>most overrated cars of all time
>>16650089
stay btfo mclaren fangirls
>>16650089
>wins race it was built to win
>overrated
ok then
>>16650271
>can only win 1 race
>>16650380
>was banned after the race it wont
oh look its a rally car. but it looks like a wedge so it must be the best
>fondly looked back on nostalgia machines
>overrated
Pick one and only one.
>>16650389
The ban had nothing to do with Mazda
>>16650419
It was the best at what it was made to do when it was made to do it.
>>16650445
it was based on a strange wedge concept car.
it just kinda was lucky that it even worked.
maybe an esprit would have been just as good in rally but nobody tried.
>>16650089
Bunch a bustas in this thread
>>16650419
For some reason that thing is getting me rock hard
>>16650476
You wouldn't be a car-guy if not
>>16650454
No you dumb piece of shit. The Bertone concept was just meant to attract attention, it had shit to do with the actual production Stratos. The production Stratos was purpose built to win rallies and it did win because Lancia knew their shit when it came to designing a rally car.
>>16650516
poor piece of shit detected
>>16650516
>BRZ tuned stage 1 217 hp 168 lb-ft torque
>GTI tuned stage 1 297 HP 346 lb-ft torque
RWD fags will try and defend this boxer crap.
>>16650441
yeah, but it still got banned and lost a chance to win any other races
>>16650548
>Stage 1
>>16650178
>>16650413
>>16650516
>>16651077
agreed
welp, that's most of /o/ triggered, goodnight autist ragebabies!
>>16650089
>>16650220
>>16650419
>>16650517
Kill yourself.
>>16651077
t. triggered ice cuckold
>>16650548
>100hp/liter naturally aspirated
>crap
plz.
>>16650517
>>16650419
>>16651169
kys yourself
There are currently no bad cars in this thread.
>inb4 gtfo/kys
>>16651181
>he thinks hp/l matters
>>16650220
SH...SHUT UP!
>>16651611
None of them are bad, just most of them dont deserve all of the attention and praise they are given
>>16651611
>not getting the point of the thread
>>16650220
>Only production based car to win at Le Mans in the last 30 years
>STILL the fastest N/A production car, ever
>STILL out-accelerates a Veyron
Why would I be btfo?
>>16650454
>maybe an esprit would have been just as good in rally but nobody tried.
>British reliability
The Italians, of all people, had more reliable cars.
>>16650516
>Sports car
>200 hp
>>16650544
Have fun getting btfo'd by a golf
>>16651821
coz its slower
lol btfo
>>16650516
>>16650548
>retarded americans who think drag """""""Racing"""""" is anything but an embarassing pissing contest of who has the worse car..
>retarded americans defending autotragic
but to answer question
>corvettes
>new muscle cars
>>16651169
More like underrated. Glad I can pick up a car that's better than the Supra or R34 GTR for a fraction of the price because normies are scared of rotaries
>>16651854
>Bench racing like a bus rider
>>16650178
>implying its not the honda civic
>>16651169
So much this. Proven by the previous two replies.
>>16650178
Yes this. Overrated due to pro-benchracers who watched to much Initial D and think this is the definition of a sports car, monster machine. But in reality it is rather slow.
>>16650516
Also think it is overrated in terms of speed. Rather weak engine but kept in mind that it was designed as NA so there would be no turbo lag. Also I think the focus on this car was to make it more fun to drive not stoplight racing.
>>16651169
Underrated most of /o/ rather say the rotary is bad and will blow up or something and due to neglect of normies all rotaries you can buy now are shit-tier.
>>16651783
I really hear nothing about this car here. Also I can't see how it can be overrated sounds pretty solid to me.
>>16652317
The FD gets drenched in praise on /o/ at even its mere mention, and likewise, the Supra gets shit on every time it's mentioned.
I don't agree with it, that's just what I've observed.
>>16652324
>The FD gets drenched in praise on /o/ at even its mere mention
We must be on different 4chans, because here it's drenched in nothing but defence in the face of the ill informed criticisms.
>>16651048
became ineligible due to do existing rule change =/= banned
>>16652412
A rule change thought up solely to take away the edge of that particular car.
DeLorean
>>16650089
>>16652420
They changed the rule before the 787B won.
