ITT: we fix the Toyota 86 >the fix must be reasonable >Price

Replace shitty boxer with an i4, that'll give it room for turbos as an option and double wishbone suspension. That's all it needs.

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>Remove FA20
>Drop in 2.4L I4 (2AZ-FE) from the tC/Camry 4 cyl
>turbo

or
>remove FA20
>Drop in 3.5L V6 (2GR-FE) from the V6 Camry/RX350
>296 hp 260 ft lbs of naturally aspirated power in an all aluminum package

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>>16125058
>dat 2GR-FE

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pepped up 1.6 DIT from the levorg

single exhaust

remove ridiculous sound tube

16'' steelies with yokohama decibel

aluminum suspension components

>>16125058

you just put in a bigger engine thats making 40 less horses

good job

>>16125058

V6 too much.
2.4L + turbo would make it difficult to insure for NEET plebs, but who cares? Fuck 'em. Raise the price $10K. I'll pay it.

>>16125007
>Price cuts don't count
Was it not almost $5,000 cheaper when it was announced before the hype train puled into the station?

>>16125123

no

What is the smallest displacement Japanese V6 currently being made?

Would drop right in and be way better.

>>16125023
THIS. Thats literally all that car needs. Not awd or a v6 just this.

A hatch version

>>16125104
Did you miss the part where the 2AZ is turbocharged? The 2AZ FRS above is making 700 hp 700 tq

>>16125105
Too much power? Or money? It maybe be a lot of power but it would be cheap. The engine is already developed, all they need to do is turn it 90 degrees and some minor stuff after that.

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>>16125141
Forgot pic

>>16125007
that spoiler looks hideous

>>16125141

so now you got a 86 for cayman S/STI money with a cruddy USDM engine that burns oil

even better

here is an idea, do your own forced induction for a quarter of the cost if you're such a serious racing man. its not hard.

I can't help but feel the gt86 wouldnt be hated as much if it didn't look twice as fast as it actually is.

FA22 or FA25

Redesigned headers and ECU programming to get rid of torque dip

That's literally it

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>>16125007
Toyota now in bed with BMW for Supra

Go get a few N20B20 engines from BMW

>limited edition TRD 86
>get DRIFT King for commercial
>40,000 us dollaridoos

Put the STI motor in it.
>inb4 that will increase cost
If you think Subaru spends more per engine for STI's than every other motor they make, you're delusional.

>>16125154

What the hell do you people even mean with this?

>>16125104
makes more torque and has no torque dip. easier to mod and maintain.

>>16125150
>so now you got a 86 for cayman S/STI money with a cruddy USDM engine that burns oil
It doesn't have to be a 2AZ, just an I4 turbo

>here is an idea, do your own forced induction for a quarter of the cost if you're such a serious racing man. its not hard.
I know, I've done it. Problem is, you can't pass emissions very easily with a 2016 turbo car running a different ECU. Also your warrantee would be void immediately

>>16125132
Toyota makes a 3.0L V6 also, the 3GR-FE. 228 hp 221 ft lbs. That'd be pretty cool

Replace engine with an updated 2zzge

Just offer more TRD accessories.
>coilovers
>sway bars
>big brake kit
>supercharger
>lightweight wheels
>intake/exhaust
>aero

Keep the car exactly the way it is now for average driver. Then make a TRDifference version/package dor an extra $5-10k

>>16125179
>makes more torque

7 more, I'll take the 40 horses and lower cog instead.

>and has no torque dip

that's an ecu flash away. you'll get worse fuel economy and thats it. the way you drive the car you'll never notice it, as you always keep the car above the ''dip'' when driving fast.

the rest is true depending on where you live I suppose. the vortech people don't seem to have much issue with emissions.

>>16125160
how to make an unreliable toyota

>>16125204
>le old COG meme

>>16125291

such a fucking meme I wonder why racing cars dont have the same ride hight as a van

>>16125007
There's nothing really wrong with the gt86.
It's like the ae86, not top of the line sports car meant to rip up the nurburgring and top the top gear power lap board.
It's just meant to be a little fun sporty car.

