When will people finally admit that American cars are good, and

when american companies stop designing their cars to look like transformers

and when they stop slapping on racey aero bits

americans don't know how to wind tunnel

>>16333536
When GM stops lowering the bar knowing the govt will bail them out.

The German meme thing is already known, but people still buy German because it's a bit more exclusive

>>16333555
>he thinks the Viper ACR aero isn't functional

when American cars are actually good

>when american cars are good
Yes
>german engineering "meme"
No

When America takes the reliability spot from Japan

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>>16333575
But they are

>>16333898

Why are all heavy duty fleet vehicles American then? The last time I checked they get abused constantly and never miss a beat. I'm sure companies would be using Japanese trucks if they were more reliable. The average North American truck is more reliable than any German vehicle, excluding the million mile diesel taxi's that get meticulously maintained. Of course you're going to post a picture of a corvette leaking oil soooo...

>>16333536

Far from being bait, this is something quite reasonable I can accept. Mianly because I love the Viper and because the more experience I have with german cars the more I realize they're shit.

Although I wouldn't say american cars IN GENERAL are good. Glorious nip master race still rekts everyone, senpai.

>>16333920
see, this is what people don't get about american manufacturing. Consumer goods are absolute shit because people want them for absolute bottom dollar and don't care about quality. Whereas our industrial goods are fucking top notch because people actually give a fuck about them

>>16333536
because weebs

>>16333926
Except that there isn't a nip car that doesn't get beat by a American car.
>370z nismo gets beat by the focus RS and mustang/camaro
>base model gtr is getting beat by the gt350R
>gtr nismo getting beat by snek and even corvette on some tracks
All this happens while the American cars are cheaper

the ACR is an amazing machine that got fucked by production run and price point. Dodge doesnt have the marquis to charge a premium on an ultra high perfromance car.

Most people dont' even know it exists.

>>16333906
???

no they arent

>>16333536
leather>plastic

would banning america make it disappear?

>>16334075
what did he mean by this

>>16333536
someone who unironicly calls a nationality of engineering a """""""""""meme"""""""""" does not have a valid thing to say


as if where a person is from would denote the quality of their engineering

that would be the company that would control such a thing you stupid fucking retard

non /o/ fag here

whats even the difference between jap/ger/murican car?

they all use same material to make engines (?) and they all work in same way, inline or V motor

>>16334093
Design and engineering
Japs are top tier and the Americans have surpassed shitty eurotrash because while the Germans were resting on their laurels from the 80s and 90s the Americans, specifically Ford, got their collective shit together

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>>16334114
this.

>>16334093

>>16334114
this guy is pretty much /o/

common opinion here is
Japan>US>Europe

tbqh senpaitachi i think it's because of all the weebs. i'd like japanese cars more if the parys weren't so expensive.

>>16334137
>>16334138
HOWEVER

Even though I'm not a fan of GM, they have really stepped their game up with engines that don't have 8 cylinders, but still have no clue how to make a decent interior for mass produced cars that aren't branded Buick or Cadillac

FCA(Chrysler)s only saving graces are the RAM trucks, Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, and the LX cars, everything else is shit because Chrysler somehow found a worse partner than Daimler

>>16333536
When American cars are good and German engineering becomes a meme?

>>16333898
they will very soon, japs are deffinetly not the most reliable anymore

>>16334292
weird how most of the top reliable car companies are Japanese then

American cars are actually the worst overall

>>16334317

Because people that buy Japanese tend to take care of their cars (Nissan excluded). Where as American cars are usually treated as "throw away cars" because they're cheaper up front and don't have much of a resale value. The "more reliable brands" in that list are probably also driven a fuck load less than the less reliable brands.

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>>16333920
>Why are all heavy duty fleet vehicles American then?
because you limit imports to your market, retard. chicken tax and 25 year law and stupid epa and crash safety shit

theres a reason all trucks are japanese in the rest of the world
dont see any f250s traversing the sahara, fucking faggot

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>>16334342
Why are you posting a crashed e-class?

