Name a better four cylinder engines >honda B and D series,

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>>16506205
Ecotec master race.

>>16506205
>Toyota E engine
>Just keep feeding it oil until the rest of the car falls apart around it

>>16506205
>Toyota KD engine, used by both insurgents and UN
Just stop making these threads and apologize. Now.

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>>16506222
Forgot pic

>>16506222
UN vs whole mexican street scene. Lol the UN aint got a chance bruh

Honda K Series is god tier.
Nissan Sr20 is demigod tier.

Honda runs the 4 cyl game no doubt nothing can really compete without forced induction

>Saab B234 - 2.3L boost god
>Mazda FS-DE - 2.0L N/a god
>Thread

>>16506229
dont forget Peurto Ricans mayne

take your D16 in for a little work they piss on it and it makes 500whp on pump gas

For Innit D fags
>inb4 4A-GE

For murikafags
>inb4 ecoboost 4

For the hipster faggots
>inb4 taunus v4

>Toyota 3S

>>16506242
This tho

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>>16506205
Offenhauser 4

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Oil sludge aside, VW/Audi got things pretty right with the 1.8T.

>>16506241
>FS-DE
>god of anything
It's not even the best 4CYL Mazda made, it's not even a good one, that would be the BP and MZR

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Cuck tier

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Ecotec is very similar to K series in many ways. Ecotec is my bae tho.

Ecotec #1 cylinder home, all other cylinder homes are irrelevant.

>>16506249
>parents have '89 Camry with 3S-FE and A140
>almost 350,000 miles
>neither engine or trans have had any major work done to them
>they refuse to drive anything else even though I've tried to give them my '96 Taurus multiple times

mecedes makes the undisputed most powerful 4cyl

>>16506286
They don't.

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>>16506286
i am disputing this

>>16506205
C20NE

4age

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-N4KLq0vQk

Team brunet worlds fastest 4cyl GM ECOTEC

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>>16506205

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>>16506205
This gets my vote.

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>>16506205
Do you even Cosworth, faggot

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>>16506417
F20C confirmed best naturaly aspirated 4 cylinder

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>All these horizontal monted i4
Kek, what a bunch of losers.
There is only one I4 that is worth to talk about and yes it is vertically mounted.

>>16506447

>vertically mounted

So, the flywheel points towards the ground, anon? Gee, that must work wonders!

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>>16506205
>Mazda MZR
>2ZZ-GE
>LSJ Ecotec
>4G63
>4B11

Are you even trying OP?

>>16506447
>what is longitudinal and transverse
And FYI the 3SGTE gets mounted in mid-engine and AWD cars with that configuration, so that doesnt really mean shit

>>16506225
>>16506222
Changing faulty injectors before spinning a rod and lunching the engine really looks like a bitch job.

>>16506454

The MZR is indeed an amazing 4-banger, they work very well regardless of application. Want an engine for your minivan? MZR. Want an engine for your monstrous turbocharged RallyX machine? MZR.

>four bangers are fucking garbage

Fixed it for you.

>>16506205
+0,7l of oil has been disposed to your tank

>>16506469
the only garbage ITT so far seems to be this post

>all these people praising Ecotec
aren't they super shit though? i'm confused

>>16506492
They can take an absolute fuckton of boost, really easy to make power.

>>16506217
FPBP

>>16506492
Typical GM - objectively junk but because they're literally everywhere they become a valid real world choice

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>>16506464
They have a really broad powerband aslong as you don't put too large of a turbo on it.Pic related Stock block MZR with a GTX2871R and a e85 mix

>>16506205
Beams 3sge

Volvo slant-4

>worlds longest running car is a redblock-powered Volvo P1800

>>16506530
>beams isn't even a clever acronym
>it literally means fuck all

>>16506547
>let's ignore the best turbo 4 because of what it's called

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>>16506554
>the best turbo 4
lmao oh my god i think he's being serious

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>>16506504
>>16506517

Aren't Ecotec just a label they slapped on a bunch of petrol engines from like '95 and on, while making them slightly more weedy to comply with emissions?

RIP C20LET

>>16506575
>Inlet and exhaust valves separated by an angle of 80 degrees
jeez

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>>16506578
>lets post memes

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The Alfa Romeo Bialbero, you tasteless niggers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxefQc29tiU

>>16506599
Nah, the ecotecs are relatively new, if memory serves, they have little to nothing in common with the '95 vintage GM quad 4's that preceded them.

