Are air tools a meme for the home mechanic? My dad had air tools

No, air tools are not meme. Dollar for dollar, no battery or electric tool will perform nearly as well as its pneumatic equivalent.

>>16778335
This, As of yet no electric can put out a 1000 ftlb's of torque

For every day and minor shit they're ok though.

Depends what you are working on. If you have an old rusty F350 and want to put a lift kit on it you should probably invest in a compressor and some air tools. If you have an S2000 you can do everything with cordless stuff. The only thing I use an air impact for is taking off harmonic balancers and wheel bearing nuts, electric is enough for everything else I do, but I don't work on trucks or old rusted shit. Also air die grinders are 10x better than electrics, if you need to use one to use a cutoff wheel in a tight space air is really the only choice for now.

>>16778335
well i think cordless anything are memes for diy'ers. with the exception of a small cordless drill/driver for when you have to turn off the breakers to install something, corded tools gives you convenience of electric tools without the retardation of batteries and chargers.

>>16778397
>harmonic balancers

I've been told not to use air tools on anything attached to the crank, this true?

Nothing beats air. Invest in a decent 2 stage compressor and never worry again.

>>16778409
>cordless anything are memes
Have fun lugging a compressor and 100m of hose and extension lead around site then

>>16778426
Depends, if you are flat rate or in a hurry it's fine, if you are hourly you can go ahead and break it loose with two people awkwardly holding a pry bar on the flywheel

>>16778426
Putting it on yeah don't use air but taking it off yeah it doesn't matter

>>16778297
Air tools plus
> air up tires
> blow shit out
> paint

The best is rusted or tough bolts, that hammer action. Second best is air ratchet in tight spots.

>>16778441
Also any decent cordless will have a battery life of at least 4 hours unless you are putting 75mm bugle screws into hardwood or something ridiculous

>>16778441
> not having a garage
> not plumbing garage with air lines
> not having a hundred foot spool at the door for when your buddy brings his junk to your driveway

I'm kidding. I don't have any buddies.

>>16778441
>meters
Found your problem right there, yuropoor.

>>16778441
>for diy'ers
of course for tradesmen and people who need power tools on site, cordless tools make sense. and i'm sure for these people it also makes sense to upgrade every few years and get replacement batteries regularly. but for hobbyists such as myself it doesn't make sense

>>16778297
Cordless impact wrench is only useful if you spend a lot of time at the junkyard. Otherwise you're better off spending that money on an air tool. Impact driver can be useful for stuff around the house, though.

>>16778441
Dude 25ft of hose and a mobile 30gallon air compressor will suffice.

>>16778471
What if I told you I was an American who refuses to use inferior units of measurement?

>>16778482
I'd say you're a liar.

>>16778486
What gave it away

>>16778504
No American uses meters instead of feet when talking about hose, rope, cord, etc. Literally not a single one.

>>16778360

And what would a home mechanic need 1000 ft lb's of torque for

>>16778564
Axle nuts, certain suspension components. 19mm+ Rusty bolts that absolutely refuse to come off.

>>16778564
It's not a matter of need, as much as a matter of want.

>>16778564
Obviously you don't work on cars much
If a bolt is stuck it's stuck it doesn't matter if it's stuck at a shop or at your house

>>16778564
Anybody who does serious wrenching on a vehicle can use 1000 ft. lbs. It's especially needed when doing rusty suspension work.

That said, last winter my son took the entire front axle out from under his 94 F150 4x4 to replace the bushings using nothing but hand tools. He was able to do it because he drenched everything in homemade penetrating fluid (50/50 Acetone and ATF), and wire brushed all of the bolts threads.

That said, had he not done the penetrating fluid or careful cleaning of the threads, it could have easily required a strong as fuck pneumatic impact gun.

>>16778570

I've got a ryobi one+ impact wrench and there's not a single thing it's struggled on.

>>16778575

I have done plenty of suspension/etc work on 2 of my cars and my motorbike.

Oh wait I forgot this is /o/ where none of you cunts actually work on cars, just talk about it pretending you know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>16778578
That atf acetone mix is a meme it doesn't even work, the acetone and atf are immiscible, they are dissimilar and will not mix together, the atf just sinks to the bottom and acetone floats, better off with pb blaster or kroil

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>>16778582
?
I literally work in a shop, I've been a mechanic for years

>>16778582
Bullshit. You're talking out of your ass. I have that exact same one, and it's not good for fuckall past 100-ish ft. lbs. So, lugnuts, and that's about it.

