/dmt/ Daily Manual Thread Post your questions and let's

Just during acceleration? Will it shift smoothly at a steady speed?

>three on a tree
>four on the floor
>five, six, seven speed
Y tho

>If I need to be at a high rpm to shift smoothly is something wrong with my trans? If I'm not it feels like I am moving my stick over a few rocks to get it in gear

That's odd. When did it start doing that?

>>16584160
What's the minimum RPM when driving in traffic?
How to maximise fuel efficiency vs. engine efficiency?
How often do you change gears without even touching the clutch?

>>16584372
>What's the minimum RPM when driving in traffic?
Enough to prevent your engine from lugging. It depends on the engine, but I reckon your typical 4 banger is fine at 2k rpm.

>>16584372
I try to keep it above 1000 but if it drops just a bit below, accelerate as slowly as possible to prevent engine lug.

2nd gear crawl it fgt

Fuck this dumb thread and fuck your life.

>>16584160
How to tell the difference between clutch slippage and springs giving out?

What's the general grade/angle at which it would be expected for a transmission to start letting the vehicle roll, say backwards if it's in first gear pointing uphill?

>>16584432
If it helps at least 1 person it's more productive than 95% of /o/.

>>16584160
How much does it normally cost to replace flywheel, slaves, clutch, etc on a vehicle? Is it safe to say that if you're just needing to do the flywheel, the labour itself will be the most expensive part?

So grinding down the flywheel would cost $700 while replacing it would cost $800 or something like that? It's cold up here and I have nowhere to reconstruct my transmission for 4-8 hours.

>>16584475
700 or 800 dollars or something like that

>>16584160
bump

is it bad to be constantly driving at 2500-3000 rpm?

when driving in streets and stuff I can get my rpms under 2000 in 3rd gear.

but in main roads when going 50mph I seem to always be around the 2500-3000 mark

>>16584432
autofag please go

>>16584253
No its worse when I am not accelerating.

>>16584361
About a month or two after I bought the car. Its a 2016 Mazda6 I bought in August of 2016.

>>16586254
nope totally fine, it seems a tad bit high since my car rests at 2800 going 70mph but idk what you drive so I think you're fine

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>>16586254
depends on your redline and gearing
Lot of big cars have low redlines, a landcruiser my mom bought when I was born redlined at like, 4k
With how my toyobaru is geared, I hit 3k at 70mph, or at 40 on 4th
The auto version is geared for mpg and I saw they hit like, 2.8k at 70
My question, Is it possible to make a transmission feel new again?
I decided an e36 m3 would be my next car, but I'm not sure what needs to be replaced beyond the mounting bushings

>>16584372
it depends on the traffic, if its moving a constant pace then you can just idle the engine in a lower gears, depending on the car at least most 1.2-2.0 shit boxes can idle along in the typical 1st and 2nd gear ratios happily along a flat surface, most turbo diesels and beefier petrol engines can idle a car along happily at decent speeds on flats, if the engine starts to jugger and shake, or you can sense more than usual vibrations you are probably putting strain on the engine.

I dont change gear without the clutch, I can do that (without crunching), but I believe it still puts strain on transmission components unless done absolutely perfectly, you are better off rev matching and using the clutch to minimise wear, the wear to the clutch when you are matching revs for your gear changes is absolutely negligable.

>>16584445
Idk I've only ever driven my car in manual, but my car will roll on any slight incline.

Did it once cause my auto was in the shop. Never again, inching forward killed my foot and the clutch.

>>16587021
My 2.3L shitbox is able to idle in 4th gear. Granted I have to go 1, 2, 3 ,4 to get there, but once there I can do like 20km/h with no throttle input.

I think most modern car computers will apply gas if it thinks it's going to stall out while in motion.

>>16587131
Maybe if you didn't inch forward like a fucking retarded granny you'd be fine.

>>16587148
HA. I'm not sure where you live. But if you aren't on the bumper of the person in front of you. You WILL be honked at or someone will try to squeeze in.

>>16587143
yeah you're right actually, that funny anti-stall system a lot of more modern cars have, my volvo definately had that

>>16586254
an oldschool rule of thumb is if it will accelerate in that gear smoothly then its ok.
If you can only just potter along and cant accelerate then it can be doing damage to the gearbox.
This sort of issue is mostly seen with overdrive gears (like 5th/6th) where the rate the output of the gearbox is higher than the imput. Lots of overdrive gears can be ruined by trying to accelerate at too low a speed (say having the car at 40km/h in top gear and trying to increase speed).
Im not 100% sure about why, just that it causes a lot of stress on the gearbox

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Is it worth getting an alcantera shift knob?

>>16587190
>>16587021
refreshing to see people on /o know at least some things

>>16587204
Don't do it if you have sweaty/grimy hands, they can get nasty.

>>16587160
>caring if people honk
Lol anon, fuck them. Your job is to get where you're going safely.

I have been driving a 4 cylinder jeep wrangler for a couple years and always shifted at around 3k rpms, I recently bought a 4 speed 84 corvette should i still shift around the same rpms.

>>16587160
What angry shithole do you live in?

