How can the Germans even compete? How much longer do you think

They compete with brand recognition. Ask random people on the street if they know what alfa romeo is and I put my bet that 9/10 don't know.

>Edsel grill
Why bother?

>>16618368

>It's another "Usa = the world" post

Opinion discarded

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>>16618375

Because of pic related.

Germans = trashed

>>16618368
Not anymore, 100 million+ Americans watched the Super Bowl and they had 3 ads and were halftime sponsors.

>>16618430
Lmao alfa and their burgerring laps again
The Giulia set a 20 second faster Nurburgring lap time than the M3 F80, yet it is slower than the M3 in real life.

>every major car makes has to succumb to the crossover cancer

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>>16618368
see
>>16618449

>>16618452

Post sources that are not:

>manual Giulia vs M3
>not from a german magazine
>not from a magazine owned by "Motor Presse Stuttgart"

>>16618334
I would never buy a car with that ugly ass front-end/grill. I don't care if its faster, its ugly.

t. BMW driver

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>>16618452
>Being this butthurt

>>16618368
>US is the whole world
lmao

>>16618478
>rating interior and exterior styling
>implying thats not completely subjective

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>>16618500
>you'll never make people heads turn like the Giulia does

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>>16618540

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>>16618548
>you'll never be as aesthethic as a red Alfa Romeo

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>>16618552
>you'll never bang your girlfriend in a Giulia Quadrifoglio in front of an Italian lake

>>16618558
nigga if you go out and get a job instead of shitposting on /o/ you may be able to buy one some day.

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>>16618581
>implying I'm not working right now

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>>16618585

>>16618585
>implying you don't do it for free

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HAHAHAAH
>Kek related

>>16618540
Just because its fuckin red. If I would drive through there in a red M3, it would turn as much heads as the fuckin Giulia, also the name is retarded.

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>>16618649
>Just because its fuckin red

OH MY GOD

> If I would drive through there in a red M3, it would turn as much heads as the fuckin Giulia

Keep dreaming

>also the name is retarded

Jesus anon, I didn't ask you to prove your autism but you left us speechless.

>>16618540
>>16618548
STUNNING

>>16618649
Bull fucking shit, friendo.
Last time I saw a Giulia, wasn't even a Quadrifoglio and everyone was staring at it.

>>16618334
>how can the germans even compete
by releasing 5 more lines of 4 door coupe crossovers that sell like chocolate-dipped hotcakes

>>16618811
Heh.

>>16618770
Also because its something new, not seen before, it will fade away in a couple of years.

>>16618794
because you live in poortugal

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>>16618842

Yeah yeah, literally suicide watch.

6 months ago it was literally a rip off of the 3 Series according to /o/ and now it's "something new".

KEK

>>16618581
Buy the Giulia or the GF?

holy fuck alfa fanboys are the biggest autists on earth

>>16618852
Why not both?

>>16618843
Wasn't even in poortugal, you dimwit.

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>>16618855

>An Italian med masterrace Alfa Romeo driver guy cucked me by stealing and satisfying my ex girlfriend

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JUST

>>16618478
>better comfort and ride than mercedes
ok

>>16618855
It's literally mjet and his 1 liter diesel fiat samefagging.

>>16618987
Mercedes has very stiff suspension while the Giulia has a compromise which doesn't affect the comfort so much.

If you drove the car you would know.

In the meantime shut up

>>16619008
I work in a dealership and can assure you, there is no alfa romeo that is more comfortable or rides better than the latest c63.

>>16619031
This doesn't change the fact that you haven't still driven the Giulia Quadrifoglio and you're talking memes

>>16619040
I probably drove more supercars than you ever seen but whatever. Our dealership is close to small test track and we let serious customers take cars on track. There is about 1km of road designed to stress out the suspension I personally drove both of said cars down that road and there is no way alfa soaks up like benz. It just doesn't.

