If you fill up anywhere but shell you're not taking care

>>16823855
(you)

You know it doesn't matter because the sand niggers keep the best shit for themselves and their garages full of hypercars anyway.

>>16823859

>such is life

>>16823855
Heh a Shell shill

>>16823855
t. shell marketing department

>go to shell exclusively because of the kroger fuel discount

what's so good about it? the premium isn't ethanol free as far as i can tell.

is costco gas good? i was reading those ads above the pump and they say they use some kind of detergent in their gas

>>16823923
they are top tier certified which is the only metric that matters

>>16823855
If you heed OP you are too stupid to drive. Turn in your keys then an hero after killing OP.

Itt: kiddies who stop at any gas station because they can't into gas research.

I bet you just choose the cheapest possible option

>>16823923

Costco, chevron, exxon and shell are top tier. Only retards will argue against that

>>16823957
How do you determine the best gas? Never really thought bout this stuff before.

>>16823967
http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

all brands listed here are equally good

>>16823967

Some places fuck around and buy the cheap bottom of the barrel gas to sell to idiots with civics.

>19x more unwanted engine deposits when using cheaper quality gas after 4000 miles of driving.

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>he gives his money to the corporates
>he doesn't fill up at independent bft stations (and no, it's not a company, it's just a non-profit membership assocation to represent the interests of independents)

>>16823940

Aussies need to be culled

>Shell
Entry level loser detected.

I use exclusively C16

>>16823926
>autism

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>>16823992

>>16823992

>it's autism to about the quality of fuel you use to run your car
>in a car forum

Poorfags find any reason to justify their cheap habits. Enjoy filling up at mom and pops gas extravaganza and slowly destroying your car

>>16823973
>valero
ayyyy
for some reason i thought they were the shittiest brand in the world. all of their gas stations in my area look like trash

Filling up at Shell exclusively makes you a sucker. Any gas station listed on the Top Tier site uses more than 5x the EPA minimums for detergents in ALL grades of gas they sell, not just the most premium.

>>16823858
I don't get this. That's OP. Why are you saying You?

>>16824310
Wait so I'm on this site right now and I just found out Sunoco is debuting a new fuel blend starting April 1st, Sunoco Ultratech, the one that actually makes them a top-tier brand

Does that mean all the gas grades there will be this new high-detergent blend, or will that be another option (effectively giving us 6 fuel choices at the pump)?

>>16825071
top tier certified means every grade they sell meets their standards

I wash my car at Shell because it's close. Never fill it up there though.

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>>16823855
>moped designed for 78 octane
>shitty east german fuel
>shitty heavy tar oil
It gets fully synthetic oil, but why should I spend more on fuel?
More octane rating makes it actualy noticeably slower.
If my caburator gets dirty, I´ll clean it.

>car
>naturally aspirated
>not direct incected
>10,5:1 compression ratio
Any 95 ROZ fuel is already too good for it.
If my injectors fail, I´ll get 3 new ones.

>>16825093
Okay awesome

arco is good gas, ya?

>>16825071
>Sunoco is finally going top tier
Fucking finally, now I can gas up on the Jersey Turnpike rather than doing so on Garden state or waiting until I hit new york.

As the other anon said and the site says
>In addition, all grades of gasoline sold under the licensed brands listed below must meet the high standards of TOP TIER™ Detergent Gasoline
>Furthermore, all retail locations within the US (including US Territories) and Canada which carry the licensed brands listed below must meet the high standards of TOP TIER™ Detergent Gasoline.

>>16825227
arco is top tier (all grades have more than 5x the EPA Minimum detergents, in all blends of fuel, at all US/Canada locations).

any brand listed here is good gas:
http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

I thought Chevron with Techron was supposed to be pretty good. Is shell better?

and how about safeway/vons/fredmeyers grocery store gas stations? is that quality gas?

>>16825239
chevron, shell, mobil, BP, and a bunch of others are top tier, meaning they meet the much higher detergent standards of leading automakers (more than 5x of what the US government makes fuel producers put in fuel as a minimum) in all grades of gas (regular through premium) at all locations.

