>America >18 y/o's first car is a V8 New age Mustang

What makes you think it's for insurance reasons? Usually it's tax and fuel price reasons, which in turn are also tax reasons.

>>16522822
19 with a 3 litre v6, its not huge but its bigger than 1.6...

>>16522822
My first car was a 1.4L Toyota Echo. I'm American. That's more typical of the first car in America, not your boomer fantasy.

>>16522822
wow you seppos and euros need to learn how to shitpost better
>Be 19
>have jap 80's shitbox 4sp auto cressida
>love it to death but finally get rid of it a year later for a falcadore
>hate it and put up with it 5 years
>finally go through a bunch of cars and end up with a ls1 5.7
My next car will be a barra turbo (ford au 4.0l i6) AU or E series

Leaning towards a AU sleeper i just gotta find a engine

Displacement is a meme. I drive a 1L jap pile of shit that does 300 kmh easy

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You're talking shit about my civic?

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> 19
> daily a 6.2L V8 AMG E63

feelsgoodman

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>>16522822
>Any anon live in a european country without these regulations? Where an 18 Y/O could drive a larger displacement engine?

Isn't insurance going to rape you in any country if you're <30 years old? Or is there a magic land which I'm missing?

>>16522959
it doesnt matter where you live the insurance would be fuck all expensive on that
like more than your car payment expensive

on top of that the fuel costs would be high even in america

>>16522822
>be 18
>find nice ad for a 240sx
>regulations in greece say that if your car engine has over 2000cc you pay a certain """"luxury vehicle tax""""
>basically its a +1000 euro
tax
>tfw I will never be able to do sick doriftos because of a dumbass tax imposed by other eurocucks
>tfw mx5s and celicas are "rare finds in greece"

Fucking end me now

>>16522975
If you don't live in a ghetto or in Ontario and the car isn't worth anything the insurance aren't so bad.

>>16522862

No it isn't. Most new drivers get their parents old V6 sedan.

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>>16522822
No, I live in France and my insurance doesn't want to cover my car because it is a "SUPER SPORTSCAR" as they say

Toyota MR2 1.6l, barely 115HP

As I am under 25 years old they told me that I couldn't get above 90hp, of course if I would have been a woman it wouldn't be an issue (women pay far less in insurances here in France than men)

So I just stick with my Autobianchi Abbarth A112 which is 85hp approx

It kills me, having to wait four years to drive a decent car

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>>16522822
>yurofags
the only way they get a v8 is spend a million dollars one some gayass frilly ferrari that needs engine out oil changes and burns to the ground every 2 miles, or spend 250k on some fat 7000lbs mercedes/audi that's less reliable than a ferrari and costs 5 figures in repairs every month. america is the only country that matters when it comes to cars.

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>>16524750
This. That's why Americans are so great at building million-dollar-hypercar killers that anyone who works hard enough can actually realistically afford.

Eurocucks meanwhile are too busy building status symbols for their Arab overlords and should be removed from this board, as they can't be car enthusiasts.

>>16522862
>he didnt grow up in an upper middle class suburban hell hole where everyone gets a new jeep or mustang as thier first car

>>16522975
Germany here, my insurance has been as cheap as it gets since I turned 23. I'd pay 1,000€ a year for my 86 if I didn't get a special employee deal.

>>16524750

>America is the only country that matters when it comes to cars

Yes, you read that correctly

>>16522822
>I honestly feel bad for you euros,
Don't. They brought this upon themselves and deserve no pity.

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>>16522822
>UK
>18 years old
>1.7 Lada
>Less that 80hp when new
>1960s tier engine with rather low compression
>Only been over 60mph once.
>£1500 insurance
>Very danger

Just fuck my shit up boii

>>16522822
All your points apply to a single cause
>poor
I've seen plenty of kids driving expensive and fancy cars such as Audis and BMWs because their rich parents buy them whatever they want. It's just that majority of Europeans don't wanna bother with high taxes so over time it got into our blood to think about empeegees before anything when buying a car.

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>>16522822

Not everyone is blessed to have rich, middle-class, suburbanite parents who willing give their children everything on a silver platter but then again, not everyone is cursed with the burden of high automotive taxes, high fuel costs and high insurance costs.

>>16522822
Lmao that only applies to west eu. Here in lithuania you can get anything as long as you have right amount of money. No one here drives petrol turboboxes. Its either diesel VAG or any other german car, sometimes jap. No restrictions on power or displacement. Insurance is fucked up. Newer cars are cheaper to insurance than old, not always tho.

