>tfw gs hogging V8 muscle cars will likely be banned in a

no they wont you retard

stop blaming liberals for you being a stupid fuck

i bet your just as big a retard as that idiot trump

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>>16378933
>your a retard

would be nice if they were banned

old cars shouldnt be allowed on the road

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Muscle cars pretty much paved the way for modern sports cars and practical performance (If you count old sedans and wagons, and even the 2 doors usually had 4 seats), I hope they don't die out

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>>16378933

>>16378955
they did fuck all.
Muscle cars are dead.
New muscle cars are sports cars.

>>16378912
I'd be more mad at the fact that you need to save for two decades to get a nice car. Stupid kid.

>>16378967
I'm saying that will be when they're banned retard. lrn 2 read
>bernie sanders being retarded and senile as usual

>>16378955
no they didnt

muscle cars didnt do shit except create a demand for shitty cars with big engines

>>16378962
Explain the success of the challenger and charger. Arguably some of the only real muscle cars on the market

>>16378978
What did you buy in the 50's-70's if you wanted speed? Either an exotic and hard to service super car or a muscle car (Which could be serviced at any fucing local shop)

>>16378977
Learn to write coherent sentences, you stupid child. Maybe finishing your education will help you get the vee ayte you dream of.

>>16378962
>>16378978
Muscle cars invented the idea of cheap fast cars based of existing (hence cheap) and practical platforms.
The same idea went across the world and created cars as varied as the Lotus Cortina Skyline GTR.

>>16379001Tuners are the exact same idea as muscle

Remember when muh liberals had every opportunity to ban 50 year old classics with no cats, or at least require them to be retrofitted with cats, air injection, and every other bullshit smog gizmo they could think of, but didn't because there are so few of them on the road, despite many of them being so slow or in such poor condition that they can either barely keep up in traffic or barely move without losing a hub?

I do too!

Ultimately, politicians are budget makers and profiteers, not divine crusaders of their personal moral right. They do what costs little money and makes lots for their friends. Who needs to ban when you can tax?

>yes this first gen mustang is actually worht $50k and you use tax will be.....
>What, no it isn't, it's a rustbucket
>i know what you got. it at least ran when parked. since you forgot to sign the bill of sale it's being taxed based on fair market value for a good condition vehicle. i won't go kick the tires for you. that will be $4k for registration.

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>>16378912 (OP)
You're wrong. The self driving car won't take over in any way.
>get into an accident
>"I'm not at fault officer, the car was driving itself."
>"I wasn't driving either. The car was."
So who is at fault in a case where two self driving cars crash?
The one that has the software malfunction, or that physically breaks.
You remember those code monkeys talking about how the internet is a horrifying abomination and basically a demonstration in non-standardized chaos?
Imagine that, but with thousands of pounds of steel hurtling at a hundred kilometers per hour.

No company would be insane enough to take on that kind of insurance risk. And the IEEE won't allow for a product to risk people's lives with the kind of errors we see with the internet. Have you ever tried to connect to a google map or 4g while driving in the country, where cell towers are more rare?
Imagine that sort of problem, but with the system these cars use to communicate. GPS is far too slow to use to constantly track each other as well.

Let's be realistic, the self driving car is a nice idea. If it becomes a thing, it will be for people who don't want to drive, but don't want to rent ubers.

And conservative politicians and people have every reason to behave the same way with self driving cars. It's a bipartisan issue, and you complaining about liberals as a boogeyman makes you look like a fedora wearing under thirty five alt-right or neocon piece of garbage. (And really, they're the same thing.)

>>16378997
speed has nothing to do with sports cars and muscle attracts a completely different crowd

people who wanted sports cars on a budget got MGs Triumphs and Austin Healeys

Jaguar Alfas BMW Porsche and Lotus at the next level

then you had Ferrari Maserati Lamborghini

>>16379001
>Muscle cars invented the idea of cheap fast cars based of existing (hence cheap) and practical platforms.

no the fuck they didnt

>>16379025
>>16379018
he posted then reposted

>>16379009
Yeah, guess which came first?

