https://www.outsideonline.com/21379 91/new-colorado-zr2-isnt

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>181 hp
Why is Ford the only company that takes initiative and gives people performance trucks?

>>16209019
>40k
>official pricing has yet to be released

Also 181 hp and 389 lb-ft isn't bad for what I'm assuming is a 4 cylinder diesel.

>inb4 butthurt gm fangirl

Fuck GM

>>16209087
No that's bad. Even for a DOOSEL.

>>16209087
>muh torque
Enjoy your 8 second 0-60 time

>>16209117
>he thinks 8 seconds for a diesel pickup is slow

>chebby
At least they're cheap to repair when they break down.

>>16209107
You're an idiot.

>diesel
>complaining about hp
OP and several others don't get the point of TRUCKS.

>>16209209
more like don't know what a diesel engine is.

>>16209209
>offroad
>diesel

>>16209213
>what is unimog
>what is literally every heavy duty machine like excavators n shit

>>16209213
Yes, go on.

>>16209213
>pick two

>>16209244
>>16209219
>>16209221
This won't hold a candle to the raptor

Diesel a shit

>>16209019
Can this thing even haul a lawn mower. Kek.

>>16209027
That's Dodge territory. Ford can have all the Raptors they want. But when you say performance truck, you say Dodge.

One word.
Hellram.

>>16209247
Now we know you are trying to bait hard or are legit retarded.

>>16209247
lel, the Raptor is a wimpy boy toy for dirt roads

meanwhile Unimogs with what you would declare too little power for a lawn mower do this all day long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjsStMS02J8

>>16209266
>i know chebby is trash but i am too ashamed to say it
>let me defend the cuckorado by using a mercedes & see if that works

jesus christ, chevy fangays will defend quite literally anything made by that trash brand

>>16209275
I'll take any diesel over a petrol in a truck, not just Chebby.

>>16209256
>non existent truck

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>>16209286
fair enough

anyone with enough brain cells to avoid chevy is a-ok in my book

>>16209117
It's a fucking truck

I swear you benchracers are the fucking worst. I could have the best lawnmower in the world and some faggot Chrysler garbage fanboy on here would say a hellcat is a better lawnmower because muh 0-60

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>>16209213
Are you a retard?

>>16209019
is it just me or is that rear wheel arch ridiculously small?

>>16209247
The raptor is for dirt road "off-roading"

Throw some rocks, steep embankments, and anything you can't 'throttle out' of into the equation, and it's toast my man.

Meanwhile diesel unimogs, diesel military transports, diesel BJ 40s, etc. blow the raptor out of the water

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>>16209117
>truck
>0-60 time

How's that bus pass, get it laminated?

>>16209300
It's got the same suspension clearance as in the front, it's just shorter because the front arch needs to clear the steering lock and the rear one doesn't. Won't leave a massive amount of space for upgrades though. Maybe you can pull off that plastic trim on the edge.

>>16209310
>damage control
The f150 has a 5.6 second 0-60 time. There's no excuse to be slow.

>>16209289
One does. Leaf dealership had a motor sent over and swapped it. Should be a production trim. We're overdue for another SRT Ram.

>>16209294
Except the raptor is faster in every aspect. It also handles better.

>inb4 power doesn't matter in a truck
Enjoy climbing a hill at 27 mph

>>16209319
It's a truck. If you're buying it to go fast you're a retard

>>16209319
Good for you, but no one buys a truck for its 0-60 time, just like no one buys a supercar for the luggage capacity and no one buys a roadster for the winter preparedness.

>>16209327
>what is tork

>>16209327
Enjoy not climbing a hill at all in your glorified mall crawler.

>>16209326
Not a production truck. Try again, autist.

>>16209333
False equivalency.
>>16209335
>what is reading comprehension
>>16209332
It's an off road truck. So, yes. People expect performance, dumbass

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>>16209344
Remind us again how much a raptor with the same equipment costs compared to this?

>>16209354
Not an argument

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>>16209376
>lol this $300k ferrari is faster than this $15k fiesta, ford is so shit price has nothing to do in vehicles performance!