ITT triggered pistoncucks
Reminder Mazda won C1 on their first try and are the only ons to have win with a rotary
Ohh and btw GM has never ever won LeMans
>>16652682
>Mazda won C1 on their first try
Every other front runner fucked up or broke down so that it could win LeMans.
Educated yourself on history you fucking twit.
>>16652686
Turns out pistonshit is unreliable as fuck, good for soccermoms and cucks for their everyday driving at least
>>16652682
>won C1
that's weird they were in C2
>>16652791
Indeed, I posted about it in the other troll thread
Didnt see my mistake
>>16652476
That autodrive thing has killed two people already hasn't it?
>>16650271
>Entered in 21 races
>won 1 (one) time
Wow such a masterpiece
>>16653489
>Spoon and egg races
Won lemans, top category, on their first and only try
>>16651821
>>STILL out-accelerates a Veyron
wrong
>>16650220
>fastest car in every capacity for over a decade
>completely dominated in professional racing
>even competitive in classes that it wasn't even part of
>practical and seats 3
It's the perfect car, kill yourself
>>16651169
>everyone believes the GT-R was the fastest Japanese car of its time
>everyone believes the NSX was right on its heels
>in reality, both of them were slower than the RX-7
>dominant in IMSA but never gets credit for it
Underrated
>>16654610
>The two 787s ran reliably for much of the race, lasting through the night until problems were encountered in the early hours of Sunday morning.
>While leading their GTP class, an oil leak on the No. 201 entry for Kennedy, Dieudonné, and Johansson forced the team to retire the car. Two hours later, the number two hundred two 787 was also retired after an electrical failure and fire.Heat from the engine was blamed for both failures.The 767B, the only car remaining in its class, survived until the end of the race and finished 20th.
They fielded 3 cars at Le Mans in 1990, none of them survived.
It's like you are not even trying
>>16654883
*Meant to say 2 cars
as the other was a 767 and it survived
>>16654610
>top category
In your dreams maybe
>>16650089
Slow and ugly
>>16654610
Wrong. The 787 first raced in 1990.
>>16650516
Garbage
>>16651768
Lmao a real c5 zo6 is nothing underrated
>>16654710
Except every enthusiast board/site I've been to, where the FD is considered god and you're not allowed to compare it to any other car.
>>16652910
It's a lane keeping assistant coupled with radar-guided cruise control, a blind spot scanner and a camera...
What did you expect was gonna happen?
>>16650178
So fucking right
>>16650517
Kys
nissan 240sx
>>16651768
>ugly rear end: the Corvette
350z if it was even rated high at all
>>16650454
dont diddle my knob with the idea of a rally esprit. i'd like for my dick to remain dry.
>>16655448
same era same wedge. why did nobody make it happen?
>>16655460
It would have been shit and broken down every 5 minutes.
>>16655466
Best ever finish was a 3rd place.
Everyone claims they make twice as much power as they really do for some reason.
Keeps getting humiliated by Peugeots at Pikes Peak.
>>16655051
Pretty much every Lamborghini before the current gen was all flash and no substance, and generally drove like shit. The new ones are excellent though.
>>16655437
You take that back.
>>16655594
It's like they were trying to make a pick-up truck.
>>16655616
not all of them had that ugly ass
>>16655616
Well Americans do love their pickups
>>16655616
funnily enough this is a conversion people do in fatistan
>>16655616
>>16655711
Shit man... I can't unsee it now...
>>16655460
because god is dead.
god killed every available Esprit GT1.
>>16655466
>i bet he thinks all european and american cars are unreliable
>being this much of a cuck
>>16654610
>this is what doritocucks actually believe
>>16656077
Stay mad gm cuck
>>16656095
Not my fault if you managed to get your facts wrong
Keep crying little bitch
>>16656112
Stay mad gm cuck
>>16656112
Mazda won le mans
Gm hasn't
Fact
>>16656131
>Literally can't come up with a good response so he can only damage control with the same phrase
Yes please tell me more
>>16650089
>>16650178
>>16650220
>>16650413
>>16650517
>>16651077
>>16651169
>>16651783
(agree even though i like supras)
>>16655051
>>16655432
>>16655531
(agreed even though i like the RS200) although to be fair it or some version of it won Pikes Peak.
Good picks boys.
>>16656146
Stay mad gm cuck
>>16650089
overrated and overpriced but I still kinda want one
>>16656193
I keep forgetting these exist.
