Is it impossible to have good visibility with modern safety regulations,

Camaros, especially year 2010+ are notorious for their shit visibility. I haven't seen or read anywhere that the Camaro is forced to have shit visibility due to a regulation. If anything the poor visibility makes it even more unsafe.

tl;dr they probably just don't care.

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What the hell is in this wide ass space?

>>16415412
It's called a window you idiot

>>16415423
I'm not talking about the window dumbass, I'm talking about that wide ass chunk of plastic between the window and the seat.

>>16415442
Have you never been inside a fucking car before? I mean this is ridiculous

>>16415442
Air bags and rollover protection

>>16415442
That's kind of what OP is asking. Are the huge swaths of plastic due to safety regulations or the designers not caring?
It could be there because the frame needs to be huge for holding airbags and rollover protection.
or it could just be that the designers were too lazy to make a car with good visibility.

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>>16415452
>>16415471
The panel is retardedly wide compared to other coupes.

>>16415481
Because clearly you and the rest of the dumbass teens on /o/ know more than the engineers who literally design cars for a living and have years if not decades of experience

Fuck out

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>>16415496
butthurt camaro owner detected

>>16415496
Well it's pretty clear that there was poor communication between the interior and exterior designers. Or the interior designer was like, you know what would look good? A two foot wide piece of plastic right here.

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>>16415330
Get on my level, you'll never know poor visibility until you drive one of these.

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>>16415496

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>>16415511
i drive one of these the rear visability is laughable even though it sits lower in the rear

>>16415330

Most cars have side and rear view cameras plus blind spot detection.

>>16415555
*most cars have that as an option

>>16415555
A massively inferior alternative to actually being able to see.

>>16415569
No most cars have it

>>16415372
>>16415412
>>16415442
>>16415481
""""Styling""""

BMW and Subaru's have good vis still

>>16415569

A $20k optima comes with it standard.

>>16415610

Most people don't shoulder check anyways.

>>16415611
Side and rear view cameras?
I find that hard to believe

>>16415649
They put it in without telling people. But it's in there.

>>16415649

Your phone has 2 cameras... Why is 3 in a car hard to believe?

>>16415666
I just find it hard to believe that those are stock

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>>16415690
I mean a standard 2017 Malibu doesn't even have a screen inside

>>16415496
You would be surprised by the shit flinging that goes on in engineering.

why dont care manufacturer use tubular frames, and keep thin, and strong pillars?

>>16415710

Cars are supposed to crumple up in even alight crash. They're not supposed to be strong.

>>16415696
>>16415666
And blind spot monitoring is still an add on on a Chrysler 300

>>16415696
real talk, that's a pretty snazzy interior for a shit box.

>>16415710
The body needs to crumple to absorb energy rather than be perfectly rigid.

Imagine jumping from several stories onto a bed vs hitting hard concrete.

>>16415696
>>16415725

You're paying for the V6 in those cars. Most cheap 4 bangers come with rear view cameras standard and side view cameras in the $500 tech package.

>>16415836
The malibu has a 4 cylinder

>>16415846

Well I guess you're paying for a fancy turbo engine then.

>>16415860
Anyways, I was just showing that
>Most cars have side and rear view cameras plus blind spot detection
Is not really true at all

>>16415330
I've driven late 90s/early 00s cars for my whole life so I'm dreading the moment my Camry dies for this reason. Drove a friend's 2015 Camry a week ago and couldn't see fucking shit, you actually have to tilt your head and shift it to see around the headrest. In my 99 you just swivel your head and see everything.

>>16415874

It is true tho. A poverty spec mid size wont have them but the middle of the range $30k model that most people get definitely will. Most Hyundai's and Kia's come with it standard.

>>16415903
The $30k Ford Fusion Titanium has blind spot monitoring as an option for $1,625

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>>16415330
>Is it impossible to have good visibility with modern safety regulations

But that is what they are doing. Within always evolving safety requirements, they try to provide you visibility. But as cars continue transitioning, rear visibility will become augmented by mandatory rear view cameras.

