And Low and behold kia enters the Sport car world with a

>>16239906
knowing kias in general, this one probably has nothing but plastic, some shit leather, and all the dashboard pieces rattle like a motherfucker

I miss the days where cars would make power from their engine

So where's this gonna sit in the market? Somewhere up against the 340i? I mean, I doubt they'd just launch a head-on attack on the M3.

No one is going to buy it

jesus christ that's one ugly car

>>16239906
Shitty modern car design

>>16239930

2017

It going after the 3 series and A4.

>>16239921

you probably never been in any kia above there low end models.

>>16239946
does kia even make anything that isn't a low end model? and if so why would anyone buy it?

>>16239946
>you probably never been in any kia above there low end models.
theres nothing but low end models dude. These things are notorious pieces of shit

>>16239906
>modern pigfat sedan that needs two turbos to not hold up traffic
>sports car
pick one

>>16239936

Think it depends on how it priced, a low priced RWD TTV6 will get people buying as a tuner car.

>>16239906
Is that a genesis coupe front end?

>probably over 3500lbs with a 4cyl engine

Turbos need to fuck off forever

The window sill level is not nearly high enough. This will never sell.

All that chrome plastic.

>>16239951

K900 and Cadenza. Car and driver loved the Cadenza, and The Kia minivan is there go to minivan.

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>>16239946
>kia is luxurious

MY FUCKING SIDES

HOW FAR OUT OF TOUCH ARE YOU WITH REALITY

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>>16239960

A bit different

>>16239987
>retards on /o/ will think those body panels are real

>>16239987
Is that supposed to be disguising how ugly the car is? Because it's not working.

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>>16239998
>retards on /o/ will think this is a serious contender to anything

>>16239906

The fuck is goign on with this design?

The roof anf front both look like they melted.

Those taillights cutting into the side would look cool on an 80s car but look retarded on this.

The rear wheels look hilariously small.

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>>16239982

cadenza is fine in its price range.

>>16239906
I'm getting one when it launches, already lined up to roll my current Kia lease into it with the preferred Lessee deal.

I cant wait to have it desu

>>16239946
Except it's rumored to have 390hp and 390lb ft of torque.. Where as the A4 only has 250 and the BMW 300.

>>16239946
>kia
>making ANYTHING BUT low end models

>>16240031
Sounds like I might compete with the Charger R/T lol

>>16240045

>its still 2009 guyz

>people constantly shitting on low end automakers trying to punch above their weight

Its like you idiots want them to keep making garbage and just let the top end cuck you with inflated prices.

Competition is a good thing, would you idiots say the same thing about Honda in the 80's? Should they have stayed making cheap garbage?

>>16239906
TTV6 making 390hp/394lb-ft. I think this little gem would be great to scoop up in the used market a few years from now. Give it a CAI, downpipe, and tune and you could possibly break the 400whp mark.

>>16240060
>Should they have stayed making cheap garbage?
As opposed to what? Remaining underpowered as usual, but then also becoming pigfat?

>>16240060
Honda does make cheap garbage, they've never done anything else.

>>16240069
You can buy buy 2014 mustang and do that with a $4 grand supercharger.

>>16240060
Yeah but Honda also made f1 engines at the time
What the fuck has KIA ever done?

>>16240084
You say that like $4k isn't a lot of money.. Plus you could also need supporting mods.

CAI,DP,tune combo would be about $1.3k

>>16240018
This would compete against an Avalon or impala though. Near luxury but not quite there.

>>16239906
Boner.gif

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>>16239906
I wish theyd bring back deep dish wheels and wide wheel arches. Positive offset wheels look like dog shit.

Also this cars designer needs to be taken out back and shot

>>16240080
Cheap and reliable =/= garbage. Objectively the fit and finish of every honda on the market has improved drastically compared to similar offerings from competitors. There is literally nothing wrong with an Accord for example, other then being boring for enthusiasts.

