How does /o/ downshift? Let's say you're approaching

double clutching is a meme
the clutch is a wear item
the transmission is not
double clutching will ruin your clutch more than save your transmission

>>16498725

I assume you're referring to the release bearing, as surely it puts very little stress on the clutch plate itself

>>16498711

>approaching set of lights
>let go off gas and coast in gear
>if I'm getting too close, back to neutral and just brake all chill
>lights go green
>clutch in
>rev match with the throttle and drop a gear if I'm still in gear, rev match and select appropiate gear for the current road speed if in neutral (maybe a gear higher if I'm cruising all comfy)
>clutch out

Done

>>16498711
like if I'm rolling from 5th to a stop at red lights, and they go green and I need to get moving and I'm at like 1-2k rpm, i'll just throw it into 2nd and rev to match accordingly. faster than going through all the gears, 3rd would be too high, 1st wouldn't be smooth enough.

>>16498711

You should only downshift if you're looking to lower your speed and stay at that speed or if you need a sudden acceleration.

>>16498758

Ok fair point, let's assume that you're doing 60mph in 5th gear and you slow down to 10mph so need 2nd gear to accelerate

Do you go through 4th and 3rd i.e. sequential. If so, do you release the clutch each time or leave the clutch in and just move the stick? Or do you put clutch in, go from 5th to 2nd and release clutch?

Or do you do what me and >>16498739 do and stick it in neutral, double clucth, select 2nd gear and go.

>>16498711
I press the clutch, engage the correct gear and release the clutch as intended in a synchronised manual transmission.

There is no need to double clutch, rev match, heeltoe or other stupid shit.

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>>16498711
rev-match master race reporting

>>16498771
this advice >>16498758 is shit and does not consider what you're asking.

if you have to turn to a side street and don't have to stop before doing it, you probably need to slow down to take the corner and be in the right gear so you can start pulling back up to speed. do a full shift each time you down shift.

if you can't heal-toe or your cars peddles don't allow for it, brake a bit, clutch in, move stick+rev, clutch out, brake a bit more, downshift, etc. until you're at the right speed in the right gear.

> go from 5th to 2nd
this seems like a bad habit. there's a lot of room for error. go through all the gears when you have to slow down but not complete stop imo. it's good practise and you'll better learn your car.

>stick it in neutral, double clucth, select 2nd gear and go.
double clutching is a fucking meme, you never need to do it with newer cars (anything from the last 20 years). if you're new at manual you probably don't have the confidence to skip gears with out fucking it up, so don't.

>>16498771

I just clutch in, from 5th to 2nd, blip the throttle and clutch out. If I'm feeling extra DAGUMEEEEHHH I pop the lever from 5th to neutral without clutching, blip the throttle, clutch in, 2nd, clutch out.

>>16498787

Spotted the benchracer.
Why going through the hassle of going through ALL the gears?

>>16498818
>Spotted the benchracer.
>Why going through the hassle of going through ALL the gears?

I see reading comprehension is not your strongest skill

>Let go off gas
>Drop to 4th
>Drop to 3rd
>Drop to 2nd if I have to otherwise just gas

Might have to do some breaking depending on the situation

>>16498711

I go through the gears from 5th down to 2nd and try to avoid braking.

I always slow down before the light steadily so if I try turns green I will always be in a decent gear to accelerate off - maybe I might drop it from 4th to third etc.

I like to go through the gears in case the light changes, then I'm just ready to go and I feel like a racecar. Most of the time, engine braking doesn't slow me down quickly enough in my 2017 wrx.

>>16498831
I also see this.

>>16498711
>brake in gear until I need to change down
>clutch in
>blip throttle and select lower gear
>clutch out

Nice and smooth

>>16498711
>approach set of lights which go green just before arrival
>clutch in, select proper gear
>blip throttle, release clutch
>back to smooth acceleration up to speed

Y'all make this shit way more intricate than it needs to be, you're not speed racer, you're going down the street to McDonalds.

>>16498711
>slow down in gear
>blip throttle drop to 3rd
>dat smooth transition
>accelerate and up shift as needed.
That's all you need to do.

>>16498711
That depends on my
1. speed
2. distance to light
3. how much I want to accelerate

If I need to slow down fast I usually drop enough gears to get to 5500-6500rpm in order to slow down fast and stay in my powerband, sometimes I shift down furter after getting to 4000rpm.

>>16499103
Usually I stay between 2000 and 3000rpm to deactivate fuel injection in order to save fuel or coast in neutral or witth engine off if I don´t need to brake anyways.