I suspect your real question should have been "Why are cars increasing both their rear and front heights so much that it obscures visibility?" The reason is that you no longer have just "cars" on the road but also SUV and trucks. Because of the taller SUV and trucks, cars were at a crash disadvantage. By raising the rear and front profiles of cars, they won't just slide under a SUV or truck so much. Another change to support the higher rears is to have the A and C pillars be more horizontal in order to increase crush resistance of the passenger cabin. Horizontal C-pillars result in narrower rear windows though.

Otherwise, the "solution" to this evolution is to mandate that all SUV and trucks also be no taller than regular cars. That isn't going to happen. So the only solution was to have cars evolve higher front and rears plus strengthen the horizontal crush resistance of the passenger cabin to support those changes.

>>16415769
False, the front and back crumples, if your cabin crumples your driving a price of shit

>>16415883
Get a 245 Volvo, best vision ever, almost 360 with only 1" pillars at the best

>>16415330
>do automakers simply not care?
They care. But do you care about all the regulations they must operate under? They also have phased-in safety requirements which change according to what the federal DOT sees as problems.

Post pics of a modern car with good visibility. I'm curious to see if one exists.

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>>16417867

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>>16417867
Opel Asta GT

>>16417867
>Post pics of a modern car with good visibility. I'm curious to see if one exists.
Police cars have good visibility.

>>16417867
Volvo C30

>>16418203

>massive windshield
>tiny side windows and massive A pillars

>>16418203
>yes let's look up at the sky that's where all the cars are at

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>>16418397
>massive windshield
Just what you want in sunny arizona in the summer! You'll get the greenhouse effect. Yeah, yeah, greenhouse effect doesn't exist because mankind cannot change how hot it gets.

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>>16417867
Miata

>>16415635
>most people are shit drivers, so we might as well make shit cars
I mean, the logic apparently works (as evidenced by a majority of the new cars currently for sale), but I sure as hell don't agree with it.

>>16418465
>tfw you need those rear window shutter thingies for your fucking windshield

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Best visibility :^)

>>16418689
louvres, my son

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>>16418915
I'm you, but stronger.

>>16415481
no, it's the designers caring.

>i-it looks bubble headed like a jetsons car make the windows smaller
>and we need somewhere to put the SUH ROWND SOUND speakers

You don't need that much pillar for side airbags or rigidity, believe it or not. You need half as much at the most.

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>>16418915

>>16415666
>>16415690
>>16415696
Aftermarket solutions that even enable birdseye 360 parking viewers are like, maybe $200 now but it's not standard on so many cars because they know the moment they make it a standard they can't bundle it into a higher trim to get people to pay a lot more extra.

>>16419447
>side airbags or rigidity

So drive a convertible. Then put a hard top on it like an SL 560. When the regulators complain, tell them to go ferk themselves.

>>16415635
>Gf bought a 2016 optima
>It doesn't have any of those things
You sir are a liar

>>16418915
I had one of these.

The visibility was excellent. Probably helped me avoid a lot of accidents.

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>>16418915

I think I got you beat with the wrap around rear glass. The side mirrors were tiny though.

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>>16418915
>>16419467
>>16420290
:^)

>>16420311
subaru sex

>>16415635

They come with the rear camera standard, the Blindspot is a tech package, and the Surround camera is standard on the SXL.

>>16420198

The 2017 base optima with a $1k package includes a rear view camera and side object detection.

>>16419447
>You don't need that much pillar
The presumption is that it adds more protection when someone T-bones your car. The amount of penetration should be less if there is more rigidity so that the car ends up being pushed sideways instead of the aggressor continuing to penetrate into the cabin.

>>16417867
H O N D A F I T
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>mfw there are people that rely purely on parking sensors rather than their own eyes
>mfw their parking sensors possibly stop working

>>16417771
>do you care about all the regulations they must operate under
Nope

>>16420342
>standard
>$1k package
pick one

>>16420740
newest or previous gen because my friend has a newer one and it's not that great

>>16418387
Crown vic owner, can confirm. It's nice.

>>16421029

>not making them throw it in for free...

stay woman.