>>16240091
They made cars, some people bought them. They are objectively improving.
>someone hasn't made an F1 engine therefor they shouldn't try to make better cars for the USDM

I'm not saying you have to buy fucking KIA, but jesus acting like they are not allowed to encroach on other price points is fucking stupid.

Or I guess we could assign price points and predefined automotive catagories and only allow each automaker to sell at that level, like some kind of retarded communist shithole.

That way they never have to worry about any possible competition!

>>16240124

Horrible on Airflow, And puts stress on the wheel hub.

>>16240150
Honesty why would anyone shit on the underdog? I'm always excited for new kias, Hyundais, etc. because they are introducing something different and possibly unique that's never been seen before in the industry. And at a lower price with good reliability and quality

>>16239946
Pipe down there Kimchee, Kias and Hyundais are fucking basic gook garbage.

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>>16239906
That actually looks p nice desu

if you flashed that image in front of me i would never guess what car it is, make or model

they did a good job on making a very forgettable expensive kia, just like the genesis luxury (the brand(s) still have a stigma in NA)

>>16240171
>with good reliability and quality
but those are blatantly false

>>16240194
The front kind of reminds me of a veloster and the back some kind of newer lincoln

I don't see anything wrong with it other then some idiot driving a government motors shitbox made in mexico making fun of you for not buying """AMERICAN"""

>>16240206
Haaaa yoooo donn say anyteng bad abbout Korreaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh >_<

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>>16240206
The automaker was rated the No. 1 brand in J.D. Power's annual survey of new model reliability, making it the first nonluxury brand to top the list since 1989.

"Ten years ago they were on the other end [of the rankings] and they've been slowly moving up, and moving up by leaps and bounds in the last few years," said Renee Stephens, vice president of U.S. automotive quality at J.D. Power.

Last year, the brand ranked No. 2.

Now, we can take some weight off of this ruling because >JDPOWER, but to suggest they aren't making improvements, and are somehow worse than other companies is blatantly retarded.

>>16240232
>making improvements
Everyone's making improvements.

>>16240232
>The female vp of shill quality at shilling inc magazine says they're making improvements

Rad.

>>16240241
What made you think this was a relevant counterpoint, clearly every company is trying but several are not succeeding based on failure rates, declining sales, and declining market share.

>>16240264
Not an argument. Find me a source that says Kia is any worse than other manufacturers listed in that chart, the burden of proof is now on you.

>>16240302
But everyone is making improvements, that statement is completely abstract and will always be true.

> driving a Hyundai
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yycd5qRTD-Q

>>16239921

That's why you pay 10k less than other brands. That's why you lease it and give it back before it starts to fall apart.

>>16240302

Yo, owner of a 2013 Kia Forte Koup here. At 50K miles the top end is louder than my 160K mile Sunfire with the Quad 4 in it and the front end rattles something fierce.

Interior panels are assorted plastics, some rattles here and there, not the worst but it's ok for a lower end model.

FWIW I think it was a good purchase, but I won't say Kia is some high end awesome brand over it.

>>16240232
Fuck off, faggot.

That image has been debunked as complete bullshit more than 100 times but faggots like you keep reposting it.

>>16240312
Please elaborate how this statement is relevant to the discussion of the reliability of the Kia brand.

"everyone is getting better" is not a counterpoint to "Kia is making improvements"

I'm trying to understand the point you are making here.

If you are suggesting that "everyone improved at the same rate therefor kia is still at the bottom" is blatantly untrue, even if we ignore various publications we can look at the market share as a whole and see staggering dropoffs with brands like Mitsubishi or Nissan for example.

>>16240369
Everyone is making improvements. Prove that they aren't. You can't because everyone is making improvements.

>>16239946

t. park bong duk

>>16240351
[citation needed]

>>16240342
That's unfortunate, but at what, 15k? MSRP you are already quite near the bottom. Entry level shitboxes and all that.

I do wish GM kept Pontiac around.

>>16240374
Prove to me they are, the burden of proof is on you for making the statement to begin with.