>>16506616
He was saying the BEAMS is NA you fucking retarded, he's wrong about you being autistic because you're just fucking stupid

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>>16506618
Italian trash.

>>16506622
Ecotec became a thing in the early 00s, they were first in the last gen Cavalier LS Sport IIRC

>>16506633
>lets get butthurt and angry
it doesnt matter if he was talking about the turbo or NA. your issue with the engine was that it was called BEAMS. it doesnt matter.
I was talking about the gte, but you can continue to be angry and retarded, thats your prerogative

>>16506656
I'm not the guy you got in a pissing match with over the name, I'm just pissrd because retards like yourself think you know what you're talking about when you have no fucking clue what's spouting out from your dick sucking lips

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>>16506646
>Alfa Romeo
>Italian trash

Wash your mouth kiddo, you ain't got idea of what you're talking about.

>>16506665
kek, still going i see
You need to calm your autism fren

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>>16506648
First car to use the Ecotec was the 2000 Saturn L-series. 2.2L L61. ~140 HP.
And if you through the aftermarket support at it, 1500 HP is within the realm of possibility.

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>>16506633
>>16506616
>>16506656
Beams is probably the stupidest name for an engine I've ever seen. It means nothing. Only an autist retard could still be jocking that obscure, overrated shit and forcing fucking people to talk about it like 30 years after production because you can't let people forget your fucking favorite brand's lame fucking attempts at being special. Kindly fuck off.

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>>16506622
It might be different for us eurofags.
I remember the C20XE (150hp) + Ecotec = X20XEV (134hp)

Image not related, but good tier four banger

>>16506675
definitely different for you guys.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Ecotec_engine

>>16506671
Quit acting like you know what you're talking about and the autism will lessen, faggot

>>16506674
>he's still bitching about the name
>calling one of the best NA 4CYL engines shit because he hates the name

>>16506283
>>they refuse to drive anything else even though I've tried to give them my '96 Taurus multiple times
>'96 Taurus

I can see why

>>16506674
>more angry ranting
citation needed

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>>16506687
>>16506691

>>16506675
Yeah, I read up on that Hot Rod Mag article about the Ecotecs, interesting shit because they have a shit ton of technology in them, complete 180 from their old 4 bangers

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>>16506668
>snazziest new tech, DOHC, machined hemi combustion chambers, multi-carbs, two plugs per cylinders, twist forged crank
>takes forever to spin to a whopping 6200 rpm
>even the turbo versions barely cracked 150hp

Alfa is trash.

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>>16506707
You triggered shillcuck?

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>>16506687
>one of the best NA 4CYL
Top 100 maybe

>>16506725
Nice shitpost

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>>16506716
>hot pleb opinions
oh this is valuable input, pay attention everyone

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>>16506683
I really want an Opel Speedster with the L61 and put the supercharger kit from an LSJ on it.

>>16506711
It was designed by a team of engineers from Opel, GM USA, Saab and Lotus, so it's no surprise really. Those guys know what they're doing when it comes to 4-bangers.

>>16506733
A TVS blower would be better tho

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>>16506732
No skin off my teeth if you like something woefully underpowered- Unless that's not the hangup and you've just drank the liberal arts major koolaid fed to you by outlets like Jalopnik, and you think it's hot shit because of all the "soul, pashun" and whatever other meaningless buzzword they've told you it has.

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>>16506733
>I really want an Opel Speedster with the L61 and put the supercharger kit from an LSJ on it.
it's been done.

>>16506777
And that's why.
>tfw no OG Lotus with a GM engine swap

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>>16506769
>or you don't know what tuning is, and foolishly judge the inherent attributes and real potential of engineered equipment based on a circumstantial state of tune.
Jej

>>16506792
So what's the optimal spark advance for one of those little brapboxes? What's the total timing I'd want and when? How many inches of mercury do I want across both carbs? Do I want to take that reading from ported or direct vacuum? Besides, I haven't seen a gain of really more than 50 horse on tuning alone for stock engines without having to start running shit on race gas- The whoptie doo, you've got something that barely outperforms a contemporary ecotec and gets walked on by Offys of the day. Alfa is trash.