>>16415330
Modern cars have to support their weight via the roof alone as a safety regulation nowadays

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>>16417867
I have no problems seeing anything on either of these. I would say good visibility on both

>>16421035
I have a 1st gen and it's great. The only visibility problems it has is when you've got someone in the center back seat

>>16421122
Well it does save people in rollovers. Dunno how common that is though.

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>>16421192
it happens more often than you would think anon.

This crazy basted drove it home after I flipped it back over

>>16415330
>Is it impossible to have good visibility
Apparently all the low slung cars have evolved to have big tall rear ends that block the view.
So you'll have to get a non-car such as a SUV or truck to have the visibility you used to have in a car.

drive toyotas, subarus and peugeots from late 90s-early 2000s, good visibility, can see heaps of whats going on.
drive 2013 mazda 3 and 2007 mazda cx9, cant see shit, small as hell windows, blind spots even when doing headchecks.

>>16415555
And the Camaro doesnt

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just GM my shit up

>>16415330
This is a quote directly from a regular car review.

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>>16415330
panoramic lenses and multiple cameras

>>16415330
They would rather you get side swiped pulling out into traffic and have your curtain airbags protect you, than see the car coming and avoid the crash.

It makes them more money.

>>16422355

Armored car, kek.

>>16415492
>tfw is that from my car
That back seat is absolutely useless, although visibility is awesome though

>>16415649
>>16415569
Backup camera are a mandatory feature on all cars as of 2013 or so.

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>>16422770
Nope, regular Yukon. GM are THAT awful at engineering.

>>16415330
>rollover protection
>impact airbags everywhere
>increasingly stringent impact protection
And /o/ wonders why cars are basically becoming bubblewrap

>>16422809
>caring about trunk space in a sports care

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>stuffing cars full of safety features that hinder visibility and therefore increases danger of actually getting into an accident

>>16422827
I'm caring about car makers doing the best they can, and not the least that'll pass.

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>>16422809
>>16422827
I know it's a bad comparison but the Camaro is shit, and GM could have made it better if they cared

>>16415697
Hey shut the fuck up and don't ruin the illusion!

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never have i been in a car with more visibility

>>16418465
>You'll get the greenhouse effect.
That's not what the greenhouse effect is

just slap some cameras, sensors and screens on it lmao

>>16415526
underrated

>>16415496
I am an engineer. Most of my peers went to college in the late 70s and 80s. They are outdated, and so are their ideas. See OP for source.

Just because someone has prestige or has more student debt than you do, it doesn't mean they are good at their job and aren't subject to ridicule. You fucking Camaro driving cuck

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I miss the boxes with great greenhouses

>>16422962

I couldn't walk by these gaping rust holes every day and not doing anything about it while watching them getting bigger and bigger.

>>16422926

We know they can because the Corvette has had a massive trunk for years. Sure you lose a lot of it if you take the top off, but that's a whole different issue entirely.

Subaru still has really good visibility so it has nothing to do with safety regulations - you can take your "damn that gub'ment" tinfoil hat off. I suspect that a lot of car makers do it to give their vehicles that "OMG AGGRESSIVE!" look. By reducing the size of the windows you get the impression that the car is lower and more squat ("sleek") than it really is.

Otherwise you get whiners complaining that your car "looks like a Camry". People praise the Camaro for being a high performing car - no one says "Oh yeah, it feels comfortable driving in here!"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdvJau4amyI

There's always an Avantime.

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>Durrr my visibility
Honestly fuck u bus riders.

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>>16423629
shave that shameful display friend

>>16415722
>>16415769
body yes, but not the roof.

>>16422962
Yeah, you can almost see the frame

>>16416095
>well thought out and informative answer gets ignored as the shitflinging continues
every time

>>16423629
I can't tell if you're trying to be a spic or a wigger.
Also, upgoat for living in a van. Does McDonalds know you're using the free wifi?

>>16418465
Nice sly anti-climate change agenda there. I hope your kids die in the worldwide fire-oceans.

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>>16423838
>I hope your kids die in the worldwide fire-oceans.

>>16423993
Lol. Whatever movie that is looks pretty awesome.

