You have precisely 15 seconds to justify why you haven't

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I dont have a Honda

heavy stupid gay pushrods outdated memes

>>16760433
>Swapping a v6 mustang with an LS

Worst-sounding veeyate.

>>16760433
1JZ a best

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>>16760452

Slap a junkyard turbo on that meme and it outperforms $100k handbuilt German engines while weighing less.

>>16760483
PUSHRODS

Because it came with one already in it

>>16760483
An ls has never ever won le mans or formula 1 tho

>>16760502

Who gives a fuck? You nerd. Nobody gives a fuck in the real world. Were busy driving our cars not watching race cars tailgate each other for 24 hours.

It's fast where it matters, The highway.

m54 > ls
stay btfo

>>16760483
and blow up before them too

>>16760496
what this homie said

>>16760528
You said it outperforming 100k German engines
Clearly not

>>16760528
>the highway

oh so talentless hacks who cant even launch a car like the LS

makes sense

Too much effort for the Max, the Mustang's Mod 4.6 is doing just fine, won't fit in the Z, and the Cavi is too light for such torx.

When everyone starts using the same engine, cars lose their uniqueness.

It's no longer, "hey look at that supra/skyline/fd" it turns into "my LS is better than yours".

Then everything gets boring and car culture dies a slow pushrod powered v8 death.

>>16760433
1. doesn´t fit
2. too heavy
3. wouldn´t survive my style of driving long
4. inefficient

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I want to, actually, but I want to do the entire thing myself and that requires more money and knowledge than I have right now, I'll also need another vehicle as my daily while I do this.

>>16760605
Wouldn´t a LS swap be a downgrade for the R-35?
I mean it has 441kW stock and the LS only like 375kW?

>>16760562

I was referring to twin turbo V12 AMG engines that can barely break 600hp.

>>16760626
people did it before they learned to work the VR38

its a big downgrade yes

>>16760631
the ones that arent made for performance?
the ones that gain 100+hp from a simple ecu flash?

>>16760626

Fuck no. That's naturally aspirated, Add a supercharger or twin turbo's and it's no comparison. The LS is smaller and lighter than that pigfat boar anchor V6. It's more reliable and has a smoother powerband than the Nissan V6.

It really shows how well the LS is engineered.

>>16760626
hey doc brown i think you mean HP not jigawatts

>>16760631
I looked that one up, they needed to detune it, because the drivetrain wasn´t up to the 1200Nm,

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>>16760626
An LS swap is a downgrade for pretty much no car.

>infinitely reliable
>huge aftermarket support
>sounds the shit
>hugely powerful
>massive torque
>no weight
>small space taken up

What's not to like? It's literally the God engine, and I'm not even an Americunt.

>>16760644
No, kW is the standart unit to measure power.

>>16760639

Most LS's live in trucks... They're not made for performance either unless you stick them in a sports car. The amount you spent on that "simple ecu flash" could of got you 500hp with a LS, not to mention your warranty is now void.

>>16760660
trucks dont typically use an LS

and lol that piece of shit LS wont have a warranty even when stock and no you wont get that power

>>16760656
>infinitely reliable
Untill it shits itself faster than a 13b-MSP
>huge aftermarket support
Only in burgerland
>sounds the shit
Indeed, it sounds shitty.
>hugely powerful
Less than the stock V-6 in the R-35.
>massive torque
Doesn´t matter since the R-35s gearbox is geared correctly for the stock V-6.
>no weight
Not less than the V-6
>small space taken up
More than the V-6.

>>16760670
I forgot to mention, that the R-35 now has aftermaket intercoolers with shrouds specially desinged for its twin turbo V-6.

>>16760668
>1200Nm

Is that supposed to be a lot?? Why don't they just not Jew out on Chinese transmissions?

>>16760668
Like you even need a warranty for a LS. If you blow a hole in the block go to the wreckers and get a new engine for a grand. Or walk into a dealership and buy a new crate engine for the cost of a basic service on a Mercedes.

>>16760670
>Untill it shits itself faster than a 13b-MSP
complete bullshit and you know it
>Only in burgerland
I'm in the UK, people LS swap TVR's all the time, they have bags of support and I'm 4000 miles away
>Indeed, it sounds shitty.
Nope, sounds top-tier even though it doesn't rev amazingly high
>Less than the stock V-6 in the R-35.
An N/A car makes less power than a car with forced induction? Hold the presses boys.
>Doesn´t matter since the R-35s gearbox is geared correctly for the stock V-6.
Whatever, keep shitposting about the R35 if you want, but the point is you can pick up a car with an LS for 1/6th the price of an R35. It's a retarded comparison and you know it is
>Not less than the V-6
Wrong
>More than the V-6.
Wrong

>>16760641
The original V-6 can take higher boost as well.
I up to about 1000kW are possible with it, if you use different turbos.

