Does an engine exist that is globally accepted as "the best"?

the SBC or LS are the only logical answers tbqh

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the engine in the ford gt

>>16567659
Ellis juan

>>16567668
>>16567672
Owned one SBC in my old Firebird which was a fucking timebomb. One morning I realized that the car didn't turn over anymore, checked the plugs and realized that the cylinders were filled with water, both heads had managed to crack during the night.
Dunno if I just got a bad unit or it decided that it's time in this world was over and offed itself.

It was the "305" one though, so no big loss.

"What is the best car"
"What is the best engine"
"what is the best X"

It's a pointless thing to argue about. depends on what you need

All engines and configurations have their advantages and disadvantages. Depends on what you need in the car

Have some very pretty engine noises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5rGyP6SSYM

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>>16567659
>Does an engine exist that is globally accepted as "the best"?
Nope, but this gets my vote.

https://youtu.be/4_6V7XjkLMo

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>>16567659
That depends entirely on what you want from your engine.
If you just want a light, small engine, get a 26b turbo.
If you want relieability get a OM-615.
If you want fuel efficiency get a 1KR-FE

>>16567659
Merc AMG V6 Turbo

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>>16567659

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an electric motor

>>16567659
The hate for M40 and M43 is misplaced, although they where turds designed in the 80's and kept alive during the early 90's, they where not unreliable.

Driven 50K on an m40b18 block with 0 maintenance other than chaning oil, the block had 130k on the clock and I doubt the previous owner ever changed anything. BMW recommended changing the timing BELT every 20K miles, lel, jews, turns out that wasn't necessary.

The only issue with these blocks is them developping a ticking lifter noise after oil starvation. That's it...

>>16570603
Serial hybrid masterrace!

I think he might have confused best with heaviest.

To decide best you would first need to define the criteria. That would devolve into arguing.
The BMW straight six engines have been in wards top 10 for as long as I can remember. The LSx is probably the best engine in the last decade when you consider cost, power, weight, dimensions and durability.
My favorite engine is the mezger flat 6.

>>16567659
>Does an engine exist that is globally accepted as "the best"?
GM's LS V8.
Capable of over 1200 HP on stock internals.
Tell him to take this and shove it in his overweight iron block ass
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/

They ran out of dyno time before they could break it.

>>16567659
Just a weebfag

>>16567668
nah they're shit.

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>>16567659
>getting to autistic /o/ arguments irl

>>16567659
>There's this dude at my work who keeps going off about how great the 2JZ is, being able to reach 700bhp and such shit wich stock internals and claims that it is universally accepted as the greatest engine ever.
The 2JZ is a one trick pony
>muh dyno numbers
It's a heavy lump of an engine which is only any good if you like showing off at the dyno or racing from a roll.

>>16567659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND4EA0dnAM8

>>16567659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lITK8a6vs
the only right awnser

best engine for what? I think the best engine is om617 because eh reliable and doesnt afraid of anything.

>>16567659
I've found the best way to shut people up about engine/drivetrain wars is to go full Honda fanboi on them and point out how sub-2.0 liter NA I4's are able to do everything you could possibly want them to do for a considerably cheaper sum, and how a 1.8 liter managed to push out 195 HP natasp while V8's of the time struggled to reliably put 500 down and be daily driven.
Then get into power to weight, sprinkle in how their cars were designed (DC2 Integra) from the ground up to work with a FWD config instead of slapping it on as another way to make a profit margin.
Generally gets most everyone tired of talking engines really fast.

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>>16570885
>they actualy drove 250+ with that engine
>for 24 hours straight

>>16570688
That's nuts I have mad respect for the LS and I can't wait to fiddle around with my stock top to bottom ls.

Gonna get heads and a big cam and go from there.

It made 300rwhp with 150k original miles on pump gas and behind a dying automatic.

Not bad for a 16 year old engine with only bolt ons

>>16570759
You're right but it seems people think the ability to handle huge amounts of power before shitting your guts aout makes a good engine. look at this thread.