>>16656205
pigfat in a good way
>>16656193
>>16656205
>>16656240
I'd rock a woody Buick Roadmaster
My oldest brother had a '92 Camaro, but was about to get an Impala.
>>16655051
0-60 in 4.7 seconds, 180 plus in 1990. Yeah, it's slow all right.
>>16657453
Corvette beat that sack of shit by 97.
But even that is overrated.
>>16657530
So I guess everything is over-rated to you. What a sad existence to have to live.
>>16650441
the car was a rotary engined car
its the only rotary engined car to have won le mans
rotaries were literally banned from entering le mans after
did i mention how a rotary engine was the engine that powered the car ? and how if they wanted to continue to participate with the 787b they would have to make an entirely engine for it and so they might as well just make a new car as it wouldnt be a 787b anymore
>>16657597
You know what's underrated? Peanut butter frozen yogurt with strawberries, bit of hot fudge and some butterfinger crumbs on top.
But your mom is still an overrated cunt. Kill yourself.
>>16657648
OK, I'll give you that.
>>16657648
>Peanut butter
>yogurt
>butterfinger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peanut butter
>>16655475
my fuckin fiat has a faster 0-60 than this pos
>>16657746
You are a tasteless person with no flavor for life.
>>16657752
dumb china poster
>>16657763
I'M FROM CALIFORNIA THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ENJOY OUR CARB RULES RUINING YOUR LOVE FOR CARBS.
>>16654710
>>16654883
>>16654948
>>16654910
>>16656077
>>16656112
>>16656146
Except the car in '90 was a 787, the car in the OP is a 787B, in 1990 Mazda was NOT racing in C1 with neither the 767 or the 787
keep being a faggot, mad and butthurt, pistoncuck!
>>16657783
What, you guys have to actually get emissions tests or something? Put all the crap you want on an engine, I just rip it out anyway. Carbs are still alive and well.
>>16657926
Mazda never raced in c1
>>16658456
*with a rotary.
>>16657926
>The previous attempt doesn't count because I say so!
That's like saying Audi won Le Mans For the first time with the R18 in 2014 because the car was not the same as the one they used in 2013
You are just mad that you can't say your mememobile won anything on its first try
>>16658615
>You are just mad that you can't say your mememobile won anything on its first try
and you're just mad you cant discredit the massive achievement of such a small company with something as asinine as "mazdas car didnt win the debut race!"
not like it matters anyway, the le mans VICTORY is just another trophy on mazdas trump tier size wall
stay btfo, gmcuck
>>16658625
>with something as asinine as "mazdas car didnt win the debut race!"
even though the 787b did win its debut race at le mans*
but buttmad gm cuck probably still focused on the 13j powered 767 ...
>>16658459
>defending the FD, but not the A80
Way to prove the overrating double standard right.
>>16650220
>>16658464
>MXR-01 managed to do better in WSC than the 787B
kek... Mazda was actually more competitive with a piston engine.
>>16651048
>lost a chance to win any other races
Actually, the car had 9 more chances in 1991 after the Le Mans race. It didn't do anywhere near as good: No wins, only 1 podium. The R26B rotary engine would find a new host in the RX-792P in IMSA GTP where it would have another 10 starts scoring only a couple of podium finishes -- never any wins.
The Mazda 787 is probably greatest racecar meme ever.
>>16658456
exactly, and C1 was the top category in 1990, mazda raced in GTP that year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans
>>16658615
>The other attempt count because I say so
look at the butthurt pistoncuck, the car that raced in 1990 was NOT a 787B, just how fucking inbreed are pistoncucks?
>>16658625
Nobody is going to take away that achievement, but all this bickering started when a moron said Mazda won Le Mans in its first try and in top category, which is completely wrong on both facts.
GG for Mazda for winning the race, but the car itself has an absolutely unimpressive track record.
>>16658710
>mazda
>winning lemans in the MXR
>>16658806
>spoon and egg races
>>16658625
>Mazdafags are Trump supporters
Explains a lot.
>>16658815
>which is completely wrong on both facts.
wrong, the first time mazda raced in the Top category of LeMans was in 91, before that they raced in GTP, which was NOT the top category
just how fucking stupid are you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans
>unimpressive track record.