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>>16240124
There's a reason for that offset, it puts the steering axis closer to the center of the tire. The distance between the center of the tire and where the steering axis hits the road is called the scrub radius, and having the scrub radius as close to zero as possible is much better for steering. It reduces steering effort, it reduces torque steer, and it reduces kickback from road surface inconsistencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUDMEd1bMZI

>>16240398
Who made the "making improvements" statement first? Too much kimchee affecting your short term memory, you fucking idiot gook

>>16240404
FUCK yeah I love scrub radii nigga

>>16240405
I'm still waiting for you to back up any of your claims.

>>16240437
You still fail to provide evidence of your claims. You made the claims, correct? We agree on that, now you much provide proof of evidence to support your claims which you have posited. I'll be waiting.

>>16240453
Couldn't help but notice there was no evidence provided in your last post. Would you like some time to find it, I can wait.

>>16240460
I'm still waiting again for your to back up your claims.

>>16240453
The only claim I made was that Kia has gotten more reliable as a brand and made improvements. I provided evidence.

All you have said is "Everyone has made improvements". Lets ignore for a fact that this is a retarded counterpoint, and I am still waiting for any evidence to even prove this is even true.

>>16240475
>>16240475
I'm still waiting for you to prove it. You made a claim and as far as I'm concerned it is an opinion until you can provide hard facts to support it.

>>16239951
>>16239954
>>16239982
>>16240045
>>16240178
>>16240380
>kia offering a rwd twin turbo sedan when no other car manufacturer besides luxury nameplates have anything similar
>everyone whines

you're not enthusiasts. get the fuck out.

>>16240490
>>kia offering
You're not an enthusiast, get the fuck out Jing Pee Park

i love it kia went from a shit company to an auto giant by only catering to what you fucking retards can actually afford


all of you want nice shit but lets face it..... a twin turbo kia that eats up an m3 or fuck even comes close stock isnt bad for somthing that you know will have a sick kdm market and be cheap as fuck AND HAVE DAT 100k 10 year warrenty like damn lose the illusions of being a badge whore and look at performance per dollar in the new car segment and this thing kills it


also props to kia for making sure the us used car market has super cheapperformance cars

my mom had a kia can and it was p nice

>>16240496
>also props to kia for making sure the us used car market has super cheapperformance cars
Consumers made that 'used car market' because no one wants a fucking Kia, they're unreliable and they get exposed after people buy them and quickly turn them around to the used car market. It's flooded with FUCKING GOOK GARBAGE and that's a point of pride for you? Kek

>>16240486
>>16240232


http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/cars/consumer-reports-best-and-worst-car-brands-in-2016-include-audi-subaru-and-lexus-1.11504841
>top 10
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
>another .1% market share gain in 2016
http://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability/car-brands-reliability-how-they-stack-up/
>more evidence

Your turn, I'm still waiting for you to post anything.

>>16240502
[citation needed]

>>16240514
{citation needed}
Nice 'proof' fag, but those are internet links. Internet links aren't proof. I'm starting to believe you don't have any actual hard evidence.

Nice desu senpai.
We need more RWD manual cars.

>>16239906
>V6
Gay. Let me know when it's a superior I6 instead of some ecogook bullshit. BMW had it for over 10 years, what's Gyookdai and Kia think they're doing? Kek

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>>16240404
Still doesn't change the fact it looks like dog shit Mate.

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>>16239906
>And Low and behold kia enters the Sport car world with a RWD Twin turbo Sedan.
I for one think this is fucking excellent. Cheap RWD tarbo goodness, and/or possible fast shitheap to affix hektik mods to in near future.

>>16240563
RWD tarbo goodness is nice, but we don't need cheap shit in that configuration. You know?

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>>16240404
And you put skinnies on a front for steering. Big wide fatties on the back for grip.

>>16240526
Whats your address, senpai? I'll mail you a catalog and some printouts.

>>16240544
>Turboed RWD I6 thats not a BMW moneypit
Yes please.

