vid.

>>16864137
maybe, all I know is he didn't shift up.

>>16864146
he literally says he went from 5th to 2nd watch the video fuckboy.

>>16859369
>torque dip
>meaning the car makes less power
>"it's there so you can lose traction, something that requires a power boost to do"

>>16864151
>guy claims the guy upshifted
>take a 10 second look a the vid, it's clearly a down shit
>some other guy pops in, NO it was a downshift to 2nd, he even says soooooo
Look I don't care.

>>16858991
if it retained the weight was more powerful and looked as good, maybe

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>>16863754

the god machine (takumi's 86) is actually an ae86 /w a formula atlantic 4age swapped into it.

These engines made about 240hp, in a car that weighed about 2400lbs

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>>16864167
>soooooo
If you dont care stop replying cuck.

>>16858873
Fpbp.

You faggots will argue about anything.

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>>16864177
Yea but he didn't have that engine in it until second stage

>>16864177
What is the lifetime of one of these engines are they as reliable as the original I wouldn't think so.

I-it's not a fast looking econobox it's a tuner platform

Toyota meant for us to spend an extra five grand to get the performance of a boosted miata

>>16858868
Don't be a faggot and install your own turbo charger if you want more damn power. Kits cost like 5 grand.

>>16864315
>Toyota meant for us to spend an extra five grand to get the performance of a stock Miata with a $300 canned tune
Fixed that for you.

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>This car needs more horsepower so it can be faster!
>But don't get it turbo or supercharged to give it horsepower
?
Kind of new to cars and want to get one of these, so I wanna know what the upsides and downsides of turbocharging or supercharging is.

>>16862028
In 1989 it was 4.45m yen which is $39k. Adjusted for inflation, it's $77k.

>>16864310
Its a racing engine that revs to like 12k IIRC. What do you expect haha. The fuel economy would be horrible too

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>>16864644
>Revs to 12k

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>>16858873
TORQUE DIP

pic related

>>16864584
>turbocharging
No cons
>supercharging
Parasitic loses

>>16864939
The dip is actually pretty bad. When mine was stock, the car literally felt like it wasn't accelerating. A tune will eliminate most of it and uel header will get rid of it completely.

>>16864173
I'm just in software so I don't get cc'd on all of the engineering emails, but I heard they were going to use the IS engine.
So think ~250hp v6

>>16861893
>Subaru is preparing STI version of BRZ
They have been for 5 years. I wonder how many blocks they blew up trying to turbo it. It's barely reliable at 200 hp n/a

>>16865352
They gave up on adding power and now it's just going to be a glorified cosmetic package.

>>16864939

New model has new headers and is tuned differently from what I heard to eliminate that. Otherwise it cost 2-3K to eliminate it.

>>16865578
You mean the 2017? It does not have the UEL headers and tune required to eliminate the dip.

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>>16859380

>>16864203
Not him, but the point was he didn't shift up, nor was it snap oversteer

>>16859308
>takahashi bros are rich
>shingo was a shithead
>dagumi borrows his dads

Nakazato was a rich fuck too, he had an S14 at first then decided to drop it like its hot for an R32

They would have done so much better if they just used an EJ25 or something.

>I-it's supposed to be fun, not fast!
Yeah, okay. Make whatever excuse you want, but at the end of the day, they made a shitty car. Would you excuse a 4-cylinder Corvette for the same?

>>16858868
IMO only needs 25HP more

>>16865610
Yes it does

>>16864152
actually lol'd
>>16859369
>torque dip
>not just lift off oversteer
>lets build a shittier engine

>>16865714
Used R32 GT-R's in japan were affordable in the 90's

>>16864584
turbocharging
>running oil/water lines to turbo
superchargins
>parasitic loss
>heat
>awful belt sounds
>unverified wear and tear to timing components/valvetrain

all they need to do is ditch the retarded boxer engine and go back to inline
seriously the only people who like boxer 4 engines are teenagers who dont know the difference

>>16858991
Actually wouldn't be surprised

>>16858868
>car is perfect how it is
>hurrr durrr lets fuck with it to go faster in a straight line

amerifats are amerifaggots

>>16867695
R32's were selling for about 8k in average condition when I was working Japan in '08.
I regret noy getting one so much.

>>16867746
Forgot to specify, yes I am talking about GT-R's. Non GT-R models were around fuckin' 2,500-5000

>>16867743
>'perfect'
>slow
>sounds gay

good one

>>16858868
Because they're releasing an MR2 and Supra with this being their new Celica.
You know, the underpowered good looking Celica tuner that was bought exclusively by teenage girls and their overage boyfriends?
That's what this is.

>>16867751
Regulag car reviews go away

>>16859536
>Pluralising unit symbols
I'd void your warranty for that alone.