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>>16524750
>>16524767
>>16524804
man, switzerland isn't all that bad, but one day I'll join you guys and move to texas. God bless America.

>>16523306
>playing GT6 online with guy from greece
>talking about shit
>he tells me he has a 1.0L Corsa or some shit
>says cars are super expensive to run there, especially 2L+
>tell him my parents both drive V8s, 4.6L and 5.8L
>he tells me basically nobody drives anything like that where he lives
>the economy is shit
>said he would move to America but he can't afford it
>feltbadman.jpg

Yeah, here shit is fucked up.
I am 32, and I have to pay 360€ / year for a 163HP 2.0d BMW.

And that is a good price mind.

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>>16522822

When I was 15 I bought a muscle car with a 7.4 L engine. Low insurance costs. Europoors btfo

>>16524816
>meet some folks from russia on irc
>expect ladas
>not a single one owns a car
>they cant even afford ladas

>american
>50k debt for university 200k debt for hospital

nice

>>16525636

What about motorcycles, though?

I'm sure a k1600gt would have all the inline6 a BMW driver wants, be fast and comfy and still affordable in 'socialist' Europe.

>>16522959
... Jason?

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>Tfw euros will never know the joy of driving a 21 foot long car with an 8 liter V8, 150 horsepower, 5500 pounds, and 5 mpg

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>>16522822
italy here

gas is around 1.5 euros per liter or 5.7 euros per gallon

insurance is extremely expensive if you are under 26 y.o. (or 30 y.o. in some cases, depends on the company)

mandatory DOT inspection every 2 years, you can't modify anything that's written on the vehicle registration certificate so no power mods and no structural mods or you'll fail the inspection or you will get your vehicle impounded if the police gets you (I’ve seen vehicles impounded for using wheels 1 inch bigger than those allowed on the vehicle registration certificate)

annual ownership tax calculated depending on region, power (expressed in kw) and emissions standard ("euro 0" being the most polluting and "euro 5" being the least polluting) and age of the vehicle

for every kw between 0 and 100 you have to pay between 2,58 ("euro 5" cars) and 3 euros ("euro 0" cars), for every kw over 100 you have to pay between 3,87 and 4.5 euros...and there’s the kicker: if your power output is over 185 kw (251 cv) your car is considered a luxury vehicle so you have to pay a "supertax", an additional 20 (yes, twenty) euros for every kw over 185 if your car is between 0 and 5 y.o., 12 euros per kw if it's between 5 and 10 y.o., 6 euros if between 10 and 15 y.o. and 3 euros if between 15 and 20 y.o. (older vehicles are exempt)

one example? i found a '98 C5 corvette in my region, 358 cv, annual tax is 932.20 euro per year plus a 236.04 euros supertax, that's 1168,24 euros per year for a car that's almost 20 years old...

another one? let's see the annual tax for a brand new 707hp hellcat? 1.885,75 per year plus a fucking 6697 euros supertax!

we literally can't have anything nice here, please bomb us

>>16526087
thats literally nothing, besides I assume you can just slip some euros to the emmision and inspection checker, that happens in spain a lot

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>>16526107
yeah, some mechanics can force your car to pass the inspection but you have to find one and befriend him...people still do modify cars but it can be very risky if the popo ask you to open the bonnet and the officer knows one thing or two about cars...

but that's not even the point, why do we have to pay that much for cars? and why can't we modify our cars if we do it sensibly (i.e. no stance faggotry)? why my dream of a 400 hp LS3 swapped rx7 is impossible in this shithole of a country? why i can't be happy?

>>16524711
http://le-jeune-conducteur.com/assurance/motorisation
>Exemples de voitures puissantes :
>BMW Serie 1
>Audi A3
Glad that my dad immigrated to Canada. He even bought a camaro once he could afford one.

>>16522975
Just make sure you have four doors

Better to have a small engine than be American

>>16524816
That's pretty cheap for 18. Passed at 26, Vauxhall Corsa 1.2, 74hp. Around £1,800 for a year. Can't wait till I've been driving a full year and pay like £800...

>>16526208
Because you're a fucking bitch. Regulation like that is tyrannical - shit less restricting than that started the American Revolution. Rise against your fucking government, you cum stain. Grow some balls.

>>16526972
It gets better, Anon. At 32 I paid £180 to insure a 2.9l V6. Also £86 for my van.

>>16522862
Brian fuck off, you have a review to drop on Monday.