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>>16498711
FUCKING BURGER-CUNT LEAVE /O/ NOW YOU MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU FUCKING MONKEYS STAY WITH YOUR HURR DURR MURICAN MUSCLE BULLSHIT AUTOMATIC SHITBOXES!!!!!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16498807
t. autotragic

>>16499128

OP here

Funny you should say that. I'm a Britfag that's been driving 'stick' since I started learning nearly 10 years ago. I was just curious to see how everyone else drives.

Seems most people are similar, especially with rev matching. The difference is whether people double clutch and/or block shift.

I've been driving manual for 10 years and don't even know all this technique bullshit lol. It all comes natural

I don't shift, I let that work to simple computers and solenoids.

I usually downshift to second (with double clutching, fite me irl if you don't like it) from pretty far away, approach the red light slowly in the hopes it will turn green again by the time I have to stop. Only if there isn't much traffic though, don't want to upset anyone behind me by going super slow if there's a lot of cars on the road.

If I know I'll have to stop and/or there's a lot of traffic I'll sometimes just clutch in but stay in gear and roll to a stop because that's how I was taught to do it initially.

To you niggers double-clutching, don't you have gear synchros? Do you have straight cut gears?

>>16499924

I only double clutch if I'm block shifting. Going from 3-4 or 4-3 etc I don't bother

>double clutching in a modern car

someone please tell me everyone is just trolling

>>16499999
N O I C E

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You're just a real petrolhead if you know how to heel&toe!

>>16498807
>> go from 5th to 2nd
>this seems like a bad habit

I've done this my entire life. Since 4 years old on a dirtbike to 30 years old with everything.

Only a bad habit if you don't know the ins&outs of your car very well.

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>>16500023

Heel toe because if you can't shift while braking you should drive a fucking automatic

It's basic car control.

>oh just let me stop braking to avoid stalling my engine at 1rpm!

>>16498725
You sort of contradicted yourself there. If the clutch is a wear item and the tranny is not, then shouldn't we double declutch to put more wear on the clutch and less on the non-regular-maintenance-or-replaced transmission? Even if it does wear the clutch more, it's just a couple hundred bucks and an afternoon...

>>16500079
^this. It's also good to know how to do it FOR TRACK DAY.

What I do is heel-toe double clutch without the clutch (pop into neutral, rev match, then slam it into gear) for EVERY FUCKING GEAR

>>16498711
>How does /o/ downshift?

I usually pull the downshift paddle.

step on the brake until rpms are at 1000 and kick clutch
put in 1st
wait until i can go again.

fuck downshifting unless im driving like a maniak and need to brake for corners

>>16500079
Are you one of those retards that everytime they come to a stop they downshift and engine brake through every single gear?

>>16499890
>fite me irl if you don't like it

Being this salty doesn't make your "technique" any less stupid

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>>16498711

>>16499999
not everybody here owns a modern car

>>16498711

I shift into L and let the regen slow me down.

>>16500567
I think by "modern" he meant to include all cars since the invention of synchronisers

if I know I am going to have to slow down then go and am in 5th gear I will in a fluid motion
>clutch in
>rev to what I would for 4th gear and move the stick to fourth gear clutch still in
>rev again once in 4th gear to the 3rd gear estimated revs and put stick in 3rd gear
>release clutch
like I said its done very quickly a quick tap, tap on the gas

>>16498711
I don't understand why anyone would want to deal with all that bullshit. I mean I get euros are too poor to aford an automatic, but to my US bros... what is your excuse? Automatic is only 1k more at most.

>need to downshift
>pull the handbrake
>car comes to a stop
>turn on hazard lights
>hold the clutch to the floor
>slowly change gear to not mess the gearbox
>release clutch very slowly
>release handbrake
>hold the gas
>look behind me as to not hit something
>car now runs at 2k rpm while in third gear

>>16500638

Emotion.

>>16500633
this is what I do too. And same process but using right side of right foot on the brake, and left side of rt foot/rt heel to tap the gas

>>16500638
bcus autos arent as intuitive :)

>>16498711

I pretty much never coast in neutral, that's a pretty bad habit, as if you get rear ended you won't have the resistance of the gears to initially slow you down.
I just slowly shift from whatever gear and make my way down to 2nd.

>>16498711
> Clutch in
> Select gear
> Clutch out
> Let synchros do the work

I'm not keeping the car long enough for gear/clutch wear to be an issue. It's going once it hits 10 years or 100k.