>>16334339
Toyota had to settle a class-action lawsuit brought on by people whose engines sludged because they never got oil changes. Walk by your average Camry or Accord and you'll see bald tires and other signs of neglect. Normies are complete morons when it comes to keeping their cars maintained.

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>>16334351

Companies are more than welcome to buy Tundra's and Tacoma's but they buy domestic trucks because they do the same job for a lot cheaper. People here would rather drive a bigger version of something if it only costs a bit more, which is why small trucks don't sell, not the fucking chicken tax. Even with no chicken tax, big trucks would still sell better. Why get a single cheeseburger when a double is $0.50 more?

>dont see any f250s traversing the sahara

Sure about that?

>>16333920
Because they're ridiculously cheap for what they are.
That's only possible through financial incentives

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>>16334093

> 6.2-liters of displacement, 11.5:1 compression, direct injection, continuously variable valve timing, active fuel management, variable displacement wet or dry-sump oil control, an advanced combustion system, and an estimated 450hp
> http://www.superchevy.com/news/ghtp-1210-gen5-inside-gms-all-new-lt1-small-block/

This will make 450 naturally aspirated hp and make it to 300k miles with just regular oil changes for maintenance-- THAT is damn good engineering.

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>>16334438

preemptive post:

>bruh... single cam

ok... TT V6 for you. Again, 300k miles with regular oil changes.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/lf4/

>>16334438
its not good engineering at all

it makes a pathetic 450hp from a 6.2L

>>16334497

Displacement means dick all when it's still physically smaller than a sub 5 liter European V8. Also what is torque and reliability?

You could always throw a $1000 cam in it and make more HP than your flagship twin turbo V12's.

>>16334426
>Tundra's and Tacoma
they are american vehicles through and through. designed in america by america, and built in america by americans with american parts
more american than dodge/gm/ford trucks

>look at this one cherry picked image
now compare to the countless hilux and landcruisers in the fleets of the UN, isis, black niggers and sand niggers! roflmao!!


>People here would rather drive a bigger version of something if it only costs a bit more
so americans choose to spend more on a larger truck simply because its larger? thanks for confirming the small penis theories LOL

>>16334497
Not really. That's 72 horsepower per liter naturally aspirated. Outside of high revving small displacement motors it doesn't get much higher than that.

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>>16333536

The day burgers start making actual good cars

Germans have proud in their work and make most of their cars in Germany

Japs have proud in their work and make most of their cars in Japan

Meanwhile americans outsource everything and make their cars in places like Mexico, even when they are made in the US, you can see the workers are fat rednecks that give 0 fucks about the vehicles they make

Also stop putting your fucking badges in foregin cars, for instance the Chevy police car is actually a re-branded Daewoo

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>>16334438
>This will make 450 naturally aspirated hp and make it to 300k miles with just regular oil changes for maintenance
>and make it to 300k miles
umm, sorry to break it to you anon...

>>16334516
>cam an lt1
>making more power than an s65
no

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>>16334516
>he thinks you need a V8 for torque
the ford motor company would like to have a word with you

>>16334520
Why would you not buy the larger one if the price difference is negligible
Logic doesn't make sense, you're literally getting more for your money. Storage space isn't a consideration.

>>16333988
the thing is none of those jap cars will overheat after one lap, while all the american ones burst into flames

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>>16334520
>now compare to the countless hilux and landcruisers in the fleets of the UN, isis, black niggers and sand niggers! roflmao!!

They all despise America, why would they want to use their trucks? Especially when they're being invaded by Americans...

>>16334523

I hope you realize it's pretty damn easy to get 100hp per liter out of a NA LS.....

>>16334542
>talking shit about americans
see
>>16334534
Ford uses Ecoboost not shitty V8s.