>>16825245
they aren't top tier which means less detergents to prevent engine buildup.
http://newsroom.aaa.com/2016/07/aaa-not-gasoline-created-equal/
>Among brands tested, non-TOP TIER gasolines caused 19 times more engine deposits than TOP TIER brands after just 4,000 miles of simulated driving. Such carbon deposits are known to reduce fuel economy, increase emissions and negatively impact vehicle performance, particularly on newer vehicles. To protect vehicle investments, AAA urges drivers to use a gasoline that meets TOP TIER standards for engine cleanliness and performance

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>>16825289 here
forgot pic

>>16825239
It's marketing. Chevron is good, so is BP, so is 76, so is Shell, etc.

Really the OP should be making a thread about filling up on zero ethanol gas if he wants to feel superior.

http://www.pure-gas.org/

>>16825303

Valves are stupid. That was a stupid idea.

Do I realy have to care about carbon deposits, if I run my engine under full load close to the revlimit for 30min/week?

>>16825360
Detergents affect the deposits throughout the entire engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Tier_Detergent_Gasoline
>Top Tier Detergent Gasoline is a performance specification and trademark designed and supported by several major automakers — BMW, General Motors, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, and Audi (as of 2017). Top Tier gasolines must maintain levels of detergent additives that result in a higher standard of engine cleanliness and performance as compared to the EPA requirement. In addition, Top Tier fuels may not contain metallic additives, which can harm the vehicle emission system and create pollutants. Each of these automakers recommends the use of Top Tier Detergent Gasoline in their owner's manuals. As of 2017, Top Tier Detergent Gasoline is available from 48 licensed retail brands.

>>16825377

A redline a day keeps the carbon away.

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>>16823855

I fill up at home, actually.

>>16825399
Why get a bare bones single motor with 19s that doesn't even have the tech package, but pay for the pano roof? I've never understood this, there are lots of S's specced like that.

>>16825430
Tesla buyers are idiots. Who would have thought?

I fill up at Esso with premium gasoline

>>16823957
Yep, thats exactly what I do.

>>16823973
>all brands listed here are equally good
lists every gas station in existence

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I also suppose you think you can get 108 octane from 93 octane gas and fuel additives.

>>16824003
Only retarded normies care about gas quality.

>>16825399

you fill up your mouth with jizz at home, yeah

>>16823855
Literally the only gas I put in my car.

https://recombu.com/cars/article/is-it-worth-buying-shell-v-power-nitro-fuel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WPfLnVuQyM

>Shell
Shell doesn't sell methanol here.

So what about just using whatever gas you can find and dumping in a little bit of redline SI-1 or whatever, the fuel system detergent stuff.

Wouldn't that basically be the same exact thing if we're talking about fuel detergents?

Even if it does I doubt it would be cost effective considering a ~$12 bottle does 100 gallons, so it effectively bumps your price by 12 cents per gallon.

>>16825430

I dunno. I guess they know what they want.

I don't actually have a Tesla. ;-;

>>16826771
:^)

>>16823855
They don't have E85 though.

>>16823855
>implying I don't already take the bus

>>16826829

Oh, snap! You rekt me.

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I could understand if you had said sunoco , especially if your vehicle requires the higher octane .
But SHELL?
Why

>>16823855
i gots nothing against shell (rebranded Z here) BUT they are trying to copy BP connect. and BP here has premium 98 octane at the pump (and better pies) Z only has 95...

gull and mobil sell the cheaper watered down E10 (10% ethanol content) gas

and E85 is too hard to find if you live outside the main cities

>>16826834
Does your vehicle knock using lower octanes?

>>16826947
V-powaaaaaa

>>16826973
Don't know, never tried it.

Worth noting is that I drive an RX-8, so any small increase in lubrication or decrease in carbon buildup is greatly appreciated.

>>16825238
How the fuck is Valero top tier? Their gas is fucking horrible

Every vehicle I drive is a tank in terms of engine reliability and NA so I don't really give a shit except for a carburated lawnmower that only gets ethanol free

>>16825399
Nice engine, a shame about the battery and dystopian tracking/remote access features

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>>16823973
>the only gas stations near me are all on that list
>both of my shitboxes take 89 anyway and will run on garbage 87 if I had to

>>16824017
Ty based Valero and your cheap gas in bad neighborhoods

>>16823855
Shell/Circle K has the worst coffee of all gas stations, and that's all I care about.

>>16823855
>Shell
IDK about other nations but shell fuel in australia is trash. Consistently lying about the octane rating of their 95 (95 isn't subject to the same requirements as 98) and their diesel is always copping the blame for destroying cars.