>>16778591

Great so you should know better.

Battery tools are absolutely perfect for a home mechanic. Not to mention a home mechanic doesn't NEED 1000 ft lbs often enough to justify a large compressor/etc.

>>16778594

Get it replaced because it's broken. Or it's you that's talking out your ass.

>>16778564
>And what would a home mechanic need 1000 ft lb's of torque for

Are you serious?
That's like asking why anyone would need a hot wrench at home.

>>16778587
What is "shake the bottle first" for $200, Alex?

>>16778605

Kill yourself

>>16778605
That's my next purchase. I've even got a notification setup on CL for one when one comes up.

>>16778603
You keep saying home as if it makes some difference where the stuck fastener is located, I was going a timing belt job at my house and the timing belt pulley was stuck, my harbor feight earthquake impact failed to get it off and that thing is rated for 750ftlb, I was doing the timing belt on my Honda Accord in my driveway at home and that bolt was also impossible to get off, the location of the bolt, be it at home or at a shop makes no difference on how stuck it is.
Tldr you're really stupid

>>16778297
If you have the money go for it
air tools are for poor folk

>>16778608
>forming an emulsion
Why would that even work?
They do not mix, it's not going to be effective if they don't fucking mix, the acetone is supposed to reduce the surface tension of the atf to allow it to flow more easily into cracks and such, if the atf doesn't dissolve in the acetone it's not going to be effective.

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>>16778625

>autism detected

>You keep saying home

Read the OP fuckhead.

>>16778618
Same, they pop up from time to time. I bought one of those induction heaters, and while it works good, it's uses are every limited. Torch beats it nearly every time.

>>16778625
so you needed ~1000ftlb once when you weren't at work and that justifies a weekend warrior needing 1000ftlb on hand at all times

>>16778625
You ever done the "stuff 10 feet of fuel line down the #1 cylinder" trick? Do that then put a breaker bar with a long cheater on the crank bolt. Shit works.

Of course, if you don't know what you're doing, you can fuck up your valves quick, fast, and in a hurry, so that's something that you must be careful with. Make good goddamned sure you're on the compression stroke or you'll be pulling the head.

>>16778644
Yes, and I have example of home jobs that would require 1000ft lbs of torque, did you even read the post?
I use that electric impact to remove T25 torx screws that hold the fenders on the buggies, anything else I use the air impact, you know the impact powered by that giant air compressor in the background with that red hose laying on the floor

>>16778650
You can never have enough torque.

>>16778650
~1000ftlb isn't even that much, any semi decent 1/2" impacts are rated for that or more.

>>16778650
Harbor Freight sells the earthquake xt which makes a true 1000ft lb for 150 dollars, so yeah it's easy to say that a home mechanic can and should have a tool that can do 1000ft lb

>>16778655
Yes I've done this many times, for the Honda I just hit the bolt head with a torch and it came right off with the impact

>>16778659

Yes I did. It is FAR more cost effective for a [trigger warning for you] home 'mechanic' to buy battery powered tools than it is to buy a compressor and air tools with enough flow/power to get to ~1000ftlbs which is RARELY needed.

Nobody is saying air tools aren't powerful as fuck, but your attitude is elitist and retarded.

It's like telling a home cook to buy a $20k induction hob when a consumer grade one will be absolutely perfect for 99.99999% of their cooking.

>>16778675
Dude I got my 30 gallon air compressor for 80 bucks off Craigslist, 70 dollars for an earthquake impact from harbor freight, 20 dollars for a set of impact sockets, that's it you're done, and you can buy more air tools in the future.
God damn how poor are you?

>>16778675
A decent air compressor isn't that expensive. If you want to do any painting or run a blasting cabinet you need one anyways.

A good compressor is probably one of the most important investments any semi serious weekend warrior can make.

>work on cars
>have both

>>16778675
Just wait, one day you'll find that fuck you bolt half way through a tear down, and can't get it off.

And then you'll curse yourself becuase now you have to waste several hours putting all that shit back together, and take it to a shop.

All because you didn't have the proper tool.


Any decent hobbyist mechanic whose done it for a while will come to that point, better to have it than not.