>>16240544

Even the gooks at Kiaundai are smart enough to not use a I6. Go on with your 6 foot long 250hp boat anchor.

>>16240567
We need more of that configuration at every price point.

>>16240587
But not at every shit tier of build quality. Kia needs to stick to shitbox rios and economats or whatever the fuck it is. Let the big boys of engineering do the performance stuff, no need to insult the entire segment with this generic samsung appliance horseshit.

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>>16240567
>but we don't need cheap shit in that configuration. You know?
Why not? It'll make that performance and enjoyment available to more, bot first and second hand. Shit, with a bit of luck, it might drive down used prices for nicer RWD cars, so we can get our grubby mittens on those too.
And as for the whole WORST KOREA A SHIT schtick, I don't really buy into it in the first place, and I like that they're trying to evolve their products into something better.
>Inb4 a slew of barely coherent slurs of little to no substance

>>16240606
>I don't really buy into it
You don't buy into facts? Sounds like pro-gook-economy self-delusion propaganda to me....

>>16240620
Alright, you've got nothing. Got it.

>>16240604
you smell like communism, fuck off

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>>16240631
>>16240635
Crafty pro-gook shills pls go

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>>16240646
t. mexican working at GM plant

>>16240490
No one is whining about that

they're whining that its a fucking kia

>>16240578
How about some raw statistical data documents gathered by an independent research firm, rather than consumption media magazines and pamphlets. Until then I can't take you seriously.

>>16240646
Lower class twat who deals with his rapidly encroached upon status and relevance in society by trying to affirm his cultural and racial superiority via crude and outdated stereotypes, pls go

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>>16240682
>>16240658
So, these triggered replies do confirm shillgooks working for Hyunkia on behalf of Korean government pro-Korea campaigns?

>>16240703
>Assmad E36 owner just realized his open-diff, 140 horsepower ULTIMATE DARWIN MACHINE is now even more worthless

>>16239906
>Sedona legitimately better than any other minivan
>Tuscon/Santa Fe/Sportage/Sorento all decent mallcrawlers
>Genesis G80 a legit alternative to 5-Series
>Genesis G90 a legit alternative to 7-Series
>K900/Cadenza legit alternative to Avalon/Continental
>Sonata/Optima better than Camry
>Elantra/Forte better than Corolla
>Accent is bulletproof
>next-gen Veloster is a mid engine rear drive beast
>OP thing

There is literally nobody trying as hard as Hyundai/Kia right now, and you have to respect that.

>new Genesis coupe when?
Their only glaring omission.

>>16240713
>projecting
If only, my relentless gook marketeer

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>>16240722
>someone typed this

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>>16240672
>raw statistical data documents gathered by an independent research firm

You should have ended the ironic shitposting at the >links comment, but the WSJ article is indeed raw sales data fampai.

>>16239922

>he doesnt know what the third stroke in a cycle is

>>16240725
Ah, now I get it. Sour grapes.
Have fun on the bus.

>>16240743
Nope, the WSJ document is a consumer media publication piece. Try again. Contact the research firm compiling the data and send me their documents. You can't do that? You can only post links and newspaper articles? Looks like you have no proof.

>>16240752
>Third stroke
Hey, some of us never make it that far.

It's more common than you think!

>>16240762
, gook.

>>16240729
>I have no rebuttal so please be distracted by my funnae pic lol

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>>16240713
He doesnt have an E36, hes rocking this widebody turbodiesel shooting brake.

>>16240776
>rebuttal
>his hot opinions
lol why is this gook so assblasted?

>>16240762
http://www.motorintelligence.com/m_frameset.html

ironic shitposting is still shitposting fampai

Still waiting on any of your sources :^)

>>16240777
No, that bus doesn't redline at 8500. Guess again we have all night and you've got lots of guessing to do

>>16240762
>"I demand proof!"
>Is handed, on a platter, raw data
>"That proof is not pure enough"

It's over, buddy, and has been for quite a while.

>>16240789
I can't understand your biased third hand sources. I'm looking for hard evidence, gook. Kia and Hyundai are still relative shit, that's science.