>>16379025
Insurance companies would be brave enough to put the error on any human participant when possible unless someone can reproduce a supposed bug in the software

Even if they were in the self driving car

>It was your responsibility to clean the sensors dipshit

>>16379029
I corrected my original post that said "the classic car won't take over"
Because that was a mistake and I literally just woke up and haven't had coffee yet. Get off my tits nigga.

>>16379028
>no the fuck they didnt
don't tell me, 32 ford

>>16379033
Yes, but if I can track the telemetry of my self driving car, I can point to the self driving car's errors and bugs. And that means I could then blast the insurance company to cover my costs. Not my fault.
Remember how Tesla was trying to hide behind how the driver could have taken over, but didn't?
All self driving cars will have manual overrides for that reason.

>>16379049
people were modifying cars with that idea before the 32 ford was a thing

>>16379028
>>16379028
Are you implying a 4 meter 2 seater with no boot is on the same level as a 5.4 meter car with 4-5 seats and a big boot?

>>16379064
Old hot rods in the 20's-50's were basically the father of muscle cars

>>16379064
The point is a manufacturer actually thinking poor people should be able go fast too

They will not be banned, you conservatard, because there is no point.

By the time that self-driving electric cars REALLY take over, gasoline for cars will become expensive as fuck because the only people who need it are the hobbyists who own "classic" ICE vehicles. I'm talking the equivalent of $15-30+ a gallon since the likes of Exxon and Royal Dutch Shell would've switched over to more lucrative buisinesses that don't require the high overhead of pumping, trasporting, and refining oil into gasoline. Low demand => low supply => making gas becomes specialty fuel produced by specialists.

So yeah, the people who have money will still be able to drive and enjoy thirsty V8's, V10's, V12's, and W16's => but unless you're pretty wealthy or devote your entire life to driving your mustang the reason you won't be able to drive a V8 isn't because of the "libruls" but precisely the opposite - the free market will basically fuck you in the ass.

So enjoy it while you can, faggot. I probably identify closest with the capital "L" Liberals the most so I don't have any problems at all with the free market (properly utilized) - but it always amazes me how short-sighted right-wingers can never seem to understand how the ideas and policies they support can backfire on them.

>>16379066
what retarded point are you trying to make

dont move the goalposts and change the topic

>Muscle cars pretty much paved the way for modern sports cars

they fucking didnt

>>16379077
muscle cars were not for the poor
they may have been cheaply made with poor quality but they werent affordable unless you had a decent job

TO SOLVE EMISSIONS ALL THESE FAGS SHOULD TURN ALL COMMERCIAL AND GOVERNMENTAL CARS/LITERALLY ANY OTHER GASOLINE POWERED VE HI CLE INTO ELECTRIC INSTEAD OF THE OTHER WAY AROUND
WHY ARE EUROPEANS SO RETARDED
HYBRID IS OK
ELECTRIC IS NOT
FUCK

>>16379081
neck yourself, you leftist parasite.

>>16379085
>they may have been cheaply made with poor quality but they werent affordable unless you had a decent job
Everyone had a decent paying job in the 60s

>>16379098
Yeah, but then conservatives decided that lower class people didn't really need to live a decent fucking life. So they voted away all the manufacturing jobs and strangled the minimum wage. When natural gas came around, they voted for that and broke the coal industry. But hey, poor people, amirite?
>>16379095
Not before I slaughter you and eat from your carcarss, dog.

>lot lobbying against it or at least for an "enthusiast" licence allowing driver-controlled ICE vehicles

You are part of the problem

>>16379098
no they didnt

>>16379118
to be honest old cars shouldnt be allowed on the road and be relegated to off road use only

maybe have an expensive 1 day tag like Japan has for car shows

You can't just ban something from existing already, but you can ban people from buying new. I can still drive a model t on the road even though it follows not a single modern vehicle standard, and you can still buy a Barrett 50 cal or fully auto m16 from someone who owns it privately because there grandfathered in

>Tl;dr- build your own fagguette

>>16379161
fuck off fascist statist. no one drives old cars.