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>>16570820
This appeals to me on so many levels

Best engines:
1. LS
2. SBC
3. GM 3800-II

Not even a GM fan, but their engines are objectively the best despite the cars they put them in being shit.

>>16571475

t. gm marketing

>>16571478
I drive a Mazda.

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>>16570759
>One trick pony


There isn't any Ls faster than this

>>16571503
>top 10 fastest sport compacts
>no ls

Nope, don't think they ever put one in a sport compact.

>>16567659
>old Chrysler 2 litre engines could get up to 800bhp with stock internals and not blow up
Which ones?

>>16571523
It couldn't compete no ls has even gone under 6 seconds


All these 2jz motors use OEM head and block


The only thing close to them are big block promods

>>16571503
Why do 2JZ spergs always go full retard over the LS? I don't give a fuck about your favorite ricerocket vs some v8, nobody gives a fuck about your stupid 600lb inline 6 against some stupid 600lb V8 in the drags. Fuck drag racing and fuck your favorite engine.

How fucking retarded are you? You haven't refuted what I said at all. ONE TRICK PONY
>MUH HP
>MUH DRAG
>MUH DYNO
Also that's "Fastest sport compacts" there literally cannot be a LS engine in that class by the rules so how retarded are you to think that there would be one on that list?

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>>16567671

>>16571545
There isn't a single ls motor in existence close to the 2jz


The 2 jz is the best motor ever created by an OEM period

>>16571532
That can´t be true, only the F20C can barely do that with somewhat stock parts.

>>16571550
>all that matters is peak power
>HURRRRRURHUDHDHDR LS MOTOR
>2JZ BEST
Stupid fanboys actually believe this shit.

>>16571550
LS is shit just like 2JZ.
You keep comparing your boat anchor to an LS lmao, probably because LS is the only dogshit engine shittier than an 2JZ.

>>16571551
Yeah I was thinking that too.
Op is a fag as always

>>16571545
>nobody gives a fuck about your stupid 600lb inline 6 against some stupid 600lb V8 in the drags.
The LS is notably lighter than the JZ I6, generally just under 500 lbs. I believe it's around 476 lbs for an LS2.

>>16571550
Completely disagree.

Duramax FTW.

Because you can have it as a daily driver and get shit done.

Also Cummins and HEMI

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>>16571570
token truckcuck

>>16567659
If you are willing to venture in the world of motorcycles, the Japanese inline 4 is pretty much accepted as the best. The combination of fuel efficiency, reliability, and power band makes it ideal for racing. They are overbuilt for the street since no one is going to pin it at red line for hours on end so they are practically bullet-proof in the real world.

>>16571503
No drag racers besides small tire door car racers use LS engines, so no, there won't be that many if LS powered drag cars in the 5s because it would be literally noncompetitive. Nobody is going to build a 5 second drag car as a hobby using an engine that rules it out from any class involving that kind of speed..

>>16571570
>Muh DURRamax
>Muh comeapart
>Muh pushrod chrysler meme

>>16567659

Anything that ****needs**** a turbo to make any usable power is a no-go for me, So fuck the 2JZ.

LS based engines can make crazy power NA for little money, or you can super/procharge them and make ridiculous torque for cheap or go twin turbo and have a 4 figure HP daily driver.

>>16571649
my RICERONI JDM ENGINES
just wait till the VTEC kicks in!

You truly know nothing

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Which engine powers the world's fastest production car

>>16571824
>cuckrods
>best

lmao

>>16571824
A quad turbo W16.

>>16570688
Just make sure you never run out of fuel system capacity. They did another article with a similar engine, a 6.0 to be exact, which was pushed beyond its fuel system just to see what happened. The cylinder heads still haven't landed and the rods have discovered a new oilfield. Power doesn't kill engines, running lean does.

Gearboxes set speed and acceleration moreso than engines.
Taking a NASCAR engine for example. Goes 280+ with a wide geared 4spd. With the slushbox 3spd in my station wagon it would top out at 110. A narrow geared 5spd, like an older Miata would also top out lower than the NASCAR tranny, but would have twice, triple, or maybe quadruple the acceleration.