>>16334516
displacement kinda does matter

its not good engineering at all

>>16334540
why would you want a smaller and lighter truck for traversing difficult and rough terrain?
retarded americuck, you probably think a hd 3500 is fine for the job! LMAO!

then again theres a reason why the UN has such a massive fleet of toyotas and not a single piece of shit mall crawler kekk

>>16334547
considering america is funding the 'rebels' behind every uprising in the middle east for the last 20+ years you would think they would buy american products... but nah

>>16334497

Yer Beemer or VW motor will not make 100k. miles unless it is a diesel. Even then, it will smoke like hell as soon as the warrantee is up.

>Warranty Direct has studied its claims data to compile a list of the manufacturers with the most reliable engines - and Audi, BMW and Volkswagen all finished in the bottom 10 out of a total 36 makers.

>>16334534
>braking distance: 212 feet
wtf. isnt the distance for trucks usually like ~150 feet?

>>16334547
Was not aware. Thanks for not being a retarded shill

>>16334497

> http://thegarage.jalopnik.com/bmw-engines-are-gigantic-pieces-of-shit-1784684330

> my old E36 M3. It featured a US-only spec 3.2 liter straight six cylinder engine that produced around 240 horsepower. It also had a unique problem in which the nut that held the sprocket driving the oil pump would fall off.

> These engines were were plagued with connecting rod bearing failures, issues with the variable cam timing (VANOS), crankcase ventilation failures, hard starting, and their cooling systems were made of plastic and sealed, ensuring catastrophic failure where scalding hot coolant would shoot out of your engine bay, overheating your engine, at which point your head gasket would blow.

> The E60 M5's V10 will chew through its rod bearings in less than 60,000 miles and has rampant and costly SMG pump failures.

> The E92 M3 will also devour its rod bearings in short order.

> The new M3 and M4 engines have crank hub failures that take the engine out of sync and smash the valves into the pistons. They also suffer from oil cooler issues

> the E39 540i had timing chain guides made of melted jellybeans that would literally start disintegrating as soon as you even thought about the concept of an expired warranty

> The earlier inline-six cylinders featured in the 3 and 5 series cars also suffered from a brittle cooling system that would spring leaks and rupture without any advance notice

> the relatively new N20-series engines that featured four cylinders and turbochargers experienced timing chain stretching that necessitated two weeks’ downtime and a new engine.

> 7 Series, a car known for shitting its valve guide seals.

>>16334573
It uses giant BF goodrich KO2 offroad tires.

>>16334555
>toyota trucks
>in charge of being good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoHbn8-ROiQ

>>16334524
I thought the Caprice was a Holden.

>>16334014
The Corvette is a ghetto gt while the viper is a street legal race car.

>>16334497

> http://livingstingy.blogspot.com/2015/03/why-im-done-with-german-cars.html
> The idea of a Mercedes or a BMW (or a Volkswagen for that matter) going 200,000 miles is becoming harder and harder to realize. Sure, if you want to throw money at the car, you could do this - or if you got lucky. But usually what happens to expensive German Luxury cars at about 150,000 miles, is some sort of expensive and difficult engine or transmission repair, which would cost almost as much as the car is worth, to perform.

>>16334571
>>16334576
>>16334582
yawn


bunch of irrelevant shit that has nothing to do with what Im talking about

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>>16334582
>livingstingy.blogspot
literally a blog where a poorfag cries about spending money, lmao

>he thinks amerishit is reliable
take a back seat to europe, thanks!

>>16334576
see >>16334530

>>16334184
Cadillac is still pretty shitty the only good thing about them is performance.

>>16334576
Luxury makers want to make sure that their cars stay out of the hands of poor people, even when used, so they make them expensive to run after the initial lease is up. The Japs just take too much pride in their work for that.

>>16334530

Tell the whole story...

> tentative blame on a piece of metal debris (likely from a bad oil filter) that worked its way into the oiling system and wrecked a connecting-rod bearing,
> http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-manual-long-term-test-wrap-up-update-one-page-4

>>16334595
>JD Normie
Yeah great thanks

>>16334614
this is what damage control looks like

>>16334595

Cars that cost $100k more and get driven 1000 miles a year score better... Wow what a revelation.

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>>16334584

Oh, what are you talking about? 40 year track record of performance and reliability, maybe?