If you haven't then you haven't been doing it long enough.

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>>16778675
You're smoking crack, heroin, and methamphetamine if you think that for the price of an entry level 20 gallon Craftsman compressor and Ingersoll-Rand impact gun you can buy a cordless impact that will have the same performance.

This is my 17 year old Craftsman that I paid an entire $180 for, along with my newly rebuilt Snappy IM5100 impact that I scored for $60.

You tell me a cordless impact that costs $240, including battery and charger, that will approach this setup.

I got the Kobalt corded impact from Lowe's a few years back and it's been great. This guy got over 600 ft-lb from it, perfect for working on my Subaru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3tl2CEEUTI

I've got a high quality pnuematic impact, I quit using it since I got high quality cordless impacts.
Only time I think I used it since was when I needed the power in a smaller form.

>>16778756
For Under $300 you can be set with a cordless impact that will outperform that.

>>16778818
Name it.

>>16778756
>$10 cheaper
>3 times the torque
At least you tried.

http://www.cpopowertools.com/dewalt-dcf899b-20v-max-xr-cordless-lithium-ion-1-2-in--brushless-detent-pin-impact-wrench--bare-tool-/dewndcf899b,default,pd.html

>>16778980
>detent pin

>>16778980
That's bare tool, fucknuts. Add the required Two batteries and a charger, you're at $500.

Try again.

>>16778980
>doesn't come with battery or charger

>>16778983
>literally irrelevant

>>16778996
>>16778998
Good thing it shares the same battery and charger as all your other tools that you already have. Or if you have Milwaukee or Makita or Bosch tools or whatever, get their equivalent and don't bitch if you locked yourself in to a more expensive brand. You have only yourself to blame.

>>16778980
not the same guy, but I don't like having to take breaks to charge shit.

Also it will be totally obsolete in several years, and the batteries may or may not be compatible with new ones.

>>16779011
Not to mention this thread is about convenience, not poorfag cost efficacy.

>>16779011
That doesn't even make sense. You have to buy fucking batteries at some point, and the fuckers are $70 each. And the charger is yet another $70. You have to fucking buy them. Just like I had to fucking buy my compressor to run my tool. You saying

"DERP I ALREAYD HVE BTTERYS, LEL"

doesn't cut it. The entire cost of the rig must be accounted for.

>>16779027
> about convenience

>go to remove stubborn bolt
>WHOOPS LOL BATTERY IS DEAD
>wait for battery to charge

or
>plug in air hose
>remove bolt

>>16779016
Great point. Even the best batteries don't last more than a couple of years. At $70-100 a pop, depending on manufacturer, that fucking shit gets even more pricy. Compressors can run for literally decades with little to no maintenance other than a once a year oil change and maybe a new belt every 5.

>>16778675
>backyard mechanic
After working for years with just regular ol' hand tools the best purchase for my garage was a 40gal compressor to finally be able to use all the air tools I bought for work, at home. Cordless impact is nice and all, but I love being able to run my impacts, die grinders, air ratchets and air pencil grinders. Life gets a lot easier on some jobs when you're able to slip a little 2" zip disc on the end of a die grinder into a tight spot.

>>16778996
>>16778996
Adding in battery and a charger for that kit comes out to $320. And it's not a clapped out old crapon with garbage specs being run on an undersized noisey powerhog compressor.

>>16779027
>>16779054
You should already have at least 2 and probably more like 3-5 batteries between all your power tools. If you have 37 power tools, you don't need 37 batteries. But if you have a single drill, at least two batteries is nearly mandatory. If you have a drill and a impact driver and a circular saw and a grinder and whatever the fuck else, you'll already have all the batteries you need.

Two batteries will last longer than a 20 gallon air compressor, anyway.

>>16778297
Tools are for pussies lmao. You can use your bare hands for most jobs if you know what you're doing

>>16779105
>t. Never worked on anything

>>16779092
>6.2 SCFM at 90
>undersized
Pick one

>one battery
Awesome working for 10 minutes, then waiting 30 to go again.

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>>16779105
this made me laff

>>16779095
Same thing goes for a compressor. But unlike batteries, you only need *one*. Ever.

Three batteries cost what a decent entry level compressor costs. And that compressor will work for 20-30 years. How long will you get out of your three batteries?

