That's it folks, they're done. https://mobile.nyt

DIESEL
FUCKING
FIAT

>>16476032
I was wondering why their stock was plunging today

>>16476047
no that's probably because of their trash cars.

>>16476032
California Air Resources Board
>CARB

more like Cancerous Approval & Rampant Bribery

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>this literally a day after Volkswagen pleaded guilty, got charged 4.3 BILLION, had SIX warrants issued on them, and one guy already arrested.
Aren't they already almost engulfed in debt?
Rest in piss fiat

>>16476032
Lmao!!! Good bye Chrysler. They've taken serious hits before but they just shit the bed.

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>>16476032
That's how it should be done. If a student gets caught cheating on a test or using crib notes hidden on the backside of his calculator, then he should be flunked out of the class and a notice placed in his permanent student transcript citing him for fraudulent work. If he denied it, then another notice should be put in there for lying when confronted with evidence. Since high school is mandatory, he should be suspended for one term. If it is a college, then he should be expelled.

There is no room for cheating. When people tolerate cheating, then more cheating will occur and probably in many other areas as well.

>>16476044
Yes dear, fiat. That's the company this thread is about...

>>16476032
Fuckin emissions bullshit. They're more concerned with emissions instead of making cars more efficient which would use less gas and thus make less exhaust

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>>16476032
>That's it folks, they're done.

NO, they are not. The sentence has NOT been passed and Obama's EPA only has a few more days of existence before Emperor Trump takes over.

Remember, Trump has appointed the arch enemy of the EPA to become its next head adminstrator. That administrator can order the EPA to table the issue. Naturally, complaints will occur to the EPA head's boss who is the President. heh heh heh Trump will use his famous line "You're Fired!" to that whistleblower and that will be the end of complaints.

With Emperor Trump, the Spice Must Flow.

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PEPPERONI IN FLAMES

NO RECOVERY POSSIBLE

TONY BTFO

>>16476184
>Rest in piss fiat

FIAT can survive 8 more days.

Neither Obama nor Hillary is president then. Trumpchi's appointment to the EPA will be confirmed by the Republican legislative branch on a priority basis so that he can replace Obama's man heading it. That new EPA head would then order a stay of execution or whatever it is called to stop the EPA from killing off Fiat Chrysler Automotive.

FCA only has to survive 8 more days. It really is lucky for FCA that Trumpchi is the next president.

>>16476468
3rd party odometer

What does this mean? A third party did your odometer and said a greater number so what happens?

>>16476468
How did state Farm get your odometer info from a third party?

>>16476524
cheap oil changes are information mines

>>16476535
>not doing your own oil

>>16476032
EPA Accuses Fiat Chrysler Of Using Software To Thwart Laws
www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/01/12/epa-fiat-chrysler-used-software-to-cheat-on-emissions-tests/

FCA quickly loses 2.3 Billion of Stock Value
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/fiat-diesel-emissions-scandal-accusation-a7524296.html

I like how FCA basically said that it was going to ignore Obama's EPA and appeal to Trump's EPA. In a quote, FCA said the following:

“FCA U.S. intends to work with the incoming administration to present its case and resolve this matter fairly and equitably and to assure the EPA and FCA U.S. customers that the company’s diesel-powered vehicles meet all applicable regulatory requirements,” the company said in a statement.

Drill. Baby, Drill.

Dump life savings into Fiat now!

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Diesel is RIP.

DOWN WITH DIESEL!

RollCoalfags btfo.

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>>16476032
about fucking time, maybe they can auction their assets to someone who can design reliable vehicles

>>16476503
>mired in debt, plagued by crappy designs and an extremely gay heir
>then this
>w-well they'll suck Trumps cock and it'll be okay!
>as if Emperor Trump has ever turned down a revenue stream
top kek

>>16476524
>How did state Farm get your odometer info from a third party?
Third party can be anyone that provides info to any of 36 different automotive database services. Those services buy or trade data with the government, emissions, dealers, service centers, tire shops, body repair facilities, and basically any place that regularly records odometer and other car condition data.