>>16586254
Sometimes I drive at 5000-6000rpm @170km/h for an hour.
That doesn´t hurt the engine at all if you have good oil and the engine is on operating temperture.

>>16587275
>>16587340
Welcome to California.

>porsche 6speed gearbox
>really stiff and horrible when its cold
>2nd gear is a little crunchy
>grind second this morning
>no longer crunchy and easily get int into second now

xd

>>16584160
Sounds like you might need to flush the master cylinder fluid. I had that issue a while ago and that fixed it

So what happens when I'm coming to a stop in neutral because the speed is too low to be in 2nd gear and you have an unsynchronized 1st gear? Do I double clutch into 1st or drop it into 2nd and bog?

>>16587377
Just because you can dose not mean you should. upshit mang!

>>16584160
How accurate are these eco gauges that some cars have? My civic has these little green lights next to the tacho, its sort of fun trying to keep them at full.

>>16587443
As long as the oil temperature is correct, it won´t harm the engine since the oil film won´t get interrupted.
As long as the oilfilm doen´t get interrupted, you have hydrodynamic friction, as long as you have hydrodynamic friction you have pretty much no wear.

If the oil temperature is wrong, the oil pressure to low or the engine rpm to high/low you will loose the hydrodynamic for a short time and create wear.

>>16586890
Something that can really help is changing the bushings around the shifter itself. That can make what feels like a sloppy shifter feel like new again.

>>16584445
A car will not go backwards if you are in one of the forward gears, and will not go forwards if you are in reverse. That's the whole point of leaving a gear on when you park on a steep incline to avoid relying entirely on your handbrake.

>>16584445
If your car is rolling backwards while its in forward gear your clutch is slipping.

I think I have this horrible habit I developed when I was first learning to drive period (on a stick). Now, 10 years later, I'm back in a stick car and doing this: always taking it out of gear to brake, or in low speeds.

So If I'm in 4th and slowing down, I take it out of gear when I break, even if I know I won't be coming to a complete stop or won't need to downshift. Similarly, when I'm in parking lots, I can not seem to just leave it in first when I'm crawling. I'm trying to just focus on NOT feeding these bad habits.

Who here #6 speeds??

Yeah boi got dat close ratio gearbox and overdrive for mpgees. Sweden had thought of everything

>>16587190
So you shouldn't ever try to speed up significantly in 5/6 gear?

what gear should I be in if I want to speed up? And how many rpms is too much when in that lower gear

>>16584160
How hard am I fucking up my tranny if I shift from 5/6th to 2nd (never going above redline of course, and revmatching) to get the most out of engine braking?

>>16587566
>>16587631
That's what I was afraid of, but I still can't be sure until this ice completely melts, and that probably won't be for another month. Shifts fine while driving though, if it doesn't maybe need a tiny bit of extra force/the pedal to be confidently depressed.

>>16588606
For acceleration at higher speeds, you pick the lowest gear that doesn't put you at redline, ideally the one closest to where your car makes the most power. Different for every car, just takes some experimentation. Taking it up close to redline isn't bad as long as you're not keeping it there; for overtaking it's not a huge deal to be at high rpm since your engine/oil will already be at nominal temperature anyway and you won't stay in that high rpm range for long.

>>16588136
I don't think it's that bad, keep in mind you save gas when you leave it in gear as a motivator.

>>16588632
>>16588606
You can accelerate in any gear, but you should stay above 1500 rpm or what ever rpm you start lugging the engine.
For maximum efficiency try to run it at maximum torqe and whide open throttle.

For maximum performance you usually shift when hitting the rev. limiter.

>>16588614
Not at all. Assuming by "revmatching" you mean double-clutch (or just no-clutching), not just blipping the throttle with the clutch in.

>>16588614
Not at all. Assuming by "revmatching" you mean double-clutching (or no-clutching if you're not a beta fag), rather than just blipping the throttle with the clutch in.

>>16588719
>maximum torque and wide open throttle
to be clear, this only applies to efficiency, not economy. That means "getting the most work out for the heat put in", not "getting the most empegees".

>>16588766
You get more mpg as well if you accelerate like that.
You can´t get to your desired speed more efficiently.
Obviously you can´t keep the engine in that area for a long time before getting to fast.

Hypermilers use a technique called pulse and glide for maximum fuel economy.
"pulse" is acceleration and "glide" is coasting in neutral, some hypermilers even shut down the engine comppletely.
Usually you accelerate from 50mph to about 65mph and let your car coast down to 50 again.

Theses techniques are more effective if your car has a more powerfull engine, since you usually are running it far from its peak efficiency under normal conditions.

>>16587437
Pls help

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bought a blob eye and don't know how to drive stick.

is this car forgiving to learn on?

>>16587437
>>16588919
Blip throttle to like 2300 rpm and drop it into second so it won't bog what are you retarded

>>16589000
I mean if I'm at 5 MPH I doubt it'll catch in 2nd at 2300 without bucking but ok

>>16588962
>buy 4wd with turbo
>don't know how to handle it.