>>16125090
That engine makes 50 less horsepower than the FA20

>>16125141

Too much weight.

>>16125007
Put a turbo blacktop 4AGE in it

>>16125007
>make it easy to mod
>make modern day initial d where tagumi drives that

>>16125313
This isn't even related to ride height.

>>16125007

>Get rid of back up camera
>Get rid of stability control
>5th Gen 3SGE

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>>16125007

>>16125332
so why isn't it sporty?

>>16125537
Best answer so far. It would make it a rwd integra type r and that is my dream car

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>sell it
>buy an NC miata

there I fixed it

>>16125183
The 3GR would probably be tuned up to 250hp which would he perfect

>>16125194
this exists with everything except the supercharger

also, itt people who dont realize that changing the engine out ruins the car's balance

the fa20 sits ridiculously low in the chassis, the top of the intake manifold doesn't even rise above the strut towers

>>16125511
>remove backup camera
>remove stability control
man, can i have some of what you're smoking?

>>16125566
i know this is shitposting, but man could you at least try?

>>16125371
the car is extremely easy to mod

holy fuck i knew /o/ was filled with benchracers but the gt86 threads truly bring out the worst

ditch the boxer meme engine for something that makes decent power

>>16125170
Take a look at the car. I think it looks nice. I remember when I first saw one, it was brand new and I had no idea what it even was.

A low down, 2 door coupe with dual exhaust would fool anyone into thinking the car had a bit of power. Then you learn that it had 200hp, it's barely any faster than your average road car. If the looks were toned down a bit, it would be forgiven for having a measly 200bhp.

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>>16125007
Lower the compression and add in a small turbo.
Also change the cams and headers, fixing that dip.

>>16125007
I fixed mine, slightly wider wheels with grippier tires.

>>16125023
What's wrong with the Boxer?

200hp from a 2 liter is very reasonable.

All that needs fixing in mostly everyone's opinion is the engine output. It needs to improve by at least 50whp and 70 torks. Some Toyota 4 banger would be ideal.

BRZ can keep the boxer for all anyone cares considering that's their engine.

>>16125333
>pepped up
FiST makes 200hp from a 1.6 and has torque

>>16125007
>Liftback
>I4
>2 Seater
>No facelift

>>16125537
This is the only correct answer.

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>>16125332
So you've never been in an 80's Toyota, or any car from the 80's.
>It's like the ae86

>considering cars prefixed with "toy"

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>>16125859
>considering anything other than a toyota

>>16125169
Why would they devalue their own engine.

>>16125796
Its the power band that main issue. Torque dip in the middle of the RPM range. Supposedly reprogramming the ECU can fix that.
Its really not as slow as people say it is either. Its in the same range as other entry level "sporty" cars like the ST and Si. People think just because its a coupe it has a to be a muscle car. That said it could still use more power. A turbo is must nowadays for small 4 bangers to be competitive

>>16125825
That's because the FiST has a turbo. The normal Fiesta hatchback makes 120hp.

>>16125537
Literally this.

Has anyone tried swapping a wanker under the hood?

more power
stickier tires

there problem fucking solved.

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>>16125007
Make a lexus variant with nicer interior and a 3.0 V6 3GR-FE tuned to around 250hp (228 stock)

>>16126089
>more power
Edel supercharger plus tune seems to get the job done
>stickier tires
Easily buyable

It seems like people just want those things stock but that would jack up the price and then it wouldn't be a cheap entry level powered sports car.

Have a not shit tune

Are the only people upset about the 86 the ones who can't afford them? I honestly can't understand why anyone else would shit on this car as roundly as some /o/tists do.

>>16126144
>a higher optioned trim would increase the price

not this retard again

>>16126221
>higher trim doesn't yield a higher price
I'm honestly surprised retards like you can breathe

>cant change the engine because it would ruin the weight distribution
>cant add forced induction because it would make it too expensive
>cant make more practical because it would make it too heavy
The only thing to do is to like it for what it is. Lightweight rwd coupe are a thing of the past. Unless you get rid of safety requirements or make the rumor about Mazda making their entire lineup rwd true. (aside the miata everything they sell is a mazda3.)