>>16498818

Sometimes when I'm bored, Ill just row through all the gears; it's fun and my car pops a lot when downshifting. Or... if I don't know how much I will be slowing down, I will row through my gears one by one

>>16500719
Additional to this, the main wear when changing gear is on my left leg. Particularly the foot if I'm sat in traffic with it on the clutch.
The less clutch work I do the better, at least when commuting. I'll tend to coast along in gear and engine-brake, before skipping gears on the way down if I have to stop. Or just step on the clutch, stop, and then select first when I need to get moving.

>>16500719
Do you have any fucking idea how little force your gears and your engine have against the full weight of another vehicle ramming into you?

Unless by "coasting" you mean going from 5mph to zero in first gear and by "rear ending" you mean bumping at 3mph.

You can literally turn the engine yourself with your arms if you lift a drive wheel, put an high gear and then manually spin the wheel, imagine what kind of infinitely useless force could your engine make when a 1.5+ ton vehicle rams your ass and you are both going at anything over city-traffic speed.

How can you even come up with this stupid fantasy physics on your own Jesus Christ.

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>own an Audi with Tiptronic 6-speed
>coming up to stoplight
>click "-" on steering wheel to downshift from 4th
>left leg comfortably chillin', no ridiculous manual clutch to deal with
>click "-" on steering wheel to downshift from 3rd
>engine braking all the while to save brakes
>come to a stop with light braking
>Tiptronic auto downshifts to first when I'm at a complete stop.
>nod at the hottie in the A4 next to me, she smiles
>operation complete

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>>16500821

>>16500831

>tiptronic
>audi
>not a porche
>tiptronic
>audi

>>16498725
You're not wearing the trans at all when double-clutching. You're actually putting less wear on the synchromesh.

>engine brake when down shifting
>use a bit of brake if required
>double clutch into first if i need to go into first
>never skip gears or go into neutral and use brakes only because thats for lazy people.

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>>16498711
Muh tiptronic.

>>16500916
>Not realising Porsche is owned by VW who owns Audi and uses all the tech interchangeably.

>clutch in
>shift to desired gear
>raise revs
>clutch out

I feel like that's probably wrong, its a synchro but that part never really works unless the rev range is only about 300 rpms away.

>>16501039
I know right? That's why you see synchros blowing up left and right from all the people that downshift without rev matching or double clutching.
It's not like they last for the lifetime of the car if you are not a complete idiot.

Those stupid engineers I swear

>>16499042
This. When I was starting out I'd go through all the gears if I'm coming to a stop, but it's obviously not necessary, ever. Sometimes I still do, ust depends on how much I feel like dicking around and how much work I want to do in that moment, which usually isn't a lot. Was good for the extra practice when I was getting used to it my first couple weeks driving standard, years ago.

Have yet to discover a real need for double clutching unless I need to slam it down into second or first from a higher gear. All y'all doing it frequently may need to reconsider.

My Nordic buddy was telling me about how he always does it in his Galant, and I was just appalled. Aren't they supposed to have better drivers' ed than us Americans?

His car's definitely more 'modern' than my 24-year-old FD.

>>16500010
There is no reason to do this in daily commuter traffic. Sometimes I will use something like heel-toe on hill starts if it's a steeper incline than I'm comfortable with, but that's not downshifting so it's not really relevant here.

>>16504335
>There is no reason to do this in daily commuter traffic.

When I say this, I'm not saying it's stupid, it's just that I generally have time to lazily brake, clutch in, blip, and shift, then clutch out without having to twist my heel over to the accelerator. If someone slams on brakes in front of you, go right ahead, but usually you're not gonna need it.

>>16498711
>approaching lights
downshift to third if I'm around 40, downshift to second when I'm around 25, clutch in and coast from 20 mph down til I use my brakes, put car in first when I stop
>if the lights turn green
It's already in second, clutch out and go
>if it's too close to call and I need to stop
fucking left foot braking bro

all downshifts are rev-matched. Mainly because I like the sound.

>>16498711
>rpm
just watch your speed.

>>16498711
>double clutch
confirmed for being a 17 yo faggot. that's not how you drive stick

>>16500821
Lol, aren't you just turning the other drive wheel, not the engine, because of the diff? You stupid or what?

>>16502811
What? Unless you double declutch, the sychros are working for each gear change.

>>16504585
citation needed

>>16502811
>clutch in
>shift to desired gear
>raise revs
>clutch out

Is this the correct way to rev match? For example say you're going from 4th > 3rd > 2nd in a straight line

>In 4th
>clutch in
>select 3rd
>raise RPMs
>release clutch
>clutch in
>select 2nd
>raise RPMs
>release clutch

Alternatively one can double clutch however if you were to just do it normally is the above way how one would?

>>16499112
>coast in neutral or witth engine off
Not in full control of the vehicle. You're gonna have a bad time.

>>16498711
Fuck that!