>>16240782
Oh, sorry, did you say something? I couldn't hear it without the included le epic maymay picture regarding some anime subject.

>>16240799
Of course you couldn't hear it. Open the little gook slits and READ it, Park!

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>>16240722
>next-gen Veloster

Only a concept for now.

Turn your trip on, Jap boy

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>>16240787
A bus that redlines at 8500, you say?
>Traitorous Nippon slanteye babykilling Nanking waeguk-saram detected

>>16239972
Honestly,
I get they make great power, but fuel economy is the same and reliability is surely worse

>>16240803
Reading is for Americans.

>>16240789
The original anon with the retarded "hue everyone is improving" is long gone, I'm just bored enough to keep responding to this guy >>16240796

>>16240796
Anyway, if you give me enough time I can maybe find an americans with disabilities act compliant source that can dumb it down for you.

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>>16240809
>you will never drive cross country in this while snorting coke off the dash

why even live

>>16240820
Yeah, take your time. Ask your supervisor for another prepared list of misleading, non-comprehensive statistics and purchased PR spots.

>>16240722
If the Veloster is seriously MR, not an i3, and under $21k, I will never talk shit about Kia again.

But it's not happening.

They keep making these MR Veloster hackjobs and showing them at SEMA and shit for YEARS.

It's not a concept for a car they'll actually make. It's just shitty marketing.

>>16239906
This thing will have the numbers but will be a numb and boring piece of shit like every other Korean "sports" car.

>>16240846
I said turn your trip on. Can't you read?

>>16240809
FUCK

I'm importing this and making a camper out of it.

>>16240837
In the meantime you can provide proof of this, since you seem to have taken this side of the discussion >>16240312 , or even once source showing how Kia is shit tier reliability. Still waiting.

Also
>sales data and market share figures are misleading

top kek, good one.

>>16239906
Unless it has a LSD, rwd is an expensive and counterproductive meme.

>>16240846
That's the problem. But again, maybe not a problem. Stupid casuals will be the ones buying this plastic built-to-print junk and the real cars will be left alone with no one smearing the name of performance. This is why we need Hyundais and Kias in this world, but the casuals. So thank you Kia for sacrificing yourselves to the plebs.

>>16240854
In the meantime you can shut the fuck up and get your facts in order. lol seriously, where's YOUR proof? You don't have any! Hyundai warranty, now what?

>>16240849
Not a tripfag but ok. Simply going off the genesis coupe and veloster turbo, I don't know where anyone is basing their faith in this thing on.

>>16240866

No that's not okay. Anyways seeing how you whimper away from confrontation and you still samefag and "this" to your own comments, you are still the pussy from before.

I'm glad I humiliated you last time.

Bye.

>>16240858
>be me
>daddy bought me a 3 series for sharing my boipussy with him
>be at red light
>some faggot in a korean gook spaceship pulls up alongside
>i rev my 700lb boat anchor at him
>he rolls his eyes and turns up his music to drown out my leaking exhaust
>i floor it as my gut rolls back towards my neck from the torque and it almost suffocates me but i press on
>i am several car lengths in front
>CEL dings
>go home and masterbate

fuckin gooks got rekt
t. enthusiast

>>16240881
Dude. That "numb and boring" post was literally my first comment in this thread. I'll admit I didn't feel like reading the rest of the thread so maybe I'm beating a dead horse.

But I stand by what I've said. No korean sports car has gotten the handling and steering down so I don't think a big RWD 4 door is going to change that.

>>16240865
Still waiting for any valid counterclaim.

Responding to this post without a source means you admit Kia is a godmachine and you are just a bored shitposter trying to pass the time until your time in the cuck shed is over.

>>16240917
Kia's fucking garbage. Ask an owner.
Source: http://www.carcomplaints.com/Kia/

>>16240917
Kia's have unreliable engines and are currently embroiled in legal action against them
Source: http://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2016/kia-theta-engine-lawsuit-gdi-engines-problems.shtml

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Nearly half of the posts in this thread is from one person. You have been warned.