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>>16825399
>pay through your nose, but no snob appeal like Benz/BMW...
>100 mile range (and that's for the big battery model).
>after 100 miles make sure to find something to do for at least 4 hours.
>usually drives around in a rental Chevy Cruz cuz beyond muh 100 miles/4 hours two-way.

>>16823859
You uh.. You really don't understand how that works, do you?

so where does kroger get their gas? It seems decent (runs just as well as shell does) as seen by my knock counts but is usually 10+ cents cheaper

>>16827705
Kroger gas is shit. I live in Columbus and I rarely see newer cars go there.

Chevron > Shell

>>16827737
not so near me, maybe you just live in a shit part of town

>>16823855
Shell 93 octane in my car, mainly because the Shell station is within walking distance. For some reason all the Shell stations near me are ghetto shitholes.

But I get 3.5c/L off at the grocery store and just buy a $5 bottle of techron-like shit and put 1/3 in the last tank before next oil change, my valves love me they told me

>>16827752
Nope. Kroger gas is generally garbage. I live in a wealthier Suburb of Columbus. We generally regard it and giant Eagle as shit tier gas.

>>16825391

This is why coming to /o/ is intimidating. So many /o/-related norms are distorted every time I visit. Is this true? I never redline my car after years of hearing from my father that this kind of stress on an engine decreases the lifespan.

aral is better fucking pleb

>>16825385
Sounds like the biggest load of lobbying/marketing I've ever heard.

Worse than "only buy wipers with RainX!"

or

"A JD Power top pick for dependability!"

>>16828887
it isn't true

it used to be in the days of carbs but modern cars with EFI don't have problems like that

>>16825038
OP is just baiting. Replying with anything else would just encourage discussion.

>>16823973
>Arco
Both my trucks run like shit with Arco gas, at three seperate locations as well.

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>>16825105
>east german fuel

How old are you grandpa? East germany hasn't been a thing since the wall came down....

you can tell who the plebs with cars under 10k are from their replies on this thread

>>16823855
There's a shell and a citgo across the street from each other where I live and the shell always charges about 20 cents more per gallon

>>16830577

>theres a mcdonalds and a regular restaurant across the street from each other and the restaurant always charges more per meal.
>no difference

>>16830605
>being this much of a rube
They buy their gas from the same tanker truck. There is no difference.

>>16823855
Buthurt Nigerian prince scam artist detected.

>>16823855
They closed the one shellthat was open here at wvu. :L

I run a 93 octane tune and my STI seems to like BP more than exxon. Is there actually any difference between the two, or is it all psychological?

>>16830642
There's no difference. They all but from the same wholesalers. Any additives they advertise are snake oil.

>>16827568
>>100 mile range (and that's for the big battery model).

It's 351 miles.

https://www.tesla.com/models

>>after 100 miles make sure to find something to do for at least 4 hours.
>>usually drives around in a rental Chevy Cruz cuz beyond muh 100 miles/4 hours two-way.

"...giving the 90 kWh Model S an additional 170 miles (270 km) of range in about 30 minutes charge..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_station

>>16823855
>he doesn't oil his gas

I wonder how many shills are in this thread.

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>not knowing about the superior gasoline STIHL produces.

>stays good for over 3 years

>makes for easier startups

>better emissions

>exhaust smells good

it's expensive AF though, about 75€ for 20 liters

>>16833198
>5.28 gallons priced at 79.55 USD
>$15.066 USD/gallon
holy shit you weren't kidding, even in meme states premium 93 octane ethanol free at good stations rarely exceeds $3.50/gal

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Not a single mention about the greatest gas station ever

>>16833250
yep. but shits fucking good for your engine.

though designed for small engines it works perfectly for bigger engines too. it burns better, it's cleaner, and has a cleaning effect on your carb & all.

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How does one go about convincing a friend that drives a 1990 Hilux with the 2.4 diesel that buying the "V-Power Nitro+ Diesel" fuel for a truck that could run quite happily on used frying oil isn't going to be preserving his engine any more than regular diesel?

>>16823973
There are two gas stations that I frequent: the one near my house and one near my office.
Neither of them are listed there.

>>16833198

Pretty sure that's re-branded VP or something. You can get a can of the good shit for less than that.

Thoughts on BP Ultimate? That's what I use in my Lexus.

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w-what gas stations should I stay away ftom if I love my car?

>>16834409

3 links in the thread already

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>he doesn't drill his own petroleum

>>16833280
>built-in restaurants
>gift shops
comfy as fuck on road trips.