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>>16379183
I drive an old car.

Checkmate, atheist.

>>16379183
any car older than say 10 or 15 years is old

plenty drive them

even if you extend it out to like 25 there are plenty

>>16379190
*a statistically significant portion of the population doesnt drive old shit

>>16379197
i dont care statist cuck. there isn't enough people driving old shit for it to need to be regulated.

do NOT step on me ree

>>16379204
A large number of people drive cars that are 25+ years old.

>buy newest vette you can afford now
>store it properly till petrol cars start being outlawed
>spank it out of its slumber
>say that you can't afford to get a new car
>you get to either stand out or the DMV buys you a new car free of charge and you get an antique vette

win win

ban or no ban i'll still drive it.

>>16379204
theres plenty

it needs to happen

incredibly difficult inspections that are up to modern car standards

if the car cant pass it doesnt need to be on the road

>>16379225
Enforce it then. But most people can't afford to drive a newer car.

And don't day then just take the bus, that shit doesn't fly in the majority of America. Our civilization is too spread out to accommodate that

>>16379225
are you still buttblasted Chad stole your girl with his first gen Mustang.

To answer your suggestion, classics are inspected like modern cars, nobody really gives a shit and passes them anyway.

>muh muh laws!

every brotruck you see on the road with a sooty tailpipe is illegal, nobody gives a single shit.

>>16379244
well thatll teach them to be poor

they should check their privilege endangering others isnt a right

>>16379256
Taking away another's means to a livelihood isn't your right either. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness/property. You want to protect life at the expense of the others

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>>16379256
you should check your privilege for trying to force people to live like you.

>tfw old carbed wankels will most likely go ignored because muh displacement
>tfw can spew unburned gas and pollutants into the atmosphere for eternity
>or until the gas and apex seals run out

>>16379254
>To answer your suggestion, classics are inspected like modern cars,

no they arent

I can drive my 1990 into a place pay $13 and they pass me

the 2005 has to go through much more while costing more too

this is a blatant act of negligence that could easily lead to death

>>16379262
>boohoo I have to take public transport

like I said check your damn privilege

>>16379265
It wouldnt be forcing people to live like me

it would be making society better the ends justify the means

>>16379276
>Check your privilege
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

In most of America, like anywhere that isn't a big developed city, public transport doesn't exist or basically comes 2 times a day.

By forcing the working class to drive modern cars, you're forcing them to give up a big majority of their pay check when that's not necessary.

You want to make cars safer? Remove cell phones from the vehicle.

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>>16379276
>the 2005 has to go through much more while costing more too
lmao cucked.

I guess that's really the problem here isn't it, you want everyone to be cucked like you.


>>16379289
>the ends justify the means
Spoken like a true piece of shit.
enjoy the cuck life friendo

>>16379292
tax cars heavily
fund public transport with the money

>>16379302
nope

>>16379301
>wanting every car on the road to be up to a standard of safety is "cucked"

nope

>>16379306
Define safety because i can see more out my back window my my 61 than you can out of a modern car windshield.

>>16378912
Move to Michigan. Car capital of the world and the most environmentally stable state in the US

>>16379317
That's what the cameras and radar is for.

>>16379317
>muh visibilty

it goes behind safety

how about
modern stopping distances
modern emissions requirements
modern mileage requirements

your old shitbox is less safe, uses more resources, and pollutes more

it doesnt need to be on the road unless you can retrofit it

>>16379331
beyond*

>>16379301
>hey everyone I learned a new word

>>16379302
That's a waste of resources. Why use government for something that isn't necessary, at the expense of the economic cost of everyone's time required to take the bus

I had to take the bus to and from work for about 3 months before I had my truck again when it was sitting in another state.

My commute took an hour to an hour and fifteen minutes every day. Then I got my vehicle and the commute went to 15 minutes. At the time I was making about 12 dollar an hour, that's maths out to a little over 6 grand a year of time spent sitting. Multiply that by all the people you are disenfranchising by forcing them to drive the bus, and you end up with a massive loss.