>>16240937
Is it me? You're a good guy.

>>16240934
>>16240928
Carcomplaints is a consumer media publication forum. Try again. Contact a research firm compiling data and send me their documents. You can't do that? You can only post links and forum posts? Looks like you have no proof, Cucks. Lmao rekt.

>>16240842


I could see Veloster mkII having multiple layouts/configurations. 3-door, 5-door, etc. The rear-drive one being the range-topper at a 28-30k starting price.

>>16240947
>Contact a research firm compiling data
Getting nervous?
The site is the first and only data compiler. The data it receives is directly from the source, owners. The site does not sell a publication or receive monies from car companies as the publication is not promotional.

Busted, gook.
Kia's have a class action lawsuit because they burn more oil than other cars
Source: https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/337085-kia-class-action-lawsuit-targets-engine-oil-defect/

>>16240937

*more than half

>>16240947
Burned Kia owners came up with their own hastag
#boycottKiaMotors Join in, all welcome.

>>16240947
http://www.kia-forums.com/2011-2013-xm-sorento-forum/155042-devastated-engine-blown-kia-wont-fix.html

http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/5330635-who-ll-pay-for-kia-owner-s-new-engine-/
Who will do it? Who will pay?

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>>16240965
>The lawsuit cites at least 19 customer complaints
>Still only "proposed"

OMG 19 PEOPLE FORGOT TO CHANGE THIER OIL THIS IS A SHOAH

Fucking lol, is this all you have? I waited an hour for THIS?

>>16240981
>twitter

Lmao LMAO.

KIA GODMACHINE.

>>16240986
>forum post
>opinion story

Lmao nice sources.

>>16240986

>goes 12k (presumably hard miles because woman) on a oil change and wonders why her engine "gets clogged up"

I bet her engine was low on oil for most of it's life and she probably ignored that "genie lamp light" All they have to do is look at the fault codes in the ECU and tell her to fuck off.

The moral of the story is: Take care of your shit or lease it and give it back before it explodes.

>>16241010
>When your defects so strong it gets it's own domain name
https://www.kiampgclasssettlement.com/
KEK

>>16241030
Holy Fuck Kia settled for 70Million? That's got to suck so hard.

>>16241025
>2016
>Kia's don't change their oil by themselves

shit tier gook engineering

>>16240502

No fucks like you made that market, they refuse to see any improvement in quality as such the resale value drops like a rock.

>>16241038
>Gooks recall engines because of oil changes
>believes that
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/hyundai-sonata-engine-failures-prompt-recall

Rule of thumb: Settling and recalling =/= negligence

>>16241038
>more warranty denial
https://community.cartalk.com/t/warranty-problem-regarding-a-blown-engine-on-a-kia-sedona/90489

This one is probably you
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/3zjhe6/kia_dealership_refusing_to_honor_warranty/

>>16241035
>https://www.kiampgclasssettlement.com/
Unfortunately, some appeals have been filed in connection with the settlement and this has halted settlement payments. Until the appeals are resolved by the courts, we are not able to mail out settlement payments. We apologize for the inconvenience and will continue to provide updates to this website.

>>16241030
Every class action, even those with no settlement have a domain. Lel fucking idiot.
Take the DRAM one for example
http://www.dramclaims.com/
i scored 80$ off this shit.

>>16240604

Big boys of engineering?

You mean like the Guy who was in charge of BMW for years who now runs the Performance and Development at Kia Hyundai.

>>16241051
>>16241038
>>16241056
http://www.kia-forums.com/3g-2011-2016-sportage/181570-totally-lost-ripped-off-kia-their.html

>>16241051
>cartalk
>reddit

nice sources

>>16241042
we have already established that consumer reports is an invalid media publication, fampai.

>>16241057
>forum post

So far all these cucks have yet to prove Kia isnt the most reliable car on the market, much less somehow worse than any garbage shat out by anyone else.