Buddy you gonna get the catch in like 2 weeks but, you won't draw pleasure out of it as you are always afraid because you can't fully control the car. This will hold you back.

>>16589061
really it's going to make me learn more slowly?

>>16589195
You will learn about as fast as on other cars, but it will take more time to master a turbo AWD.

>>16589195
don't listen to that idiot. It's just a higher ceiling to aim towards over a longer period of time.These faggots buy shitbox civics or miatas as their first cars, then end up ricing the fuck out of them and doing shit like garbage ebay coilovers because they got bored of how shit their car is. Or they sell it and take a huge loss and finance something not as shitty but still shit because they fell for the "driver skill" meme. As long as you're not autistic and don't wrap it around a pole there's nothing wrong with it. Take your time learning it's limits (preferably not on public roads) and you'll be fine.

>>16588962
I drive one of these, all Ican say if you're learning to drive is avoid accelerating hard after shifting from 3rd to 2nd if you're not used to the turbo pull, it handles very well and is easy to drive, 1k rpm is the point where your engine won't lug, 2k on a hill. the gearbox is great on mine you'll have fun learning boiiii

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>tfw all I wanted was a manual Integra
>tfw no one had one in all of Parrish in my price range ($3,000)
>tfw stuck with an autotragic '99 Integra LS

Life is suffering

>>16584160
Is it okay to drive around in second gear at speeds 30-40? I commute in pretty heavy traffic and on hilly roads. I slow down so frequently that upshifting to third or fourth doesn't really make sense most of the time since my RPMs would fall below 2000s. If I was going continually at 50-60 I could upshift to 4th gear but it looks like in city driving, that's mostly not the case.

Also, does it count as "riding the clutch" if I am stopped at a light, or stopped at a light on a hill, and I release the clutch to the bite point in advance while stationary (holding down the brake)? How bad is it for the car to do this?

>>16584475
If you're already doing the flywheel you might as well do the clutch and slave too.

>>16590604
That is riding the clutch and kills it pretty fast.
Use your brakes to stop your vehicle, they are designed to do so.
Your clutch isn´t.

>>16590635
How fast is pretty fast? I'm been constantly doing it for a couple of days.

>>16590646
That depends on many factors, just stop doing that.

>>16590646
If you are stopped somewhere use the brakes to keep the vehicle stationary. If you need to nudge the car just a few inches if you're parking or something you can slip the clutch to nudge you just a little. Ideally you would be completely off the brakes when moving so as to slip the clutch the least amount of time

>>16590674
I do use the brakes, not the clutch to stay stationary. What I mean to say is that I hold down the brake pedal but I partially engage the clutch so that I am ready to take off when traffic starts moving.

>>16590717
As long as it slips, it will wear our.

>>16590754
Can I ruin the car in a couple of days by doing this? I'm really worried now. I'm still only learning to drive manual and I feel like I'm doing untold damage every time I am driving.

>>16587631
>>16588622

>the absolute state of /o/

>>16590807
Usually not, if your clutch wasn´t worn out before.

As long as you don´t grind gears, stress synchros or slip the clutch there is pretty much no significant wear.

>>16590807

Don't stress too much about it. You will wear the clutch out eventually, just as you will wear your break pads out. Just don't be the retard swinging back and forth for the whole duration of the red light while in an incline and you'll be fine

>>16584160
moving a broom stick in a bucket of rocks...pretty much how majority of Subaru 5spd used trannies feel like..and I like it.

>drive a taco
>tfw no tachometer

>>16591356
so that's normal for suabrus is it

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>drive an automatic
>cruise everywhere
>listen to these broken exhaust manuals drive next to me
>erratic revving, a bunch of pointless shifts (who needs 5 when you've got 3)
>all in a shitbox that makes less horsepower than half of my block


>mfw I just half press down on my gas pedal, the car downshifts smoothly, and I accellerate instantly 'cause shiftkit

I have a 5spd manual car.

is it bad that I don't use the 5th gear.

I'm still learning and im still not used to downshifting and 5th gear seems so far away

A read a few weeks ago in a manual thread that you should keep the clutch pushed in on a full stop instead of just sitting in N. never heard this before but it sounds like bull. Wouldn't you just wear out the bearings/fluids?

>>16594636
I had this problem when I was learning too, it felt clumsy shifting up-right-up, but when you learn to do it in one fluid diagonal motion it makes it a lot more fun

>>16594249
Have you not gone on the freeway or are you just hitting 4.5k on 4th or what

>>16589056
I assume you mean you went into neutral going to a light or something and then it went green just before you stopped?
Just a touch of gas while going into second imo, unless you're going 1-3 mph, then double clutch

>>16587377
My mr2 is not geared for the highway. 80 mph is 4000 rpm like what the hell

>>16586254

On the freeway in 5th my MR2 sits probably at 4k. Its dependent on the car. Mine probably is about where your is at 50.

>>16594650
I keep it in neutral. My fucking leg starts hurting if I keep my foot down on the clutch at stop lights

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How long does it usually take to learn manual?

>>16595961
Took me 10 minutes my pops got me a shit box and said have fun driving back, it's amazing how fast you learn in such a situation.