Also you're pretty dumb for assuming that you can just build up the infrastructure to have public transportation in most rural areas. That would cost an absurd amount. If it was feasible, it would have been done already

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>>16379330
>needs a camera

HOLY JEJ

>>16379331
>modern stopping distances
lmao retard the entire controversy about ABS is that it increases stopping distances.

>modern emissions requirements
Literally who cares if polar bears go extinct. The Earth is getting greener.

>modern mileage requirements
You can get 20mpg out of 7 liter landboat.
Of course a cuck wouldn't know anything about that.

>>16379346
I'm astonished to think that we live in a day where a 700 horsepower muscle car gets over 20 mpg and costs little as it does fit the amount of tech and power that you get

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>>16379352
There are those who would deny us such freedom because they've been brainwashed by some old fart in a lecture hall.

>>16379342
>boohoo I have to take public transport
>boohoo I have to get up earlier but I dont want to so I lose hours

the repeated theme is most people are whiny privileged bitches

but of course people dont want to make their place better if its a minor inconvenience

disgusting

>>16379346
ABS is irrelevant

go live in China then

20mpg on the highway is awful should be heavily taxed if its under 30

>>16379361
I honestly don't understand if you're trying to have an argument, or are just refusing to acknowledge the basic economic costsof putting a bunch of people in one container to move them around.

>>16379361
>ABS is irrelevant
>it's irrelevant because it's evidence of my erroneous ideas

>go live in China then

how about you go live in China, it suits your ideas of taxes and public transportation to a fucking T.

>20mpg on the highway is awful should be heavily taxed if its under 30
>tax this, tax that, tax it!
I'm actually trying to argue with a Korean right now. Post a picture of the world outside your window right now.

>>16379342
Alphonse tells me you can shitpost on the bus these days. Don't tell me every hour of your life is money when you're on 4chan half the time.

>>16379361
Wasting an hour a day on a fucking bus doing absolutely nothing is a HUGE problem for the individual and for productivity. That would be wasting over a day a month and over 12 days a year, and over the course of a lifetime it would be about 2.5 years spent sitting in a FUCKING BUS.

>>16379378
No but time didn't going to and from work that doesn't need to be different waiting is a waste. I'm usually multi tasking but most of my free time is different doing something.

>>16379378
$chan is money
press shit and 4
$
proof

>>16379368
nothing will become anything without an investment

>>16379372
modern cars stopped quicker than old cars

come on youre the one that doesnt care about emissions go live in China or Inda

if people are inconsiderate they need to pay for it

my camera is dead and Im not charging it for you

>>16379380
>Im a whiny bitch

I get it its a recurring theme and I just assume now

>>16379393
>modern cars stopped quicker than old cars
No they don't, I've had experience with both. My almost-friend drums will stop quicker than any of my ABS cars.

>come on youre the one that doesnt care about emissions go live in China or Inda
You're the one that cares about taxes, public transportation, public safety, the common good, and communism, fuck off Chink.

Confirmed North Korean.
Just for this i'm going to drive my smog exempt Car around all day.

>>16379413
>friend
fried*

>>16379393
>Im a whiny bitch
It sounds like you don't value time at all. When you get out of highschool and have to pay bills, you'll understand what a dollar really costs.

>>16379413
lol bull shit

even my 90 stops better than any old piece of shit with drum brakes

youre the one that doesnt care about emissions you should go live where others dont

yeah because a Nork would be on 4chan

>>16379424
really

youre just a colossal bitch that cant handle a bus ride

all there is to it

youre probably a jew too if you care this much about money

>>16379434
Your argument is based in emotion, which is fine. I don't see you orduring me as I don't see your logic

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>>16379434
>lol bull shit
nope
Try well tuned drum brakes some time. You won't because you're too poor to own a car but w/e
RIP polar bears :(

>>16379455
Persuading

>>16379458
this post looks like you realized how retarded you are and just stopped trying

>>16379455
your argument is based on emotion as well

I dont care if I persuade you

>>16379480
No, if that was the case then it would be
>Banning old cars makes you sit next to the homeless and that would give you aids

My argument is based on the economic costs to the individual as well as to the society as a whole.