So engines alone we need to compare rev limits, peak hp, where in the tach it makes hp, and reliability. A motorcycle engine would probably win in most cases, except peak hp.

My vote goes for Chrysler(AMC)'s 4.0l I6. Good low revolution horsepower, and more indestructible than an Iron Duke with Vtec made by Toyota.

>>16571741
>doesn't realize the duramax is a japanese engine
>WAAAAAH YOU ONLY LIKE JAPANESE ENGINES

lol kys retard

(also honda a shit; they put the engine on the wrong side of the car)

>>16570688
>5.3L
>turbo
>1200hp
>226hp/L

Meanwhile the F20C does ~800hp with stock internals out of 2 litres wich is about 400hp/L

>>16571861
If your gearbox isn´t insanely short, it doesn´t limit you Vmax.

>>16571834

While were on the topic of shitty engines... How the fuck did VW manage to get barely 1200hp out of 16 cylinders and 4 turbo's?

>>16571866
>Meanwhile the F20C does ~800hp with stock internals out of 2 litres wich is about 400hp/L

For an hour maybe... Don't be retarded and compare a 2l to a 5.4l @ 800hp and say the smaller displacement engine will be more reliable...

>>16571866
enjoy your dyno queen motor

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>2017
>not making over 1000hp with a 2 liter

>>16571905
If it can do 400hp/l for one hoer, it can do 226hp/l for a long time.
Also the F20C features forged internals, also its pistons are coated and its camshafts are hardened.

The turboed LS won´t last long at this output either since its bearing surfaces are no longer using hydrodynamic friction and are not sputted.

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>>16567659
Lister D

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>>16571934

I don't see any F20 powered planes or boats. LS V8's are used in boats, desert racing trucks, planes for a reason.

>>16571834
The Hennessy venom GT has a twin turbo lsx

>>16571952
Planes are usually powered by Rotax 900 series engines.
LS engines are illegal for avionic use in most ICAO states since you need dubble ignition and a certification.

Also the F20C is a rare engine since they stopped the S2k production.

>>16571550
Your newfag is showing

>>16571954
>production cars

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>>16571974
>rare
It barely costs more than a B18C5

>>16571891
1500, Chiron. Also has a torque curve flatter than a 10 year old chinese boy. The turbos are in full boost starting at 1500 RPM. It's actually fairly impressive for a mere 8.0 liter.

>>16571999
>putting a used engine in a plane
That is not how it works.

>>16572000
>It's actually fairly impressive for a mere 8.0 liter.

For a production car maybe but pathetic compared to real world engines. You could slap some tiny turbo's on a 8 liter V8 and have the same torque curve and 1000x the reliability.

>>16571999
>>16572005
>putting any engine with several catastrophic failure modes in any aircraft

>>16571866
>didnt read the article
its a 4.8 mane

>>16572083
Doesn´t make that much of a difference.

>>16572096
When you're benchracing with HP/L figures it does dumbass.
>226 vs 250
That's a 10% increase

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>>16567684
>Merlin

Confirmed for best sounding engine.

>>16572177
>226hp/L vs 250hp/L
vs 400hp/L

>>16572204
>engine that will last a season vs engine that will last a few pulls
well now

>>16567659
chrysler products are shit, 2jz is a pigfat meme engine. you're both wrong and fucking idiots.

The RB20 is the most powerful race in the world.

>HUR DUR I KAN PUT BIG TURBO ON MY LITTLE STOCK 4 CYLINDER AND MAKE MORE POWER PER LITER
Enjoy cleaning up piston fragments and rod pieces on the track several times per year. Meanwhile bigger engines like 2JZs, N54s, RB26s, LSx, will continue to make as much power as your high strung lagmotor reliably enough for DD use without blowing up.

>>16572215
Both engines won´t last long under full load...

>>16571551
>>16571562
The F20C would have been built with design priorities that would hamper it's ability to handle huge amounts of boost.