>>16595961
15 minutes for the basics to be able to drive around. Thousands upon thousand of miles to master

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>>16587204
Doesn't even fit.

>>16590582
You bought the autotragic Integra instead? Fucking cuck.

How can you tell if your clutch is burning? Like will you recognise it or is it something other drivers will see

what would I need to do to make it start burning?

>>16596512
It is not litteraly burning, it starts to smell.

>>16596540
will I definitely know when it happens or can it easily not noticed if you don't know much about cars

I've been driving my first manual for a few months now, and generally I think I'm doing a relatively okay job. However, there are a few things I notice I'm doing and am not sure if they're doing unnecessary damage or if I could be doing things better.

I tend to rev a little high when taking off, usually about 2k rpm. That's just where my foot likes to be on the accelerator for some reason. I don't seem to start rough, but should I retrain myself to lower that to 1.5k even though I get moving more slowly? I'm worried if it's any lower than that, it'll die.

Secondly, I don't ever downshift into 2nd or 1st. When I'm coming to a stop I just pop in the clutch and brake. I'm thinking this is fine, since everything is disconnected when the clutch is in. But if I pop in the clutch and start to stop, then need to go back into gear, I'm left trying to put it into 2nd or 1st and doing the same thing I do in question one, putting it to 2k and letting the clutch out. Should I just suck it up and take a few hours to learn how to downshift into those gears properly?

Lastly, if I'm downshifting to stop or slow, does it matter if I'm rev matching, since I'll just be going the same speed in a different gear? Obviously the car slows down slightly faster but not really enough to be making any difference, I still have to use the brake every time. Can I just not bother downshifting and pop in the clutch and brake? Or should I be downshifting without rev matching to get the maximum deceleration and then brake as necessary? A buddy of mine said that downshifting without rev matching was perfectly fine, and should be used if you're planning to stay in gear, but I've found that doing this feels way worse to me than smooth braking, since it's a ton of deceleration at one time instead of a controlled slowing.

>>16596700
It will definitely smell. It's a smell I've never smelt before and i instantly knew it was my clutch

>>16598662
Nah sometimes I get paranoid with smells thinking it's the clutch but then find out it's something else

Like a trucks exhaust in front of me, someone burning tire rubber, passing a field of cow manure, or my own fart

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How can an autistic guy like me learn manual BEFORE getting in the car?

I can't drive and my mother agreed to teach me (manual) but I have trouble comprehending her "clear and simple" instructions, since she misuses words and often can't answer my questions. I want to know if there's a book or manual I can read before taking my first lesson so I have a better idea of how the car works and "what happens if..."

That's just the way I learn things. Can anyone recommend something useful? (Detailed) video lessons are also welcome.

Thanks

>>16601427
Watch a youtube tutorial? Idk man when I first tried learning manual years ago my brother just sat in the car with me and told me what I did wrong while I figured everything out for myself

You just gotta feel it

Does it get harder to put it into lower gears when it's below freezing for anybody else? Once it's earned up a little it's totally fine. Only happens with 2nd gear right when I start driving every morning.

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>>16601449
>You just gotta feel it
Negro you don't understand.
I just want to know the answer and explanation to the dumb, frequent questions people ask when first learning and learn how the things work instead of just hop in and drive.
>young me
>in the car with my mom
>she always said "pay attention so you start learning"
>ok
>"hey mommy, what happens if you take out the key while driving?"
>"the car dies and you lose control of it"
>mfw
>now I'm scared of killing the poor car and myself in the process

>>16601482
well she's right, the engine shuts off and you lose power steering and brakes which makes the car several times more difficult to operate. People with lower physical strength would literally have no control.

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>>16601482
When ur startin

clutch all way in
pop into first
gently release clutch while pushin on gas

now yer movin.

When shiftin
Clutch in, up or downshift, clutch out
done

When stoppin
Shift to first
Stop, with clutch all in
Then start with da gas all gentle, while releasin' clutch all gentle
and yermovin'.

When parkin' same as stoppin', but put it into N, parkin brake, turn off.

>>16601482
DAT ALL YOU KNEED TO KNOW

>>16601508
Thank you!

>>16601502
>When ur startin
>clutch all way in
>pop into first
>gently release clutch while pushin on gas
>now yer movin.
Aight
>When shiftin
>Clutch in, up or downshift, clutch out
>done
Do I have to release the gas pedal before pressing the clutch pedal? (I guess I don't)
>When stoppin
>Shift to first
>Stop, with clutch all in
>Then start with da gas all gentle, while releasin' clutch all gentle
>and yermovin'.
Got it
When parkin' same as stoppin', but put it into N, parkin brake, turn off.
Why is it necesary to put it into neutral? I've seen a lot of people leave their cars in first gear and start from it as well. What is the difference?

>this entire thread

Favourite transmission?
I must say Toyota makes really satisfying ones, mine is starting to lose precision tho

>>16601519
>i guess i don't
You do
Either to brake or to let the revs match
>what's the difference
Locks the driven wheels, like P in cuckmobiles

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Who else /devilish/
>shifter has lost the sticker
>always leave it in third when parked
>tfw this has already prevented 2 thefts

>>16590582
I drive a manual shitbox now, it's pretty overrated. I don't see the point in getting something other than an auto for anything except a weekend performance car.