>spoon and egg races
>>16658816
>spoon and egg races
You see..This meme comment only works when someone compares the achievement of another car that won in minor races, but when you use it to discredit the races of the car you are defending, it makes it even worse.
Mazda clearly didn't think they were spoon and egg races, or it wouldn't have entered them, furthermore if they are so easy and stupid, you gotta wonder how they managed to lose every single one of them.
Butthurt Mazda fanboys are so brain dead they can't even shitpost properly
>>16658820
But they entered into the C2 group in 1991, which is not the top category
>>16658826
>pls pls consider irrelevant races!
literally grasping at straws
>>16658820
Mazda has NEVER raced in the top category.
>>16658828
>first 10+ were all c2
>not top category
>b-but that doesn't make them top category
yes it does, C1 was obsolete
>>16658832
>>16658837
>b-but muh obsolete category is the top one
this is what c1 cucks actually belive
>>16658837
top category =/= race result
>C1 was obsolete
other way around
>>16658837
>Mazda fanboys this mad they raced in an irrelevant category
>>16658847
>>16658848
>be c1 cuck
>literally can't even turn, peple dying left and right
>FIA decides to make a smaller, cheaper series
>mazda enters that series in '91, first try
>literally most c1 cucks get absolutely BTFO
>mazda wins after all pistonshit breaks down
>c1 cucks go apeshit "We are the top ones, We are not obsolete"
>people still mad about this today
also that pic would make sense if the corvette had won overall, but they didn't because friendly reminder GM has NEVER EVER won lemans
>>16658837
>b-but it's the top one because I say so!
>>16658856
>"we are the top ones!"
>"n-no it d-doesn't matter if we lost the first 12 places to the lower one!!"
c1 utterly BTFO
>>16658855
>Cars which met these regulations in 1991 became the top C1 class, while cars with other engines, including the 787, were reclassified as C2. The C2 class cars also retained the fuel consumption formula that group C had been founded on, while C1 cars no longer required it. This meant that Mazda now had to fight for class wins within their new class. In the JSPC however, Mazda's 787s remained in the GTP class, as the sole competitors in the category.
>Put in inferior class at Le mans because can't comply with new rules
>Mazda fanboys still claiming C1 is obsolete
>car entered as the one and only participant in top category in another championship, still didn't win anything
>Mazda fanboys so in denial they will claim those are egg and spoon races despite their beloved meme car participating in them
You guys are even more butthurt than GM fanboys
>>16658866
>"inferior class"
>still wins
BTFO
>egg and spoon races
>relevant
BTFO
>>16658869
>his favourite car can't win irrelevant egg and spoon races
Yes please tell me more how those races are so shit and how your car didn't win a single one of them
>>16651146
>>16651651
>>16651821
>>16652282
>>16654698
>>16656159
>>16658459
>>16658692
Thanks for all the (You)s, guys, but I was hoping for more.
>>16658869
>>"inferior class"
>>still wins
it's happened before. Just look at the '94, '95, and '98 races when a GT car won.
>>16658882
How will protofags recover from this?
>>16655432
ok now I'm triggered
>>16658806
>The Mazda 787 is probably greatest racecar meme ever
yet it won le mans
keep crying gm cuck
>>16658828
>>16658832
>no no it was in a lower class!
>no no its win isnt important, the car has a completely unimpresisve track record! it only won le mans while in a lower class!
>the 787b is so overrated!! pls believe me!!
L
M
A
O
>>16658866
>You guys are even more butthurt than GM fanboys
mazda le mans wins: 1
gm le mans wins: ZERO
stay btfo
>>16658899
>no no before it was racing in a lower class so those times dont count
>1991 was the first time it won in top class, i mean the lower class
>actually that was the top hahaha i was just pretending to be retarded i troll ed you all gm cucks
>>16658899
>yet it won le mans
That's precisely the main reason that makes it a meme.
>>16658899
>I determine a racecar's worth by Le Mans wins
The casual normie levels are OFF THE CHARTS!!!
>>16658890
Of those, 95 was the only year with an actual GT car though based on an existing road going car. The other years were just prototypes skirting the rules to fit into a GT class.
94 was won by the Dauer 962 LM, which was a literal Group C car that Porsche snuck into the GT class by converting a single car to be road legal. 98 was the height of the GT1 era, where all the GT1 cars were just prototypes with a homologation car built to qualify for the GT1 status.