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>>16423613

>plebs make fun of everything that dances out of line

no wonder all car makers returned to sameface

>>16422962
That rust is gross

>>16420778
>parking sensors possibly stop working
that is why we have bull bars
>tree pushed over
>shed wall mangled
>gate post bent
>foot run over
car is fine

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>>16424016
>>16423993
>Episode 1 The Masters of the Shipping Routes
>Whatever movie that is looks pretty awesome.

The screenshots are from an anime TV series (not movie) featuring intelligent naval ships versus humans. There are also two movies that have even higher visual quality. You can download it at:

Arpeggio of Blue Steel TV series:
https://bakabt.me/torrent/178502/aoki-hagane-no-arpeggio-arpeggio-of-blue-steel-ars-nova-bd-1080p

There are two theatrically released movies which continue the story after the TV series ended. Movie #1 is "Gekijouban Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova DC" and movie #2 is "Gekijouban Aoki Hagane no Arpeggio: Ars Nova Cadenza". Blu-ray does work well for Arpgeggio because it isn't an upscaled anime.

>>16418203
>Crash
>littered in glass shards
ok
>repair costs

>>16423297
the other side is worse

a lift and arch chop is on the way
>>16423701
>>16424086

>>16415555
The vast majority of cars on the road have no such thing.

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>>16423348
>Subaru still has really good visibility
>do you know the reason why ?
http://www.boronextrication.com/2009/11/04/subaru-uhss-and-boron/

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>>16422335
hahaha no

>>16415330
>the car should not even Crack when rolling at 50 mph
>but the ability to see around your vehicle is optional
""""Safety"""" regulations

>>16424219

They do in North America... You guys are driving 0.7l manual diesels... Of course they're not going to come with those features.

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>>16422926
Yeah, GM should bring back the hatchback Camaro.

>>16422804
Wrong

>>16421058
>crown vic
>modern

>>16418387
police cars have awful visibility

>>16424276
Never knew those pillars were so elaborate inside.

>>16424956
that's where your mullet goes while you're driving, so you don't have to use it as an impromptu seat cushion.

>>16422847
Best is expensive

>>16424172
Hey thanks for the info man, good stuff.

>>16415526
>head to vegas for business trip
>me and buddy each rent a car and decide to trade off back and forth to try em out
>he rents Challenger R/T
>I rent 2016 Camaro SS
>mfw a car built on a 300 frame felt miles better to drive, looked several thousand miles better and you could actually see out of it
>mfw we fight over who gets to take the challenger when we go anywhere
Camaro fags are kidding themselves, seriously. :^)

My bb6 prelude has the same issue. I'm sure there's a reason for it.

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>>16415330
>he doesn't drive a glass house

I can see everything.

>>16423701
No frames on these, you moron

>>16421202
>well, it's a good chance to check the undercarriage and roof.

>>16422355
Well, besides the permanent phone in blondy's hand, this explains why they never seen to give a fuck about what they're merging into.

>>16421138
What the fuck is going on with that road? It's just concrete plates

>>16415696
Tbh this is better because I can install an Android auto head unit versus whatever bullshit they use.

>>16428976
>What the fuck is going on with that road? It's just concrete plates
You're spoiled by the expensive rebarred and anchored continuous pour concrete roads. Those cost many millions per mile and if the road is not going to bear the weight of frequent commercial truck traffic, then it doesn't need an expensive rebarred continuous pour road.

Concrete section roads use those cheaper sheets of gridlike wires looped or welded when they cross each other. I've seen them used instead of asphalt at some high traffic intersections in my suburb city. Asphalt buckles up and gets those ruts and potholes at traffic lights as braking cars cause the asphalt to move. So the approaching roadways get replaced by concrete to prevent these ruts and potholes from forming.

>>16424956
>GM should bring back the hatchback Camaro.
Since roll over protection requires a roof over the rear passengers, that glass part of the hatchback will either be super short length (bad) or the camaro will be a 2 seaters (bad). So it doesn't seem worth doing until Trump rolls back emissions and safety laws.

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>>16429762
ty4info

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my 08 civic si has the same problem. I installed some wide angle mirrors to help but I still have to move my head around to really make sure there isn't a motorcycle right behind the pillar.