>>16506834
>tuning is hard guys
bruh.
>>>/mlp/

>>16506266
>not the 13b-rew

>>16506846
I didn't say it was hard, I was asking you what was optimal, since you know the "real" potential of those Alfa engines- So enlighten me.

>>16506538
It's a good engine, though I prefer the ohc over ohv.

>>16506852
>13B-
Get out.
This is a thread for 4 cylinder piston engines. Take your rotard rotary shit to a containment thread.

>>16506241
>>Saab B234 - 2.3L boost god
what possesses a company to make a engine that can easily handle twice the boost it will ever be sold with.

>>16506868
pretty easy when the Saab 900 transmission explodes at anything over stock output

>>16506538
engine has been rebuilt a few times, I don't think the engine has even gone 1,000,000 miles without a rebuild.

>>16506857
>because that's how tuners tune engines isn't it? theoretically, via posts on a Philipino Lechon Enthusiast's message board
You're not seriously waiting for specific values, are you?

>>16506867
>>16506852
>not 26b

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>>16506205
>All of these inline plebs ITT

>>16506217
>cartridge filter
Absolutely disgusting

>>16506891
what's wrong with the cartridge filter? The housing is built into the block and they are so much easier to deal with.

>>16506241

FS engines are shit. The previous iteration of them, the FE is much simpler in it's econobox application and much more powerful in it's FEDOHC/FE3N 16V EFI version.

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>>16506888
Hey, if you know their "real" potential you must be intimately familiar with the things, even ball park, like right now I can tell you for a hard running small block chevy they tend to like about 32-34 degrees of total timing, plus or minus about 10 with vacuum advance, with all the timing in at no later than about 3200 rpm. Come on, if I'm so off-base about what those Alfas are REALLY capable of, school me, enlighten my ass.

>>16506911
Gotta have a special socket to change it, usually overtorqued to hell by the last guy so you need a breaker bar to get it loose, and you have to change the gasket separately. More complication and takes longer than just unscrewing a spin on, making sure the gasket came off with it, lubricating the new gasket, and spinning the new one on. What part of all that makes a cartridge easier to deal with?

>>16506930
>80 degree included valve angle
What does he mean by this?

>>16506932
I have that special socket. Literally a few bucks at Advanced Auto. Never had a problem with it being too tight when changing it myself after having a shop do the previous oil/filter change.
I own a 2.2L Ecotec car. It's not a problem. It doesn't take longer. I've actually had more problem with removing and replacing conventional canister style oil filters than these cartridge style ones.

Toyota 22RE

>>16506930
>SBC
>vacuum advance
>gives ignition timing doesn't provide compression ratio or fuel AKI
>sbc fag so knows nothing about cam timing or high flow ports/valves
>only knows rules of thumb about the most overexposed, everybody and their grandma engines
Oh it all makes sense now

>>16506938
Depends on how it's measured, it's either the measured angle between opposed valves, or the angle of the valve in relation to the centerline of the cylinder bore. Optimal two valve angle seen in LS engines and Pontiac V8s tend to be around the 13 degree mark, so since 80 is so extreme, it would presumably be the angle between opposed valves.

>>16506954
I'm glad you're happy with it then, just I do oil changes at Walmart and we get the worst of everything so most of them are a pain in the ass.

>>16506834
>Alfa is trash.

Explain why, then.

I'm asking again, do you know about WHAT you're talking about?

Alfa Romeo, the legend.

>>16506973
>Depends on how it's measured, it's either the measured angle between opposed valves, or the angle of the valve in relation to the centerline of the cylinder bore.
Included implies the sum of both intake and exhaust valve angle.

>13 degree mark
Because you simply can't go any wider with a pushrod setup.
Yes, 80's extreme, but you should know that head is a 10K+ RPM head. Citing even stock figures at 6500 isn't telling the story. I'm sure the F20C makes less HP at 6500, but it's one of the most displacement-specifically powerful (peak) production engines because of tuning. Let the Alfa spin to 10K with the correct tuning and it's a monster.

>>16506991
>walmart oil changes
Well there's your problem. None of the wal marts around here offer it but I wouldn't do use them even if they did. I just use our family mechanic when I do. The guy used to go drag racing with my Aunt.

also.
http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/lisle-oil-filter-socket-for-gm-2.2-liter-lis14700/25981297-P?searchTerm=oil+filter+socket

not all that hard.