>>16241056
>the guy
>engineers (plural)
Enjoy BMWs sloppy seconds gook.
Sorry Kim Sook, but buying one guy isn't going to change your engineering teams lack of talent, just make you come out with BMW stuff 20 years late.

>>16241057

That's why I'm against turbo motors in econoboxes. You have to stay on top of oil changes on a turbo engine. I don't blame them for having such strict intervals and fucking you over if you you go way over the time period.

>>16241080
You think Kia engine are the norm for turbo but they're not. There are actually good turbo engines that are overbuilt and don't burn out their own oil. It's sad that people don't know that exists. Hyundai thinks they can just take an old Mitsu engine architecture and be as reliable as everyone else. That's what untalented gooks that just don't get it really believe they can do and get away with it.

>>16241093
>There are actually good turbo engines that are overbuilt and don't burn out their own oil.

Name one.

>>16241093

Even expensive ass Japanese engineered Subaru's blow their engines before 50k miles all the time. If even they still can't get their shit together I don't blame KIA for fucking up a couple engines.

>>16241115
1.8T owner here, the germans can't do it either.

>>16241115
It's a class action and recall "couple of engines" bruh. Come on don't be a Kia babby just accept it.

>>16241093

What turbo cars have you owned, Ive own two Boosted Economy cars, both of burned there own oil.

>>16241114
The Swedes have been doing ultra-reliable turbo engines forever why are you on this board if you ask such questions? Wait. No, I get it that's exactly why you're on THIS BOARD

>>16241125

Because having a faulty airbag is so much better right?

>>16241114
Volvos never die.

>>16241125

Kia had an issue with there turbo engines blowing because they used weren't rated for how hot cylinder 4 would get and would break crack the plug.

>>16241141
>>16241150

Because they have a 2.5l 600lb chunk of cast iron putting out 140hp @ 2.5 psi... hardly an engineering feat.

>>16241133
I bought a 1988 turbo Japanese I4 with 200+ on it in 1999 and when I took it for emissions testing, the tech said it had better readings than a brand new 99 Civic non turbo. That engine when I bought it had a collapsed lifter for so long from a lack of oil change that eventually the rocker arm snapped from whacking so hard. I bought that car in that condition, changed the rocker arm, changed the oil and then registerd it and took it for the emission test I mentioned above.

>abused so bad a rocker arm snapped
>ran perfectly after just replacing it
>never burned any oil

So, I don't forgive shitty engineering in 2016.

>>16241141
Gee, I don't know why I would ask for an answer to an automotive claim on a board about automobiles. You type like a schizo.

Anyway, SAAB had problems with turbos and oil burning, Koineggieregg is hardly a consumer car, I don't know much about Volvo.

>>16241160
it is for swedes

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>>16239921
So ur saying its a WRX STI?

>>16240952
>I could see Veloster mkII having multiple layouts/configurations. 3-door, 5-door, etc. The rear-drive one being the range-topper at a 28-30k starting price.

You're just an idiot if "you could see that", sorry.

You don't take a FF platform and then suddenly put an engine and drivetrain the back. It doesn't work like that at all. This isn't legos or some shit.

If they made a MR Veloster, it would be on its own platform. They aren't going to simply offer a "MR option" on the Veloster that's made for FF.

>>16241275
Go easy on him, he's just a kid.

>>16241080
Using a turbo that requires oil in a shitbox is pretty retarded.

There should be no need for it. And oil-less turbo should be fine.

>>16240807
>I actually like a Veloster

Fug

>>16241312
Ya. Why do we even need oil is it a fucking scam? They just want to make you buy the stuff when you don't really even need it. And why can't we have cars with an engine in the front and the back? There could be a performance model with gas engines at each wheel why don't they do that they're so dumb.

>>16241323
True dat. They should put a engine inside the car then they can get rid of the heater parts and save weight too. Why don't these fags ever think of this stuff how dum r they?

>>16241323
Stop trying to be cute, faggot.