>>16760675

You forgot to mention that it's a piece of shit. The 3.8tt weighs 100lbs more than a LS.

>>16760483
>handbuilt German engine

I wish this meme would die, it means less than nothing.

>>16760681
yeah because theres any LS that comes close to that

and lol LS engines are shit when it comes to making power unless you get an aftermarket block and bottom end

your grand engine wont be an LS either

fucking fanboys lmao

sry not every car uses a tractor engine too

>>16760670

>>infinitely reliable
>Untill it shits itself faster than a 13b-MSP
Shits itself how? It wont.
>>huge aftermarket support
>Only in burgerland
Not true.
>>sounds the shit
>Indeed, it sounds shitty.
Only to people who have fartcans on their civic
>>hugely powerful
>Less than the stock V-6 in the R-35.
Slap twins on it for less than the price of a r-35 block
>>massive torque
>Doesn´t matter since the R-35s gearbox is >geared correctly for the stock V-6.
We are talking about a swap here...
>>no weight
>Not less than the V-6
Lol false. VR38DETT weighs 600lbs, Fully dressed ls6 with manual trans is under 500lbs.
>>small space taken up
>More than the V-6.
Again... false.

Have you ever seen an LS engine? I would guess not.

>>16760433

My dream project is an LS swapped 996. It would be the perfect DD for me. Saving up for it now.

>>16760700
>shit when it comes to making power unless you get an aftermarket block and bottom end

Patently false.

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/

>>16760715
then he posts a modified engine on a dyno that isnt an LS as some kind of proof

what a tard

>>16760691
They do have problems with metal pieces staying in the block and can´t handle high load for long time.

>doesn´t rev high
That is one reason it sounds shitty.
>An N/A car makes less power than a car with forced induction?
A 3,5L turbo makes more power than a ~7L.
>Whatever, keep shitposting about the R35 if you want, but the point is you can pick up a car with an LS for 1/6th the price of an R35. It's a retarded comparison and you know it is
It already is a R-35.

Also if you would keep the original transmission you would make the car even slower since the LS has less power and less rpm.
>>16760696
Still has more power and rev range than a LS.

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>>16760722
If you were going to make more than stock power with something then it would have to be modified. The test was done with the specific intent to break the stock rotating assembly under sheer force conditions. How are you supposed to find the power levels that something breaks unless it's on a dyno?

>>16760743
doesnt matter

its not a stock engine
its not a LS
its not under real world stress

>>16760704
>Shits itself how? It wont.
It can´t handle high load, and a R35 would only see WOT close to the rev limiter where I live.
>Slap twins on it for less than the price of a r-35 block
If you have a R-35 chances are high it contains a engine as well.
>Lol false. VR38DETT weighs 600lbs, Fully dressed ls6 with manual trans is under 500lbs.
Including the V-6 makes more power.
>V.8 smaller than V-6
due to its additional 2 cylinders it is longer than a V-6 engine.

>>16760722
Also it's a gen III Chevrolet V8, otherwise known as the "LS architecture." Dimensionally identical but made from pig iron.

>>16760729
>A 3,5L turbo makes more power than a ~7L.
Displacement makes zero difference outside of benchracing. In the real world a car with an LS motor will get comparable, if not better, fuel economy than an R35.

>>16760751
yet u tards act like its a lightweight engine

but only the iron block is worth a shit for power

if its not an LSx its not an LS either

>>16760758
I like that complete irrelevant info you bring up

like how u compare an engine to a car too lmao

2 overdrives and cylinder shutoff to get mediocre mileage isnt nice

>>16760729
Still has more power and rev range than a LS.

Nope. The LS9 puts out 70 more hp and 139 more "torks" while weighing less. You don't need rev range in a 4000lb beast that's what 8+ speed transmissions are for even though the GTR engine can only rev a couple hundred rpm more than the ancient V8.

>>16760758
If both engines would be geared for the same topspeed in the smae car, the 3,5L turbo would get a better fuel economy.
The original GTR R-35 is geared verry short, so short it actualy limits its topspeed.