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>>16506930

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Romeo-Twin-Cam-Engines-Speedpro/dp/1903706602

>>16507015
Oh I meant that I'm an oil change monkey at Walmart, not that I take my car there. Sorry if I was unclear.

>>16506968
Nah mother fucker, you specified "tuning" as some be all end all to cure how woefully underpowered the Alfa so I'm talking tuning. Advancing the cams doesn't yield much benefit if you're winding the thing to a whopping 6500 or so. Fuel is pump gas, ideally 93 and 11.5-12:1 thereabouts has got along well with that kind of timing on a Chevrolet. And hey man, those ports can't be flowing much if the little brapbox makes a grand 150ish horsepower even in turbo trim. But hey, I wasn't the one claiming to have the REAL answer about an engine's performance that the great engineers at Alfa didn't think to do.

>>16507038
>you specified "tuning" as some be all end all to cure how woefully underpowered the Alfa so I'm talking tuning
Uhhhh, how much are you trying to minimize tuning the context of engine performance, cletus?

>hurr durr if the factory didn't tune it for maximum output then it can't be done
Spoken like a true jegs catalog tuner

>>16507005
Underpowered, too expensive for what they are, low profile oil pans in the 4 pots means a small capacity, places it close to the crank so it's real vulnerable to windage so you can't reliably wind something with those problems that high, aluminum casting methods circa the 50s were really shitty so I personally don't trust old aluminum blocks, hemi combustion chambers have good flow characteristics but little revboxes like compression to make decent power and it's difficult to bump the compression with hemi chambers while still retaining good flame travel.

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>>16507008
13 dregrees is way way better than 80.
80 degrees is fucking awful.

>>16507074
>awful
You HAVE to explain.
*Remember, we're talking performance engines, not emissions compromises.

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>>16507094
>spoonfeed me mommy!

>>16507045
I'm not, on good days I see a ceiling of about 50 horse from really getting shit bang on with the tune and said even if that were the case with the Alfa it'll still get walked on by better engines of the day. And I never said things can't be warmed over for more power, but if the factory engineers didn't, why didn't they? If Alfa is so great and so legendary, why do you or I have to coax their engine to not be gutless?

>>16507106
You simply don't know, that's why you can't answer.
>BTFO
>T
>F
>O

Will he recover???

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>>16507158
>thinking this shit bait will work
>not knowing enough about engines to know where you went wrong
keep watching those engineering explained videos kiddo, he might cover the topic one day

>>16506454
>4G63
This

>Used by Mitsubishi for over 25 years
>Turbo variant can handle 20 psi from the factory (19.5 on the Evo IX)
>Lasts forever with reasonable maintenance
>Phenomenal tuning potential
>Sounds as good as any V8
>Naming scheme is simple as fuck (4 cylinders, takes gasoline, 6th engine family, 3rd model, "T" for turbo or nothing for a lack of)

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>>16507179
>>16507106
I'm totally new to engines. I heard someone say something about port angle.
What's a good port angle? What kind of thing does port angle affect? What kind of other head characteristics limit or determine the best flowing port angle. Do you know? I don't. I'm stupid and was hoping you can help me. Not much information about port angles on google. Thanks bro

>>16507186
>Open the door, get on the floor / Everybody walk the crank
If it walks the crank it's disqualified.

>>16507071

>Buzzwords the post

Someone this stupid thinks they know about engines and wants to shit on a twincam alfa?

Twin spark in a hemi chamber gives it flame travel. One ignites at the top of the.compression stroke, the other ignites BTDC on the exhaust stroke. Earlier twin cam engines fired both at the same time. Same process as a 426 top fuel engine. You know, those 6.5:1 compression ratio race motors? Now the twin spark makes 10:1 compression. With a proper can setup can make 200 horsepower with a table flat torque curve at 2500rpm.

Windage is solved with a crank scraper made from about 25 cents of sheet metal or a windage tray.

They were THE most powerful four cylinders in the world at the time. Not too shabby for an engine that can trace it's roots back to 1910.

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>>16506242
Idk about honda's, but those puertoricans do mad shit with doritos

>>16506242
>>16507484
Fuckin' Ricans are my kind of tuners!!

