/ORG/

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>that feel when the abuse of offroadin' and muddin' caught up with your truck

Got it at 130k miles. 165k now and tranny just suddenly started slipping. The 4th gear is out. I gotta kick in overdrive in 3rd gear, just to go over 40mph.

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>>16105304
>ferd
wew
if only you were a part of the yota masterrace

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>>16105400
>mfw i have 240k, 0 problems and 0 signs of slowing down

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My Xterra that I baby along. Rarely any hardcore offroading, mostly some just some crap roads in the intermountain west.

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>Jeeps
>Welcome

What's wrong with Jeeps?

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>>16106005
Honestly not really much, just stereotypes. And owners who think they are above everyone else.
>jeep owner

>>16105263
Thanks for making an ORG, where my trashy american car is welcome.>>16106396

Heading out to the desert tomorrow until Sunday with my buds and a qt. Should be fun, might post pictures

Thinking about getting a Jeep Renegade for decent mpg. Is the 4x4 non-Trailhawk going to be good enough for off road or is the Trailhawk worth the extra dough?

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heep junk loves?

>>16106632
Trailhawk has loads of goodies for gentle off roading, went out one time with a guy that had one and it held its own somewhat. Approach angle sucks though.

>>16106001
were nice to everyone here.
(toyota master race though obviously)

>>16106420
sure friend.
square headlights are best wrangler

>>16106632
keep in mind its essentially a crossover.
however if you just plan on using dirt roads and calling it off roading it will be perfect.

>>16105400
*tips fedora*

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>>16105400
>>16105414
pls no turn a nice off road thread into a ford/chevy debate. we're better than this, /o/
btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.

>>16105304
If you're abusing it that hard off roading, why don't you invest in a lift and some wider tyres?
Also, I've never noticed this until now. But what do the guard rails on the side of the bed do? What is the benefit opposed to the classical ones that go all the way to the roof so it protects when rollover and you can put ladders and shite on them?

Also, you might want to change the differential fluid and transmission. They're known (as opposed to Jeeps and Porsche off roaders) to have less efficient seals and therefore can get water in them more frequent than naught, unfortunately.

>>16106005
>>16106396
Classically, Chrysler and Jeeps have the new stereotype of being overly complicated and having random computer and mechanical issues breaking down in their first 25 000km. This is true to some extent because their quality control and testing have slacked since the auto collapse.
This is not true of anything before 2004, though. The stereotype just carries over. Also, the Wranglers have now all been reduced to a mall crawler costing upwards of $40 000. I haven't seen an Unlimited with a winch since August and I pass by TJs/ YJs with winches every other day.

>>16106420
>>16107830
Your car is beautiful.

>>16105484
Where is that butte?

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>>16109791
Thanks, it's only the little 2.5l 4cyl, but it chugs right along.

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Got my bar hooked up. Roast my lights, /org/

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Lexus embarrasses jeep reporting in

>>16109791
it's just for tying shit down. And resale value for Mexicans

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>>16110214
GX reporting in

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>>16110214
Yes but it also costs more and unless you upgrade the bumper, you'll lose it every once in a while.
Although Jeeps are not the best off roaders, they are certainly the cheapest and most customisable with prolific after-market parts.
Also, the feeling of driving with no doors and no roof on the highway is a huge upside, too.

Personally, I'd love to have a mildly lifted, sanded wheelwell Cayenne with a winch bumper and side rails to off road.

>>16109791
>btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.
I trust that's a facetious /o/ related comment and you don't actually believe that tripe.
>>16110376
>unless you upgrade the bumper, you'll lose it every once in a while
That's a completely superficial and simple upgrade that every offroader could and should benefit from regardless. You shouldn't go paying too much attention to angles drawn on some paper in regards to factory clearance angles as they don't tell much of the story.

>>16109791
How would you burn the clutch while offroading?

>>16111064

Lots of people fry the clutch off road, especially in soft sand. Either because the clutch is on the way out or they have made power increases that the clutch can't handle and prolonged slip under load happens.

Or they are a numpty that slips the clutch to prevent bogging down, instead of going down a cog. It's usually this cause.

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Here's my shit.

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>>16110765
>>16111064
I said "don't turn this into a chevy/ford classic /o/ debate" and then made a tongue in cheek statement bashing manuals (and or automatics) right afterwards as that is a frequent /o/ debate.
I thought people would get that and find it funny ):

However, the bumper issue is pretty damn superficial however, it won't look good at all given Lexus's bodywork. Though, I live in the Canadian shield off roading territory so I see many more rocks and steep drops than most places in the world.
a lift kit is still your friend when it comes to bumpers.

>>16111064
Otay. this part was kinda true. you don't get much of a wear and tear unless you're offroading to get to work daily. but a common thing to get out of a rut is to rev it up to an incredibly amount in order to gain enough traction to pull yourself up and control speed.
I've gotten better with experience with keeping it below 3000 then below 2000 when trailing but no matter how hard i try (or my friends try), the clutch burn smell still happens after mudding / carefully rock-climbing 5+ kilometres.

It hasn't really been shown to wear the clutch down compared to normal use, though. And 4WD - Low is your friend.