>>16209380
>using "i'm poor" as an argument

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>>16209344
>off road
>fast

Do you live at bonneville salt flats? The Gobi desert? The central Khazakhstani steppe?

Here in America going fast off road is how you get every component of your vehicle fucked in seconds. Big rocks, logs, embankments, etc. tend to do that.

Seek mental help

>>16209019
>How will GM fangirls recover from this?
Outside of a Corvette, who would be a fanboi of GMC? Even the Camaro is slowing losing its appeal. I wouldn't be surprised if the Challenger replaces the Camaro as the 2nd best selling sports car in the USA in a few more years.

Holy fuck, you stupid autists are benchracing pickup trucks now? Fucking choke on your tendies

>>16209388
>using vehicles that cost five to ten times as much as an argument

>>16209344
>off-road
>people expect performance
Yeah let's see you go 0-60 on some fucking rocks holy shit you're really that fucking dumb

>>16209657
>using "i'm poor" as an argument

>>16209694
>still not addressing your pants on head retarded statement about going fast off-road even though like 8 people in this thread have brought up what a retarded fucking point it is

>>16209707
>implying horsepower isn't important offroad
Kill yourself

>>16209707
>implying
People go fast all the time off road. Ever heard of baja 1000? Diesel a shit. Get over it

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>>16209711
It is. So is torque. Having a shitload of torque is very nice.

I never said it's pointless, why the fuck even say that?

You can't back away from how fucking stupid you are by using straw man. You have been going on and on about off-road speed and 0-60.

Just admit you are fucking stupid. Say it.

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>>16209344
>False equivalency.
You dense mother fucker.

Being that they are NOT equivalent is his argument, you cock gargler. You obviously don't understand off-road performance, which is what sport trucks are commonly made for.

>>16209735
>torque
The Raptor already has 510 lb ft of torque at 3100 rpm.

The Raptor doesn't sacrifice hp for torque because it has both. Diesel a shit.
>>16209737
I understand diesel is trash

>>16209731
The Baja 1000 is babby off-road. The only thing that makes it good is the truly phenomenal vehicles they use that are purpose built for that terrain.

It's just flat fucking dirt.
Come up from 3rd world Mexico up to the states and you get actual rocks, fallen branches, embankments, boulders, sheets, etc. try going fast when you are actually off roads and pseudo roads

>>16209751
AGAIN you still won't admit how fucking retarded your point about off-road speed is. I'd like to see you try and clock a 0-60 in the Oregon Cascade mountain range

>>16209756
How am I retarded? All these ad hominems are getting annoying.

Diesel a shit

>>16209764
How about address how stupid the concept of going 60 when you are actually off-road is?

How about actually address the points I am bringing up instead of just claiming "diesel a shit"

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>>16209213
>tons of torque at low rpms
>bad for offroading

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>>16209774
>implying i said anything about 0-60 offroad
>implying people don't go 60 in baja racing
Lovin this damage control from Diesel fags
>>16209780
>implying the raptor doesn't deliver more torque
Diesel a shit

>>16209117

That's still faster than 98% of "sport scars" in Europe and Britain.

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>>16209783
>Raptors
>good for actual offroad use
no

What does a raptor have to do with diesels being used offroad anyways?

>>16209783
Again, I already addressed how stupid bringing up Baja racing is for any actual off road comparisons in America

They are just driving over dirt. No big rocks, no logs, etc. In actually challenging off-road environments the massive low end torques of Diesel engines are inherently superior.

Oh and the raptor... Nice independent suspension lol.
And fucking cast aluminum control arms.

Keep it on the flat dirt, it wouldn't last up in the mountains

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>>16209791
Because the raptor is better than this shitheap
>>16209796
>only the races i say count
Lol, stay mad

Diesel a shit

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>>16209803
>the raptor is da best offroader ever fords commercial told me so
>posting a pic of Nu males sky
how oddly appropriate

>>16209790
And of course you have cock gobbler trying to bring yurop vs murica shitpost to this already shit thread

>>16209808
Not an argument.