>>16760749
I don't even like LS based engines but I'm the first to admit that they are the best engine out there well besides the rotary

>>16760748
>not an LS
>>16760751

It has stock pistons, stock rings, stock rods, stock pressed wrist pins, stock crank, stock mains and stock fasteners. Your point of contention was that the engine couldn't make big power on a stock block and rotating assembly and there it is, making big power on a stock block and rotating assembly. Move the goalposts all you like, you're wrong.

>>16760749

You should lay off the Gran Autismo and go look at a real life engine so you get a concept of size.

>>16760781
LS cant make power

ur wrong

your grapsing doesnt help

>>16760766
>LS9
It has 38 hp more than the VR38DETT while displacing about twice as much and beeing supercharged.
>>16760772
>I don´t like it
>I think it is the best
You contradict yourself.
>>16760788
The LS is still longer than the V-6.

>>16760765
>2 overdrives and cylinder shutoff to get mediocre mileage isnt nice
It's a known fact that high output LS engines still get respectable highway fuel economy.

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>>16760791
So is this about the time you realize you're out of your depth and start saying even more ridiculous things and ten minutes later you go "WOW ARE YOU STILL REPLYING? OP COMPLETE MY DUDES, I WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED!"

>implying my jap shitbox could fit a veeate in it, much less an LS1

>>16760817
but u have been wrong this entire thread

looks like u have reached the point where u bitch and moan about that fact while pretending to have accomplished something lmao

>>16760433
Because in doing so you manage to make both the car and the motor worth less than if you'd kept them separate.

Because nobody wants to buy Bubba's car with a hacked in LS, a car where half the gauges work right and the other half, lol. A car that runs right sometimes but most of the time runs like shit or breaks things regularly, etc.

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>>16760822
I haven't even been here this entire thread.

>>16760433
Because it already has a 6.2L Supercharged engine?

>>16760831
if thats what u want to pretend with ur no new ip post

fuckin rekt ya stupid fuck

>>16760829

Yeah... Like your nigger rims and shitty body kit add value... Buy a Camry if you want something with resale value.

>>16760818
Even kei cars can fit LS in them (not that you'd want to)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZysDu2UiB0

>>16760853
My enine bay could fit a 1,6L i4 maximum.
It is even smaller than the one of that KEi car.

>>16760433
because i don't know what an LS swap is

>>16760872
It refers to switching your engine to a Cevrolet LS engine.
Usually it fucks up your ballance and increases your fuel consuption a lot and adds some power.
But not on a GTR, it would loose power with that engine.

>>16760887
>But not on a GTR, it would loose power with that engine.

You sure about that?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/ls9/

>>16760846
...

Ok, throwing aside the 'resale value' argument, you're basically trying to out-engineer a multimillion dollar engineering department staffed with some of the brightest minds in the industry, backed by a multibillion dollar corporation by tossing a motor into a car that wasn't designed for it. It wasn't designed to have that weight there, it wasn't designed to have its CG there, it wasn't designed to communicate with that motor, it wasn't designed to handle the extra torque or horsepower, it just wasn't designed for that shit.

But sure, toss fistfuls of money and an LS at your poor car, I'm sure it'll be fun to drive for a weekend or two before it falls apart.

>>16760901
One exception: the DeLorean, providing you upgrade the input shaft to a forged one on that stupid Renault tranny.

>>16760887
but i drive a tiburon i don't think it'd fit properly

also it's fwd

looool

Time, effort, money. Not many vehicles actually benefit the increase in power, especially when it's combined with a decrease in economy.

>>16760897
Ususally it refers to the naturaly aspirated versions, not the ones with forced inducton.
Also getting 27kWp more power can be done much cheaper.
That is chiptuning level.
I would suggest bigger turbos and bigger intercoolers wich would be much cheaper than a new engine+transmission.

>>16760909
Stop getting your technical information from RCR, it's going to bite you in the ass.

>>16760433

Cuz a 302 is cheaper.

>>16760897
>LS9 crate that barely makes any more power
>$20,000

>1400whp VR38DETT setup
>$15,000

good deal

>>16760901

So we should all drive boring stock cars? You could say that about any "mawd" really.

Not many people LS swap a stock car, They upgrade the tires, brakes, suspension, etc first. It's 2017... We have the technology to handle the extra power.

A properly swapped car will be more skookum than the stock car. People drive across the country in xxxxhp cars with no reliability issues.

>>16760912
>hyundai tiburon
>korean 2,7L V-6
>172hp
That is a weird car...

>>16760433
because im transverse senpai

>>16760931
Not all stock cars are boring.