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>>16432048
>I installed some wide angle mirrors to help
I wondered about trying that in my car, but a lot of functions are built into the center front mirror so it can't be replaced with some extra wide mirror. There is room for it to be wider without hitting the visors. But I haven't found any mirror solution custom enough to fit nicely onto the existing mirror to widen its field of view.

My poor work-around partial solution has been to either park far away or pick a part of the parking lot that doesn't have much "drive through" traffic. Clearly, some parking lot aisles have more traffic than others simply because they are nearest to entrance or exit points. I don't park in spaces connected to those busy aisles, thus there are fewer cars to worry about when backing out of a space.

I wish more spaces were angled. That makes it easier to see behind me when backing out. Maybe if more people mentioned that on the suggestion cards that some stores have available, the number of requests will build up to a level where they don't ignore them. Then they can re-mark the parking spaces even though angled parking makes people drive around more and thus the parking lot congestion is greater. Hmmm. Seems I've shot down my idea. No store manager wants more congestion.

>drive aw11
>cockpit feels
>awesome visibility

>buying anything made after 1995 ever
>kek

>>16415330
>get anal over safety for pedestrians and cyclists
>make cars bloated in every direction so there is room for impact and deformation
>completely ruin visibility
>blindspots are now even blinder
>cause more accidents because you can't see shit
>"SEE? WE NEED MOAR SAFETY"
i dun geddit

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>>16422926

>>16429762

Actually concrete roads cost more to lay down, and maintain.

Also Concrete roads have less Fritiction meaning, braking, acceleration, and handling suffer on them.

Even worse in snow and rain where traction on concrete roads is almost nothing.

>>16432048

I put the little mini mirrors on the corner of my mirrors. So now I check my mirrors I also see into my blind spot.

>>16433505
But those mirror spots are so small. If anything shows up, it is more like a blob of color. SO you don't really look at the object but just that there is something appearing in that mirror spot?

This thread is already a cluster fuck but i wonder if anyone here knows that they asked people what they wanted the car to look like and this is what they chose. as much as i hate it i can't exactly knock them for listening to feedback. Personally i would've made it look more like a 2-door commodore in shape with Camaro front/rear end.

>>16424213
look at the model x

>>16424598
>cars have been a thing for 100+ years
>BLIS has been a thing for 10+
>it's an option on 90% of cars
>hurr most cars on da road have it

You're a fucking imbecile.

>>16436088

You cavemen are just discovering the automatic transmissions now... Let me guess, You don't believe that econoboxes come with 150hp either? These are just things first worlders are used to by now...

>>16436147
I live in the US jackass.

Cars that have BLIS make up a fraction of cars on the road. If your statement was "most NEW cars have this feature" that would be one thing, but you're claim that "the majority of cars on the road have this feature" is moronic. BLIS is still optional on a lot of cars anyway.

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>>16418203
Large windows like this seems like they could be worse in traffic accidents that pop the airbag.

>>16432048
I wanted to buy a coupe but it's literally impossible to check your blind spot. It kind of pisses me off since it was such a big deal on the road test, but suddenly when you have your license it doesn't even matter anymore. No wonder every single used honda civic coupe I have found has been in one or more accidents.

>>16436885
They have fuckhuge mirrors though

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>>16424172
>>16427609
After downloading that TV series, the two movies are at: https://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=880036

>>16415330
Im surprised that they dont just use cameras and cheap screens on the inside of the pillars to compensate for this

>>16417867

Some people have said the Chevy Bolt has good visibility.

>>16436885
I've got an '08 Civic coupe I'm thinking about selling, under 100k miles, no accidents, maintenance done on schedule etc. Not an Si though and the clearcoat on the trunk has started to peel like with most '06-13 models.

>>16438827
>the clearcoat on the trunk has started to peel like with most '06-13 models.
It peels even though people wax their honda cars? Or it peels for those who don't regularly wax their car?

>>16439051
No idea but I would assume from your tone that waxing helps mitigate the problem. I only bought it a year ago and it was already peeling.

>>16439262
Too late by then. The damage to the clear coat has occurred since it's peeling.