Another source of data are the wireless services installed into cars. Lexus, Mercedes, Kia, GM, BMW can obtain data. In the USA, the most famous is Onstar which sends back everything from GPS location, time of day, speed, any fault codes, hard braking, etc. Current usa data laws require you to voluntarily give permission to include your name with the data. However, insurance companies are allowed to obtain the data without your name or VIN attached to it. Having GPS info can probably identify you because that can be converted into an approximate street address and the insurance company surely has the street address of all policy holders.

They're claiming that FCA didn't declare normal operation of their emission control system as "auxiliary devices", they didn't even find excessive emissions in real world tests, last rants of people who know they will be fired in 8 days.

>>16476605
>“FCA U.S. intends to work with the incoming administration to present its case and resolve this matter fairly and equitably and to assure the EPA and FCA U.S. customers that the company’s diesel-powered vehicles meet all applicable regulatory requirements,” the company said in a statement.

President Trump will save Fiat Coalrolling Automotive.

Of the people
By the people
For the people
That coal rolling shall not perish from this Earth.

>>16476662

You're a fool if you think Trump will ignore the issue. Grabbing FCA by the balls like this will be a massive win. He can basically strong arm them into shifting foreign development inside of our borders.

More than that, FCA has some of the largest, longest running factories in America. The death of the company would mean the chopping block for billions of dollars in revenue and the unemployment of tens of thousands of Americans.

The God Emperor has most likely already had a conversation with Sergio about the entire deal. FCA will live on. They may only do so by being a government cocksleeve, but they won't die.

Dodge is a fucking insitution. It isn't going anywhere.

>>16476184
>this literally a day after Volkswagen pleaded guilty, got charged 4.3 BILLION, had SIX warrants issued on them, and one guy already arrested.

Volkswagon Auto Group had more than that 4.3B from the USA. Other countries have also fined or withheld equity from VAG so the total effective "fines" have totaled about 20 billion dollars. That's a fucking lot of money to get caught cheating. So whoever had the bright idea of boosting short term profits to make their career look good on the sales books has gotten shot down unless they already retired with their bonus checks and rewards set in stone.

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F

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>the small town of Italy

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>>16476032
>That's it folks, they're done.

Audi and Nvidia are working together on their version of the self-driving electric cars. Audi of course got caught cheating. Nividia has a history of cheating benchmarks by having its boards recognize if they are being benchmarked or not. When benchmarked, the hardware and software both switch to code that benefits having better benchmark data.

Will the audi/nvidia car do any cheating?

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/941040/caught-nvidia-cheating-in-visual-fidelity-again-/

http://archive.arstechnica.com/archive/news/1053741723.html


China's Baidu is trying to team up with Nvidia to develop an open standard for self-driving cars. Well, we all know it is just their ploy to get legal copies of Nvidia's self-driving car secrets without paying. And this will reduce the amount they need to steal.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/04/nvidia-and-audi-aim-to-bring-a-self-driving-ai-car-to-market-by-2020/

>>16476813
Where the fuck did mjet even go? Did this image just btfo him so hard that he killed himself? I wanna see him desperately try and defend FCA for this

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>>16476912
Most likely scenario is that his punto broke down somewhere around the refugee slums, and subsequently never seen of again.
Some say his spirit still haunt these very threads.

>>16476912
They're probably all looking forward to January 20th's official Inauguration. For those fans of coal rollers, one of the seven members of Trump's Presidential Inauguration Committee is Joe Craft who is a coal businessman.... So, literally, coal is in the works!

DisruptJ20.org is planning ways to disrupt the inauguration. Watch FCA send engine shutdown signals to the protesters' cars so they don't get there on time to disrupt anything that might harm their chances at having the EPA shut down.

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>>16476032
Watch the article at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_100_days_of_Donald_Trump's_presidency

You'll probably see an entry like "Pardoned FCA for EPA Violations" after FCA said it was impossible for their cars to contribute towards global warming. Actually, Trump pardoned FCA because Sergio bent down and kissed Ivanka's shoe in a show of piety towards god emperor Trump.

Pls no, dodge cannot kill

>>16476032
>inb4 everyone's cheating
Would make the EPA look like a bunch of retards that set impossible standards

>>16477285
They're obviously not impossible since every car company (except the cheaters) are doing it easily

>>16476032
Is it worth visiting an FCA dealership today and pretend to be a customer?

>>16477292
Every car company is gaming the system with tarbo I4s tweaked to get good results on government tests. None of them do nearly as well real-world.