>>16524750
Used C5 start at 13k, used C6 start at 20k in Germany.

>>16525648
>brotruckers think they are hardcore
>shitboxes from the 70's had higher displacements.
lmao'ing at truckers irl.

>>16525648
No, what you bought was a lazily engineered turd. No car industry in the history of the world has been as dog shit lazy and arrogant as Detroit in the '70s.

>>16522822
>1.3L rotary engines are taxed as 2.6L's

Rotary engines get taxed by car weight here in germany...

>>16524802
GT-86 oder AE-86?

>>16528622
>No car industry in the history of the world has been as dog shit lazy and arrogant as Detroit in the '70s.
Wrong. European*

>>16528639
wtf? I bet some of your politician got a pretty fat envelope from a VW hq to do this.

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>>16522822
>>16528639
>I honestly feel bad for you euros, even the 1.3L rotary engines are taxed as 2.6L's

You can't afford £145 per year?

>>16528694
Or 90€ in Germany's case, which is roughly $95?

>>16528686
Actualy that was done in the 60s to compensate for the high specific output of rotary cars.

It was made for the NSU Wankel Spider with its 0,5L it pretty much wouldn´t have payed any taxes at all if they didn´t passed that law.

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Why would you want a powerful big engined car for your daily commute? Does it raise the speed limit or do you save time/earn money by using the cars full capacity on the road? Such people have no life but bragging about who uses the least of their cars potential, wasting resource and money. Truly a 21 century problem/attitude.
Despite earning well over the average median wage, I drive my 1.6 ecobox Alfa 147 and save enough money to trackday it every once in a while and drive my national rotax chamiponships, spending more time racing and enjoying myself than all of you combined. Please review your lifes purposes

>>16528709
>Does it raise the speed limit?
only in Germany

>>16522862
fuck off regularcars

>>16528709
Yeah, especially as the average American work commute is just driving at a steady 50mph on a straight highway for half an hour.

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>>16528698
ah, ok then

>>16524711
>women pay far less in insurances here in France than men
what?! Why?

>>16528785
Because statistically, french men are more likely to total the car, while women most times have scratches or a fender bender. The average men average men will "cost" the insurance more.

>live in Denmark
>Be 20
>buy first car. A rebuilt, totaled Toyota aygo 1.0 three cylinder 68bhp.
>it's from 2011, 136.000km
>30500DKK / 4400USD
>insurance with only liability, 1100USD…
>Gas is 2USD a liter
>earn 14000DKK a month, 8500 after taxes
Fucking reeeeee cock euro

>>16528792
I have the same car, but don´t pay as much as you in anything.
t. german

>>16525756
/thread

>>16528812
Faggot with the /thread meme XDDD
Close the thread everybody. Everything that needed to be said has beens saids.

>Seeing that memepost since like 2009

>>16522866
Falcunt detected. Do not listen to this fool

22/Latvia
I drive a 350z and only pay 75€ a year for liability insurance. Annual inspections are a pain though.

>>16528949
>Latvia
>no theft insurance or vandalism insurance

>>16522822
>18yr old norwgian
>first car is 2002 saab 9-5 2.0t chipped to 210hp
>pay 1200$ for it
>500$/year on parents insurance
>250$/year tax
>make 4x times more money than amerifags

I don't see what you're on about?

>>16528694
/o/ is poor as fuck, despite everyone claiming they drive a muscle car or some other high performance car.

>>16528709
DELET THIS!
A 147 is not an econobox. It may be small on the outside, but it's a veritable mid size car.

>Tfw drove a 5.0L 305 at 16

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>europoor
>my first car was a 2.6l straight six 190e benz
>insurance so low I could pay it +gas and student housing with my 450€ job

What

>Central American
>Drive whatever the fuck you want whenever the fuck you want

>>16522822
Lucky. My first car was a 3.0L V6 ('92 Dodge Spirit).

the truth is, no one cares about young guys who want to go fast here (except for themselves ofc)
the public, the govt, everyone sees them as a menace so the laws will not change

>>16528709
Its not about having a v8 that barely do 3 digit whp its just that a car should be able highway speeds at relatively rpm and in America. Your car would normal in America where finding a car with less than 100hp is difficult.

I'm sure that every american /o/tist had a V8 mustang as his first ride, and totally not some hand-me-down '92 LeSabre

>>16525120
I've heard it's illegal to import RHD vehicles to Lithuania, is that true?