>>16438827
Take it to a dealer, they have a recall for the Canadian built cars with the shitty paint. You might get a free paint job.

>>16431163
>Camaro
>rear passengers

You can, at best, put a quadruple amputee in the back.

>>16432048
>I installed some wide angle mirrors to help but I still have to move my head around to really make sure there isn't a motorcycle right behind the pillar.

It's sad, but I have to look around carefully whenever I make a left turn because that A pillar in front of my (chev malibu 2016) is pretty large. It can hide someone that is walking across against the light. Yeah, people do walk when it says don't walk. Sometimes they are still in the crosswalk when I have the green light.

>>16415765

That's because it's in a heavily photoshop'ed marketing photo. It might not even be an actual photo at all.

It doesn't look nearly as good IRL.

>>16415836
>You're paying for the V6 in those cars.
Those cars don't have V6 anymore. Malibu is only 4 cylinder now. To meet EPA mileage, 2016 onwards even uses smaller engines with horsepower coming via turbo. The 2016 Limited is exception with a 2.5L N/A at 196HP.

>Most cheap 4 bangers come with rear view cameras standard and side view cameras in the $500 tech package.
It won't be $500 here. Malibu requires you to buy the basic upgrade package for $$$ after which point you can then buy other upgrades and the tech package. Tech package is like $1700. So, that tech package ends up being $$$ to upgrade from the basic model plus yet another $1700 for the tech package itself.

>>16422827
>"sports" car

Kek, its way too pigfat and heavy to be a sports car.

>>16415330
BMW cares. Really. They still have the most visibility in all their cars. Other manufacturers (*cough* Mercedes CLA) just seem to sacrifice visibility and rear headroom for design purposes. Which sells cars, but as a past owner of a coupe car by a french manufacturer I must say that in the long run visibility in a car far outweights its looks. Manufacturers mostly just seek to maximize sales.

>Most cars have side and rear view cameras plus blind spot detection.

Maybe insurance companies can band together in 2020 (final rear view cam target year) and agree that all low-visibility cars without rear view cameras are more risky to drive. Such cars thus get higher rates.

Since these safety features are purchased as one of the options packages cars can be judged "more safe" than the base model if they have this package. For some cars, but not others, it can be easily determined off the car badge because if it is the LT or LTZ model, those must all have the tech package included. But the basic car model might still possibly have the OEM tech package in some makes and models.

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>>16444574
>Kek, its way too pigfat and heavy to be a sports car.

Pigfat bacon is yummy good and the fat is the best part.

Pigfat 2017 Porsche 911 --> Up to 3,682 pounds with all extras included

Pigfat 2016 Lamborghini Aventador --> 4,085 to 4,196 pounds

2017 Porsche Cayenne --> 4,488 to 4,927 pounds

Pigfat 2017 Audi R8 --> 3,572 to 3,649 pounds

Pigfat 2016 Nissan GT-R --> 3,812 to 3,922 pounds

2016 Tesla Model S (0 to 60mph in 2.5sec) --> 4,608 to 4,936 pounds

>>16444472

A slightly loaded cheaper model will have more features than a base version of the next model up. In something like a Impala or Malibu you're paying for the fancy turbo engine, a bigger car and the name.

The average car here is around $30k, So it usually has the blind spot monitoring system. I guess it's different in lower income areas.

>>16423629
shave that peachfuzz kid.

>>16423629
Hi pokehidden

>>16447147
and yet the Miata was able to reduce the overall weight from NC to ND despite added regulations.

more manufacturers need to follow the rules of making sports cars: "simplify, and add lightness"

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>>16448675
>more manufacturers need to follow the rules of making sports cars: "simplify, and add lightness"

No, that was only one approach towards cars. And the guy that coined the phrase for his company made some pretty sucky cars _back then_ with his "add lightness" approach which meant beautiful skin and ugly or compromised skeleton under the skin. That's fine for race cars and that phrase was developed for Chappy's race cars.

But apply that to passenger cars? For example, when the Elise was made, it had pretty sucky insides despite its striking exterior and that nice conversation piece hole in the hood. However, the Cavalier 1997 sedan with the 2.4L DOHC engine could out corner and out slalom the consumer version Elise in official testing. Elise has come a long ways since then, but that "simplify and add lightness" is not appropriate for passenger vehicles.