>>16379480
>this post looks like you realized how retarded you are and just stopped trying
>pl..please go away and stop stylin on me!

lmao you should see how much smoke this car puke under a load.

You know where the crankcase vents to?
a Pipe that blows onto the road lmao
I'm going to emission all over your face

>>16379488
>I'm going to emission all over your face
wow lewd

>>16379487
sorry youre too much of a jew to see how spending money to make the world better in the long run isnt a good idea

main reason why America is shit is people like you

>>16379488
so cringe

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>>16378933
>(you)

>>16379512
It would certainly be better for everyone if everyone drove a brand new car, my whole argument is that the majority of people can't afford that

>>16379512
>so cringe
So salty.
Post car.

>>16379081
Sorry bud but the whole world isn't the first world. Most of the worlds population lives in countries that don't have the infrastructure to support electric cars. Exxon will always produce oil as long as Mbeke and his friends buy it. There are places in the US even that electric cars aren't completely viable yet

>>16379522
thus there is the public transport option

>b-but it costs money

its an investment

>>16379524
already said my camera was dead

all I have of my car is an exhaust clip

I dont care enough to try and prove myself to someone on 4chan lmao

Don't be retarded we will have a golden age of electric cars. ALso look up global warming induced ecosystem destruction. Not going to be too good m8

>>16379525
>in 50 years time people will move to Kenya to hear the roar of the V8

>>16379540
>I dont care enough to try and prove myself to someone on 4chan lmao
means
>i don't have a car lmao

>>16379161

Kill yourself.

>>16379554
youre the guy who got destroyed in the muscle car thread a couple days ago arent you lol

>p-please post ur car so I can have something to shit talk

once again its more fun to watch you make an ass of yourself

>>16379578
kek i was the one doing the destroying.
It's funny to see how many people on /o/ don't have cars.

>>16379582
>gets proven wrong in every argument
>lol post ur car you have hurt my butt and I want to try to hurt yours

JUST

>>16379592
>doesn't have an understanding of economics
>doesn't own a car
J U S T

>>16379592
I see the tears still haven't dried from the other day lmao.

>>16379553
>>in 50 years time people will move to Kenya to hear the roar of the V8

>Kenya won't still be getting Japan's sloppy seconds 50 years from now

>>16379595
>>16379599
wew boy

the damage control is continuing after all of this time

what is it about muscle fans that make them the most stupid fucks in the car world

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>>16379612
lmao
>i..i promie i have a car my camera is just broke
>please take my word for it please!
Dance for me dance!

>>16379627
>once again its more fun to watch you make an ass of yourself

yes keep dancing for me indeed

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>>16379633
this is too fucking much lmao
keeps defending the civic he doesn't even have lmao

>>16379641
>pointing out how stupid you are means Im defending a car

lol

Im not playing with you as long today since this isnt holding my attention anymore

>>16379673
>can't even post a single of picture of his alleged cars

How is that busride lmao?
nocars baka lmao

>>16379221
That's not how it works

>>16379693
Im not posting my car because its more entertaining to not post it

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>>16378962
>4600 pounds
>"sports"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>16379715
I know it is, i love smacking you around anon.

>>16379515
thank you for the response


i now feel vindicated in knowing my opinion was spot on

Who knew, wanting to have more time to yourself makes you a whiner now. Do you have any idea how much it improves your quality of life to have an extra two hours in your day?

But no, we should all waste hours for no actual reason to make collectivist shits happy.

>>16379746
youre even whining right now

if youre not happy its your own fault not because you have to ride a bus

>>16379512
How does people having to suffer the massive personal cost of being unable to go where they want make the country better?

Even in places with good public transport it takes 2-3 times as long to reach the same place, does not go directly to most places and many places are impractical or impossible to reach. Do you not understand how much that limits people when they have no personal transport?

You cannot get somewhere fast in an emergency, transport more than you can comfortably carry yourself or go somewhere at night in most places. And in rural places there will be little if any coverage because public transport is grossly inefficient there.