[spoiler] sorry for shitposting :T

>>16110214
fug, these look sharp without running boards.

>>16111064
Mainly due to incompetence. There's some people who claim to be able to drive manual transmission, but they sure as hell don't know how to operate one.

Manual is ideal for off-roading. Need to have low gears to make it easier on the clutch. I prefer manual to auto since I've had both. Manual is far superior. What the fuck do I know, only been wheeling 26 years

>>16109944
Glacier National Park.

>>16112030
>minimum 42 years of existence
what are you doing on this side of the internet and how did you discover

>>16110176
that light bar seems really far back

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>>16111856
Like I said, I presumed your manual/auto comment was facetious.
In regards to the bar work, there's plenty of aftermarket companies such as ARB and TJM that make high quality premium bars that look right at home on the Lexus Lanscruiser.
>>16112030
Amen. Can't beat that direct drive in my opinion. Being able to directly control vehicle speed with throttle application is more important to me than torque multiplication slipping from a standstill.

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>>16112158
I have a guy 35 minute drive away from me that does custom fabrication on bumpers, skids, side skirts, etc. He's really helpful since he's a welder / moulder that specialises in auto parts specifically for offroading. He's where I got the idea to get a porsche cayenne off roader once i become a hundred thousandaire. the off road bumper would only be $2000 to make for the Cayenne as opposed to their regular Porsche bumpers that cost around $4000 to replace, lol.

I've never seen ARB and TJM, though. What else is worth looking into them? I like to webshoppe in my spare time at work - would never get anything online anymore but it's nice to daydream.
Also, fair point. I guess a bullbar would adequately protect any vehicle's bumper 99% of the time anyway. A bit too much translucent plastic on the front but that's just my taste (as long as it doesn't have LED lights, we're gucci, muh nucci).

>>16112030
It greatly helps that manuals have their rpm ranges shifted down compared to automatics.
Back with my aut(ism)omagic, i had to just shift it into drive slowly in order to get it winched out of hotspots. that was really annoying since there was no midpoint torque region like you can use with a manual.

Congrats on stretching your jeep phase for 26 years. Here's to never giving into a vangina.

>>16112314
>I've never seen ARB and TJM, though. What else is worth looking into them?
Really?! They're (ARB in particular) the absolute best in the business when it comes to off the shelf vehicle protective bar work and both work towards location specific registration approval compliance (they usually have build tags fitted).
Both companies have their own respective air operated difflock line as well, although I think if I was to go the ARB airlocker route again, I'd fashion my own air lines up out of steel brake lines instead of the flexy nylon hose crap they use (anyone who's had airlockers will know what I'm talking about).
Both companies recovery gear is also top notch.

>>16112631
Also
>>16112314
>A bit too much translucent plastic on the front but that's just my taste
They each have a range of bars from basic commercial purposes to deluxe polished aluminium bars.

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Off road you say??

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Here is my Offroader. But i mostly use it as a Workhorse in the woods.

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My Holley carb has no air idle screws currently but by golly the (off) road is calling

>>16105263
I've been doing offroad all my life.
Through lakes covered with thin layers of moss and bottom filled with 10m of quicksand-like mud.

Through mudpools 1-2m thick covered by a layer of ice

Through deserts through tundras through boggy forests

And now once I got a decent car I've realized that I've always wanted to go fast onna road

>>16113052
>posted in yuroop hours
where you at, hombre?

>>16113557
Hi, I'm from Germany.

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s-10, nothing special, but gets the job done

>>16109791
>btw, manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.
you know what that second shifter is for, right?

>>16113149
>And now once I got a decent car I've realized that I've always wanted to go fast onna road

>that feel when you want both but insurance and registration is fucking expensive

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>>16110176
>projecting light directly onto the roof of your vehicle

>>16112030
maybe if youre a rock crawling redneck
for exploration/overlanding purposes auto is undoubtedly better

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XJ reporting in.

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. . . & XJ's girlfriend reporting in too.

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>>16111152
>>16111856
>>16111992

Low-range saves lives. People are getting more and more into putting dual-transfers in their offroaders here, and I gotta say that I'm really impressed by how much it increases the potential of the vehicle

Buddy of mine who owned this Hilux now has the gearbox of it in a LJ73 LandCruiser, and he told me that he didn't use the clutch a single when trying to climb or drag his way out of anything the last time he went seriously offroading

This is the car going without a driver, and with the idle turned up very slightly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKPIJCvNghs&list=FLqoupciJyXQJ398J3SRYSxA&index=16

>>16113052
beautiful

>>16114852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMvCChImPPQ
This is a great example of how low double transfer cases is, this guy literally dumps the clutch and get out of the car.

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>>16112155
I have it mounted to my roof basket
>>16113965
The cutoff is right were my low beams are so I figured it wasn't so bad. I'd rather have that than a huge glare off of my hood (which my ditch lights do a little anyways)

t.guy who asks to get roasted and now tries to justify himself like an idiot

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>>16112155
>>16113965

The cutoff you'll get from having it that far back is not really ever in the way, as the stock headlights should be able to illuminate that area fine

>>16114951
Do you have any issues with reflections of the mirrors? I have chrome housing for my mirrors, and I'm planning on just plastidipping them matte black to prevent the small reflection I get from mine

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>>16114968
The mirrors for late 1st gen Tacomas are already matte black so I don't have much of a problem.