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How's the visibility in this picture? You're in the AE86. There are three cars in two lanes and the road is narrowing with the shoulder disappearing soon. Is it time to pop a Mentos?

>>16440949
I bought it last year, as is, no warranty. Will a dealer try to charge me for just bringing it in to check, or should I find out if it was built in Canada before I waste my time?

>>16449381
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1092810_2006-2013-honda-civics-will-get-extended-paint-warranty

If your VIN starts with a 2 it was built in Canada.

>>16449412
Much appreciated

>>16449381
>Will a dealer try to charge me for just bringing it in to check
You can check online with your car manufacturer. Enter the VIN to look for recalls.

There are other websites too that have lists of recalls and you can look for them there.

>>16436885
>No wonder every single used honda civic coupe I have found has been in one or more accidents.
More like the car hasn't physically felt or emotionally felt the same to that driver after the accident and repair job, so it's time to dump the car and move on.

>>16424276
Are all pillars like this inside? Or is this some special case pillar beam?

>>16415330
both.
pencil pushers in washington pile on excessive "safety" regulations to make soccer moms happy and kill any fun, and automakers don't care as long as they can sell the car globally with little change, and if visibility becomes poor, they can just add more electonic "driver aids" to make the car "even safer", and up the price, on top of the already bloated price with all the govt mandated safety features

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>>16415883
>'ve driven late 90s/early 00s cars for my whole life so I'm dreading the moment my Camry dies for this reason.
why? just buy a used 90's/00's car

>>16416095
>So the only solution was to have cars evolve higher
then why are they so fucking low to the ground?
I get its for roll over safety, but if that doesnt matter in an SUV then why should it matter in a sedan? seems like its a case of wanting the cake and eating it.

making cars taller to cope with SUV's, while ALSO keeping them low to the ground for "muh rollover safety" which means stretching them like taffy

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>>16452005
that is the b pillar of a forth gen impreza
other pillars have two hss bars and many different thickness of metal
it mostly covers the passenger compartment side and roof
https://www.subaru.ca/Content/7907/Media/General/webimage/technology/ringshape2.jpg
http://canopuscomputing.com.au/gallery2/d/15505-1/SG+Forester+body+shell+framing+crop.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_0oCrVCzAD90/SwG0b-wOyMI/AAAAAAAAAac/2cc_nNvMeCs/s1600/boron-b-pillar-tailored-blank.JPG

I got into this kind of thing after learning about fire fighters and ambulance officers getting injured and killed by air bags while trying to extract or treat patients
the sight in my first post also has cutaway diagrams showing the location of air bags and other such things

>>16447147
>Kek, its way too pigfat and heavy to be a sports car.
Sports cars seem heavier than a lot of normal passenger cars.

>>16452448
I have a little more respect for the complexity of the beams now. I had previously thought they were simple enclosed girders.

>>16416095
>Otherwise, the "solution" to this evolution is to mandate that all SUV and trucks also be no taller than regular cars. That isn't going to happen

Have you been outside lately? 90% of the SUV's on the market is a car +2 inches of ground clearance and 1 foot of door height.
They're basically smaller minivans.

>>16415526
Honestly this is my favorite image I see posted on /o/

>>16418203
>tiny crack in windshield
>replace entire roof of car

>>16436885
It's not that bad it's just that checking requires sticking out your neck a bit more instead of just turning your head. It's only ever been a problem once and that was when me and some guy behind tried to merge into the same lane. I already compulsively check my surroundings just so I don't get any surprises

>>16439051
in the 06-11 models, some of their paints have chalking problems so they issued a free repainting if you take it to a dealership before 2012.

Unfortunately the previous owner of my car did not get the free repainting

>>16415372
No manufacturer is going to admit that their car was designed the way it is due to regulations

>>16447186
The difficulty is that it is an option package in a NEW CAR PURCHASE and that means buying a new car to begin with. There's lots of people who love feeling that "new car magic" enough to eat the huge value depreciation.