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>>16618478
>Italians on suicide watch

>>16618334
Bump>>16619188

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>>16619188
>muh passhun

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>>16619221

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>>16619227

>>16619227
That was the manual version fuccboi

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>>16619242

>>16619227

>German cars driven by German drivers for a German magazine beat the Italian at a German circuit (one of which even had semi-slicks).

Shocker.

>>16619079
Haha, sure. Sure you work with supercars. I don't even advocate for the giulia but you sound desperate. You haven't even been close to said car, so your opinion vs. c&d is moot.

>>16618334
The German giants have never had trouble competing with this meme of a brand. Most people who are buying new luxury cars aren't car enthusiasts and won't be swayed by aesthetics alone. Unless Alfa can significantly step up their refinement and build quality, they'll be out of the us market faster than they came in.

>>16619188
>>16619221
>>16619227
>>16619242
>>16619248

>Motor presse stuttgart not allowed

>>16618464

In literally every test conducted by every magazine under their property (they also have a spanish car magazine) the Alfa Romeo has lost.

I WONDER WHY

>>16619277
I literally dgaf. Id never bought any of them. You are the one who is desperate. You are getting triggered because of my honest opinion. Whats up whit that?

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>>16619262
It's just funny how hyped italifag fanboys were about the Giulia calling it the ''fastest 4 door in the world'' etc while in reality it is getting btfo by the underpowered 3 year old M3 and the C63.
It's nice that there is more competition though

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>>16619284

Wow another post for my "butthurt users folder"

>>16619284
I never got the aesthetics argument. alfa design is absolutely disgusting for decades now.

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>>16618430
>Implying some shitty crossovers have ever been relevant in the automotive world, ever

Oh anon it seems like you are intentionally trying to shill us this ugly abomination of a car?

>>16619302
AutoBild is not under Motor presse Stuttgart though
>>16619227
>>16619242
Stay BTFO

>>16619310
>more power, less weight, better acceleration
>still slower around a track
the absolute state of fiat engineering

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>>16619244
>manual version
suuuuure

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>>16619262
>semi slicks
The only car with semi slicks in that test was the Giulia, kek

>>16619344
The German automotive press has been partial to their own makes since I learned to read. Take their tests and opinions with a grain of salt.

And to the supercar dealer guy, I just couldn't resist to call you out. You'll get over it.

>>16619374
But the Alfa was faster and rated better than the C63S in this test
>>16619242
>>16619227

>>16619384
Ah, refreshing to see something like that.
I always found sport auto the least biased. Basically, I found tim schrick great, but stopped buying german magazines all together about u years ago.

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The Giulia and Stelvio share the same platform with Jeeps, Chryslers, and Maserati. It's just a giant parts bin of shit. Old Alfas may have been straight up garbage rustpiles but at least they were interesting and built by one entity.

>>16619374
this is your argument?

>>16619457
You didn't understand what you read, the Giorgio platform of the new Alfas is entirely new, but in the future they will use modified versions of it for Dodge, Maserati and Jeep.

>>16619457
and they're cobbled together in southern italy (ie by sub-saharan africans).

>>16619462
Just let it go. It's okay to like the c63s.

>>16619474
>entirely new
No it's not, it's barely tweaked from the Ghibli/QP chassis (which is good in many ways but has a few major issues like the subframe and engine mounts). Do you really think the smallest segment of FCA developed a completely new chassis on their own (these people are Italians FFS, they can't do anything in 2 years), and FCA is so confident in the chassis they are going to use it for 10 other cars, some of which are their top sellers? It's just nonsense badge engineering.

>>16619475
>the cars we worship here on /o/ are produced in Mexico
>they claims to be German products

What's your excuse?

>>16619521
>implying anyone on /o/ worships VAG trash

>>16619516
They put together the best engineers they have from the whole FCA group including Ferrari to work on the development of the new Alfas, it was not "their smallest segment".

>>16619551
Even BMW produces in Mexico my friend

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>>16619563
...and they suddenly stopped posting.

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>>16619679
they all ran out of arguments and fled, you really talked them down son.