>>16477307
Yeah, who knows, maybe you'll be able to get a 124 for $20K under invoice.

>>16477312
>they're gaming the system with low displacements and turbos
Are you attempting to say its cheating by doing this or some shit?

GMC doesn't seem to have an issue or Ford

>none of them nearly do as well IRL
you base this on literally nothing. Toyota corollas still kicking from 10 fucking years ago their reliability is still their key quality. Same with Honda

>>16477307
Probably worth doing if it unfolds poorly for FCA. If they get slammed for cheating their shit is gonna get pushed in so hard they'll have to liquidate hardcore. Cheap camaros here we come

>>16477037

Dodge is a shitty manufacturer. They've never made a good transmission. They're just the cheap car company for poorfags.

When they die I'll celebrate

>>16477346
>cheap camaros
fuck I wish chevy was going under

>>16476468
>>16476503
why would you even want fiat to survive

>>16477327
>GMC doesn't seem to have an issue or Ford
They don't have issues as long as they're not caught

>>16477371
>they must be cheating
prove it

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>>16477317
lel that still wouldn't be worth it
reviewer got a CEL on one of those at 500 miles on the clock

>>16477377
Yes anon, I'm the EPA, let me just launch an investigation

>>16476477
Where is that pic from?

>>16477327
Gm and ford are much bigger than vw or fiat
They pretty much own every regulating body in the auto industry

>>16476450
Difference is a government mandate doesn't have to align with physics or reality.
Stop putting government and regulation on a pedestal. No one voted for the EPA regulations.
No one supports the EPA regulations. If you think business is corrupt wait until you start looking into government.

The war on private transit emissions is nothing but a war on private transit disguised as a green movement.
All cars in the entire west have insignificant weight in the big picture.

I feel bad for Tony, guys.

What is he going to fix once Fiat goes bankrupt and disappears?

>>16476477
Nah, Tony just quit. Even he knew the brand was shit.

>>16476450
Fuck off, Statist

>>16476468
>>16476464
>>16476716
>hand-rubbing merchant

>>16477350
>Dodge is a shitty manufacturer. They've never made a good transmission. They're just the cheap car company for poorfags.
>When they die I'll celebrate
You really like that template fill-in-the-blank-name unjustified attack style. It can be reposted thread to thread forum to forum all over the internet. Just change some nouns or gerunds and repost.

The USA is a shitty country. They've never made good citizens. They're just a country of poorfags.
When they die I'll celebrate.

>>16478362

I don't entirely disagree, but if you don't have someone like the EPA staying on top of these companies, they get stagnant and just produce the same shit over and over again.

I do agree that the EPA has some retarded standards and has a bad habit of moving the goal post when anyone gets half way there, but they are necessary I feel.

>>16478362

Holy fuck, I'm in agreement with a tripfag...with brosifine no less.

G-g-guys? S-should I neck meself?

>>16476032
We know, JEEP and Dodge both used software designed to disable emissions control when not on the test cycle. Sound familiar? Not according to the EPA who are saying unlike the identical system from VW the american made cars don't have a defeat device.

>>16476457
The system wasn't on any Fiat cars.

>>16481149
>The USA is a shitty country. They've never made good citizens. They're just a country of poorfags.
>When they die I'll celebrate.

What makes that unjustified?

>>16476032
Not really. Have you read the public response on their website? They keep mentioning how happy they are to work with "the new administration." They know Trump's administration and EPA will go easy on them because muh jobs and muh freedom. The same thing happened with Harley-Davidson, and no one cared because it's AMERICAN FREEDOM. The same thing will happen with Chrysler. The only reason Volkswagen got so much shit was because they're German. Sure, FIAT is Italian, but everyone still sees Chrysler as American.

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>>16478313
>Gm and ford are much bigger than vw or fiat
Wrong

VW has a 75 billion dollar market cap.
Ford is 50b. GM 56b.
VW is 50% larger than Ford.

>>16476032
mjet on suicide watch

As much as I dislike cheating companies, I hate the fact that companies are being chased for retarded emission controls that are barely usable irl because we get either:
>low consumption not so nice emissions
or
>high consumption low emissions

>>16481155
Probably for the best, if you could take him with you that would be great.