>>16601935
>this has already prevented 2 thefts
where the hell do you live? compton?

>>16601922
Honda transmissions are pretty much always excellent, no matter what vehicle.

>>16584160
1) Is it bad to have my shifter in 1st gear, and the clutch and brake depressed while waiting for traffic? Is that a bad habit, and does it destroy the car.

2) How do I start faster and shift into gears more smoothly/faster. I get beaten by auto drivers.

3) Is racing at the traffic lights bad on the car

>>16601962
maybe

am planning to get a 2 way dashcam to see if i can get mad YouTube moneys from a third attempt

>>16601957
I also drive a manual shitbox now. I appreciate it come winter. Older or cheaper autos are an unpleasant experience in comparison.

Manual is only pointless when you have a big, heavy DCT instead

>>16596512
It is a very distinctive smell. Once you've smelt it, you will know. It smells a bit like wet dog mixed with BO.

>>16602001
1) Not really, it's a good idea to keep your car in gear unless you know you'll be standing still for a while.

2) Git gud. No really, practice. Get to know your car. Ideal shift RPM, shifter pattern quirks, clutch biting point, all that shit.

3) Bad? Probably not if you keep up on your maintenance. Will shit wear faster, especially transmission and clutch? Yeah.

>>16601935
Is a manual transmission now an effective anti-theft measure?

I knew lots of people didn't know how to drive them but that just seems silly

>>16601427
You just need an explanation I guess.

Engine and transmission are separate parts. Transmission can rotate, which rotates the wheels, but it doesn't have to. Engine must be rotating whenever the car is on. The clutch is used to regulate torque transfer from the engine to the transmission. When the clutch plate is disengaged, the engine spins freely but none of that rotational force is transferred to the wheels. When it's fully engaged the engine transfers maximum torque to the wheels. The clutch can also be partially engaged to transfer a fraction of the torque.

The clutch pedal disengages the clutch plate when depressed. So press it partly to "slip" the clutch and reduce the torque transfer and press it to the floor to disengage it and eliminate torque transfer altogether.

What else do you want to know? What are your specific questions?

>>16601971
I say this is true. Drove 3 different Civic generations but always had good manual shifting feel. Including a CR-V even.

The 2 Corollas that I have driven had good shifting feel too, shifts really well but I just prefer the silky smooth feel of Honda's.

>>16601519
People leave cars in first gear to prevent it from rolling backwards. Also if handbrake was not placed and gear is on neutral, the car itself can be pushed by two people.

My family's preference is to park, handbrake, place in first gear, turn off.

Going out though, we would always shift to neutral, start engine, shift to first. Never had problems.

>>16602001
>1st gear
>clutch and brake depressed
Engine will stall
>start faster and shift into gears smoothly
Find ideal shift RPM, keep practicing.
>racing
Pretty bad if you are bad at shifting, or always trying to redline because it can wear everything faster

>>16584348
>3 on the tree
refers to 3-speed with shift lever mounted on the steering column, used in some old american cars
>4 on the floor
refers to 4-speed with the shift lever on the floor, a contrasting term for european cars of the same era

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>>16605159
I have dozens of "dumb" questions so I wanted to read some useful material before asking them all, I'm sure I can get most of these answers on my own by reading a "how to drive stick shift for dummies", but I can't find it anywhere.
http://www.standardshift.com/faq.html
If the car is parked in neutral and neutral is the same as having the clutch pressed, can you start the car without pressing the clutch pedal? I asked my mom and she said she wasn't sure because she never did that before, she just did it like she learned and never asked any questions. Don't get me wrong, she might be the best driver I know but I think she's 100% muscle memory.

>>16605376
>People leave cars in first gear to prevent it from rolling backwards. Also if handbrake was not placed and gear is on neutral, the car itself can be pushed by two people.
That was my first guess, but why not just use the handbrake? Isn't it bad for the clutch to leave it parked in first gear. How common are handbrake failures anyway?

>>16584160
>If I need to be at a high rpm to shift smoothly is something wrong with my trans? If I'm not it feels like I am moving my stick over a few rocks to get it in gear
Yes, yes it is. Is it like, a crunching? Your syncros might not be matching up, I have that issue in 4th gear of my car.

>>16584475
Last time I had my clutch done, it cost me $1000.

>>16595961
I learned how to when I was test driving a car I was expecting to be an automatic. It's really not hard at all, it will take some time to master working a clutch. Stoplights and traffic will really suck, try to get a feel for shifting to 1st from a dead stop. You'll also need to get into the habit of Shift-R+Ebrake instead of shifting into Park like in an automatic.
>>16596512
It's a very distinctive smell. Be warned that sometimes, overcooked brakes make the same smell, but that's not a big deal.

Another sign is you can feel the car is not shifting into gear despite moving the shifter. I had to drive two hours on a highway despite my clutch in the process of burning out, but I didn't know that at the time. The next day, I couldn't even get out of my apartment complex.