>>16779095
>battery powered angle grinders
Absolutely disgusting

>>16779136
>t. pussy

>>16779163
Nice b8 m8, I'm sure you turn stuck bolts with your fingers and grind steel with your ass cheeks.

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>>16779153
Another thing to think about is a decent compressor doesn't lose it's value. I paid $250 for this good old US made 220v, 30 gal, 3 lung dayton years ago, and it's still worth the same now. I plan on upgrading to a 80gal, 2 stage vertical this year, and I'll easily get the money I spent on the dayton back, if not turn a bit of profit too.

>>16779159
Those 60v Dewalts are pretty tempting (obviously too niche for a home wrencher and not a replacement for a corded 5 inch though)

>>16779177
You can turn bolts if you heat them up first

>>16779180
Good used compressors are always getting snatched up around here the same day they're posted. Bit of a piss off when you call buddy and its already gone hah.

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>>16778360
1100 lbs. What next?

>>16779153
So do you or do you not already have a cordless drill with a pair of batteries? And if not, what do you do if you find yourself in one of the countless situations which require drilling or screwing things around the house? Do you wheel your air compressor into the kitchen?

>>16779184
I've used that grinder, a co-worker bought one. It heats up really fast if you're putting pressure on it and the battery doesn't last long. In my line of work (powerplant inspector) everything is a consumable, even the 14 amp dewalts burn out in 3-6 months (I play the musical chair warranty game like a pro)

>>16779211
I have that. Shit's cash, strongest gun in the shop besides an $900 SO and a 3/4" IR. Even better than the guy next to me's $750 SO pneumatic or his SO cordless.

>>16779231
I meant 13 amp

I've got an electric impact and it has come in handy quite a few times, but don't get one thinking it'll be an end all tool.
A couple examples I can think of:
Good - spindle nut when I was changing front wheel bearings. I tried some creative bracing techniques to try to loosen the nut with a breaker bar instead of just turn the hub, but couldn't get anything to work. My impact zipped it right off when I got smart enough to try it.
Bad - Tried to use it to break loose some severely rusted nuts on both sway bar end links and rear shock mounts. Both times it just made noise and didn't do shit, had to break the bolts with a big ass breaker bar.

I love mine and its nice to not have to hook up a whole air compressor and hose every time to use it, but go air if you want real power

>>16779065
>Two batteries
>One is always charging
>Swapping batteries takes two seconds

Vs.

>Lol hoses
>BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP

>>16778625
I did a honda timing belt job with my cordless tools. I reversed it a time or two and the crank bolt came right off.

No, if you do your own handiwork getting a compressor is a must. The tools are just better, you'd get used to dealing with hoses and the noise.

>>16779270
Been doing it my whole life. Have air tools now. Don't like dealing with hoses.

Have a 20v DeWalt drill. It rules. Sided my entire house with it.

Just wondering if a cordless impact can break bolts I guess.

>>16779279
A cordless impact will snap heads clean off 8mm screws into heavy steel
I'd say that's enough to break a bolt

>>16779137
We're still talking about home mechanic right?
Because I run my batteries for days on end without a charge. Not sure where you think all this power is going in 10 minutes.
You must still think it's 2004 with clapped out dewilt nicads.
The cordless tool game has picked up exceptionally in the last 5 years.

>>16779300
Is DeWalt still top shit or should I look at Milwaukee or Makita or Ryobi?

>>16779237
>>16779211
>tfw you could have had a made in USA or Japan tool for $100 less than your chinkshit Milwaukees

https://www.ohiopowertool.com/p-15481-makita-lithium-ion-brushless-high-torque-12-impact-wrench-bare-tool-xwt08z.aspx?gclid=CL_i2d_1wNICFUtNfgodC9AE9w

Also, this one comes with a battery so you air tool dinosaurs can suck it.

>>16778297
For home use cordless will be cheaper than setting up a good air system. A decent system will easily cost over $500 just for the ability to run air tools. You'll need a compressor, a 220 volt circuit to run the compressor, regulator, dryer, air hose, air hose couplings, and of course you'll have the joy of servicing it every year with belts and oil.

To give you an idea of how good modern cordless tools are I don't even use an air impact when I work on semi trucks because my cordless is just so much more convenient. In fact virtually all the techs at work use almost exclusively cordless tools. We only use air for specialty tools or to clean the shop.