>>16481324
But VW are European and Ford American, as I have said before this isn't about emissions because Ford cars are putting out much more than VAG ones, it is about the continuing economic cold war between the EU and US normally fraught with EU banks and US tech firms as the pawns.

>>16477292
Remind me again who is actually doing it?

Not Ford, or GM, or Merc, or BMW.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/19/many-car-brands-emit-more-pollution-than-volkswagen-report-finds

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>>16481568
Mazda is doing it.

https://youtu.be/e_0_auNzom4?t=2m17s

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>>16481600
Almost twice as bad as VW,

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>>16481626
End yourself VW cocksucker

>>16476032
Everyone does it, because the regulations are beyond retarded.

>>16481634
What has that got to do with emissions fanboi?

>>16481634
http://gaywheels.com/category/mazda-reviews/

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>>16481626
>>16481644

Do you expect anyone to believe VW diesel engines after how they cheated?

Meanwhile Mazda without diesel engines (they are coming in 2017) and without cheating did an outstanding result.

:^)

>>16481639
>everyone dies it
Citation needed

>>16481791
It's called damage control

Try to make the rest look as bad as you.

>>16481791
Fiat and VW are the leaders on modern diesel engineering. If they do it, everyone does it. It's common sense.

>>16481568
>more pollution
No on the emissions spec this is erroneous, they could be considering mere co2 as a pollutant but purposely ignores that vw cars failed their nitrogeb monoxide spec while other makers didnt

>>16481807
>they do it because it's common sense
Thats not a citation faggot

>>16481814
Wouldn't you think the two biggest diesel makers in the business wouldn't know better than the rest?
Either way, Euro 6 and EPA norms are just impossible to comply with. Even with multiple injections per cycle, dpfs, etc.

And afaik, only V6 diesel engines were affected.

>>16481800
>make a claim
>source?
>lol nice damage control fag it's common sense

If it was so commonly known of it would be commonly documented and commonly referenced

>>16481824
No that's just a preposition. We know they "are the best" because they cheated their way to the top

It's more likely that the others don't appear as great because they didn't cheat they didn't fraud their success

Regardless of your mental gymnastics. Please provide source that ford's deisel engines and their emission for easy are fraudulent or any other deisel manufacturers specs are fraudulent

>>16481840
>No that's just a preposition. We know they "are the best" because they cheated their way to the top
They're the best because their engines are the most technologically advanced. Diesel tech isn't only about being eco-friendly.

>It's more likely that the others don't appear as great because they didn't cheat they didn't fraud their success
Or they just aren't as relevant market-wise to pop up like Fiat and VW groups.
It's also relevant mentioning that the other major players aren't even present on the american market (like PSA and Renault) and BMW and Mercedes hardly sell any diesels there.

>Please provide source that ford's deisel engines and their emission for easy are fraudulent or any other deisel manufacturers specs are fraudulent
Ford doesn't even make diesel engines on passenger vehicles. They use Fiat and PSA units.

>>16476130
Under rated as fuck

>>16478567
I've always loved Chrysler though, I hate seeing Tony drag them down with him.

shocking

amIrite /o/?

>>16481679
Look at those independent results, see where VW are almost twice the limit, now look at where Mazda is almost 4 times the limit.

>>16481791
Department for transport and environment see:
>>16481626
for the website with details of independent real world testing.

>>16481791
Given you can't quote proply is it any suprise you missed the previous citations?

>>16482035
>previous citations

None of them show every other brand cheating you dumb shit

>>16481861
Great, none of that means anything regarding proving that every other maker cheats their emissions tests

>>16482022
>Department for transport and environment see:
>>>16481626 #
No that's not a government website and that's for EU emission specs, not US

>>16482022
>EPA says they cheated
>references a graph that uses the EU emissions laws
>see this is proof that every other maker does it
>source is a tree hugger hippy website

>>16477003

>Watch FCA send engine shutdown signals to the protesters' cars so they don't get there on time to disrupt anything that might harm their chances at having the EPA shut down.

You don't know how happy I am to be in a world where this is a real possibility.

>>16481973
Part of the problem is that Chrysler uses so many chinese parts. As commented elsewhere, even though the parts are labeled as american sourced, they are actually chinese parts laundered into the process. Thus, chrysler's quality dropped down to chinese quality in the cases where some of the chinese parts were "lemon parts".