>>16125336
It's an all aluminum V6, not that heavy. It's lighter than a 3SGTE, I know that much.

I looked it up, 3GR-FSE, the 252 hp 3.0 V6 long block weighs 383. The FA20 long block weighs 377 lbs. So 6 lbs difference lol.

It seems like boxers aren't very light for their displacement, 2x heads, 4x cams, 4x cam gears.

>>16125621
Exactly. Lots more torque than the FA20 also

>>16125607
Stop it.

>partnership with ford
>coyote 5.0
>skids for days
>car is no longer aimed at faggots who watch anime

>>16126247
>ruin weight distribution
>ruin

Toyota's v6s are pretty light nowadays

>>16126013
What do you think DIT stands for retard?

>>16126094
Huh, I actually really like this.

It'd probably weigh over 3000lbs though

>>16125145
I like that a lot for some reason.

Toyota makes a 4GR V6 which is only 2.5L. Tune it to 230HP and 200TQ, perfect?

All the 86 needs a tad bit more power, a little more torque, and less torque dip.

>>16125170
I was with my buddy in his brz, some girls in a new toyota minivan made a comment about how good the car looked and how fast it must be. They refused to believe me when I said their minivan would stomp it in a straight line.

It looks twice as fast as it is. Look at every miata except the new one, they aren't overstyled or aggresive like the frz86

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>>16126529
This is modern design. I can't remember the term, for it, but its essentially, busy, lots of details and flair. Eventually we are going to go back to minimalism, and we will get our beautiful timeless minimalist cars we can mod our self.

>Pic related
This MUST be the peak of crazy gratuitous over-styling of cars

>>16125007
>price cuts dont count

but thats the entire problem

>>16125796
>200hp
Try 160 usable horsepower, not manufacturer pretend calculated crank horsepower.

>>16125186
So much this, as a Celica GTS and Subaru Owner I can't think of a Better engine.

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>>16125154
Here's your fix

>>16126580
Literally every car is advertised with crank hp

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>>16125007
Here's what Toyota should do: completely scrap the 86 and build the TE-800. (4th gen MR2 with a Prius drivetrain)

>>16125145
There was a shooting brake GT-86 designed by Aussies but it was rejected by Toyota. I think somebody planned to make a Subaru shooting brake as well, but the same thing happened.

>>16126580
>160
Wow, that's really shitty.

My mom's minivan makes 290. The thing flies when it's empty.

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>>16126212
Because it is, on average, a car that severely missed the mark with general market AND enthusiast market. That means it gets to enjoy all-around flak.

Yes there are fans of the car, just like you can find fans for just about anything. Just because a bunch of people like it doesn't mean it's good. Take Shillary for instance, TONS of people like her, but she's a completely horrid person. Doesn't stop people from waxing eloquent about her woman-based voting points, just like people around here love to talk about the low center of gravity.

So, how do we make the car better? Lots of people have already said it: an i4 with forced induction. If CoG matters so much, then why does an FWD turbo hatch with the same horsepower (albeit better torque) easily beat it around track, on skidpad, and in a straight line for almost 8 thousand dollars less?

The car is designed to bring in ricer wannabes and it did exactly that. Nuff said.

>>16126697
Yes, but NOT every car suffers from literally 20% drivetrain loss with a manual transmission.

Fiesta ST crank = 197
Fiesta ST wheel = 186

Cmon now.

Basically what we want is a car with kit car lightness, exotic car luxury, supercar handling and performance, and muscle car raw numbers and ease of maintenance/selfservice. Oh and also used shitbox stickerprice brand new.

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>>16126144
of course you can modify it. But if you didn't have to, it would be cheaper. Mass market economics. It's cheaper for Toyota to produce 100000 superchargers and do them on the assembly line, than for you to buy 1 and have it installed. Plus, when you buy the car, you're paying in part for the prius tires, so it would be cheaper to buy the car with good tires already on it.

I'm not saying the FR-S is a bad car at all, it just needs better tires and power, and it would be immune to stupid minivan memes if it had them.