RESPECT
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>>16619679
Because this augment is boring. Because everyone knows BMW also produces a shit ton elsewhere and not mainly in Mexico.

>>16619679
>>16619563
is that considered an ''argument'' for alfa fags?
Do you realize FCA has plants in Mexico as well?
grasping at straws lmao

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>>16619737
But the Giulia is produced in Italy, not in Mexico.

>>16619773
BMW M cars are produced in Germany, not Mexico too.

>>16619817
Actually another company inside the Bmw family produces the Bmw M models: M Gmbh.

>>16619861
>another company
lol it's not a different company buy a subsidiary you thicko
it's the M division that produces M models

>>16619521
get a car that's built in Germany then?

>>16619773
but that's just as bad, maybe even worse.

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>>16619883
It's not bad when these cars trash german toys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zON4bWsl2Ek

>>16619861
That's like calling Audi's RS division (Quattro Gmbh, not kidding) a separate company from VW.

>>16619988
It indicates that they take the normal model and "tune" it to be an RS/AMG/M model, while every Giulia are based on the Quadrifoglio, so they don't have to send them to a separate factory.

>>16618770
You have about as much road presence as one of those new 40k kias

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I finally figured it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Xr8Lkar0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGakgKTbrqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDdIJBJ0Myg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIYrAoe9NPg

>>16620007
Not so sure what are you trying to say but every M3 is based on the 3 series and they are built in the same factory among standard 3 series BMWs.
M cars are just developed by the Motorsports division, not built by it.

>>16619556
They developed the chassis for 2 years. Ferrari IPO was 2 years ago, they haven't been involved in FCA projects since. The development of this chassis has nothing to do with Ferrari, other than taking designs they actually did come up with for the Quattroporte, barely tweaking them, and calling it a new platform. It's funny how people keep trying to pretend these Alfas have the slightest bit of Ferrari in them (which they don't), then try to hide/ignore all the Chrysler (95% of the car)

>>16620756
Ferrari and FCA have the same owner(Exor) and the same CEO(Marchionne), Ferrari engineers will work on Alfa as much as FCA wants them to.

>>16620756
Are you a salty motherfucker aren't you?

Keep pretending that you know a shit about the entire platform and how things went.

>>16620771
Ferrari is publicly owned. Exor owns a piece but does not have a controlling interest. Marchionne is not going to pull engineers being employed by Ferrari to have them work on another another project, obviously the shareholders would be extremely upset because that would be a stupid thing to do.

>>16620756

Come on anon, stop telling lies, ok?

>>16620798
>Exor owns a piece but does not have a controlling interest
Wrong. A controlling interest can be much less than 50%, nonetheless Exor has 50% of the voting rights:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ferrari-exor-pact-idUSKBN0U61ZK20151223
>Marchionne is not going to pull engineers being employed by Ferrari to have them work on another project
He'll put them to work wherever he wants to.

>>16620889
Sure man, since 20% of the company is owned by one group they can have Ferrari pay engineers to work on a completely different car companies car, shareholders be damned, makes perfect sense. You are a complete victim of marketing and have 0 idea how these companies actually operate.

>>16620889
Also I didn't even open the link because I already know how the company works and knew it would be wrong, but

>Exor has 50% of the voting rights
No, they don't, did you even read the article you linked?

>All these greasy wops shilling for Alfa
>That fucking front looks like the car has an extra chromasome
>Even competing in the American market

lolno

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>>16618334
Nobody wants that or the German equivalents.

>>16621379
Nice braun shaver

>>16621379
If only lexus didn't completely fuck up their exterior design in the past 5 years. They still make quality cars but god damn their entire new lineup makes my eyes bleed.

>>16618540
>>16618548
>>16618552
>>16618558
Fucking Gorgeous as Fucking Fuck

>>16618334
oh look another SUV.
i think we have enought.