If I were slowing down to a stop the car would be in second gear to soon stop the car.

If the light turns green then I just press the accelerator and shift to third or fourth as needed.

Heal toe my fucking dick. Fuck clutch and shift cable wear. That's worse than driving like a woman and riding the clutch.

>>16498711

>Clutch in
>Blip throttle while releasing clutch
>Smooth downshift and don't even feel any lurching.

You need to master the clutch catch point and how far you need to get your RPMS for the lower gear.

>>16498711
with my feet like a real driver.

>>16498711
If I need engine braking, I'll downshift to a suitable low gear and stab the clutch as soon as RPMs reach idle. Otherwise leave in whatever cruising gear (4th, 5th) slow down normally and stab the clutch when RPMs reach idle.

>>16498711
>>16507990
>Let's say you're approaching a set of lights which go green just before you arrive at them
Plus I'm autistic so I didn't read the question.
If the light changes green as I approach, just throw it in a suitable gear and accelerate BUT if I for some reason need to rip it out of the hole and I need first gear but I'm rolling at 20, only then rev-match it into first and proceed to punch it.

How bad is it, if at all, to upshift without using the clutch on newer cars?

Autofag here. I can operate a manual but for some reason my legs shaking like crazy after just a bit. Am I just out of practice or should I just stick with autotragics?

>>16500638
hey you can just fuck right off.

>>16509622
You should go to the gym and work on your legs if you can't handle clutching in/out.

Jesus Christ.

>>16509206
Which would you rather replace, synchro rings or a clutch?

I shift into neutral and coast until I need to brake because i'm not fucking autistic

>>16507336
I don´t have to care about burgerland laws, I drive 100mph+ on the highway as well...

I downshift without the clutch.

>>16510347
That kills the synchros.

These threads used to make me laugh. Then alarmed me at how many underage /o/ has. Now they just piss me off. And it's even more angering when stupid 13 who has never driven argues with you about how to do it and describes it as a sophisticated dance of skill and intellect.

Monkeys can drive manuals.

>>16509622
Sometimes when I'm driving and it gets particularly HEKTIK my right leg will kinda start shaking a bit while the adrenaline works its way out of my body, but I don't think that's the same thing.

>>16504288
maybe it doesn't matter, but it still wears them less.

you can't ignore fucking facts moron

>>16510365
>Monkeys can drive manuals.

This. Half the people in this thread have likely never driven manuals because literally nobody routinely double-clutches to block shift. It's completely unnecessary.

>>16510403

I bet you hold the button in when you pull your handbrake up too.

>>16510412
>It's completely unnecessary.

More or less, yeah. If you want to do it it's just going to wear the clutch out slightly faster.

Euros keep telling me to do this, though, made me second-guess myself for a while but I decided they're retarded.

>>16510422

Synchros should the lifetime of the car, because the stresses the synchros themselves are under are incredibly small provided you're doing dumb shit like shifting into low gears at high speeds without slowing down first.

Do all of you seriously have transmissions lacking synchros or is this whole board retarded?

>>16510437
Yeah, that's about what I was thinking. Never even heard of someone having to replace synchros alone.

So what we have is a whole bunch of people doing extra work they don't need to for unexplainable reasons, I'm meant to believe. Neat.

I want to blame old euros handing 'knowledge' from the 40s-60s down to previous generations but there has to be some other culprit for other areas. Maybe it really is just teenagers talking bullshit. Shit, maybe everyone in here's just a classic car nut.

Can someone give me a good read about shifting techniques? I just started driving like 1 month ago and changing shift using the ordinary way is slow as fuck.

>>16510438
Its full of americans, what do you expect

>>16507128
>>16507954
I'd like clarification on this too. Often on videos with Fatt Marah and Clarkson you can hear two rpm blips when they downshift, the second one associated with a visible shimmy. Does that mean they blip the throttle too early?

>>16510588

It's called practice. The more you practice, the better you will get, and the better you are, the faster you'll be able to do it.

>>16510649

More than likely they haven't let off the throttle completely before letting the clutch out.

Holy fuck, you guys get overly autistic about manuels.

>approach lights
>start braking, press clutch if RPMs drop too low
>pull it into neutral, while clutch still pressed
>if it turns green, shift to whatever gear that matches my speed
>if it doesn't, just stop and release clutch

All this bullshit about double clutching and rev matching makes me not want to learn manual. Just fuck this bs, I am getting an auto.

>>16510694
>depressing clutch to shift into neutral
>keeping clutch depressed while standing/rolling to lights even though you're in neutral

>>16498711
I simply fucking downshift, just like I upshift

When will you faggots stop with these threads

>>16498711

Well you see, it's a 7AT with automatic revmatching so I simply push down on the gear select

Bam. Done.