>>16658890
>How will protofags recover from this?
They recovered by having the ACO disband the GT1 category from Le Mans after '98 and turned it into GTP making it a dedicated prototype class with more restrictions than regular GT cars as well as introducing new regs for GT cars in effect slowing them down.
>>16658899
The car could have won literally every race and sucked the drivers' dicks to boot and your posting would still push it over to being overrated.
Get a grip.
>>16658915
>I determine a racecar's worth by Le Mans wins
mad gmcuck detected
>>16658948
>its over rated because i dont like what a single person has to say about it!
lmao the edge is unreal
>>16658988
So we went from
>Mazda literally won Le mans on the first try in the top class and then they banned it because it was too fast and everyone can suck its dick
To
>Lol yeah it wasn't the first try but the actual first try was totally a different car and it wasn't the top class but I still think it's the top class so you are a mad GM cuck
To
>LMAO 20 of the 21 races the 787 did were just shitty egg and spoon races, the fact that it didn't win a single one is irrelevant and you are just a mad GM cuck even though nobody is defending GM
Holy shit you Mazda fanboys are really in the deepest denial
>>16659002
mazda le mans wins: 1
gm le mans wins: zero
only one in denial is you buddo
>>16659061
As an excercise, quote all the posts by people who care about GM in this thread. You might find the results surprise you.
>>16658899
Perpetuating something based on its superficial qualities is what makes a meme a meme.
The fact that you're so fiercely defending the 787B based on those grounds makes it a meme car. You're proving the 787B to be a meme with each one of your posts.
>>16659077
>replying to an obvious bait post
Give it up. You already let him win.
>>16658832
Really? I guess they ran daytona a few weeks ago in the GT class.
Never is a strong word dipshit
>>16650517
Nah m8
The Julia Quadcopterportfolio
>>16650089
>muh senna
>muh honda engine
btw senna was a fucking luddite (still driving manual in 1992)
>>16650220
>$3/km
holy fuck
>"abs weights too much"
>let me charge you $9000 for those locked up tires
funny how people post cars that did what they were designed for, were landmark cars in their era and far beyond, yet nobody posts this piece of shit that is unworthy of the bugatti name.
If this car had an audi badge, i'd have no issues with it, but Ettore rolls over in his grave with this 1800 kilos dry weight monster carrying his name. also, it's not pretty, that doesn't change no matter what badge is on it.
>>16660541
I think this truly is the most overrated automobile in the history of mankind.
>>16659077
Anyone itt saying the 787b is overrated bevause it won le mans
Literally zero reason to think that if you aren't a Butt mad fangirl of a company that has never won le mans :^)
Gm has tried so many times but never ever won
Tiny little mazda did though:^))
>
Normie car.
>>16662176
I see it's wearing Paul Walker Blue.
>>16662181
The only other color it would be is grey/silver with blue stripes up the side.
>>16650517
>>16662190
Or silicia breath/millennium jade
This colour is absolutely beautiful irl
Can't even come up with something wrong with it. Because everything is wrong with it, Typical eurotrash.
>>16662310
>16 wins in Group B
>>16662326
>Giving tripfags (You)'s
>>16657453
Diss
>>16651768
You fucked up though. It isn't the z06
>>16650389
>>16657609
It wasn't banned at Le Mans or in the All Japan Championship (and by extension Suzuka round of the world championship), but they still stopped using it because it was a pile of shit compared to the XJR-14s they inherited from Jaguar.
Toyota kept racing cars under the old rules the 787B was legal for at Le Mans until 1994.
foxbody mustang
literally looks like an old escort fucked a granada
>>16662480
Muscle cars in general are overrated, as soon as there is a corner they fail.
Wich is why burgers race in e oval shaped track with extremely whide corners.
>>16659873
>still driving manual in 1992
Mclaren had shit tranny r&d back then.
>>16660541
>posting the veyron when the chiron exists
>>16664044
The Chiron will never reach the meme status of the Veyron. Mostly because people can't pronounce Chiron.
>>16655531
it was still a babby. Group B didn't last long enough for Ford to get it dialed in. I guarantee if Group B had lasted 5 more years, that thing would have dominated
>>16658640
Let's be real, the 2JZ puts out crazy numbers but the poopra can't turn for shit in stock form. The FD ran circles around basically everything when it came out, and the 13b is pretty neat, regardless of what all the dorito memes say
>>16664243
>can't turn for shit
So that's why every respectable publisher and reviewer praised its handling during its debut. Really activates those almonds.
