President Trump wants to fight with the German Auto Industry...but

>>16498102
>but for overall fit and finish, luxury and features, is America even close to European standards?
no. Opel is the laughing stock of european cars and their better cars aren't even based on Buicks.

>>16498121

I'm not surprised, even the Japs seem to have fallen off while the Germans have innovated.

What really bothers me is how we can have Silicon Valley and all those tech companies, and yet have stuff like Cue while the Germans, who seem to have infotainment systems from the next decade comparatively. There's things we should be superior at, but it seems like the only thing left we have to differentiate ourselves in the auto market is displacement.

>>16498102
Who is the biggest exporter of cars from the USA?

>>16498102
at this point in time america isn't even close to korea

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This doesn't look 'Murican to me.

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>>16498190
Don't worry the Mexico tariffs will solve everyth, oh bugger.

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Well we'll definitely stop companies outsourcing to cheep Chinese labor. Fuck fuck fuck.

>>16498137
>the Japs seem to have fallen off while the Germans have innovated
Confirmed wrong opinion. Try again next time

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>>16498102

Who voted for this fucker. Last week it was Toyota!

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>>16498224
>Well we'll definitely stop companies outsourcing to cheep Chinese labor.
Even parts assemblies made in Japan are actually made using chinese parts. Too many companies game the system. Thus, you have a device labeled "Made in USA" but it is made from 100% chinese-quality parts.

Picture shows an item sold by Discount Tire Company claimed to be made in Japan and that was its label. But the japanese seller was actually reselling an item essentially made of parts from China.

>>16498235
>Who voted for this fucker.
Putin.

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>>16498102
>is America even close to European standards?
The world is a lot more than just those brands. Are Americans afraid to compete even if German car brands have better interior finish? Are you MAGA or mice? Choose one.


>>16498235
>Who voted for this fucker.
It's not a matter of who voted for who. Trump was a democrat until Bill Clinton took office and steered manufacturing and construction out of America thru both China and NAFTA. Ironically, a lot of factories in Mexico are chinese-built or even chinese partnered. After the clintons hurt trump as even construction received more non-usa competitors to trump's construction businesses, trump switched to independent and then to republican.

BMW, Lexus and Mercedes consistently out sell Cadillac and Lincoln in the US despite domestic brands being considerably cheaper.

Nobody wants them. If it weren't for trucks the US auto industry would be dead.

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>>16500129
>Trump was a democrat until Bill Clinton took office
Donald Trump was a registered Democrat between 2001 and 2009 (the Bush years) and a close friend of the Clintons. (sad)

>>16498323
nice meme kek

>>16498102
What american innovations for automobiles came out at CES this january? CES items should be either mostly sensors or items for the interior. Either way, those affect the fit and finish of the car.

>>16498271
That's not really a problem, most issues with stuff made in china is very poor quality control

Mustangs are pretty popular in Europe. I am pretty that there is a market for the camaro, the challenger and the charger. The most popular model is the one with the V8.
Why would you buy a BMW after listening to the sound of a fairly affordable american v8.

>>16498139
Probably China.

>>16498102
American cars are not even anywhere close to the Japanese let alone the Germans...

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>>16500572

Reminder that the highest rated car of all time is American.

>>16500587
That's not a car, that's a computer with wheels

>>16500660

It doesn't matter what it's called.

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>No exterior design whatsoever
>Interior design consists of a tablet glued to the dash
>Shit reliability much worse than even non-premium cars:
http://www.reliabilityindex.com/manufacturer
>Americans pay premium for this shit

Trump doesn't need a tax, he'll make Americans realize they're being fooled.

>>16500660
literally every car is a computer with wheels
without computers cars wouldnt go anywhere

>>16500760
Don't forget
>BMW/Merc money for a literal VW

Audi is literally the worst brand

>>16500768
But the new R8 is way cheaper than a Huracan and its pretty much the same car.

>>16500800
Longer wheelbase makes it less nimble
Understeers like hel thanks to Audi tuning compared to the Huracan
Much slower round a track

>>16500766

Let me tell you about points ignition and generators.

With a bucket of beer and a pack of camels sold to minors for two nickles and a dime.

>>16500806
Its slower sure, not much though. Its a bargain compared to the Huracan.