Trust me, you will know when the clutch is starting to go, and when it goes, your car is basically a paperweight until you fix it. The good news is that a clutch replacement usually isn't a common occurrence, though you will need to replace it every 100,000 miles or so. As a mechanical part, there's an expectation of wear-and-tear, and these things are designed to see a lot of abuse. That being said, don't subject it to unnecessary abuse.

>>16595942
>>16594650
Do not do this ever, leave your car in neutral if you are at a dead stop. There are few times where you should keep your foot on your clutch for an extended period of time like that.

When it's cold and I shift into 4th gear the revs drop too much by the time I let out my clutch that it kind of jerks once the revs go back up to where they should. Is it just because of the sub-freezing temperatures, or is something actually wrong? Never did this when it was warm out and goes away after its warmed up a little

>>16605394
Can't stall if the clutch is depressed senpai

>>16605870
>Do not do this ever, leave your car in neutral if you are at a dead stop.
There's literally no reason to not do this, other than discomfort (enough of a reason on its own). As long as the pedal is fully depressed with the engine at idle there is no harm that will come of it.

>>16596936
To answer your second paragraph—yes.
Learn your 3rd -> 2nd.
2nd -> 1st is rarely ever necessary besides the steepest of hills.

If you're not good at rev matching, just let the car coast in gear until the revs are low
>clutch in
>gentle blip
>shift from 3rd -> 2nd
>clutch out

Don't listen to your friend. Downshifting using SOLELY the clutch—as in no rev matching—wears out your synchros prematurely. People will tell you newer cars can handle it, but that's not true. It's still taxing on your synchros no matter what

>>16606309
If you don't let the clutch out while it's in neutral before blipping you will rape the synchros regardless

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>>16605063
Yes.

The average vehicle is automatic. The average person has never used a manual before. Criminals are a sub-set of average people. Therefore we can assume that the percentage of thieves that know how to drive manual is proportionate to that of the general population.

Essentially, driving a manual reduces your chance of getting your car stolen by more than 50%.

That's better than parking in a secured area.


I heard a story from up in Seattle: Some granny was parking her car and two thugs came up and mugged her. They hopped in her car, put it in gear and stalled it. After trying a few times to get it going they gave up.
>And the granny started beating the shit out of them with her purse.

>>16605732
>How common are handbrake failures anyway?

Not common at all; however, it's good to have a backup.

Like, just because you will probably never slip while descending a stairway-- doesn't mean that you shouldn't use the handrail.

>>16605732
>can you start the car without pressing the clutch pedal?

Yes*, although it is a good idea to always put the clutch in anyway just in case you forget to put it in neutral.

*Some cars may make this decision for you by putting a sensor in that prevents you from starting the car if the clutch is not down. For example my 1989 nissan pickup will not start unless the clutch is down regardless of whether or not it is in neutral. But my VW caddy will start either way.

>>16606214
>what is throwout bearing

>>16606464
>what is something you literally never have to worry about

throwout bearing will last the lifetime of the car

good practice to have it in gear in case you need to move quickly in many situations anyway

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>>16601427
How a manual transmission works:

Imagine two dinner plates glued to axles. One dinner plate spins at the end of the axle that is connected to the spiny bits of the motor. This plate never stops spinning.

The other plate and axle are not spinning and are connected to your wheels.This second plate and axle are positioned in line with the first axle and plate so that if you were to push the plates together, the spinning one would rub the other one and make it spin-- which would make the wheels spin.

This is basically all there is to it.

When you push down on the clutch pedal, the plates are moved apart. The engine side plate keeps spinning like always-- and the wheel side plate begins to slow to a stop due to friction and resistance from the wheels.

When you let go of the clutch pedal, the plates are pushed together with tremendous force by big ass springs. The goal is to match the speed of the engine plate as closely as possible to the wheel plate-- before they are pressed down super hard-- so that they don't get to hot from all the friction and so that your wheels don't send a nasty jolt to the engine (or from the engine to the wheels).

>>16601427
go play garrys mod, not kidding
>will appeal to you since you're autistic
>huge car building community
>can construct your own manual transmission using gears and friction plates to satisfy your autistic desires

>>16588962
I learned how to drive stick on a GC8 STi, so you'll be fine.

How the fuck do paddle shifters work in an automatic?

>>16606705
Up and down i guess
Mechanically?
If DCT it's like there's a second transmission that changes every other gear

If slushbox it's planets, suns and rings being actuated by different clutch packs

>>16606711
It's a CRT. So I basically get a minimal control of torque and compression?

>>16606740
CVT you mean?
It has fake shifts points
I wouldn't use them, it throws away the only advantages of having a CVT

>>16588136
I do this, but only when my rpm gets super low. In general, I won't downshift unless I expect to use power in the lower gear.

Engine breaking dumb to me. I'd rather replace my breaks than my engine or transmission. Maybe I just don't understand it, though.

>>16586254
Could be worse, my shitbox does 3200 RPM just to maintain 70mph in 5th gear.