>>16760915

You can go high compression NA on a LS too, This is cheaper than turbo's and will still hit 700hp.

>>16760924

You realize a GTR engine is upwards of $70k right?

Parts for a LS are 10x cheaper and more plentiful.

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>>16760936
LS4 got you covered senpai.

although i never seen a transverse LS4 swap outside of other W-body cars so probably wouldn't work.

>>16760953
too bad a GT-R comes with the VR38DETT

dumb swap idea

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>>16760528
>it's fast where it matters, the highway

>>16760931
Power doesn´t make your car corner any better.
Tires, suspension and functional aero do.
On most tracks your speed is limited due to your ability to corner. If you can corner better, you can drive faster.
Also changing tires/suspension /bodykits/spoilers/wings is much cheaper and easier than a engine swap.

>>16760953
How much does a 700hp LS cost?
More than 2 bigger turbos for the GTR?

>>16760967

It's not always about the laptimes. Highway pulls and mile events are fun too.

>>16760975
Why are you comparing the price of a crate engine to the cost of modding a $120k car?

The hp per $ will always be higher with the LS. There's no denying this.

An rb25 goes better in datsun anyways Nissan to Nissan

>>16760631
The twin turbo amg engines that make 1000hp with a tune, have waay more torque, and have a waay better area under the curve?
Like comparing a 500hp Honda 4cyl to a stock ls7 lmaoo

Retarded burgers

>>16761004
>It's not always about the laptimes. Highway pulls and mile events are fun too.
Because GTRs are usually used for time attack and cornering is more fun than driving in a straight line.
>Why are you comparing the price of a crate engine to the cost of modding a $120k car?
Because we are talking about LS swapping a GTR R-35.
Getting more power in it usually is simpler and cheaper with upgraded turbos.

>>16761044
It makes 730hp stock in the best version, 1000hp shold be a joke for it.

>>16760715
You pr9ved him right
LS engines are aluminium
They can't make shit for power without upgraded internals

The vortec is iron block

>>16760817
The argument for ls is mainly weight, how cheap it is and how much power they can make
Protip: it isn't cheap
Protip: they can't make much more power than stock without having big durability issues
Protip: posting an IRON BLOCK 4800 VORTEC TRUCK ENGINE to support your claims of cost and power, you shatter the weight argument...

Ls fags want to have everything and go full mental gymnastics when it's pointed out you can't

This thread is about LS engines
Not Gen iii sbcs

>>16761062

730hp from a TT V12 is a joke. Especially when it needs $10k a month in maintenance if you actually use it.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lsx-454-r.html

fucking carbed ffs. How do Germans pull that horrible engineering off?

>>16761129
Its a detuned luxury car you fucking mong
Not a all out performance car

Amg v12s make similar power na. So yeah...
Do you have any idea what area under the curve is? The twin turbo v12s are making crazy fucking power and torque straight off idle.
>and still more reliable than a 650hp lt4
Lmao

Stay retarded, bus rider

>>16761129
>peak torque for gutless v8 shit at 5k rpm
For reference, a 12 year old amg v12 turbo makes same amount of torque below 3000rpm :^)

>>16760656
Well if you have brand loyalty, or if it's a good engine that makes same power than it doesn't need to be a ls.
And yes I have a ls.

>>16760616
5.0's actually swap a lot easier into B2200s than LS's. A fox body donor provides pretty much everything you need and it drops right in with VERY little modification. You don't even need to fab motor mounts.

>>16760433
>transverse v6 all whheel drive

LS doesn't go whooooOOOOOOSHHHHHHHHHH PSHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhh

>>16761063
>aluminium

You mean aluminum?

Although I'm interested to hear how you think the internals are different.

>>16761085
Gen III small block chevrolets are LS engines- Same architecture, same construction, same dimensions, literally everything from one can bolt onto others with extremely few exceptions.

I never argued weight, I came in upon seeing someone claim LS engines can't make big power on a stock bottom end when there are many many many well-documented cases of the opposite being pointedly true. I'm not here to go "FWOR, LS IS GOAT" but if you're going to rail against it at least stick to the facts and the fact is that the cheapest engine to build is usually what you already have.

>>16760433
It won't fitttt

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>>16761558
>>16761558
get ready for this
>transverse V8 all wheel drive

>>16760433
>You have precisely 15 seconds to justify why you haven't LS swapped your car yet.
I already have a 382 hp 5.5L V8, and I get 26 mpg at 79 mph.

>>16762799
>You mean aluminum?
Amerilard detected, it's actually called aluminium.