> http://www.onallcylinders.com/2014/01/26/top-10-engines-time-1-small-block-chevrolet-gen-1-350/

>>16334631
actual engineering

something GM knows nothing about

theyre shit for their displacement

>>16334633

How is 621 HP from a 6 liter twin turbo V12 not fucking pathetic?

>>16333536
When they're dead and gone and nobody has cheap engine power available anymore

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>>16334633

> Waaaa <snob>

Got an argument or facts or citations or anything? We can do this w/ Ford or Chysler V8s, too-- Cost-effective power and reliability for the masses...

> can't max-power

Current year factory race motors look a lot like production motors...

American engines are good. American cars have never been good. They only engineered wheeled sofas for their own roads and managed to stick a bunch of aerodynamic shelves on a car otherwise known as a deathwish.

>>16334584

> http://www.onallcylinders.com/category/the-buzz/car-culture-entertainment/top-10-engines/

Top 10 Engines of all time:

(#1): Small Block Chevrolet (Gen 1) 350
Top 10 Engines of All Time
(#2): Chrysler 426 HEMI
(#3): General Motors LS1
(#4): Ford 300 I6
(#5): Chevy 427
(#6): Chrysler 225 Slant Six
(#7): Cummins 5.9L I6 Turbo Diesel
(#8): Chevrolet 454
(#9): Ford 351 Windsor
(#10): Ford 427 SOHC

Wave the flag...

>>16334644
its a luxury car and it makes over 700 lb ft at 2000-4000 rpm

just a tune takes it up to 670 and 840

>>16334652
nope theyre not good

ancient boat anchors that are understressed to high hell have no place in a performance car

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>>16334688
>blog by Summit Racing
>unbiased
They only wanna sell more crate engine pham.

>>16334688
why would you post some boomer garbage website powered by Summit lmao

and even then their own list sucks

426 HEMI sucks
454 is overrated
225 and 300 are literal boat anchors
LS1 is worse than iron equivalents
351 Windsor is worse than 351 Cleveland
427 SOHC is racing special snowflake

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>>16334709

>351 Windsor is worse than 351 Cleveland

This is the only statement from your post that I agree with. The 351C is amazing.

>>16334614
>>16334621
damage control
stay mad that gm is unreliable shit

>>16334644
look at where the power is made my friend :^)
also with a tune they are over 800hp...

>>16333555
>Says that American cars are made to look like

>Transformers. Not the other way around.

>>16334426
Judging by the decals, your picture is a car of an american plumbing company that was sold in some shithole country as a used car.

>>16333536
When either of those become true

>look at where the power is made my friend :^)
>also with a tune they are over 800hp...

All that power will only get you to the dealership faster.

800HP from a 6l TT V12 is still unimpressive as fuck, that torque figure is still unimpressive considering the displacement and number of cylinders plus twin turbskies. A stock supercharged V8 makes that much power and TQ with a pulley swap. A twin turbo LS couldn't make that little power even on the lowest tune.

Nice engineering Germany ;)

>>16334784
What does the number of cylinders even have to do with it?

>>16334784
>have to swap out or add parts to get that much power on a LS

good engineering there

Germany doesnt need to change any parts

>>16334497
HP/LB > HP/CID

Also who the fuck even buys a V12 luxobarge for engine tuning? Richfags usually aren't boyracers.

>>16334800
so basically

you complain about the power

then you damage control when a easy way to get more is posted

gg no re 2ez

>>16334809
>4chan is only two people

>>16334790

You'd think more cylinders would give you more power, not in Europe I guess.

>>16334793

That engine is unreliable as fuck in stock form. """""""""""with just a tune''''''''''''''''''''''"" -ing it is only going to make it worse, plus you can kiss your warranty goodbye.