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>bmw literally doesn't make a good car anymore, aside from the 2 series
>making fuckloads of money and growing year after year

bwm doesn't need to try anymore, and they kind of aren't anyway

>AR
Whiterally loo
Why buy a pizza car when Japwagons are so much better

>>16621379
Why do you Americans always fail to recognize the car segments and classes?

The Stelvio is a competitor to the Lexus NX, Audi Q5, Bmw X3, Mercedes GLC, Jaguar F-Pace, Porsche Macan, Volvo XC60.

The Lexus RX is a competitor to the Audi Q7, Bmw X5, Mercedes GLE, Porsche Cayenne, Volvo XC90, Maserati Levante.

>>16618334
As soon as people come to their senses and realize that the buzz around German cars is mostly hype.

>>16627233
Because nobody actually gives a fuck about any of those useless pieces of shit except soccer moms

>>16618368
Brand recognition has nothing to do how good a car is.

>>16627378
It won't happen since it's all based on marketing.

Think about Tesla, they're only known for the ludicrous speed and for the acceleration, yet people worldwide think that these cars come from the future and Musk itself is the new messiah, while the first electric car was born more than 100 years ago and if Musk didn't had multi-billionaire powerful friends today he would have been nothing more than a homeless guy living under a bridge because his company has failed.

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>>16627384
This is another myth.

In Europe these fucking suvs and crossovers are bought in the same way in Usa men with small dicks buy trucks and suvs...they're everywhere, even in cities.

We all know the bad things about suvs but as the demand for these abominations is always increasing, car makers have to sell these overpriced cars in order to gain a fair amount of money to produce the cars we like....there's nothing we can do.

Alfa Romeo needs a suv because it needs money to completely reborn with a full range of cars, so I'm ok with that even if I don't like suvs.

One can always make a suv with dignity, but when you produce pic related...well...

>>16627392
How good a car is has nothing to do with how successful the company that sells it is. Note: BMWs SUV department.

>>16618468
>t. pleb
the mito is ugly, this one isn't

>>16618558
>having sex in the car
kys, people like you should hang

>>16627448
>men with small dicks buy trucks and suvs
nice meme
t. busrider who likes trucks

They have an alfa dealer in my city now

>>16618375
It reflects on Alfa being a pussy to be running and not broken down.

>>16618334
All retarded people buy BMWs and benzs so they look like they know about cars

>>16629506
But even more retarded people buy alfa because they have no clue on how shit alfas are

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>>16618484
>diesel
>FIAT

>>16628982
>t. Virgin

>>16618618
>shitty VW

>>16629538
Found BMW's marketing team

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Reminder that the Giulietta is a Mazda ripoff

>>16632396
Even if the Giulietta came in 2010 and the Mazda 3 years later

>(you'd better trust him)

>>16632446
Industrial spionage. The Diablo came before the V16T.

>>16632480
>The V16T design was literally the original design for the Diablo before Lamborghini was taken by Chrysler
>The V16T was made by the same guys who made that design

How is that spionage? Are you high?

>>16632562
It was just an example. The V16T is the original one but it's often called a "diablo ripoff" by those who don't know shit about cars.

>>16632608
Because it started being sold later, I forgot to add.

>>16630836
shitty car that is loved and recognized?

>>16632396

That stupidity...

Get your calculator Mr. Dumb: Giulietta release 2010.

THE MAZDA LOOKS LIKE THE GIULIETTA NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

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Meanwhile, under my office...

>>16618334
>Italian ever going above German quality.
The only good thing about an Italian car is that it is a showcar and nothing else, as usual they are driven to the show by trailer. Fiat is more reliable.

jesus christ what happened to alfa, they used to be most beautiful cars now look at this abomination, literally only selling point and they fucked it up

>>16618334
>go bankrupt
I hope never, I want to work for them one day, not just as consulter like I'm doing atm

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>>16635279
I knew you'd bite lol

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>>16636023

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>>16618334
>mfw Alfa is taking revenge on BMW for them ripping them off in the past by making BMW ripoffs that are actually better than the originals