>>16529954
>highway speeds at relatively rpm
If you meant relatively low rpm, that is not much about the engine, it is more about the gearbox...

>>16529976
Its not illegal to import, but as of now you cant register them in LTU. Our government plans to allow registering RHD cars in the near future with requirement to put mandatory camera and other special side view mirrors and other equipment to make it more safe. But as we know, here in LTU youth cant properly drive LHD BMWs and atleast one accident occurs every weekend. So, i think cheap RHD BMWs even make everything worse lmao

>>16525771
LOL. The insurance on motorcycles for young people in Europe is even more absurd then the insurance on cars.

And thats on top of being restricted to tiny bikes in many countries until you are 24.

>>16526208
>LS swapped rx7

your goverment exist to keep you subhuman plebs well behaved

thank god

>>16524711
The prius is above 90 horsepower. That's ridiculous. I'm surprised someone hasn't changed that considering the year it is.

>>16522822
>Be American
>Pay >$100/month for insurance
>Literally getting assfucked by insurance companies and don't even realize.

I have a 1999 corolla1,4l and pay 65€ per month.
im 21

>>16529020
>insurance on your parants
thats why it wasnt so much.

I am europoor and my first car was a BMW 7 series with a 4.4 liter V8 and 333 horsepower. And I'm not even rich
Fuck off OP

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>>16530687
>insurance on your parants
is there any disadvantage to doing this though?

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>>16529993
tfw 80mph at 1500rpm

>>16530794
>80mph
why that slow?

>>16522822
First car was a 1970 toyota hilux
wrecked it in freezing rain

After that I bought my neighbor's 1999 civic lx

>>16522822
>>Europe
>>"Sport" cars have high insurance
>Europe is a single country
Firstly, fuck off.
I'm 25 fresh out of uni and could easily afford a V8 Mustang if I wanted to. Also:
>nodebt, great pay

>be me, be European
>get passed casually by McLaren P1 and similar cars regularly
>go to post office today, have to squeeze past a Merc SLS AMG on the way that's parked all across the walkway
>it's rare to not see the M-series, AMG, S-line or GTI models

>>16522887
>>/dbt/

>>16528650
Now this is the real question.

>>16530703
Your driving experience won't count towards your own no claims bonus, so when you finally do get your own insurance at age 23 or something your rate will be higher than the rate of 23 year olds who've already had insurance since they started driving.

>>16527075

can't rise against shit without fire power, they won, it's too late for us, it's the failure of the European Union, instead of a big free market they created an ultra regulated nanny state hell and bailing out like the uk did would sign our own death sentence (at least financially)

>>16530591

that's why i love ls swap anything, they creates so much butthurt...they are basically wheeled trolls

>>16531676
>no firepower
vid related is considered a toy here...
https://youtu.be/zJGpC_Qgo5E

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>>16525814
>>16522822
>>16524750
Except I do know this joy.

>>16531676
>that's why i love ls swap anything, they creates so much butthurt
so
you do things not because you'll gain from them, but to piss off strangers
a benchracer if I ever saw one

>>16522822
>>Europe
>>"Sport" cars have high insurance
>>2.0L NA I4's in FWD econoboxes being "large" engines
>>Can't drive turbo cars if under a certain age in some countries
>>Can only drive 1.2L, and 1.4L's for insurance
>>Some europeans actually brag about have an engine larger than 1.6 Liters

All lies


>>16522866
literally didn't understand any of this, english please

>>16522822
>Any anon live in a european country without these regulations? Where an 18 Y/O could drive a larger displacement engine?
yes most of us. Yes we have less pointless muscle cars because we think drag racing is for spineless cucks. If you can't handle hairpins on black ice fast you're a scrub.
My first car was a v10 TDI at around 16.

>>16524816
lmao.
I told my dad here in balt about UK insurance rates.
He tought I was full of shit because he has never payed over 100 a year for any car.

>>16524750
>having 100k+ debt before you're 25 to afford muh vee 8 and health care and college fees

ahhh yes


Any retard can go out and finance a high performance car or a muscle car


>>16524767
>are so great at building million-dollar-hypercar killers

Fucking hell this gets even better, /o/'s ignorance will never never cease to amaze me

The brits have tons of these

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>>16528949
350z latvia anon you still here?

>>16528697
That's cheaper than America I think?

Don't they pay $100 a year licence fee?

>>16531496
>Your driving experience won't count towards your own no claims bonus

It does though

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>>16531496
>>16534921
In my country at least you already pay a lot less for car insurance at 24 than at 18. Both times assuming it's your first time insuring a car.