And the internals on the 5.7 are obviously different from the 5.3/4.8, just in size alone, nevermind the thinner skirts on the pistons etc.

>>16760433
I don't have $500 or an afternoon

>>16760480
1<2
Therefore,
1JZ < 2JZ

QED

>>16760502
>Le Mans & F1
Highest classes are displacement limited, therefore, stock LS could not win. Hell, the LS would not have fit in recent V8 F1, since it requries 4 valves per cilinder, and GM never pulled through on that.

>>16760574
>Implying an LS isn't vastly superior to a halfbreed mongrel Mod motor

>won't fit in the Z
What Z? An LS fits into pretty much every Z I know of.

>>16760659
The standard unit for automotive power in the non-prison world is horsepower.

>>16760626
An LS engine with similarly sized snails would actually make more power.

>>16760692
I don't think a stock VR will take 27PSI though.

>>16762857
Z31, and while superior to the mod, the mod still works just fine.

>>16760562
>mfw you think German race-engines are only 100k to build.
>>16760631
Are you seriously assuming that AMG builds these TTV12's and rates them for 600hp at best? Mercedes believes in refinement. These engines are capable of much, much higher numbers, at the loss of low-decibel exhaust notes, driving comfort, heat dispersion etc. They put those in the AMG GT's, and the SLV12's etc because they're grand touring machines, not 1100bhp racecars or Bugattis.

>>16762861
>I don't think a stock VR will take 27PSI though.
The RB was up to 45psi (IIRC), the VR is higher, with a minimum of 12psi on stock injectors (you could get smaller injectors I guess to run NA)

>>16762846
And skirt thickness is a near negligible factor when power considerations are on the table for these engines- Big power practices in the low buck vortec world involve punching out the 4.8/5.3 block and using 5.7 LS1 pistons (the ones that are supposed to be weaker) and making 720 horsepower on the setup. Metallurgy, material and the quality of manufacture are first and foremost considerations and both engines use the same hypereutectic cast style pistons, cast rods and cast cranks. If you wanted to mince words on the oiling system or valvetrain, you might have been on to something, but bottom end strength is not in questions when the LS architecture is concerned.

>>16760670
>Less than the stock V-6 in the R-35.
The LS9 and LT4 both make more power than that stock V6, even in Nismo trim
>Doesn´t matter since the R-35s gearbox is geared correctly for the stock V-6.
Gearing doesn't fix engine output.
>Not less than the V-6
>More than the V-6.
Actually, an aluminium pushrod V8 will weigh less than an aluminium DOHC V6, and it'll be physically smaller too, especially in width.

>>16760729
>That is one reason it sounds shitty.
No, it sounds shitty because of the wrong firing order. Stuff like a DZ302 actually sounds good.
>A 3,5L turbo makes more power than a ~7L.
3.8 and 6.2, respecitvely - and yet the 6.2 is the smaller package, especially when you considered turbo vs superhcarger packaging.

>Still has more power and rev range than a LS.
640hp is now less than 595? Wow. RPM range is actually worthless, because both have a similar percentage of powerband in that RPM range, and the LS9 for example has more torque anyways, which means you don't need the higher RPM.

>>16760749
>due to its additional 2 cylinders it is longer than a V-6 engine.
Length isn't a problem, width is, because it forces you to compromise on front suspension design. Weight is also most of the problem, and the GT-r has plenty of that in the wrong place -right over the front axle.

>>16760765
>>16761085
>posting an IRON BLOCK 4800 VORTEC TRUCK ENGINE to support your claims of cost and power, you shatter the weight argument...
>but only the iron block is worth a shit for power
Please explain how a difference in block material would cause internal malfunctions. I'd love to know how exactly an L33 would fail before an LM7.

I'd rather have a hemi

>>16760901
>you're basically trying to out-engineer a multimillion dollar engineering department staffed with some of the brightest minds in the industry, backed by a multibillion dollar corporation
Engineer here. Those people are on a budget, a time limit, and a set of constraints like you wouldn't believe. The average Joe can outperform them with an engine swap, simply because of the engineering problems you get when you have accountants, a government and a market.

>>16760433
I prefer the Ford coyote crate engine

>>16761670
Turbo LS does.

>>16762870
>Z31
Pretty sure that would fit.

>>16762898
Sadly, third gen Hemis aren't as cheap, nor can you get them in aluminium. Still, headflow out the wazoo.