>>16572235
But what's the best among those bigger engines?

I've been reading this thread, and I still don't see anyone making a reasonable pro/con comparison between the 2JZ and LSx.

>>16572009
Probably not, no.

>>16572243
The F20C has a high compression stock and Internals to handle 9000rpm and last 300.000km.
If you decrease the compression ratio it can therefore handle high amounts of boost.

>>16572257
Have you seen the rods and pistons on old engines. The F20C internals are baby shit

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>>16570885
Volvo B18/B20 gets my vote. Irv Gordon has done over 3 million miles in his 1800, and I think it's been rebuilt twice. Just ridiculous.

>>16572268
>handles 9000rpm
>baby shit

>>16572291
Yes, baby shit.

>>16571954
>not a production car
>no return run

>>16572288

It's a 1.8l putting out 40hp... Anything with that low of a power to weight ratio is going to be reliable. It's hardly ridiculous.

>>16572291

A grown up engine doesn't need to rev out to 9000rpm to make minivan power. That little torque is only useful in sub 1500lb race cars, Not your pigfat 3200lb honda.

>>16572248
>>16572248
>and I still don't see anyone making a reasonable pro/con comparison between the 2JZ and LSx.

I'll do it for you.

2JZ pros vs LS-series
>makes bigger power on stock internals than the LS with a big turbo
>block can take more abuse than OEM LS blocks
>revs pretty high
>smoother

LS-series pros vs 2JZ
>will make big power with a lot less lag than the 2JZ because more displacement = more off-boost power and torque
>lighter than or equal in weight to the 2JZ while more displacement and a lower/further back CoG
>is factually very light for a 5.7L+ engine
>better base for a powerful street friendly NA engine
>cheaper

Pros of both
>durable, pretty much bulletproof even if abused as long as they're not """tuned"""
>good throttle response

The 2JZ is an objectively better engine if you want to make impressive power or drag/roll race. The 2JZ is an objectively better platform if you chase numbers like in standing mile or dyno shootouts.

The LS is an objectively better engine for a general purpose (i.e. trackday, canyon, autox) car because of its weight and weight distribution, and it will deliver power in a more linear manner than an equivalent 2JZ because of larger displacement.

>>16572307
>40hp

That was the low compression version fitted to tractors lol. The others produced between 75 and 115hp, depending on compression and if it was single or dual carb. But 3 million miles on 1960's tech is pretty damn impressive.

>>16572321
Name one naturaly aspirated engine that does the same power/L at lower RPM.

>>16572325
>more displacement = more off-boost power and torque
and what does that have to do with 'lag'?

>>16572321
I cringed

>>16571905
The f20c will actually make 700hp+ on stock internals for a respectable amount of time, at least 20,000km on an already high life engine
Its cute that you need to use hyperbole as an argument though

>>16571866
>hp/L

Well memed

>>16572367
>The f20c will actually make 700hp+ on stock internals for a respectable amount of time, at least 20,000km on an already high life engine
That car probably spent 5 minutes in total flat out. The rest of the time it was crawling around out of boost.

>>16572349
I think you're missing his point. HP/L is a largely meaningless metric unless you're doing some form of muh numbers competition. A decently powerful engine that peaks at 6-7000rpm and makes ample torque throughout the rev range trumps a high-strung HP/L machine on the street every time..


>>16572367
>and what does that have to do with 'lag'?
If you're asking this it's because you have literally no idea how turbos work. Let me spell it out for you.
>the Turbo flows enough for 1,000hp
>you can use it on 6L or 3L engine
>6L engine provides more exhaust flow throughout the rev range as long as it isn't some manner of industrial engine with no flow therefore it spools the turbo sooner and faster
This is a fact. If you put the same size turbo on two different engines aiming for the same power goal and one has twice the displacement of the other, the bigger one will make more torque sooner and will spool the turbo faster under load, resulting in better transient response. A bigger engine will not make more power with a smaller turbo because turbo flow dictates power not engine flow.