>>16779306
Go with whatever you have batteries for. If you're just starting out, buy Makita (manufactured in Japan & USA) or Metabo (manufactured in Germany). DeWalt and their SB&D cousins claim to be made in the US, but they're made in Mexico with Chinese parts and then get "final assembly" in the US. Basically just torque down one bolt and throw it in the box.

>>16779306
Check out this guys videos, he takes them apart and looks at everything, the molds, the motor, looks at the draw on an oscilloscope, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/user/arduinoversusevil
For me it just depends on what other tools I might use that use the same battery, so I use Milwaukee who make a cordless ratchet which is something I use all the time. Snap On and Matco have the best cordless impacts but they cost more than 2x the price of Milwaukee, Makita, DeWalt, etc.

>>16779300
A cordless grinder will last about 5 minutes if you give it a hot supper

>>16779306
Dewalt is still a premier brand. Maybe not the best at everything, but you can't go wrong either.

>>16779380
Not even close.

>>16779396

Is their "20v" actually superior to 18v or is it just marketing bullshit?

>>16779320
Makita just doesn't have a good tool selection. Sorry but I'm just not really that interested in a fucking battery powered coffee maker. Makita wasn't even making a good impact when I started my collection.

>>16779404
Haven't used the 18v but the 20v have all been day in day out reliable. They either last forever or conveniently break under warranty.

>>16779404
It's an 18 volt marketed as a 20 volt. I'd stay away from dewalt considering how abruptly they dropped the 18v nicad line. Their "20 volt" line has been out for a couple years and they're already phasing it out for their new flex volt bullshit.


Dewalt is a great brand if you want to be forced to buy new tools every 2 years.

>>16779404
It's the same as anyone else's 18v, 5 18650 cells in series

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>>16779380

>>16779407
Op here. I have an old DeWalt but it's not an XD, so if I bought new cordless tools now I'm not really tied to any brand... Is there something explicitly wrong with Makita's current impacts?

Japanese/American assembly gives me a chub.

>>16779435
>keep yer dick in a vice :)

>>16779443
Your old dewalt is obsolete as is the battery platform it is based on. Theres nothing wrong with makita impacts, but makita doesn't make very many automotive tools. You're buying into a platform not just one tool.

I prefer milwaukee for their tool selection, but dewalt is a close second in that regard.

>>16779464
>focus you fack

>>16779483
I haven't found another online reviewer that listed the time (in minutes) of cordless grinders, only "cuts through a half in bar stock 55 times!" Or "slices through rebar 75 times!"

>>16779500
Battery life will vary with amperage draw which varies with load so it makes run time in minutes a pretty inaccurate figure unless of course were talking about a constant load tool like a flashlight or vacuum cleaner.

>>16779476
What cordless tools does one actually need for automotive work apart from a drill and impact? I'm drawing a blank.

>>16779211
THICC

>>16779651
Ratchet or 90 degree drill is nice. Reciprocating saw is good to take to junkyards. But that's about it

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>>16778625
>Harbor Freight impact wrench

>>16779306
I'd go with either DeWalt or Makita. Milwaukee is overpriced, and I've heard their quality isn't what it used to be. Ryobi's quality isn't anywhere near those three.

>>16779404
Everybody's lithium 18 volts are technically 20 volts fully charged and under no load, DeWalt just advertises theirs as 20 volts because it sounds cool and it causes less confusion with their older Nickel battery tools.

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>>16779407
>Makita doesn't have a good tool selection
In general, or automotive tools? Their tool selection is pretty huge.

>>16779852
Cool, Makita makes both of those. There's no reason not to go with them, then?

>>16781508
>tfw no qt nipponese pitbike

>>16778474
Honestly, lithium batteries these days last a hell of a lot longer than you'd think. I've just junked my old Makita 18v batteries (dreaded red/green flashing lights) I bought when they first brought them our, about 2007.
>>16778452
This. I bought a Chinese brand 21 gallon unit a while back. Decent value and was rated at 18cfm capacity with 13cfm FAD which is about the biggest single phase delivery you can get. Continued to buy some second hand Blue Point air tools off eBay and it's happy days.

>>16781556
>18 cfm

cough, cough, cough, BULLSHIT. Somebody lied to you. You aren't getting an 18 cfm compressor unless it's $2000 or more, running on a gasoline engine or 240 VAC.