>>16125007
Add a "TRD" or "STI" trim with
>Supercharger
>Body kit
>Better suspension
>Actual tires
fuggin boom car is fixed for those that want it
Cheap neets can still buy the stock version

>>16127210
Huh, it's almost like the Hyundai Genesis 3.8 track versus the Genesis 2.0T

GEE, OTHER CAR COMPANIES DO IT.

>>16125007
two more cylinders, NA or supercharged would be perfect for me.

>>16125007
It simply needs a stronger, higher horsepower engine that makes more torque

for the price this thing is overpriced for what you're getting especially when there are so many superior variants.

>>16125850
>implying the ae86 isn't a huge meme but a gawdmushine
Have you driven an ae86 in its stock form? It's nothing special without sinking money into it, surprise surprise, just like the gt86! If you want an actual sportscar, stop being a cheap cunt and go buy something that wasn't made for people who want a bit of cheap performance. Both the gt86 and the ae86 are rubbish for high performance applications from the factory.

>>16125007
>ie: AWD or Turbo option would make msrp jump up
And?

If people wunna pay $5000 more for a decent factory turbro that wont grenade why not?

Hell it would give it the rwhp boost it so badly needs at 150rwhp in current year is absolutely beyond shit.

Pretty retarded they dont offer a factory sports pack with wideass wheels either, guess their leaving it all up to aftermarket but thats just so lazy

>>16126489
4gr is garbage though. Countless service bulletins on that engine. Use the 2gr instead.

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>>16125007
Can someone explain to me why this is such a big deal?

>>16127610
This is the main problem. WHP is dogshit on this car. My FWD econobox from 2003 has better 0-60.

>>16127708
Look at the corresponding HP sag, now spread it across the gears.
It makes a bigger and bigger difference as you shift up.

All it really needs is a bit more power.

Keep the current model as a base model for normies and poorfags.

Add a wrx/trd version with the faa20 turbo from the wrx imprezza, for about 5000 over base price.

Have enkei wheels in 3 colors, gunmetal, bronze and charcoal u. With bridgestone potenza tires.

Interior wise have recaro seats and steering wheel.

Have optional track pack with bigger brakes, Michelin pilot super sport tires, trd springs and swaybars, and bilstien struts for about another 3 grand extra.

Maybe offer ubique wrx and trd body parts as well.

>>16126547
God can you image how dated it will look in a couple years... And im the biggest civic type r fan

>>16125850
Toyota doesn't make super expensive high performance sports cars.
They've always focused on reliable cars for everyone.
Sure they've made some sportscars like the MR2 and such, but they never tried to be top of the line exotics to destroy competition. Toyota knows it's place.

And it's coming from someone who loves toyotas.

There is nothing wrong with gt86/ae86/aw11/sw20 etc
Only problem is people for some reason believing they are some secret supercars

>>16129686
>what is the Supra

>>16129686
>>16129725

>what is the LFA

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Fix this and tune it so it will have more than 170whp.

>>16129725
The Supra is a large GT that got lucky with engine fitment. If it didn't come equipped with THE fucking Toyota engine of all time there's no way they'd still have the same fanbase since 80% of its claim to fame is the face you can put a 2JZ damn fucking near 800hp on just a tune and 1000hp with not a hell of a lot of work.

>>16129745
LFA is neat but it's lexus.
Not really the same target audience as toyota
>>16129725
Supra is a neat sportscar/GT but it still isn't top of the line. It just can be modified easily to have insane bhp. Yes it comes closest to being a real honest to god sportscar.
It would cost roughly 75k if it was new today.
It's considerably cheaper than the porsche equvilent.
GT86 is sub 30k.
GTR is over 90k. And gtr is the fuck-your-supercar-i-drive-a-datsun guy.

GT86 is still, a entry level sportscar built not about massive performance but to celebrate owning and having fun in a sportscar while remaining reliable.
Nothing shameful about that. Instead it's kinda unique. It's not a tryhard.