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>>16209803
I never said "only the races I say count" literal straw man.
No fucking races count. It's off-roading.

Keep damage controlling, the raptor cant handle what the big boys can. It's too soft, too poorly manufactured

>>16209815

awww did Chad in his diesel truck steal your gf? ;)

https://youtu.be/FrD7AI4XD_8

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>>16209820
Look kid. I've been offroading with raptors, two of my buddies owned one at a time. They are cool for what they are but they aren't made for real rough terrain, they are made for flat deserts in the south US.

Diesels a best. 6BT > fag-coboost

>>16209815

I'm pretty sure OP was a Euro... Of course they're butthurt because our compact trucks have more torque and HP than their heavy duty trucks.

>>16209833
This.

Keep the raptor on flat, smooth, cushy dirt. It won't last in the mountains

>>16209827
Reading comprehension.
>>16209833
Diesel a shit.

You've never been in a 2017 raptor. Keep talking out of your ass

>>16209833

B-BUT MUH DESERT RACING TRUCK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y_MAK3HCyw

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>>16209840
lolno

Nigger we invented diesel. We made the most powerful diesel you've ever seen. We ARE the diesel. So don't start talking about torque.

>>16209847
Saying "reading comprehension" isn't an argument, especially when I understood what you said to a T.

Have fun idolizing a shit vehicle that's as durable as a sheet of tin foil. Just keep it out of the hills, I don't like litter and coming across a couple thousand pound heap of scrap broken on the side of the road would be a hassle

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I love how no diesel cucks ITT can post the V6 raptor.

And then they start samefagging

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>>16209847
No, but I've been in 2016 one
>it's totally different because it's a model year newer
It's still and IFS truck kiddo.

You don't know shit about anything. Newfags should lurk, not post.

Diesels a best. I'd put the 6BT against anything you got and it would push ur shit in kid.

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>>16209868
They won't post the V6 because it makes more hp and torque. Diesel cucks are braindead, top lel
>>16209871
There isn't a 2016 Raptor.

>diesel fags now blatantly lying to sell their trash layout
Rotflmao

>>16209874
>buying a truck that can't actually off-road and has to stay on the pavement or dirt because of fragile fucking independent suspension featuring fucking ALUMINUM control arms. Absolute gold

Fuckin lol. Nice waste of money

>>16209881
The 2017 raptor doesn't have aluminum control arms.

>>16209874
Idk they defiantly sold them 2 years ago. Two of buddies both owned one.

We went offroading in slaughterhouse gulch and he tore the front bumper cover off his shit on a rock. He drives a Jeep Wrangler now.

Keep shilling for a truck you will never own busrider

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>>16209896
>got caught telling lies
>mad nobody believes them

>>16209842

if my long wheelbase, base F150 without the offroad package can handle the mountains I"m pretty sure the Raptor will do just fine.

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>>16209882
Hey, props to them. Only took a bunch of idiots tapping a stone and fucking their toys-r-us suspension up.

Now they have a 4130 steel control arm. A boxed, slotted control arm...
a fucking control arm...
An independent suspension...

This time they will have to hit a rock just a bit harder to fuck their shit up.
They upgraded from toys-r-us to Fischer Price

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>>16209904
>IFS
>mountainous
Yeah nah.

>>16209913
t. general motor's marketing department

>>16209871
why is is that the people that insist on calling people "kid" over and over are the hugest mouthbreathing faggots to disgrace this board?

there was no 2016 raptor, there was 2009-2014 and a completely new one coming for 2017. and and Cummins that isn't a pre-emissions commonrail 24v is an overrated piece of shit. you've probably never even been in one. eat shit and kill yourself cobraanon

>>16209917
there are other types of trails/offroading than just rock crawling, you know.

>>16209927
He's angry because he got caught lying.

It's expected from diesel cucks

>>16209921
>saying I'm GM marketing
>only vehicles I've posted itt are Toyota, Mercedes, and International Harvester

>>16209942
t. Gm's marketing team

>>16209927
The 12V was, IMHO better.