>>16662560
Even though you euros talk up your education a lot, you still can't fucking spell
>>16650220
Bet you like girls too you fucking fag
I think it´s to overrated. Nothing special with it. It´s fast and look dumb
>>16664764
I find all Porsches post-Carrera GT to be vastly overrated.
Not pic rel, but regular E30. (But even M3 a lil bit, I mean would you pay 40 k for M3 E30? only if I were investing knowing it will be worth more in the future, but honestly there are so much better cars / $$$)
Its cool car but no where near the price they try to hold down now.
>no climate control
>no room
>heavy steering
>OLLLLDDDDD
E30 was my dream car for some time, I even had designs I planed to do but its old car, time has passed since then.
Let the stance wannabes pay premium for euro 86
>m-muh aesthetic!
>>16664847
>that ''sick green''
>>16664602
I bet you can´t spell even one sentence in german.
>>16664858
Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale
>>16664901
That sentence doesn´t even make sense.
>>16664858
WELL THANKS TO MUH GRANDPAPPY IN DUBYA DUBYA TWO, I DONT HAVE TO
>>16664908
>>16650419
Are you retarded? 1. It's beautiful 2. It's fast as fuck.
Not overrated at all.
>>16664602
Sorry sir, but the Euro is a form of currency.
As we all know, currency doesn't speak, and it certainly doesn't spell.
>>16664044
This
>>16664049
I chose the gayron for a reason. Also the Chiron is slightly less not-pretty.
>>16662310
what is overrated about a car that did what it was designed to, namely demolish group b?
>>16650089
Bugatti Veyron
>>16652791
>Schumacher
Fuck, I forgot he used to do Le Mans
>>16652910
>>16655392
I don't like Teslas but for deaths per hour driving, Tesla autopilot has a much lower number than the average human driver. So even if it has killed drivers it's still better than a human driver purely based on numbers.
>>16654686
.... no he's right.
gayron is heavy, mclaren isn't. Gayron even loses to the porsche 918 on a quarter mile.
>>16651783
delete this
>>16666101
>Gayron
You must be at least 18 years old to use 4chan, kid.
>>16664841
Plz e30s are underrated. Lightweight, better legroom in backseat than my friends Sentra, extremely durable motors and much cheaper than Miata, 240s, and other similar rwd cars. In my area at least. I own a 91 and everything works but my blower motor makes a lot of noise.
M3s are overpriced tho
>>16666193
try again little boy.
the gayron will stay shit as long as it defiles the bugatti name.
>>16664841
>>16666197
I hate you cant find one for a good price. I paid 4K for my 318is (that had a 4K paint job and thousands in preventive maintenance/mods done)and I've had 2 friends who've owned (while shitty cosmetic wise) very reliable 325is's both paid less than 2k.
>>16666202
>denies he's under 18
>still uses "gay" as an insult
This is why nobody likes being friends with you.
>>16666227
pfff, e30 325i's will set you back 8 - 10k at least over here
>>16652420
The edge was that mazda used that retarded and unfair way to calculate the engine displacement.
>>16665818
Burgers can't spell either. I believe this radical new style of expression is called a figure of speech.
>>16666243
That blows m8 check em out in the southeast
https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/6002460335.html
>>16666243
>>16667076
https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/5982556776.html
>>16667076
>https://atlanta.craigslist.org/sat/cto/6002460335.html
yeah, but that one looks like shit. I mean ones that actually look okay minus a ding or two.
And still, one int hat condition would probably go for 3k here because people want it for the E30 325i challenge.
>>16667089
Ahh I see whatcha mean. Yeah the 325is are taxed. The only clean ones less than 4500 are gunna be automatics.
>>16667117
lol, i remember this old story by a friend of mine.
He'd bought this beautifull e30 to go racing with, the previous owner immediately told him "won't that be a shame? go racing with such a gem?"
He replied "definitely not, these are the best base cars because they have no rust or old scars"
So the pre vious owner agrees to come watch him race when he's done with it.
And on the day itself he completely, and I do mean entirely, writes off the car after 5 minutes in the first session. :'D