Manuals are for children, race car drivers, poor europeans, and children that are poor europeans pretending to be race car drivers

>>16510708
You can shift without any issues even if you don't do those things. And then you can start learning them when you get bored with granny shifting. It's a win-win really.

>>16498711
silly op all of /o/ are bench racer automatic fags

>>16510779
I think the problem comes in most with front engine, rear drive cars, where compression braking can make it as though the E-brake is applied.

>>16498711
>lights which go green
let off the brake and do a standard downshift and accelerate

Almost always heel toe. Just because it's funny to do, and your clutch always appreciate it

>>16510820
Yeah the wheels can lock up for a moment, but as far as I know that requires you to down shift really aggresively and into really high rpms

OP here

So apparently even asking this question is autistic. OK.

I'm a Britfag so learned on a manual and only driven manual since. My technique has been fine in my experience but it doesn't feel like what everyone else does.

I don't want to go downshifting through each gear because that's loads of work and will wear the clutch out unless I rev match perfectly every time.

So I want to block shift, going from 5th straight into 2nd. I always heard synchros are designed to help you change easily between sequential gears. Sure, they'll cope with block shifting but will it wear them out faster? Maybe it's so minor it doesn't matter.

Hence why I block shift by double clutching.

>>16500821
>Do you have any fucking idea how little force your gears and your engine have against the full weight of another vehicle ramming into you?

About as much effect they have when I use engine braking, which is 'not a lot'.
However, that has NOTHING AT ALL to do with the post you replied to. Did you reply to the wrong one?

Unless you're being a yob, you should be matching your gears to your speed. Rev-matching and heel-toe are purely memes, especially if you live in a place like America.

>>16511825
>>16511825

This.

The only time you need to heel-and-toe is coming into a 2nd or 3rd gear corner while right at the top of 4th or 5th. You shouldn't be soong that shit on the road.

If you are driving your car sensibly there is no need to rev-match or double de-clutch, it will have hardly any effect on clutch life on day to day driving. If you double de-clutch on upshifts you are a fucking

The exception being if your car is very old and doesn't have synchros.

>>16511825
I just drop gears once I'm out of my powerband, so around 2.5k and below.
Clutch in, downshift, slow clutch out and it's good.

Sometimes if I want to have fun I'll brake until I get to 2.5k and clutch in, off the brake, downshift, rev match, and clutch out. Sounds great and I smile every time.

OP here.

OK I have to agree I am a flamboyant faggot.

>>16509206
It's not bad. Once the shafts match sped the synchros slip right in, BUT there is a greater chance they could fail to engage and the resultant grinding could be detrimental. If you know what you're doing with the clutchless shift, then that shouldn't happen. I mean, if it engages and works fine, then there's virtually zero wear on the synchros

>clutch in
>shift and tap the throttle
>clutch out until it bites, then all the way
Keep it simple, stupid

>>16504335
I don't even do this on a hill start. I just trust my clutch foot and gas foot to be quick and precise.

>brake
>clutch in
>move to lower gear
>release clutch carefully
>clutch in
>move to lower gear
>release clutch carefully
>repeat until in 3rd
>stay in 3rd until it almost stalls
>clutch in
>shift to neutral
>release clutch
>turn off car unless it's not at operating temperature yet or I'm one of the first 3 cars at the red light
You're autistic if you're double clutching or heel-toeing on the road.

GRANNY SHIFTING, NOT DOUBLE-CLUTCHING LIKE YOU SHOULD

>>16512669
Usually it depends on what the fuck in front of me does.

Nothing worse than getting ready to go again and then being cucked because the shithead in front of you decided to play on his phone instead of watch for the light to change.

>>16512761
Pfft you're damn right
>RVVVVVV
>go
>pls go
>GOOOOOO

>>16498711
Uhh i dont. Approach light at what gear im in, if it turns green, i shift directly to lower that I know is the appropriate gear for my speed. No need to down shift anything.

>>16500023
>going from 5th to 2nd
>on a dirtbike when you were four

Yeah nah, you clearly know what you're on about.

I double clutch and heel-toe every chance I get. Not because I think it's necessary or better, but because it's fun and something to practice. Also I don't like the notchy feeling of my slightly worn synchros, especially compared to the buttery smooth feeling when the gear just slips in when I get a double clutch shift just right.

>>16499924
no it's just retards lol

>>16510615
this

can't believe the shit i'm reading rofl

>double clutching

literally nobody does this not even in race cars with straight cuts

>>16504335
>OBSESSION!