>>16129829
>not about massive performance but to celebrate owning and having fun in a sportscar

But we already have mx-5 for that kind of shit. And the miata is better at it.
Toyobaru was supposed to have some performance to go with the cornering and RWD but instead it gets beaten by a diesel hatch around a track.

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>>16127210
>>16125007
Literally this.

STI/TRD versions offer
>Upgraded styling
>stickier tires
>lowered stiffer suspension with roll bars
>spoiler/wing options
>STI receives a turbo
>TRD receives a supercharger
>Both make a peak 270hp crank, stock tune
>aftermarket tune puts the cars over 300hp

>>16130044
And just about double the price.

>>16125023
You design that in from the outset, you don't tweak an existing design to do that.
The next gen could do that but there won't be one, so it won't.

>>16126212
Because it has such potential, but is stuck with a lame 205hp engine. It should have a 6 cyl in it, or the very least a 2.0 turbo. As is it's poser boyracer and a waste of a great design.

>>16130792
So why do you need more power? To get more speeding tickets?

>>16130044
Iirc it is available with a trd option but all that is is a trd exhaust and lowering kit and maybe some interior upgrades. Brakes might be upgrades too but not sure.

>>16130044
>IE just buy a fucking Impreza

>>16125007
LS swap, of course

>>16130798
To keep up with V6 Camrys and minivans

>>16129866
I don't like how the miata looks and I don't see any point in a cabriolet.

I'd rather have gt86.

All gt86 is is a new version of 86 focusing on driving feel and sensation.

It's just too new right now.

>>16130792
>As is it's poser boyracer and a waste of a great design.
I don't think it's a poser at all.
It's just a simple cheap sportscar like the miata.

>>16125007
Add pop-up headlights

Toyota engineered wankel motor with turbo that isn't a unreliable piece of shit like mazda's

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>>16130969
>Toyota
>not unreliable
kek
and mazda took first overall in 91 and several class vicotries before that

>>16130985
Take your assblasted ass elsewhere this is where men are talking

>>16130985
lemons is a different fruit alltogether.
Most cars people think are extremely reliable and obvious lemons choises literally explode on first lap on that.

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What will save this is a Mazda-Toyota partnership.

Mazdaspeed skyactiv turbo engine
Or
Doritos, now you can have double wishbone and keep the centre weight down.

I'm definitely buying a blown toybaru in a few years and rotary swaping

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>>16130996
>triggered toyocuck

lel

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>>16130044

>>16125007

Give it whatever it needs to have a 5 second 0-60 and a sub 14s quarter mile.

>>16130798

Because it adds to the excitment of a car you retard.

There is no enjoyment of 'carving' up a corner at the speed limit so why do you need great balance and handling these cars have?

>>16127717
shame it has that dogshit subi engine that they will never turbo

Poor car will probably get a hybrid meme system before it gets a turbo and then they'll can it

>>16125007
It's very simple.
>change the name to Celica
>introduce an AWD turbo GT-4 variant, which shouldn't be much of a problem because the car is a Subaru anyway
>maybe introduce a 1.6L FWD n/a for youngfags, and it'd be doing like 150/160HP tops
Boom. Problem solved.

Relying on the Initial D kids was a terrible idea.

>>16125155
how do headers lead to torque dip? im not a total car noob but i dont understand how the exhaust can decrease performance that much.

Slightly better tyres, Potenza RE003 etc
250HP

Perfect

>>16134711
>Perfect
The car needs more torque not power.

>>16134618
it's not headers, it's the fuel injection system, it switches over from direct injection to multi-point, or vice versa, i can't remember exactly.

>Own a stock 240sx
>Power never wowwed me, isn't all that fast but it's not really slow either

Will I basically feel the same driving the twins?

>>16125007
Beg forgiveness from Yamaha.
Make a 2ZZ successor and stick it in there.

>>16134772
Even worse so, as they have less torque since no forced induction.

Toyota really should've handed this car over to TRD and let them do their thing with it, maybe release a limited edition with FI and suspension revisions.

Sure it would probably cost like 10k more, but it would be a much better car overall.

>inb4 nerds talking about muh balance

>>16134781
But the 240sx is also NA.
The 200sx has a turbo.