>>16379161
Die in a fire.
>>16379183
My life is devoted to driving old cars. I'll be buying another in the next week.

>>16379767
>My life is devoted to driving old cars. I'll be buying another in the next week.
Are you picking up that Diamond Jubilee?

>>16379763
I am not whining, I am pointing out that you don't have the right to reduce the quality of life of others. You would have to be a troll or an idiot to call that whining.

People are not to blame if having no practical mobility and no way to visit the people/things they want makes them unhappy.

>>16379292
I'm incapable of getting by with public transportation. I pick up the dead at all hours of the night from any location and time is a factor.

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>>16378933

>>16379766
see below for a list of things people can do

weird how rural towns and society itself was able to exist before cars...

>>16379776
you are whining

walk
ride a bike
get a moped
taxi
uber

people are just lazy and privileged

>>16378912
>what is grandfathering

>>16379788
>do all these things except the most efficient one

>>16378912
I still hate Americans for calling all leftists liberals.
LIBERALISM IS AN INHERENTLY RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY.
Liberalism is FOR personal freedoms and FOR the free market.
You fucks are some politically inept motherfuckers.

Yes you can ban me, mod. I've had enough.

>>16379788
And people before cars had less mobility and freedom of movement, what do you not understand about this?

You are smugly advocating people be forced to waste time and money because they dared to live outside of a city. What made you so bitter that you want to make the lives of millions worse?

Walking and cycling are troll suggestions, the US is too big. Mopeds are less safe, especially for long journeys. And taxis are extremely expensive in rural areas if taxis will even go out that far. Personal auto-mobiles are the most efficient way for people to get around, you just refuse to admit that. You would rather scream and rant and call people lazy for not wanting to walk 20+ miles each way if they want to go somewhere.

>>16379773
No, a '79 Bill Blass Mark V with the factory sunroof. The only downside is that it doesn't have the 460; only the 400.

>>16379823
no people walked or did whatever to get where they wanted

not sit around and cry because they didnt like the way they had to go somewhere

you are literally nothing but lazy and privileged

if you live outside of a city then you brought the inconvenience on yourself

>>16379823
>What made you so bitter that you want to make the lives of millions worse?
He doesn't have a car.

Is that faggot socialist from a rainy inbred island still crying about classics in this shit?

>>16379867
Retard, I am arguing against him and I am British.

Even in Britain only someone with brain damage would advocate just using public transport in rural areas. I live in a decent sized town with good public transport and not having a car still massively impacts what you can do and when.

>>16379852
No, you brought it upon them by banning the most efficient means of transportation you delusional misanthrope.

Wanting to be able to go somewhere within a day instead of a week is not lazy. It means you actually have commitments and stuff to do, something you clearly know nothing about.

>>16379822
>implying we have mods
Also do you mean libertarian?

>call yourself literal
>want to ban fun
lyl

>>16379893
yeah you might miss the towns "Lets Cry like a Bitch" convention

its still coming across as you are nothing more than lazy and privileged

>boohoo I have to walk further than my driveway

>>16379900
No.
Libertarians, as Americans understand the term, are just liberals that no longer want to call themselves that because the retarded public associates that word with leftism.

>>16379512
So are you a eurocuck who has to devote half his income for the "privilege" to drive a 3cyl shitbox, or a berniebro who can't afford a car and wants to inflict his pathetic busriding life on everyone else?

>>16379715
>Im only PRETENDING to be retarded

>>16379940
neither

America was designed to fail and it must be fixed

>>16379763
>gets hopelessly BTFO multiple times
>"stop whining fagit"

>>16379960
>>16379968
sup musclefag

if youre this desperate for my attention Ill give it to you

>>16379963
>America was designed to fail and it must be nuked repeatedly
ftfy

>>16379992
our image was nuked in this election

unfortunately it wont happen literally

>>16379998
America will be a fascist country in 10 years and no one can stop it.

>>16379081
lmao you can already brew ethanol in your own backyard what makes you think I wont be installing a flex sensor and going ham?