>The average car here is around $30k, So it usually has the blind spot monitoring system.
It's getting to the point that $30K doesn't touch the basic car (with 2.0L engine) that was just able to get the package with rear view camera system. The blind spot monitoring is in a higher level package.

Since rear view camera is declared by the DOT to be a mandatory feature on future new cars, hopefully there will now be more incentive to have better features in the premium package versions. Making it mandatory will shove more R&D dollars into the systems, so it's a safe assumption they will get better.

>>16423688
>what is a unitary chassis

>>16415330
>Is it impossible to have good visibility with modern safety regulations, or do automakers simply not care?

The answer is yes.

I am afraid of cars made in 2010 for that reason, and not many of those cars are even on highly congested roads. It just means more morons that cut you off.

>>16423613
The Avantime was too good for this world. Nobody was ready for it and it was laughed and mocked out of production.
Seriously, the failure of the Avantime and VelSatis mark the end of any form of innovation from Renault.
That and (in another way) Saab are two examples of why car manufacturers never do anything unusual in the first place.

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>>16415330
safety? why would i need safety if i can see everything trough my BIG windows?

>>16415330
No idea, probably just for styling or for cheaper construction by using less expensive material but more of it, causing a chunkier car.

The last car I drove for fun was the BMW M4. Its a convertible/coupe, but the visibility was quite stunning. You can clearly see your blind spots whenever you need to change lanes or what not. That is with the top on, of course.

>>16456690
all you'd need now would be some engine upgrade so that you can actually flee from danger quickly enough when you saw it.

>>16456898
ls swap that would be nice.
or a turbo on this car but i have no money or skills to do this

>>16415330
>or do automakers simply not care?

Not only that, look around on social media.

Apparently most people actually LIKE being enclosed that much in a car and it makes them feel saver.
Saw tons of comments like that.

>>16456899
LS would MAJORLY fuck up the balance of your car and it would probably even get dangerous to drive.

if I'm correct than this is a suzuki swift. those weight like 800kg?
you could just drop a 1.8 from the baleno/esteem in and you'd have like 140hp in a 800kg car. shit tons of fun and it should easily drop in since I think baleno and swift have same engine mountings.

>>16424213
Windscreens don't shatter

>>16415412
the roof clearance is way too low in the corner.

>>16415330
Car heavier means more momentum which means that the frame needs to be able to handle a larger force on it. If they would just stop making their cars so pigfat then this wouldnt be an issue.

Its like a fucking sports car that needs even more structural reinforcement than a crown vic because of its shorter wheelbase

>>16456981
A consequence of making the ends of the roof beams more horizontal for crash strength.

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The good old days.

>>16455404
This

also have to pay a billion dollars for specific windshield

>>16415330
>it impossible to have good visibility with modern safety regulations, or do automakers simply not care?

It's possible.

http://articles.sae.org/9946/

>>16458481
if the bloating weren't such a shit problem nowadays this car could look fucking modern now

>>16418465
Can you really bake cookies in the summer in Arizona?

>>16459010
Cookies can bake if you focus more reflectors on the dark pan and have it in an oven-like box. Cookies don't bake properly in wide open air even if you have the heat of a real oven. You can imagine the futility of your home oven or countertop oven if there was basically no enclosure for the heat. Your brownies wouldn't bake properly even though you had genuine oven heat. And that's the problem with the car. It might have been possible but there is no oven enclosure for those cookies (and which would let in enough solar radiation).

For solar baking, the key is to have enough dark pan surrounding the cookie to absorb more heat and then have that inside an enclosure so that all the heat doesn't get out. A car dash has too much air inside the cabin to bake the cookies even if the pan gets hot enough.

If you try the experiment (not recommended), you must put enough padding because you don't want the hot pan melting your dash plastic. So don't try it unless you just want to make a statement about how hot it gets.

Years ago, there have been times the Phoenix Sky Harbor airport was too hot for planes to take off because at that time, the insurance policies stipulated a max ambient operating temperature. I would assume the policies have been changed since then if modifications to the planes were made for operation during global warming.

>>16458443
can't be helped when your car can't turn.