>>16572388
>unless you're doing some form of muh numbers competition

That's exactly what this entire thread is about.

>>16572383
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>16572388
>If you're asking this it's because you have literally no idea how turbos work
Im asking it because you have no idea how turbos work

>the bigger one will make more torque sooner and will spool the turbo faster under load
It may have more low end torque, but that doesnt at ll mean the turbo will spool faster

Try again

>>16572388
Caveat:
This is obviously a simplification which assumes well designed ports and manifolds for the purpose of making a point, so please do not read it and sperg out over things like pressure ratios, EBR, exhaust design, etc.

>>16572388
HP/L is a measure to compare engines of a different sieze.
Of course a engine more than doubble the sieze doesn´t need to rev that high to have the same power, but will also be larger and heavier.

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>>16572398
>a bigger engine won't spool a turbo faster than one half its size

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>>16572398
>larger swept volume does not equal more exhaust flow and therefore faster turbo spool

>>16572402
No it wont
Try again

>>16572410
Prove it genius

>>16572410
But it will. It's physics. Bigger engine, more exhaust flow at a given rpm, faster spool.

Q.E.D.

>>16572406
Doesnt work like that
Try again

>he thinks slapping a turbo on an otherwise bone stock ls1 means it will have greater responsiveness than a stock 2jzgte
literally lmaoing at your idiocy
stop posting any time

>>16572349

You can walk into a GM dealership and get a $12k crate engine that will do that all day long.

Even Honda 2l race engines used in hillclimbing cars need rebuilds after a few hours and they're only putting out around 300hp NA.

A 2l engine putting out 700hp will never be reliable. You don't need to be an engineer to figure this out.

>>16572410
>>16572398
Well since small engines can spool big turbos just as fast as big ones I guess that's why OEM turbo engines all have massively oversized turbos which can flow enough to make way more power than the engine is specced to in a given application


wait

they don't

>>16572415
Im not the one making stupid blank statements such as 'a 6l engine will spool a turbo faster than a 3l engine just because it has more displacement'

>>16572417
Nope
Keep trying though

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>>16572421
>he doesn't realize that a bone stock LS1 makes as much power as a bone stock 2JZGTE

>>16572236

>didn't even check the page linked

kys moron

>>16572428
Prove it. You're making a claim that a 3L engine can spool a given turbo just as fast as a 6L engine. This ridiculous claim requires proof

>>16572398
>Whatever helps you sleep at night
It's true. The F20C is a lightweight design for high rpm. It's not designed for big boost and the fact that the internals are forged means fuck all - they're just not beefy enough.

>>16572428
Too bad you're wrong

>>16570688
>LS
Pigfat shit.

>>16572438
>LS
>Pigfat shit.
What do you think of the 2JZ-GTE and RB26DETT?

>>16572426
Wich naturaly aspirated 2L GM engine can do that?

>>16572427
Congratulations, you figured out that there a greater factors than simply the displacement of an engine!

>>16572434
>>16572437
Lmao

>>16572436
Based on your non-experience working with them? Im sure it trumps reality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KeEKLQIULs

Im sure you can use google to see more information about that particular car
Or use google to see the countless other f20c on stock bottom end making a strong 700hp+
Instead of just shitting out conjecture....

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>posting sarcastic remarks and Lmaos instead of backing up his claims

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>>16572469
>anon makes ridiculously stupid statement and acts as if he is an authority on the subject
>call him stupid
>"no your wrong!"
>"prove hes not right!"
You get nothing other than laughs

>now hes projecting

>>16571532
The Turbo I and II found in the old Daytona and LeBaron for example.

>>16572483
This is some pretty weak damage control, you could've avoided making a fool of yourself like this by just not saying stupid shit or proving your stupid shit right, but you can't, and you didn't.

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>>16572493
Ease up on the projection anon. You are making it too easy for me.

>>16572232

i now realise that the RB20 is the Filipino of the engine world

>>16567659
the LS. Duh.

>>16567659
>Does an engine exist that is globally accepted as "the best"?
Nope.