All mechanical, especially if you can get the P Pump version

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Lmao I casued trigger between the GM fangirsl lolz

>>16209927
>a completely new one coming for 2017

circlejerking over shit that isn't available yet is autistic as fuck. I bet you think the tesla "xxxx6383478" is going to be the second coming of Christ too?

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>>16209937
>Mountains
>rock crawling

>>16209927
ok kid

>Cummins that isn't a pre-emissions commonrail 24v is an overrated piece of shit
That's just your opinion man. 12v for life.

Early 6BTs are god tier
The early electronic ones are excessively loud.

>>16209947
there is no fucking turbo coyote, you fucking retard, just because you read it on a clickbait site that doesn't make it confirmed and you ought to be fucking ashamed of yourself for thinking so.

>>16209752
>>16209796

>The Baja is Flat

damn, It must suck to be this fucking stupid

http://i.imgur.com/L81JF8j.gif

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>>16209963
>that
>not flat
Flatlander pls go

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>>16209959
This. The turbo coyote is going in the GT500 which will be unveiled at the Detroit auto show in January 2017.

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>>16209949
how am I circlejerking? I stated that there is a new Raptor coming that's built on a new platform different from the old one. maybe you should work on your comprehension skills before you start judging others.

>>16209954
pic related

and 12v for life is your opinion. but diesels are my career. and frankly I wish Cummins had no share of the industry because there were only a few models of theirs that aren't complete trash.

>wanting a quiet diesel
go buy a Volkswagen

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>>16209959
>this much damage control

>>16209967
You are stupid, but you are also american, so its normal

>>16209963
>that
>anything but tiny little dirt knolls

God damn... you've lived in some inner city urban shithole your whole life haven't you?

>>16209983
see >>16209980

>>16209980
>ahahahaha ur dum American!

I suppose it is too much to expect someone from a third world country like yours to actually have a respectable level of discourse

>>16209971
nobody has officially confirmed what engine is going to be in the next GT500. if could just as easily be the 5.2L. regardless, that's completely irrelevant and does not change the fact that there is no TT V8 option for the Raptor and no official mention of a coming one. you can even go build one on Ford's website right now and the only option is the high-output 3.5L V6.

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>>16209979
>pic related
looks like a dirt road to me
also you know damn well IFS will not articulate as well as a Solid front axle.

>but diesels are my career
Good for you. On-highway or off?

I'm a heavy equipment mechanic. I actually love cummins, cheap parts and easy to service engines. Why do you hate them?

>>wanting a quiet diesel
Nah, 12v is quiet enough

>>16209980
Your gif is flat land. You have no idea the type of offloading were talking about.

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>>16209991
>my country
>3rd world
>says the american

kek!!

keep proving to be fucking dumb, the Baja is not Flat, you are a retard because you conflict flat terrain with elevation changes

>>16209995
It won't be a 5.2 dumbfuck.

And I never said there would be a V8 in the Raptor. Learn to read.

>>16209997
see >>16210005

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>>16210005
>>16210007
>because you conflict flat terrain with elevation changes
Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>16209979
>only a few models of theirs that weren't complete trash.

Fairly true.
I have a 48 foot yacht with 2 Cummins, let me tell you it's been nothing but a hassle. Every time I go on an outing it seems like something minor needs to be corrected.

That being said the P pump 4bt and 12v 6bt were phenomenal

>>16210006
and you know it won't be a 5.2L how? again, absolutely nothing has been confirmed.

>>16209947
this was the post I was referring to that states a Coyote engine was confirmed for the Raptor.

>>16210005
I'm actually worried for you. There is no way someone can actually not understand want flat ground is as opposed to mountainous, rocky terrain...

Must be the lack of disposable income in your hellhole country

>>16210011
are you? you can have flat terrain an elevation changes

the Baja is not flat, the roads are incredibly bumpy

>b-but there are no elevation changes like in this picture

again, proving you are a retard

>>16210017
Because the 5.2 won't make 800 hp.

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>>16210022
Alright, another tripfag for the filter then.

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>>16210022
Slightly Bumpy, yes.
But the grade (yes, elevation change, which matters when discussing speed off-road) is nil and the composition of the path is uniform.