>>16778447
Ok that's pretty funny

>>16781476
Not him but the earthquake impact is a good deal desu

>>16781773
I just find it funny that he's shittalking electric tools by using Harbor Freight as an example.

>>16781832
It's sort of valid because Harbor Freight air tools are usable but their electrics are trash.

>>16782303
The bigger issue is that he spoke so highly of pneumatic tools but failed to remove a honda crank bolt with one while I was able to remove the crank bolt with a cordless impact fairly easily.

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Still need a mid torque impact, cordless screwdriver, dremel, sawzall, and maybe a weedeater for shits and giggles.

>>16782589
Yes, but it's mrcummy so he's probably doing things all sorts of wrong. Doesn't mean he can't have a point there.

>>16782589
>while I was able to remove the crank bolt
You removed my crank bolt?
I think you mean to say "while I was able to remove A crank bolt"
Not mine, but one of yours.
And it did end up removing the bolt after I applied heat, the crank pulley bolts on the F series motors are known to be extremely difficult to remove.

>>16781832
the harbor freight earthquake line is just an ingersol rand clone, and a decent one at that, lots of testing has been done on it and it's a quality tool, disregarding something just because of brand is stupid, especially when that thing has been proven to be good via 3rd party testing

>>16781705
It's free air delivery, in case you missed it, is 13cfm. It's a TA65 Fusheng style three cylinder pump, so I have no doubt of its capability. If you're talking 18cfm FAD, that's another story.

I mean, if you're a hobby wrencher like the most of us an electric impact gun is plenty - but when you do work all day and you need to use it for heavier applications then electric just doesn't do it

Super seized nuts with loctite and so on are satans little creations, and you simply wont be able to get them off with that - you'd sooner break the gun or your arm

>>16782904
Impact wrenches won't torque your arm that badly.

>>16778756
What's the flow rate on that air compressor fuckhole

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>>16782921
Never underestimate the power of stupid people with spaghetti arms

>>16782938
6.2 SCFM at 90

Plenty of air. Plenty.

>>16778360
Wrong Makita makes one and most other power tool makers make one too

>>16779159
U wot? A battery angle grinder is the single best portable destruction tool in the world. I even carry mine in the boot if I park in the city in case of illegal wheel clamps

>>16778335
No. It's not 2004 anymore. I have a snap on MG-725 air gun and a Milwaukee m18 fuel 1/2" impact. The battery gun IS hands down more powerful. I do this shit every day as a heavy truck mechanic, not just as a hobby.

Also the Milwaukee gun was cheaper than the snap on one

>>16779380
Even corded 4inch likes to die every 5 seconds if given hard work..
They are grinders dude not an oxy torch

>>16779407
>makita doesn't have a good selection
They make cheap flimsy shit but to say they don't have one of the widest selection of any manufacturer is straight retarded

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>>16779651
Get one of these too. It's my favourite thing in the garage and it lasts literally days on a. 5 amp hour battery

>>16782940
Even with spaghetti arms you can't unscrew your arm with an impact. A normal electric drill with a socket adapter, on the other hand...

>>16783142
>cheap flimsy shit
Which Chinese-built brand are you shilling for, I wonder?

>>16783180
I don't think people understand how an impact works if they think you get kickback or whatever from one

>so many cracks in the head trying to use a drill to unscrew shit

>>16783142
They make anything but cheap flimsy shit.

>>16778564
>BILL OR RIGHTS, NOT BILL OF NEEDS

>>16783191
>>16783292
Makita is trash
As a tradesman who is using power tools all day long, they are just too weak and don't have enough grunt. Every time I have to use a work mates makita I want to throw it off the roof
They are made for cabinet makers and shit not actual work

Panasonic>Everything else

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>>16783180
Reminds me of a buddy of mine who managed to crack his jaw doing exactly that - he was putting some bolts in an old Audi, and he felt like it wasn't going straight - hunched down to look at it sideways, went full throttle and smacked himself right in the jaw with the battery

>>16783433
That's funny.
As a tradesman who is using power tools all day long, they are anything but weak and don't have plenty of grunt. Along with Hitachi, Makita make fantastic trade quality tools that are at least as capable as your special snowflake Panasonic, but have a much broader range too. Let me know when Panasonic makes a either a colated screw gun or a 1100+nm impact wrench worth a damn. Still on my original lithium Makita carpentry tools 10 years on, and my dad has my old red battery NiCad stuff I upgraded from back then.