>>16125007
>buy Mazdas 1.6 double dorito turbo
>best possible torque curve and 400+hp
>install it
fixed

>>16134796
is that the one with the KA? I always get them confused

>tfw no turbo gt86

>>16125058
Option 1,
>Would still get those sweet mpg's
>Would still pass the EPA
>would have the right feel but no awkward power/torque curve

>>16125023
Yes

>>16125007
>we fix the Toyota 86
subaru gets STI and toyota gets TRD
Option to buy pregutted with rollcage and bride/recaro/sparco/whatever seats and rollcage
Inline 4 and Inline 6 instead of baxar

>>16134840
>Inline 4 and Inline 6 instead of baxar
It's a little too small of a car for an I6.

Actual Toyota engine, 2.0 turbo. The S15 was making 250 hp on 2.0 liters btw.

>>16125007
make modern day recreation of initial d.

DESU I'd take an gt86 as it is now, it seems like a really fun car to drive and it's not embarassing on track days.

>>16134462
>>16134462
>Subaru already has a 296hp version of the fa20
>not an option yet

what the fuck

crush it and replace it with a real sport car.

>>16125537
This. I normally don't like the idea of Honda motors, but it fits so perfectly with this car. The Meme engine is holding it back

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>>16130044
>TRD supercharger

anon i can only get so erect

>>16134772
A GT86 is like a hopped up 240sx. Tighter, quicker, etc, but same-ish.
>>16125007
Change nothing.

>>16127137
That has to be a bugged dyno and what thought process led you to believe cylinder layout counts toward parasitic loss?

>>16134462
I was just thinking about that engine in a toyobaru this morning

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>>16135462
>>16135462
It's not "a bugged dyno" that's the median of the reported numbers from 4 different dynos, which anyone will tell you is the only way to avoid cherry picker syndrome for dyne results.

Also, I think you might be mistaking me for another poster, I said literally nothing about the number of cylinders having anything to do with the drivetrain loss on the gt86. I just said it has fucking 20% drivetrain loss with a manual transmission, which is absolutely horrendous beyond any and all reason. It's even worse in the auto trans, I think about 26%

>>16125347
>Turbo BEAMS
FTFY

I've been watching this thread for two days now and you assholes can't figure out how to follow directions. The op explicitly said to fix it without raising the price substantially, which a turbo or awd would do.

This is what would make the GT86 viable:
> remove rear seats in lieu of more storage space, dedicated two seater
>keep the same profile but make it a liftback
>better headers, cams, ECU for torque

Boom, now the car is lighter, more spacious, and better aimed at the young professional who doesn't need 2 fake backseats for insurance purposes or to fool a significant other. Make sportscars sporty again.

>>16135519
You do realize that sticking the subaru turbo engine in it would only make it about 1.5k to 2k more expensive.
While having to enginner new headers, cams and retune the ecu would present about the same increase in price while giving less power.

>>16125537
>not a K series

>>16130239
That's fair
>>16130806
Honestly I've heard the brakes on the car are very good. Maybe upgraded pads.
>>16130813
Or, or, hear me out, I wanted a coupe that handles and not a commuter sedan.
>>16134462
All the more reason, it's just that easy.
>>16135444
TRD everything m8.
Supercharger, exhaust, bushings, head gasket, body kit, brakes, intake, oil cap, radiator cap, lug nuts, oil filter, key fob, and small rocks.

>>16126212
I think it should be cheaper. Drop the price 5k.
You can get the 2017 Mustang for $1500 cheaper, and it has 100 more horsepower. It's also well reviewed, 4.9/5 on Edmunds. Honestly I'd rather have that.

>>16126212
I can't afford it but it is dirt cheap.
It's a toyota so it's guranteed reliability.
It's has the 86 in it so it's kinda like ae86 with aircon
it is a car designed to be really fucking fun not to make lap records

It's quite perfect, people just scoff at it because nissan gt-r is faster.

It's literally just an hard-top miata

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Turn it into a Kia

>>16125007
i dont like 86's but i would buy this one. that spoiler is fucking sick, reminds me of gen 7 celicas