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>>16532159

what would you have responded to that stupid tripfag that said "hurr durr you're dumb cuz you like something that i don't like"?

the rx7 is a really beautiful car, i'm not a jdm type of guy but i always liked it's timeless design (also: dem pop up headlights), rotaries are ok, they make excellent racing engines imo but i'm more of a instant torque and displacement type of guy and i like v8s, LS swaps are a relatively cheap and easy way to have everything i want from an engine in a car that i like, honesty what's not to love about that package?

>>16534954
>LS swaps are a relatively cheap and easy
no

>>16534954

At that point it's a 1/4 mile car, handling is destroyed by the drastic change in steering geometry and ruined weight balance.

If all you want is an ls powered straight line car buy a camaro and swap that, why spend 10k on an FD shell?

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>>16534957
"relatively"

240sx and rx7 swaps have been extensively covered, tons of kits and instructions online, i know there's no easy or cheap swap but it's no like i'm trying to LS swap a 1100cc fiat panda...aaaactually, now that i think of it...

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>>16522822
got a 316i e30 1.6l 4l put a v8 4.0l in it,
said nothing to no one, 27€ insurance monthly. fuck it.

>>16531775
>tfw Dutchfag
>don't care much for Ferd and Chebby but MOPAR is usually pretty cool
>MOPAR just happens to be criminally underrepresented on the used market
Fug.

>>16534960
i don't think a swap would destroy the chassis capabilities of an FD, look at the LS3+T56 swapped 240sx that motortrend did on YT, it picked up just 30kg over the stock drivetrain, i think an FD would still be a nice canyon carver but with far more straight line capabilities...also, for homologation purposes, i would buy an already built project, it would be easier to register it in my country...but still the taxes would still be too much for me

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>>16522822
>Poland
>Merc E class Coupe
>yearly inspection (40$)
>insurance p.a. (500$)
>car runs on lpg (6$ per 100km)

>no emission checks
>tech inspector is your neighbour, invite him for vodka and chicken wings and you're fine.
>no retarded age limitations for insurance
>mad mods are not an issue, get compliments on inspection

living the dream

>>16535474
whats lpg like

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>>16535480
barely no difference to petrol
just 1/3 of costs

on petrol the car is a little stronger but for every day use it doesnt matter at all.

pic related, mad exhaust action & lpg tank

>>16535480
>>16535492

the power loss on lpg is around 3% so barely noticeable on every day use like the other anon said, the only issue is that lpg is a bit "dry" compared to petrol, so on the long term the engine can suffer a bit from it...but if you alternate lpg and petrol every now and then...

yes, i am european and i wish to die everyday.
what pains me everyday is that literally 95% of cars are either 1.2l diesel hatchbacks or, for the more expensive ones its 2.0 german crossovers. literally no petrol cars are left. literally none. im willing to bet cars since 2010 bought new are 90% diesel. you see a lady climb into a shitbox, she turns it on and it sounds like a truck. i literally want to die

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>>16535643
depends on the engine
my 16 valve 2.0l engine with proper electronics can deal with lpg very good

in that car I already made 100k without any issues

I had a wagen with the same engine, made over 300k on lpg with it plus 300k before the lpg conversion

>>16535474
based polak strikes again

>>16535688
Mercs are known to take LPG very well because of something in the engine design. Some other brands are much less suited to it.

>>16522862
my first car was a 3.0L i6, and my second car was a 4.6L V8, umad?

>>16534954
I wasn't expecting a serious answer from you anon-I assumed you were just fishing for (you)s
If you ever get a chance to swap an FD with an LS
then go for it

>>16534981
Living the dream

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>>16534954
Have you considered a C5 Vette?

>>16522975
insurance is cheap in the US. I'm 25 and can insure a shitbox for $30 a month, i can insure a fucking literbike for less than that.

>>16535654
Me too anon. I want diesel to be banned in yurop, except for trucks and other heavy vehicles.

>>16524816
You have a Lada? What led you to that, above everything else as a first car?

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>>16535654
>>16537301
the amount of diesels where I live is still ok, but the kind of cars they come in infuriates me. especially when you look at how much people pay for them.

>2 liter i4 diesel vw golf
>35'000$
>muh saving the environment
>muh fast car because instant torque

>>16537636
>muh fast car because instant torque
This is completely true though

>>16537636
>tfw live in lithuania
>theres FOUR times more diesel cars in ads than petrol