Whether or not that is deliberate long term strategy of china to weaken a competitor for takeover is another matter. Certainly having chrysler weaken and be bought out by a chinese company is a win-win for china because they are looking for ways to create a dealer chain cheaply. China is a ruthless place but its government is long-sighted and makes and performs long term plans to support chinese companies.

>>16482097
>1980+37
>Giving a fuck about the thirls world of america.

>>16482105
Thinks absolute figures change based on EU or septic laws go back to /pol/ your level of retard is at home there.

>>16482558
>Giving a fuck about the this world of america.
How many people actually dedicate themselves to only buying american? Precious few. People want to save money. They also want performance.

>>16476032
>That's it folks, they're done.
They're playing a waiting game as well as doing politics with Trump.

It would be bad for FCA to be sold to a chinese company. China's free trade policies requires majority ownership be chinese. But the USA has no such requirement. And then the chinese auto company would have all those dealership franchise locations that would sell both FCA and chinese cars. A win-win all for them because now they have a distro network and sales network and physical locations all over the USA without having to start from scratch the expensive way.

>>16476503
>>16476468
>wanting fca to survive this bad

you guys are bigger cucks than gm fangirls lmao

>>16482089
So much retardedness from one poster. How are you able to type with your two brain cells also needing to keep your heat pumping?

>>16482482
Crysler quality dropped because of chinese parts? Thats a good one. China makes much better parts than America.

>>16476032
Why does anyone care about emissions anyhow?

If Scania, DAF, Mercedes, Volvo, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Audi, VW, Fiat etc.. cant pass emissions - then the standards must be bullshit..

Also, you must be a real faggot to give a stuff anyhow

Bugger the quadrofolio was amazing

>all this Fiat defending
Put your trip back on, Punto faggot.

>>16476729
This plays well into Trump's hands too. I don't know how much latitude he has as president to forgive some, or all, of that fine, but this gives him tremendous leverage to compel VW to move production to the US. Build a 2 billion dollar factory in the US or pay a 4.3 billion dollar fine. Looks like we're getting some new car factories. MAGA.

>>16486188
Seems the best possible outcome. Really hope Trump doesn't make too much of an ass of himself so American production can be properly reinvigorated.

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>diesels are nasty and unclean
>fuckhuge gasoline engines in even bigger trucks that are barely used for their intended power and purpose are fine
hmmmm famous american logic

>>16482482
Pretty much any brand uses chinese parts in its vehicles, even high-end ones.

>Diesel isn't clean burning
>Diesel can't be cleaned up without fucking over performance or doubling the cost of R&D and making the engine thirty times as complex
>Non-japanese vehicles are by and large total garbage for efficiency and reliability

No surprise there.

>>16485784
Source?

>>16488336
His ass

>>16476032
Protip: Everyone cheats on emissions testing.

http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2017/01/diesel-emissions-cheating-regulation-and-the-crony-state.html

>>16488336
Spoon feed me mommy.

>>16488540
That's an invalid defense of cheating with the "others do it, so it should be legal for me to do it" attitude. That's clearly a personal lack of ethics to use such reasoning too.

>>16486595
That picture has a special aura of autism.

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God dammit I want one so bad...

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http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/fiat-124-spider-get-fixed-roof-coup%C3%A9-variant


If we get a hardtop coupe version of the 124 Im going to get one. Reliability be damned.

I'm new to getting into cars. Are Fiats shitty? and why? Just out of curiosity.

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>>16489854
Modern Fiats are far better than they used to be but by today's standards they are shit.

>>16490497
Is the Fiata that bad though? Isn't it just a Miata? Or is the motor really a pile of shit?

>>16490502
Fiat's 1.4T is actually really reliable, and it's paired with Mazda's transmission, electronics, running gear, etc.

>>16490508
So is it a bad choice then? I like the look of the ND Miata, but god damn is the 124 Spider fucking sexy looking.

>>16490502
Well the 124 is mostly just a rebodied miata with a turbo charged fiat engine. Supposedly the engine is decent so the 124 might be the only dodge/fiat vehicle worth buying.