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>>16783433
That's pretty funny.
As somebody who deals with tradesmen and mechanics all the time, the most common tools I see are Makita, Dewalt, Milwaukee, and Hilti. I've never heard complaints about the quality of any of those, and I've never seen somebody using Panasonic tools.

Panasonic makes great laptops, I'll give them that.

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>>16783632
>newton-meters

Nobody gives two shits about your shitty opinion, Yuropoor.

>>16783433
>Panasonic impact wrench is double the price of a similarly sized Makita that has three times the torque
>Somehow this makes Makita too weak and Panasonic a better value

>>16783610
At my last job we had a lot of things that involved reaching up and over shit to drill holes and put in screws. There were a lot of joint injuries from the shitty Milwaukee drill clutches not working correctly.

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>>16783773
Full of substance and inaccurate presumptions that retort was. I'll humour your lowest common denominator rhetoric by not only giving you a figure you understand, but a conversion that you may or may not be able to comprehend.
1180lb/ft which converts to 1600nm.

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I used to be the Senior Lab Technician for a fairly prestigious architectural/structural engineering firm. I have used almost every battery operated drill imaginable. DeWalt, Hitachi, Milwaukee, Makita, you name it, we went through them. I've used them all, and I've burnt all of them up. There is exactly *one* tool that I've never burned up, no matter how hard I tried: Hilti. Hilti is the fucking truth. It's a serious tool for serious workers. There's a reason a bare driver costs $500: because when you're on a jobsite charging the client $200/hr, you don't have time to fuck around with shit that you're going to burn up. Sure, that DeWilt may only cost $150, but when that fucker burns sky high, and it will, you just wasted $400 in the 2 hours it takes running down to Lowe's to warranty that piece of shit.

Now that I'm not there anymore, I can't justify using Hilti here around the house. Milwaukee, Ridgid, and Ryobi are all made by the same company on the same assembly line. They're made by TTI, using different colors to denote price point. So, around the house, I use Ryobi. Shit's cheap, and it works.

They can't hold a candle to my pneumatic stuff, but then, I don't expect any battery operated tool in that price point to be able to.

>>16783931
Literally nobody who matters gives two shits about newton-meters. The only fucktards who uses that stupid shit are foreigners. Nobody cares what you people think about anything.

>>16783859
And there's a reason they are more expensive
They aren't cheap flimsy shit

Screwing off a roof in summer a makita will last 1hour max if it doesn't overheat a dozen times
My panoramic 4.2ah 18v panasonic last two hours at least and only time they've ever overheated was using my drill to put a 30mm cone theo8gh double purlins

used to have all makita and was sick of sending them away for warranty work and the cheap build quality feels like they will snap in half when putting load on them
Hitachi was fine but too bulky
Switched to panasonic in 2010 and never looked back for a reason

Quality isn't cheap

>>16783985
>Milwaukee, Ridgid, and Ryobi are all made by the same company on the same assembly line.

TTI employee here.

Actually that's not entirely true. Milwaukee contracts its own Manufacturing., but sources the same base parts, Rigid and Ryobi are in fact similar designs (rigid typically using better quality motors) but I know the company has a tendency to subcontract with different Chinese manufacturing entities, so they could be built in two different places.

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>>16784034
>Screwing off a roof

At the engineering firm, we did have two electric stand up Makita based Quick Drive auto feed screw guns. They were pretty damned nice. Of course, they were electric, not battery. No battery based tool could keep up with abuse like that. Not even Hilti.

>>16783985
Hilti is the bomb
So expensive though

Made in same factory as panasonic too :^)

>>16783142
Where is makita's ratchet and grease gun? Why did it take so long for makita to introduce a decent impact? Milwaukee has been ahead of the curve in automotive tools. When milwaukee was churning out brushless motors makita was building a fucking coffee maker. Get real dude.

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>>16783433
This is the most powerful consumer battery drill on the market. It has as much torque as most power drills

>>16783773 (you)

>>16783985
I wish I could afford this stuff

>>16784121
I think makita was always about the tradesman on the tools hence all of their coffee makers and radios and shit. They have only just got into the automotive scene. I have a makita 280nm rattle gun and it's done every bolt on my 300zx so far

>>16783142
Not for mechanics (which is all that's really relevant for this thread)

>>16783610
I did that with a hole hawg on a 10 ft ladder drilling through a beam, bit bound up and the hawg swung around and pinned my head between my hand on the handle and the beam, blacked out for a second but didn't fall off the ladder fortunately.