>why are affordable cars cheaper than cars twice it's price

>>16498142
America hasn't been close to Korea since Pangea

>>16498121
Opel makes basic bitch econocar no different to a chevy spark or whatever

The US has an opportunity to lead on electric cars, that's basically a total reconfiguration of the car industry.

Otherwise, no, I don't understand why we're not even competitive with the Germans. We always hear about high wages and costs problems, but hasn't the Euro been worth more all this time? How do they get away with it?

>>16498139
probably Canada but our market is pretty small
>>16498142
nope, I'd rather be seen in a Kia than a Chev
>>16498137
japs have always waited to see what Germany does then make it cheaper and more reliable

>>16498139
BMW.

Is Cadillac good yet?

Because ive been waiting on them to build a good car since 1975

>>16500587
reddit polls dont count

>>16504240
>Reddit

>>16500225
That's because hill allowed him to have a bunch of tax breaks and after 30 years of being in office suddenly NOW she wants to change that. I'd support hill if it meant not having to pay tax

>>16504154
They've been good for years but for whatever reason they can't market their cars to anyone but Boomers, except the the Escalade that only sells to swagfags.

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>>16498102
>is America even close to European standards?
Shouldn't you ask why aren't the Europeans closer to American standards? At least for cars to be sold in America anyways.

>>16506317
Not just boomers, but Gen-X'ers also buy Cadillac.

>>16504154
>Is Cadillac good yet?
They've had quite a few good years since 1975. Of course, your taste is different from the reviewers. And there are those vocal haters (trolls) on /o/ who constantly say that anyone that doesn't agree with them are redditors.

>>16500129
>Ironically, a lot of factories in Mexico are chinese-built or even chinese partnered.

What are you talking about? Mexicans hate buying Chinese made things because they're seen as competitors in the contract manufacturing. Mexico managed to build up a small but growing domestic smartphone industry just buy catering to Mexicans who don't want to buy things made by Chinos. Chinese tried selling cars in Mexico andeven tried to build a factory but ended up leaving the market because Mexicans didn't want to buy Chinese cars even though they were cheaper than the competition.

>>16504154
Yes. Completely yes.

The ATS, CTS, and CT6 are very good.

They drive better than the German cars, but have not as nice interiors. The Caddies are cheaper though...

>>16500572
American and Jap can both shit on German cars easily?

>>16500511
Mustangs sell well there because their exotic and cost extra. People that can afford new luxury want something foreign and expensive, not locally made and cheap.

>>16506332
>not trusting in the protection of Micra Sports Club guerillas

>>16500806
>only thing that matters is track time

Kys

>>16500928
You're wrong, the Chevy Spark is far worse. Opel Insignia is based on the Buick Regal and is supposed to be their top model and it's on the same level as a renault twingo.

Pic related is the latest TÜV ranking for 2-3 year old cars. And this isn't based on (((consumer reports))), it's based on how often cars fail inspection after a certain mileage.

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>>16510851
forgot pic

>>16510853
and I didn't mark the Opel Adam and Mokka at #8 because I didn't even expect an Opel that high.

>>16510853
I don't see any Audis on the right?

>>16510861
That's because Audis are reliable. Did you fall for the /o/ meme?

>>16510810
>track time was the only thing you got out of that post
Kys faggot

>>16498102
It could be done if they stopped cutting corners with shit but even if you cunts managed to bring them up to standard you'd still have snobs turning their noses at "domestic" brands.

>>16498139
China for sure. Brands like Buick are status symbols for the new middle class there. Tho us car comapanies in general are having a hard time there since China will copy cars make their own under a different name.

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>>16498102
>how can we possibly compete with cars that light up their hazards when you turn on the radio in a light rain after 30k miles?

I think we're gonna be OK.

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>>16504154

god-tier handling and brakes. V engines dont stop pulling...

>>16514188
>posting a stupid meme to dodge the fact that America has nothing that competes with high end German cars
Typical Burger.

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>>16500766
explain this compucuck

>>16514441
>posting a non-argument to dodge the fact that German electronics a shit since forever and result in high maintenance

typical Eurocuck

>>16513023
>>16500541
>>16503465
Don't understand what "exporter" means.

>>16504132
Correct.

>>16514865
>implying not everyone and their mother uses Bosch electronics.

>>16498102
>Germany gets all those amazing companies
>America has Ford, Chevy, and Caddillac

Wow feel free to end my life any time.

>>16498102
>2017
>opel in usa