In addition, the composition of the bumps are also fairly uniform, with none having a sharp enough profile to effect the speed at which the racing vehicles are allowed to operate. Which was my ENTIRE point of saying the Baja is a very poor example of American off-roading

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>>16210020
>amerifats
>talking about dispensable income
not when you spent all of it in healthcare and schoolarship debt kek!!!

>not understand want flat ground is as opposed to mountainous, rocky terrain
The Baja is not Flat, stop being sufking idiotic, just becase there are no elevation changes doesn't mean the roads are flat

and I am DIRECTLY quoting your retarded GM fangirl ass >>16209752

>>16210028
yet again, you know this how? there are supercharged GT350s making over 700.

>>16210035
>assdamaged and has to ragefilter

kek, detrippd'

>>16210041
>elevation changes

which is literally irrelevant, the baja is not composed of flat roads, see >>16210042

>>16210048
actually over 800whp. my bad.
http://www.svtperformance.com/2016/02/09/tech-shelby-gt350-supercharger/

>>16210052
>hurr durr I'm pretending to be retarded and people filter me
Sure is a great mystery...

>>16210042
>>16210052
Way to completely dodge my point about the profile of the bumps not being significant enough in scale or angle to change the speed at which the purpose built vehicles of the race operate.

Again, this was my fucking point from the beginning. Why ignore it?

Also, I'm not a GM fangirl, nor do I hate GM. I like ford a little bit more, but if I am a fangirl of anything it is probably Toyota

>>16210048
>supercharged
Exactly. Not n/a

>>16210066
a rockcrawler wouldn't even able to travel the baja roads at speeds higher than 10mph, let's not forget a 4wd prerunner has a lot more suspension travel and could actually rockcrawl and do the same off-roading as the lifted SUVs you have posted


Why are GM fangirls such a bother???

>>16210063
Nothing personal kid

>>16210080
My point was that you wouldn't be able to go fucking hyperspeed in mountainous terrain. Which is true.
I've never claimed that vehicles built for use in mountainous terrain would be able to travers the Baja track at high speeds.
And it is a fucking fact that Ford Raptor independent suspension garbage cannot handle the same punishment that high quality straight axle setups can.

None of my points have been refuted

>>16210070
nobody ever said anything about being naturally aspirated here. dumbass. this all started with some window licker posting some bullshit about the raptor having a turbo coyote, at which point another retard (you?) brought up the new GT500 completely out of the blue (while posting a picture of a GT which also had a V6) and stating that it would have a Coyote and most definitely, absolutely not the Voodoo even though there is an approximately 100% chance that you would have no way of having the slightest bit of a clue what engine that car will have in it.

any more questions?

>>16210099
because your points are fucking retarded kid

>>16210080
>a rockcrawler wouldn't even able to travel the baja roads at speeds higher than 10mph
yes and? No one made this claim you fucking retard.

>let's not forget a 4wd prerunner has a lot more suspension travel and could actually rockcrawl and do the same off-roading as the lifted SUVs you have posted
But an IFS axle which is weaker and even weaker still when it's at extreme angles with it's half shafts. It cannot handle the stress of power, harsh angles and large tires like a solid axle can. You don't wedge a IFS desert racing truck against a rock and then floor it.

God fuck, newfags should lurk, not post.

>>16210105
Then they should be easy to refute.
And I mean actually refute, not ad hominem and poor supposition

>>16210108
Fucking thank you. Someone in this thread with common sense that understands what an IFS actually fucking entails

>>16210101
Reading comprehension

>>16209344
>It's an off road truck. So, yes. People expect performance, dumbass

Ya hold on just let me smash into this rock wall at 60mph in under 8 seconds

Bump for more GM and pseudo offroaders damage control

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>>16209344
>people expect performance
Performance in off roading you fucking faggot, not racing

People who want racing performance build their fucking off roading vehicles from the ground up to do it

When off roading, we're not going 60 over rocks, we're in 4WD Low and slow

>>16212031
diesel a shit. and it won't deliver good 0-60 times

>>16212059
(you)

>>16212061
not an argument