>>16784059
I've been roofing 10 years and have never seen something like that
Oh damn

>>16784121
No one gives a fuck about mechanics
You are all skill less grease monkeys who couldn't cut it in the construction industry

>>16784190
Thats been revised with the superhawg which has some kind of clutch now.

>>16784213
>your career which is based around logic, critical thinking, and problem solving is inferior to my career which is based on illegal immigrants standing on a hot roof all day for 12 hours for minimum wage

You are 100% retarded

>>16784201
OH DUDE. Jump on that shit. Like yesterday. You don't know what you're missing.

>>16784240
I was making 2k a week contracting at 19
Enjoy changing oil for 4 an hour plus tips Lmao

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There is nothing like air. I'm a shadetree mechanic, working on Jap shit almost exclusively (unless one of my few friends who put up with me bring over some POS american car)... I used to have an old Westinghouse Air Brake Division V twin... It was a beast.. Then I had an 80 gallon Emglo. It was a beast too. My most recent is an 80 gallon Kellogg American 325. Pic is the same model as I have, but not my specific one. Cant find pics on my PC of it at the moment.

One of those buddies I mentioned above gave me the KA compressor and tank a few months ago. He didnt need it anymore, and it needed a rebuild. So, I gladly took it, and I searched out a rebuild kit (valve seats, retainers, and valves, gaskets, bearings, rod bearings, rings, etc)... I took my time and did it up right.... Got a new 5 HP motor and a new contactor and controller...

This sucker will outlive me. It'll probably be the last air compressor I ever have to have.

There is nothing like an old school, cast iron, american made pump and tank. They are NOT disposable. They are REBUILDABLE, which is rare. Damn things will not die as long as you're not stupid and run them without oil.

The dude above that mentioned old ones get snatched up on the same day should tell ya something. The older, the better, to some extent.

>>16784270
>makes less in 1 week than a good side job on the weekend. Enjoy your free one way trip back to mexico jorge.

>>16784213
I worked in the trades (first doing acoustic ceilings, then electrical). The money was about the same as wrenching but the work is just not challenging enough to do for 40 years, even doing low vo/smart home installs is too mind numbing for me.

>>16784216
Sounds like it's for pussies, how are you supposed to build up head callouses with a clutch?

>>16778297

I guess I am going to be the one that goes against the grain here and will say that most people shouldn't be using air tools. In an environment where you're literally wrenching as a full time job, then sure. But otherwise, air tools cause more problems than they solve.

>>16784300
>a good side job on the weekend
Yeah okay dude. A good side job being busting your knuckles and getting coveted head to toe in grease for the equivalent of half a days worth of laying sheet Lmao

>>16778587
I disagree with every fiber of my /diy/ and /o/ being. I haven't found a single thing that matches 50/50

>>16784299
comfy, and thanks for the recommendation, family.

>>16784034
It doesn't matter how long the battery lasts if it can't back off the bolt in the first place. And yeah, I don't doubt that a $1500 Hilti or Panasonic tool is better than a $150 Makita with roughly the same specs, but this thread is about home mechanics, not critical tools for professional contractors making asstons of money.

>>16784299
>tfw my $250 Harbor Freight 60 gallon compressor has an American made motor and tank and Italian cast cylinder

I'd also like to remind everyone that anything is rebuildable as long as you have a welder and you're not afraid to use it.

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>>16778297
Im a theme park mechanic so we use air and cordless impacts all the time. Since we need to travel through out the park, we take our battery operated impacts. Depending on what, we use a 3/8 drive or 1/2 drive. Our roller coasters though have tanks all over the base of the ride so we bring our air tools out. Especially since most of the torque specs are 300lbs or more. Then we finish it off with a big torque wrench. Anyways, for a weekend wrenching I think you would barely use it but would still be very useful to have.

>>16783127
This.

We demo'ed a snappy 3/4 impact once. Couldn't even take lugs my Milwaukee 1/2 put on. Own 1/2" and 3/8" air impacts. Only use them every once in awhile just so they get oiled and see the light of day.