He sounds like a bus rider and Jalopshit browser. You should hand him printed-out lap times.

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>>16567659
Eat your doritos pistonfags

ls fangirls and 2jz weebs are so pathetic
all hail the n54

>>16572555
This
or the S54

>>16572555
>all hail the n64
*

>>16572530
>13b-msp
>not 13b-rew

>>16572766
>13b-rew
>not 12a

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>>16567659
4g63

>>16572771
>12A
>not M-950

>>16567671
E C O S H I T

>>16572761
Worst mainstream console of all time tbqh.

>>16570603
>not pneumatic
Step it up

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>>16572801

>>16572801
I dunno the game cube was pretty shitty compared to its competitors at the time, and wasn't as significant compared to the N64.

the controller setup for N64 was admittedly pants on head retarded.

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Heard you were talking about great engines

>>16572831
Gamecube was fucking dank fuck off

id say N54 is one of the best engines ever built, oldfags will disagree but N55 is def an improvement

its not reliable/powerful/etc whatever you call it, the sound it makes is just impressive. paired in a 3er it just fits the BMW way of life so well

i also would argue the "best" engine is the F136. powered insanely nice cars, while making probably the best sound ever. there are a few on campus (U of I) and whenever i see one my normalfag friends will go "wow that sounds great" regardless if its a dude or a girl
tbqh if i had a car with F136, reliability and shit would kinda be out the window. literal trophy engine material :p

>>16572836
What's that piece of shit?

>>16570759
>It's a heavy lump of an engine which is only any good if you like showing off at the dyno or racing from a roll.

I do not agree
https://youtu.be/fcl5e8txXo0?t=89

>>16572325
Your opinion is objectively a plebeian opinion piece.

>>16570929
lol i took this picture, Tomahawk weapon system on the USS Missouri

>>16572868
The N54/55 can be very reliable and powerful with a bigger turbo
>830 whp on stock internals
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HWvIoYm6CJI

>>16572895
Evo 2 GSR with Evo 8 internals :^)

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um yah , duh, its right there.

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>>16571999
Guys should I swap an F20C into my Civic? Would that even work?

>>16574961
Wou would need a new transmission as well.
I don´t know if compatible FWD transmissions exist.

XD 4.88

>>16571861
>4.0l I6
Not Ford 4.9l I6
TIMING GEARS SON!

>>16572430
>Discount gentlemens agreement that hobbled Japanese manufacturers

>>16571866
>didn't read the article
They found out at the end it wasn't a 5.3L.
It was a 4.8L.
It's an easy mistake. The 5.3 and 4.8 are IDENTICAL externally and only differ in crankshaft stroke and pistons.

>>16572268
agreed the power numbers quoted are silly but this is just flat out not true.

>>16574961
k20 is a better engine and is made for fwd

>>16567659

The 2JZ sounds like shit. The Chrysler 2 Liters ate motor mounts like they were candy. BMW engines universally leak like a fucking sieve. Even my favorite motor, the 426, is well known to need constant rebuilds because the internals get warped.

Every engine has its problems. The best you can do is look at what engine has the most potential vs the problems it will inevitably have.

On that metric, a mechanical 6bt Cummins is the best engine in the world. They can push ludicrous power figures and run off barely any oil. They will leak, knock, shake like Michael J. Fox watching Pokemon, but they will not fucking die.

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12a is my enginefu
>reliablish in stock form
>port options galore
>them gas-scented braps

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>>16571840
>The cylinder heads still haven't landed and the rods have discovered a new oilfield.
lel

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>>16570581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EILypePbo
>"you ever wake up one day, and realize late model injected turbo GM v8s into 80s shitbox sedans is the only thing you want... or is that just me?" - Matt Happel

Definitely one of my favorite youtube car channels.

>>16573459
Huh, that's pretty awesome, I always figured it was some sort of quick-deploy for folding wings for a navy aircraft.

>>16571944
The LT series is better tho. Lt1 with 280hrs here, u?

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