>>16476032
Harley also cheated emissions, but MURICA MURICA MURICA LAND OF THE FREE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS

>>16485876
ausfag here why is it popular to hate on FCA?

ever since i was a little kid people hated dodge, fiat and Chrysler

Are their cars really that bad? I know the auto gearboxes are trash but thats true for most automatics and the infamous lemon jeep

>>16490535
The 1.4 Turbo Multiair engine is very well built, except for the crap diverter valve for which there are upgrades. On the pre-2014 500 Abarth, 200whp is easy with completely stock internals. 250 requires some upgrades, and 300 a few more.

But the 124 has a different ECU than even the '14+ 500 Abarth, with strong encryption and an insane number of maps (more than 5000 maps, apparently) so right now there are just some rather dodgy piggyback ECU kits that may or may not do anything tricking onto the market.

I'm sure that it'll be tempting to get a 124 when Fiat's ruinous depreciation hits, but there won't be nearly as much aftermarket as with a Miata or the 86.

>>16489253
Not really defending it, I'm just pointing out the truth.

>>16489253
>some politician creates environmental standards to be able to fine those who don't comply.
>OH NO somebody CHEATED my air IS SO DIRTY.
>shit on the people offering a product instead of those oppressing them

Oh im sorry, I guess people being killed by isis should've just complied. my b

>>16476716
If FCA goes down, it will be the chinese that buy it up for super cheap setup of new dealer locations for selling of chinese cars.

Just like so many other usa electronics parts factories, home appliance factories, clothing factories, and sub assembly factories went out of business due to china, if the chinese dealerships start to multiply, then you can expect the last three big usa car manufacturers will also go away. The big three can't shrink below a certain minimum size because they have a lot of infrastructure costs, pensions, and employee benefits to pay off.

So the actual point of bankruptcy for each of them is actually a low-hanging fruit for chinese companies. If they can pick FCA off, those FCA dealerships turned into chinese dealerships will weaken the next fruit on the tree GM. Then it can be picked and the GM dealerships converted to chinese dealerships. At that point, the economic cascade will force Ford to not be able to meet its infrastructure obligations. And poof, the chinese will take over just like for so many other manufacturing industries.

But maybe that is necessary. USA workers are coddled too much with salaries, pensions, benefits, and unions. They should be more like hard working chinese workers! Not defending china, just pointing out the truth.

>>16490502
The Fiata is built in Hiroshima, that's enough for me to trust it.

If it was built in Bumfuck, Michigan then avoid it like the plague. For now it's a good car senpai.

>>16476032
>That's it folks, they're done.
It would be in certain competitor's best interests to have FCA harmed as much as possible to where it goes out of business. But GM and Ford should want to remain quiet.

>>16490497
These charts are completely meaningless, you know. They're always all over the place every year.

>>16492876
FCA Will dump the toxic brands Chrysler, Dodge Ram and Jeep onto the Chinese and reamalgamate with Ferrari.

>>16476032
>That's it folks, they're done.
The EPA has to rush through sentencing of FCA before Trump's replacement for the Head of EPA takes control. But all the current employees know that everyone that does not deliberately BLOCK and DELAY or CANCEL the prosecution of FCA will be Fired in several weeks. The new leader of the EPA will look who was actively or passively participating.

So it will be hard for the EPA to even support an injunction on sales or to request the DOT for a recall. As if the DOT employees dare to do a recall knowing they will be Fired if they do so.

>>16499925
It's rather irritating to see FCA make so much public ballyhoo about waiting for Trump. That publicity is not just to quiet the stock market, but to let the EPA know they can't rush judgement through with the DOT or else their jobs could be terminated by Trump.

Trump might even want to punish FCA. But how can he when he put so much campaign pressure on jobs. It's like his first three tasks are 1. jobs 2. jobs 3.jobs And that is good for those who want to work in america. But it makes it hard to drive FCA into the ground with penalties as a poster child for not cheating.

What to do? Any predictions?

>>16476032
Obama quickly orders the EPA and DOT to rush through a priority measure to punish Fiat Chrysler before Trump takes office!!!

>>16476032
Leave it to the Italians to fuck overy Jeep.

Who do you think will buy it in the upcoming bankrupsy?

>>16501253
EPA will rule that it was not a defeating device, that it was just a paperwork fuckup. Nothing to see here, move along.