Oil-less turbos exist. They have existed for a long time.

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>>16241378
Hell yeah nigga
>complains about oil lines to econobox turbos
>expects exotic, expensive, unproven long-term oil-less turbos in econobox instead
sounds legit

>>16240604
Man u mad big time.

>Probably beaten by a 4cyl Koup

>>16240713
Kek.

>>16241404
just do a fucking engine swap like in forza

ezpz

>>16241160
Kek that is true. Never been impressed with volvo. Look at their performance line you can find 10 years old used cars for 500$.
The only thing they can make right are slow bricks.

saewol sinking BEST DAY OF MY FUCKING LIFE

>>16240490
They're whining because Kia is going to try upselling their shit as "luxury" to compete with the real luxury brands.

>>16241275
An "MR option" wasnt implied, geez m8. However, there is absolutely nothing stopping the from badging two platforms under the same moniker. Renault literally did that for the Clio/V6.

And what do you think the MR Veloster concepts are based on anyway?

Protip: existing FF Velosters.

>>16241538
Rofl.

The MR Renault Clio shares little in common with the FF one.

As per wiki
>The Clio V6 was based on the Clio Mk II, though it shares very few parts with that car.

Thanks for unknowingly reaffirming my point, you moron.

>>16241653
Yay, you know how to Wikipedia.

It is clear from this entire thread that you enjoy being a dense motherfucker...

Did your mother never let you speak your mind growing up?

>>16241744
That's not an argument.

>>16241752
Is that all you're used to? Is that all daddy did with mommy anon? Arguments? Tell me, I'm here to help.

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>want to buy a european car
>mfw i can't because i remember i'm poor and can only afford japanese

>>16241970
No no, Korean. You can only afford Korean.

>>16240722
>>next-gen Veloster is a mid engine rear drive beast
Finally a new MR after MR2, fiero and that smart one.
Fucking honda almost competed and made a de sol but they descided to be honda and fuck it up. I'm amazed they didn't make it MF.

There was also the hyundai tiburon that was a legit, nice sports car.

So korean cars are finally hope!
I still cover the brakes whenever I see a cheap kia infront of me on the road tho.

>>16240232
>initial quality
>meaning anything
Pick none.
Just test drive any kia/hyundai versus even a corolla and you'll feel how unrefined the korean cars are

>>16239906
>Low and behold
People like you are a diamond dozen, OP.

>>16239921

every korean car i've been in looks like they copied the interior of a japanese car from a photograph. there's something very 2 dimensional about it.

>>16239906
i like it
i'm a poorfag so if it's as nice as infiniti but cheaper than i'll lease it

>>16242626
For all intense and porpoises, we all know what he meant to say.

>>16239906
>twin turbo
>sedan
>'sports car'
>22 inch wheels

pass

>>16242773
This, what the fuck is up with throwing on more and more unsprung mass and inertial forces.

I know that in 2025 we'll have 30" wheels as per the trend, but for fucks sakes I hate the general public and the diameter race.

>>16239906
Um, this is news? Regardless I'm not a big fan of the styling.

>>16239921
As a former KIA owner I concur

>>16239930
>Head on M3 attack
Oh god please no

>>16239946
>>16240490
>>16240060
This shit pisses me off as an enthusiast. Why won't a car company make a cheap, budget minded RWD sedan. That's what I was hoping this would be. Instead it follows the same bullshit formula of Hiked price for a budget/volume brand name? It's the Chevy SS all over again.

>>16240496
>>16240563
What makes you think this thing will be cheap if it's trying to compete with BMW and Audi? With that strategy expect mid to high 30Ks starting out.

Everyone shitting on modern Kia/Hyundai in here has a moral obligation to shit on every BMW M car as well.

>Albert Biermann has been chief of BMW M for 30 years
>Now he's the director of engineering at Hyundai/Kia
>b-b-b-b-but BMWs are better because they didnt make garbage 20 years ago!!!!!!!!

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/12/hyundai-hires-bmw-m-chief-engineer.html