>>16601922
I drive a wrx. When I went to the LA car show in November, I sat in the Focus R and couldn't believe how smooth the stick felt. Made me want to test drive a few other cars to see the difference. Subaru gearbox is just so notchy.

>>16584348
>three on a tree
Funny enough the new "three on the tree" is paddle shifters now.

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5 speed VS 6 speed, which do you prefer and why?

Okay I got a question. How do I git gud at engine braking? What should my target RPM be? Is it harmful to rev too high while engine braking?

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>>16608905
>What should my target RPM be?

Whatever RPM your engine would be in the lower gear. You can practice by listening to the revs of the engine-- shifting up-- then shifting down again, making sure that the engine has the same revs as it was before you shifted up.

Keep shifting up and down gears without changing the speed of the car.

>>16608905
>Is it harmful to rev too high while engine braking?

Yes, revving too high while engine braking is mechanically the same as revving to high while accelerating. However, when engine braking you can push your engine many multiples over redline. For example, if you were in fifth gear and shifted to first, your engine might just fall apart. But that would be retarded and I don't think anyone with more than two brain cells has ever done that on purpose.

>>16584160
How much is it to replace the clutch on a 2008 honda civic? I just can't stop riding the clutch.

> In 3rd gear, following traffic at 28mph
> car in front slows down, have to start breaking
> at around 8mph I'm still in 3rd gear and hear the engine start to grumble (about to stall?) so I engage the clutch and stick into first

Is the engine grumble normal or is it a sign that I have to shift down at the same time as I'm braking?

> when I'm behind stopped traffic and can't see the lights, I'm usually in first with the clutch engaged so I can be more prepared to move off

Is this an okay practice or should I ideally have it in neutral with the handbrake on and practice putting it into first quicker?

> taking a turn at a junction, still in first at mid way in he turn and car wants to go to second

Should I be changing gear in the middle of a turn?

>>16610757
>Is the engine grumble normal or is it a sign that I have to shift down at the same time as I'm braking?

The grumble does mean it's about to stall, yes. If you can practice heel-toe downshifts and get good at that then you'll be able to shift and brake at the same time, so you wont' be in danger of stalling.

>Is this an okay practice or should I ideally have it in neutral with the handbrake on and practice putting it into first quicker?

Just keep it in neutral with your foot on the brake, as long as you're paying attention it shouldn't take more than 1-2 seconds to get going from neutral. Using the handbrake at a stoplight is just unnecessary and even more time consuming

>Should I be changing gear in the middle of a turn?

As long as you feel comfortable, sure. Keep your concentration on the turn and not on the shift so you don't make your line too wide.

t. 18 yr old manual driver for 3 months :^)

>>16596512
burn your clucth once to find out, when I was learning to start on an incline I burned it so hard it visibly started smoking like a motherfucker

How do I know when I need to replace my transmission/gearbox? I've ground the gears on more than one occasion and am approaching 100k miles.

>>16611640
It'll start to feel like shit, won't get into some gears, and grind a lot.

You'll know.

>>16588754
Why is blipping with clutch in bad?

>>16612501
It's not, but double-clutching is better. Blipping with the clutch in only gets the engine and gearbox input up to the same speed, whereas double-clutching gets all gearbox internals up to the same speed, reducing wear on the synchros.

>>16612509
explain this.

>>16612743
I'll let memegineering explained do it instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tescWzTlGQ0

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>>16605732
>If the car is parked in neutral and neutral is the same as having the clutch pressed, can you start the car without pressing the clutch pedal?
It depends on the car. My older Datsun could start with the transmission in neutral and no foot on the clutch. Most newer cars are wired with sensors so that even though it should mechanically work, the car wont start unless you depress the clutch. It's one of those safety things like motorcycles that wont start with the kickstand down.

Hey guys, manual transmission driver here. When's the best time to jerk my boyfriend off? between 3rd-4th or 4th-5th?

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I just started driving a stick shift again, for the first time in 3 years. A 95 honda civic.

>When approaching traffic or a redlight, is it okay to just go into neutral, and then coast until I need to change gears to go forward?

>If I don't ease out of the clutch in the first 3 gears, it kinda lugs when changing gears. How do I prevent this? Blip the throttle, or higher RPMs?

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>>16613849
Probably while double clutching. The routine would go like this:
1st -> clutch in -> Neutral -> clutch out -> Jerk him off -> clutch in -> 2nd -> Clutch out

>>16613874
>>When approaching traffic or a redlight, is it okay to just go into neutral, and then coast until I need to change gears to go forward?
You can but it's lazy and you're killing your brakes. One of the main advantages of a manual is saving brakes by engine braking. Git gud.

>>16613874
Generally you want to keep it in gear for as long as you can, in case you need to make some sudden maneuver. Basically just brake until RPMs hit 1000, then clutch in.

Second issue, does your engine drop below its idle RPM? If yes, just shift a bit later (higher RPM).

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>>16613905
Just gonna take more driving around town is all. Only had the car for 3 days. At least I haven't stalled it or anything.