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Mine starts funny when you hot start it, but it's a beautiful engine that will do over 200,000 if you just take care of the thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8FqWwVDTg

EDV/EDT I4

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>>16506205
Is this bait?

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>>16509987
>Metal fuel rail
You're goddamn right.

>>16507186

I'd agree with you but...

>sounds as good as any V8

...that's utter bullshit. I love four-bangers but V8 sounds much better, end of the story. You clearly haven't heard many V8s if you think a 4G63 can sound as good as them.

>>16506252
/thread

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>>16506230
>demigod
>sr20
The fact that people still believe the SR is a good motor, just goes to show some peoples ignorance.
Pic related, when you buy your shitty SR20

>>16506675
Hell yeah, I've got one, 4g92mivec islyf

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>>16510262

Completely agree, anon. Anybody who's seen the internals of Mazda's contemporary 2000cc 16 offering would agree, pic related. What made the SR20 live on and the Mazda disappear into obscurity is that Mazda, quite retardedly, put it in the FWD MX6 that couldn't be as popular as the 240SX. Engine wise, however, no competition.

what makes a k20 god tier?

>>16506875
a million miles per rebuild is still pretty fucking good, though

>>16510677
9k redline, sound, swapping it to eg civic and tasting mustang tears

>>16510677
The fact that it has i-VTEC on both the exhaust and intake cams, very strong block and bottom end, but when built for boost can make sick HP for a 4 banger

obviously the f20c

>>16511318
F20B as well

>>16506205
Toyota S engine.
>boost to 350 on stock internals
>just another day at the office for the thing
Buddy back in highschool was making 320 to the wheels on an engine with 150,000 miles on it.

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>>16511811
>only 350 on stock internals
get out of here. S engine is one of the shittiest.

>>16511320
That's a TOTALLY different engine, but ok.

>>16512373
I'm well aware it's a totally different engine, but if the H22A is going to be mentioned, the F20B should be given better consideration considering it was the best F/H block made, period

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>>16506205

>>16506217
agreed, I had a Saturn ion Redline, engine was fuckin cash never gave me a problem no matter what I threw at it, 10/10 would buy again

Those are pretty good engines.
From the Euro 4 cylinders the Opel Astra 1.8 Litre and above seems very grunt especially turbod. Both the Opel and Honda VTec seem to create power and deliver very good reliability.
10/10 therad op.

>>16506217
The only thing I don't like about this engine is the oil filter. On the N/A and turbo versions, it isn't a problem, but on the supercharged version, the roots type blower sits right over the filter housing. So you either have to remove the blower to get to it, or contort yourself

>>16512361
Bummer for that dude but I'd tend to blame him slapping an ebay turbo on fifth gen.

Did 500kKm on D15B2.

Burned lots of oil but compression was still very good.

>>16506867
It fits into the same category of power and fuel consumption as an inline 4 though

>>16506889
Not in a road car. Get out.

>>16506834
>inches of mucury
Fuck I thought mmHg was bad enough... use psi or bar like everyone else snowflake

EA888 Gen. 3 2.0TSI

>>16512602
>it wasnt even turbo it was stock
that's the worst part. check the video

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Sadly will never be the best since aftermarket ain't nowhere near Honda.
But put forged pistons or B234 pistons in it and you have yourself a torque monster.

I'm pushing 320HP and 545Nm out of mine.
Make sure you do some tranny upgrades/swap though, especially if you use an older one like the 9000 and non-Aero 9-5

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>>16514545
Why not just start with the B234R in the first place?

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>americlaps will never get this

>>16514578
>make boxer engine for muh centre of gravity
>ends up being as tall as an inline
Bravo Subaru.

>>16514578
>posting a diesel in a good 4 cylinder thread
get out. You don't know what good is.

>>16512733
>It fits into the same category of power and fuel consumption as an inline 4 though
no it doesn't.
with 6 total sides, it's closer to a V6.
The total displacement considering the 3 sides of the rotors means it's effectively a 3.9L
The working displacement per 1 turn of the crankshaft means it works like a 2.6L
Fuck off retard.

>>16514755
>it's a v6
>it's a 3.9L
>it's a 2.6L
>your retarded

wew

>>16514893
point is, it depends on how you look at it. But the fuel economy is NOT that of a 4 cylinder. There are gigantic America V8's in huge trucks that drink less fuel.