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>>16823923
I'm fairly certain Costco gas is Shell gas. Costco only stocks the good shit at their stores.
I fucking love Costco.

>>16823855
Shell doesn't sell 94 octane where I live. I have to rely on Petro Canada or Husky.

>>16823855
Don't you amerifags have some kind of state officer who controls the quality of products etc.? Are you really this backwards?

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>>16823967
>How do you determine the best gas? Never really thought bout this stuff before.

There are all kinds of gasolines because there are all kinds of raw petroleum. Some petroleum is very tarry, some is quite liquid. Much of it has a lot of sulfur which has to be refined out to meet the minimum grade of gasoline. Additional refining can be done to reduce the sulfur levels.

It is important to remember that Top Tier Gasoline is not invented by the gas companies. It is a minimum standard created by the car companies such as GM, Mercedes, Toyota, Honda, and BMW. VW only joined later after it was established. The car companies were concerned that gas companies created only the minimum quality fuel required by the EPA and DOT. That's good for gas company profits, but makes it hard for car companies to meet EPA requirements for sulfur emissions, MPG, and not get dirty valves due to minimal detergent. Costco puts 5X the minimum required detergent that non-top tier gas might have.

Top Tier gasoline has various requirements. It prohibits certain metallic additives. It sets a max limit of 10% ethanol which means that winter gasoline which typically has more ethanol is limited to 10% even for the premium. Since ethanol has a higher octane than gasoline, it is used as an ingredient to boost octane in the premium gasoline at the cut rate gas stations. Sam's Club gas is not top tier.

Top Tier gas also has tighter sulfur restrictions than the lower grade gasoline.

>>16826771
>lists every gas station in existence
walmart and Sam's Club are NOT top tier gas and those are quite a few stations.

Top Tier doesn't use methanol to boost octane. You can see the dollar stores sell octane booster bottles and the rear label clearly says it contains methanol.

>>16823855
If you dont fill up with 109 octane or higher you're not taking care of your car and you might as well take the bus

>>16841430
They're using usa octane rating system and not EU octane.

Octane =/= detergent and other additives

>>16823859
99.99999999999999% of these soposed sand niggers live off a tenth of what you get paid yearly

>>16841430
My car's owner's manual recommends against using cheap fuels using methanol additives as cleaners or octane boosters.

>>16825308
>Really the OP should be making a thread about filling up on zero ethanol gas if he wants to feel superior.
Wintertime gas formula has more ethanol in it.

>>16839205
t. Christine Baskets

I use 76, what's the difference?

>>16823855
I work for Shell Canada Energy. Ask me anything.

I came to this board for the first time in my life, and I find out that there are car fuel elitists. Fucking kek. I could not be bothered to even think about gas. I just fill up on the cheapest option at wherever's closest. The 50 dollars you save per year for not having to replace stuff every 5th year is so is not worth the time spent on this crap.

>>16823855
>shell
>not chevron

>>16847079
Which gas station brands sell the higher sulfur gasolines?

>>16823855
I thought shell had best fuel availble, I remember reading test few years ago with such results, maybe varies from country to country.

>>16839205

Fuck yes. Costco is awesome. Big everything.

I usually refill at Aral, OMV or Eni

>>16849173
>I thought shell had best fuel availble
The top tier gasolines are probably all from the same set of storage tanks at your local terminal. It is just the additive packages that make it different from chevron, arco, bp, costco, etc.

Similarly, the non-top tier gasoline (higher sulfur, less refining) probably have their own tanks. This is because gasoline is shipped to various cities by pipeline and then stored in large tanks.

http://www.refinerlink.com/blog/Pipelines_Ship_Refinery_Products_to_Pump

http://old.post-gazette.com/transportation/20040104gratacoltrans2p2.asp

https://www.quora.com/How-are-different-fuel-types-transported-down-a-pipeline

>>16825308
It's just that for winter months, adding up to 10% ethanol (oxygenated fuel) improves emissions.

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>>16839205
And Costco loves you

>>16843886
good.

>not distilling your own ethanol in your garage

What are you going to do when every brand new car is electric and gas stops being sold?

>>16823855
if you don't throw in a 500 gallon treatment of upper cylinder lubricant you aren't taking care of your car

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Been filling up with gas not on the list, can any carbon build up there might be be reversed by switching to a better brand