>>16613908
So it's okay going from like 40 mph in 4th gear and continue coast up to traffic, and then just go into 2nd or 3rd, once the RPMs drop to like 1k. Got it.

okay, I'll just start shifting at a higher RPM, and try that.
I've just been trying to pop in and out the clutch quickly, and it lugs a little when changing gears.

>>16613874
Keep it in gear while you coast, it will save you gas thanks the ECU doing a fuel cutoff. And it will save your brakes. Literally win-win situation.

>>16584160
why is this a thread? dont americans drive manual anyway? the rest of the world does you thick shits.

>>16613935
>okay, I'll just start shifting at a higher RPM, and try that.

The owners manual tells you what speeds to shift at.

Usually it's 1-10 first
11-20 second
21-30 third

etc.

>>16596936
>I tend to rev a little high when taking off, usually about 2k rpm. That's just where my foot likes to be on the accelerator for some reason. I don't seem to start rough, but should I retrain myself to lower that to 1.5k even though I get moving more slowly? I'm worried if it's any lower than that, it'll die.

Bump for answer.

How do I know my clutch is going bad?

>>16584160
Is there any way to stabilize the stick? I own Iveco Daily (mk2) 1996, and due to the shaking of the engine, the 1 meter stick is drawing circles whenever I go below 1,000 or above 2,200, which cannot be good for the transmission.

>>16614243
You are fine, 2k isnt high at all for starting up. As you get better you'll find out what points to start from. Peak torque in most econoboxes start at under 3000, so you are fine.

>>16606214
You will wear out the clutch faster than pressing and releasing for precisely as long as is needed to shift into gear.

>>16606214
the cable wears and snaps, happened to my mother's car

>>16584160
I'm about to buy a manual Mazda3 GS next week but I don't know how to drive it.

How do I know everything is ok? This is pretty much the reason I've restricted myself to UCDA (Ontario association) dealerships instead of private sellers or other dealerships.

All I've driven in my life is a Corolla and an Elantra, both automatics.

I bought my civic used almost a year and the clutch is going out. The clutch it came with is a stage 3. Should I replace it with the same or save some sheckles and go oem? I honestly don't even know the difference between the 2

>>16615637
>stage 3
What the fuck does that even mean.
What brand was the clutch? And unless you plan on modding your >civic
for more power, always stay oem.

>>16612776
Not him, but I have to do that to shift from 3 into 4 (or the reverse), otherwise I hear my syncros mash and make this cringe-inducing grind, but only for a second. When I double-clutch, it goes in smooth as butter. I took it to a shop to get looked at but they just told me with the cost of a trans rebuild, it would be cheaper just to drive it until it breaks and replace it then.

>>16615872
Sorry it's a Spec 6 puck stage 3 clutch

>>16613966
Few Americans drive manuals. It's pretty much limited to people who care enough about cars, or people who live in winter-heavy states like mine.

As someone who wouldn't have driven a manual if I didn't drive across Michigan for a Craigslist ad only to find the car was a stick, it is scary at first, especially because I heard so much about transmission work being thousands of dollars and that being more likely in a manual.

Most people use their car as a utility, it's just something to get from A to B, and don't care about efficiency or performance. When everyone learns on automatics, they see no reason to downgrade to an (admittedly) outdated and complicated transmission.

>>16614249
It will start wearing dark clothing and skip home room with the smokers.

>>16588962

Very easy to drive. Might be a little trickier getting it to start, but the stock clutch in a WRX is a very nice balance between stiff and soft, with a very easy to feel bite point.

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>>16614361
Well, that sounds like simple harmonic oscillation: which you may have heard about in physics class.

Try adding weight to near the end of the stick.

>Duct tape some big lead fishing weights to it

This should at least reduce the amplitude of the shaking.

>>16616166
or was it period...

idk.

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>>16615625
>How do I know everything is ok?
As long as the idiot lights are off-- you are A-OK!

>>16616134
And in the USofA, people are rich enough to spend an extra $2000 on automatic.

>>16616190
We're lazy. I, for one, would have a hard time going back to an automatic.

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>>16616198
Personally I prefer manual because I fucking hate the way automatics behave.

>sitting at stop light
>MUST be pushing brake pedal or you will automatically go forward
I want to be the master of the machine-- not the other way around. The machine should do nothing unless I tell it to.

also...
>Hey anon can I borrow your car/truck?
>ohhhh... it's manual... nvm...
The car does the social interaction for me!

So I'm learning manual right now and I turned my key a few times because I thought I had stalled but my engine was just bogging. Is that grinding sound really bad or will I be okay?

>>16616264
>my engine was just bogging
can I get a quick rundown on this?

>>16616290
I wasn't giving enough gas and my rpms dropped very low

>>16616290
>>16616264

I think he means that he used the starter motor while the engine was still (barely) running and it made a grinding noise.

If so, it's not a huge deal. I wouldn't recommend doing it in the future though. The sound is grinding gears and whatnot.

That said, in SOME cars it might be ok to run the starter while the engine is running. I had a motorcycle like this. Activating the starter just made it spin around doing nothing.

It's still useless though because your engine is already started.

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>>16616290
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