>>16334784
>800HP from a 6l TT V12 is still unimpressive as fuck
its an udnertuned luxury car engine you fucking mongoloid
sorry that americans cant into real engineering and instead shove literal truck engines into plastic taxis with a different badge and label it 'luxury'

>A stock supercharged V8 makes that much power and TQ with a pulley swap
nope, an lt4/ls9/lsa will not ever make 700lb-ft below 3000rpm. keep dreaming and cry more faggot

>>16334818
>You'd think more cylinders would give you more power
Nobody thinks that actually.

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>>16334818
>That engine is unreliable as fuck in stock form
Youre confusing it with gm trash, the s65 engine is plenty reliable

stay absolutely butt blasted, gmcuckboy

>>16334818
>That engine is unreliable as fuck in stock form.

lolwat

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>>16333536
>full blown barely legal track car with insane aero kit is slower than 3 tone luxury gand tourer
>both on ring and quarter mile
when will americucks ever learn?

>>16334830
>>16334834

I meant the Mercedes V12 was unreliable...

>>16334838
except it isnt?

>>16334838
It really isn't. There were some inbetween iterations that didn't reach the glory of the '90s M120 because they cut costs, but none of them were ever actually unreliable. The M120 in particular is so understressed that it'll pull your Benz around for hundreds of thousands of miles. Pagani have put their money on Benz blocks since their inception.

>>16334819
>its an udnertuned luxury car engine you fucking mongoloid

So it's okay for you guys to make undertuned un-reliable engines but we can't make reliable undertuned high performance engines?

Nice logic

>>16334819
nope, an lt4/ls9/lsa will not ever make 700lb-ft below 3000rpm.

Yes. Go watch one of the million youtube videos or forum posts on how to do it. Chevy V8's are flexible when it comes to tuning them which is why they're used in so many aftermarket applications. You can tune them for mad torque or mad HP, you choose. It's like a delicious subway sandwich of power.

>>16334741
I don't care about GM. JD Power just has no credibility

>>16334852
>The M120 in particular is so understressed that it'll pull your Benz around for hundreds of thousands of miles.

kek. That's quite the accomplishment.... It it the late 1800's or something? Guess you guys are finally upgrading from horses.

>>16334863
lmao this fanboy is getting hilarious now

what Mercedes raped your shitbox

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>>16334863
>un-reliable engines
its not unreliable

>but we can't make reliable undertuned high performance engines?
no you actually cant, as evident by the lt1 shitting itself under 10k miles and the lt4 being an overheating turd

>Yes
no. pic related, same power and still notorque in comparison roflmao

>>16334900

lmao that NA V8 is almost making the same power as that TT V12. How does Mercedes sleep at night?

>>16334913
c7 z06

>>16334913
please be a troll

>>16334924
>>16334935

Having to photoshop a dyno chart title to defend Germany....

I can see why you Germans are always angry.

>>16334943
i used paint :^)

>>16333920
>Tax rebates for the company
>cheaper to get in a fleet
>easy to replace parts since domestic cars
>Ford/Chebby in every corner

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>>16333536
>When will people finally admit that American cars are good, and that German engineering is a meme?

When the Covette laps the ring faster than a 911 GT2 RS- MAYBE

Faster than the 918 Spyder? Yes.

Until then, fuck off with your pigfat burgersleeved V10 lap times

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>Saleen
>slower than the E46 coupe

>>16333555
>>16333566
Fucking check'd

Does America even have one good sports car that's still being made that people can actually afford? My grandfather always told me that the Corvette represented American sports cars but that seems to be a thing of the past.

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>>16335136
i mean... mustangs and camaros may not be sports cars but they are probably the best cars you can get at the price point. They manage to beat out 370z nismos, The mx-5 gets beat by the ecoboost and they are both about the same price aswell

>>16333566
>still buy german
nope, i warn people against purchasing those temperamental machines.

>>16335136

The corvette starts at $50k. Most people can afford that.

>>16335136
Most of /o/ can't even afford the cars they shitpost about. Bunch of back seat drivers lol

>>16333536

i do think this is true at the lower of the market. I don't think anything americans made is as refined as Porsche though

>>16333555
You know absolutely nothing.

>>16333536
When it actually becomes true.