>>16762895
There are some early LS engine castings that are weird because the block is cast around the cylinder liner so the bore spacing can be egregiously off-center and wear funny. Also when you get into the SERIOUS power levels, you can actually physically break parts of the block- Usually webbing around the mains or pulling main cap bolts out of their threads. Shit like that. But that's 4 digit power shit.

>>16760433
Because I 455 swapped it

>>16762908
Exactly. An L33 isn't just going to fail at ~700hp, it'll probably fail around the 1300hp mark if you compensate for the added compression.

>>16762913
L33 is the aluminum 5.3 they did in FWD applications, yeah? If that's the case, yeah, one of the best aluminum budgets engines to boost. Made after they had the casting issues worked out and slightly revised reinforcements on the block. Breaking a block really isn't much of a thing anymore unless you run into detonation, then that's not a failing on the engine's part- It's the fault of the dickhead who tuned it.

>>16762918
No, that's the LS4. L33 is the optional ''high output'' motor for 2005-2008 trucks. It's not just one of the best engines to boost, naturaly aspriated it's not bad either. LS6 cam +valve springs, and you're probably north of 350hp already.

>>16762930
I'm just personally tentative about wrapping any of the LS engines too hard, especially used ones. Since the rocker arm trunions can be a ticking time bomb about seizing and hanging a valve up at some 7200+ Still good shit, though.

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>>16760433


LS swap?

slow piece of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1977 Challenger with a couple of simple mods:

- 10 point cage with Parachute
- 5 barrel Holley carb
- Leafspring delete
- Fuel tank with - 2 lines from tank to motor
- Right Stuff Fuel Pump to Carburetor Line
- Mopar Performance Cold Air Intake System
- Mopar PerformanceEngine Paint Street [Hemi Orange]
- JEGS Magnum Cylinder Head Assembly
- Forged rods
- Eagle Competition Rotating Assembly - (Mopar 440)
- Mopar Performance Aluminum Dual Plane Intake Manifold
- Air Con install
- Hurst performance 3 -speed auto transmission
- 4.5:1 Posi rear end
- Port and polished head
- Brodix dual valve Springs
- COMP Cams 12-210-2 High Energy 268H Hydraulic Flat Tappet Camshaft
- custom copper radiator with slim fan
- '69 'cuda shaker scoop
- Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
- qsd throttle carb spacer
- 4bar omni map sensor
- distributor delete
- hks bov
- Edelbrock 1536 E-Force Stage 1 Supercharger Kit
- Custom t4 top facing supercharger manifold with 44mm flange
- 44mm tial wastegate
- tuned on chipped p28
- 13 inch cragar rear drag rims
- 2 15 inch cragar front rims
- arp extended wheel studs
- si cluster
- 150 shots of nitrous

im making 130 horsepower to the wheels and 900 FEET-LBS to the CRANK because thats the only place the power should ever be.

>>16760433
Why would I swap a forged kenne bell motor with 700hp for a lelS1?

It would be lighter, then again, so would a 4 cyl

would rather not have a 350hp boat anchor in my engine bay

My s10 is a 2003
Wont pass emissions in my town

>>16762899
Do you have any proof? All I see are fat fucks typing angrily behind their pcs over theoritcals. I bet half the people in this thread don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

I'm not an american that has to rely on shitty meme engines.

>>16763300
Not really (because NDA's), it's just common knowledge for engineers that having a budget fucks up what you can do. Basically, when you start designing a vehicle, there's usually a set of goals. First off, there's the external design that has to apply to multitudes of regular people, not just niche markets, then comes the actual design pieces, like engine, transmission, etc. You need to achieve certain fuel economy goals, crash test results, you need certain NVH values, and then you need to do all of that at a pricepoint that's still attractive for people to buy it. Oh, and then you have to reengineer half the vehicle to comply with local laws and tax codes, because otherwise it's either illegal or entirely uncompetetive. Let's just leave it at the fact that while a Mercedes engineer can be quite literally brilliant, he can't make the A45 make more than 400hp, because then another engineer would come up and say ''Wait, now the bottom end of the engine has a 5% higher chance of breaking within the warranty period, which would cost us X dollars, and add 10% market price to pay for all the repairs''. Then it's uncompetetive again, despite being a better car.

> I bet half the people in this thread don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
You just summed up /o/ in general.

that much torque in FWD would kill me

>>16763319
So?

Money

>dropping an LS in a Mazda3

>>16760932
it is at least ""fun""

>>16763392
>not dropping an LS4 into a Mazda3
It might actually have less torquesteer than a stock MS3.

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