>>16502869
FCA lawyers would point out that the problem was only limited primarily to two car lines and then for only a certain number of years. That is enough to show that it was not an endemic problem (a big deal in determining penalty amounts).

>>16504597
Apart from the implicated vehicles what diesel cars do FCA sell in the USA? If yo look at >>16481626 Fiat have a big problem in the EU with the 500 diesel.

>>16476032
They do well cheating emissions if you ask me. Global Warning is a scam created by EU and company to gain lots of money by putting sanctions and fines.
They also want to turn the West in a communist shithole so all of us will use public transit so citizens would have 0 autonomy. They want to achieve it by making impossible to have a car for the Average Joe since we already pay a shiton of taxes for C02 bullshit even if you drive an urban shitbox. Also, does this affects Abarth too?

>>16491225
It's a pretty fancy engine. Multiair is not a meme.

>>16491225
>with strong encryption and an insane number of maps (more than 5000 maps, apparently)

They want to prevent 3rd party devices.

It's getting to the point where a car is a captive market for the OEM. At least they can't force what brand of gasoline or floor mat to use. But even 3rd party radio ends up mostly shut out because cars use their own encrypted LAN and will continue to head in this direction as sensor packages advance. Eventually, sensors won't be individual sensors but be sensor packages communicating with other sensors in order to obtain field directionality.

In my car, 3rd party head units are shut out because there is no room in the dash for any "box shape headunit". The control buttons on the console are merely the ends of long wires or control units that insert a signal onto the LAN to do something such as "raise volume" or "turn off/on radio". Without physical space for a head unit, the manufacturer has shut out 3rd party units from being installed anywhere but the trunk.

>>16504695
This is the result of inbreeding.

>>16504631
>Fiat have a big problem in the EU with the 500 diesel.
It looks like FIAT is going to have a political problem with the EU emissions law enforcement. There's no avoiding politics when it comes to international law violations.

>>16504695
>They do well cheating emissions if you ask me.
Some people don't mind cheating.

People justify cheating on college exams or homework. Why should they be penalized? That makes no sense to them to take a performance hit by getting a "F" when they feel they deserve "A".

>>16481324
75-50=25

They're 25% larger you fucking autist

>>16508257
How ironic you caught the VW fan with an error in his numbers!

>>16508807
I wish VW fanfags would learn

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Someone needs to do one of those ancap smiley face memes and write something like;

>when foreign diesel engines are too unclean to be sold but gas guzzling V8s are AOK as long as they're "light trucks"

>>16504695
I would agree with such a tinfoil statement because I know about the Jews, NWO, reptilians and whatnot, but you can't expect me to believe that thousands of scientists are lying to me. Also, the weather has changed, I feel it.

Watch this nice graph, it's pretty cool.

https://xkcd.com/1732/

>>16508257
Don't know if Troll or just Republican educated.

>>16509779
Ford is worth 50bn. VW is worth 75bn.

That's a 25% difference, fuck off

>>16506982
>There's no avoiding politics when it comes to international law violations

Just look at the German probe into fraud and bribary with Ford.

>>16509789
Try and troll better. People won't belive somthing that stupid.

>>16509809
>stupid

Stop trying to say my math is wrong without any proof fuck off

>>16509815
>Needing to prove that maths that idiotically wrong is anything other than trolling by someone who can barely scrape together enough brain cells to type.

>>16509809
Remember where you are, anon. A lot of people here are that dumb.

Shit, I baited some attentionwhoring persian into posting his tiny dick a few weeks ago.

So, if VW has 50% more cap than Ford, that means Ford has 50% less corruption potential than VW. But so far, Ford has avoided the EPA's checks for emissions cheating.

Ford will not be known for EcoCheat. Or if Ford gets caught, /o/ should be first out the gate to coin "EcoCheat" and trumpet it far and wide. Let's EcoCheat another LeMans victory!

>Global Warning is a scam
>They want to achieve it by making impossible to have a car for the Average Joe
>we already pay a shiton of taxes for C02 bullshit
Those are all extreme political points of view.
It's a shame so many people ignore science and politicize car buying just as they politicize science.

I drive a 2004 v8 without a catalytic converter. I understand companies trying to bypass emissions standards.