I do get a bit of the light bar peeking into the driver-side mirror though, so I'll usually adjust so it's aimed at the ground when I'm off-roading

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>>16114993
Looks like they could be the same mirrors even

How big is your bar/what setup/power/what did you pay?

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>>16115005
30" LED bar, got it on Amazon for $50 but it leaked when I washed the truck so I had to pull it apart, dry it out, and reseal it. It only draws like 3.2A for 180 Watts output which is cool because I have a shit ton of 6A switches lying around

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>>16115290
Ah shit

I've got this;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262640366580

52", 500w, combo. I paid 55$ for the thing itself a few weeks back, and now its nearly $270.... what the fuck

I paid a total of $116 for the bar, shipping to Norway from Ohio, and the 25% toll fee in Norway... fucking amazing for the price

No leaks, has a breather valve and I've made sure its all properly tightened and water proof

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>>16114968
>Road Ranger
>On a Toyota

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>>16115309
... I don't follow?

>>16115308
Damn dude that's a big-ass bar, and $116 for that size, and shipped to Norway on top of that is a fucking steal

I was thinking of a 50" roof-mounted but I had a hard time finding brackets that didn't cost more than the bar itself. Instead I got the basket for $100 and now I can mount a shit ton of lights to that instead (which I plan to do in the near future)

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>>16115336
I lucked out with the top already having a couple of solid brackets mounted on it. I talked to the guy who owned the car that the top sat on before my buddy bought the car + top from him, and apparently he had work lights on them before

Grabbed a piece of solid 90 degree-angled steel from my neighbor, cut it, drilled holes and bent the brackets on the top to get it perfectly level.

>>16115368
Nice. Looks pretty solid

>>16116010
Do you run "summer"-MT's during winter?

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>>16116010
>1 millimeter of uptravel

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>>16109791

>manuals can't off road

But off roading is super comfy with my np435l granny 4 speed

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Next mod;
https://craneaxle.com/crane-gm-13-bolt-differential-cover.html

Gets me another inch under the pumpkin.

I've only snagged it once. My tire width vs the jeep track meant I only had one line I could take. Had to stack some rocks to get it to clear.

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>>16110176
What a shitty light setup.

>>16117415
I think you should be concentrating on making your vehicle functional as opposed to decorating it with redundant accessories.

>>16117700
>Functional
Driving it to my new place tomorrow.
What part isn't functional other than the Hella 4000s that are waiting on HIDs?

>>16117736
>What part isn't functional other than the Hella 4000s that are waiting on HIDs?
You mean you've finally managed to get drive to the front end after the last 6 years of shit posting about solid axle swaps?

>>16116010
>hilux
>wanting to roll like a jeep if you turn too hard

wewlad toyota really dropped the ball on that one

>>16117755
literally only a problem if you rely on computer controlled stability management when you drive.
Do you lack the mental capacity to operate your own 4x4 without assistance?

>>16117752
>Get drive to the front end
Issue hasn't been with 4x4, it's been with exhaust and lack of time to work on it.
No one local wanted to patch up the factory exhaust to clearance the spring hangers so I bought a welder and long tubes and built my own exhaust.

I've got a stock Suzuki Samurai and an FJ60 that doesn't run.

>>16116058

i do until i change them later today, and lemme tell ya, these things are SLIPPPPPPERY

>>16116747

there is plenty of uptravel inside the fenders

>>16114852
Yeah, low Range is essential for offroading. Couldn't imagine without. Luckily I have 16 gears forward and 8 gears backward. Plus 6 super slow gears forward and 3 backwards.

>>16117755
>watch a youtube video and now that's the only thing on your mind when you see a vehicle
definition of a meme argument
you're probably an argument who hasn't even driven a Hilux before, Americans are notoriously butthurt that Hilux isn't available in their country

>>16118561
Tell me about it - several of our cars at work run unmodified BFG AT's all year. You can imagine what its like driving a beat 95 Hilux on such tires around the mountain roads here

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>>16105263
I thought we'd call these threads "2hi4lo" from now on.

Also, d e f e n d e r. I see thi thing dribing all the time but finally caught it at home

>>16116010
absolutely beautiful
what year is it?
goddammit toyota give us this truck

>>16119208
>2hi4lo
this isnt instagram you fucking faggot

>>16119208
that's a series 2 not a defender you absolute novice

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>>16119211
If memory serves me right; 2008

Arctic Truck 37" conversion.The conversion itself alone is a good $24 000 or something

20mm body lift, 40mm suspension lift, modified arches, special shocks, gearing of the axles changed, speedometer calibration and much more, and its all sitting on 37x12.5R17 tires, AND its even all approved by the nazi-esque DMV we have here

Its a "lesser" version of the Hilux Clarkson and May drove to the north pole

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>>16105304

>buying an automatic ever
>off roading an automatic

>>16119208
That's not a Defender, idiot. Learn the difference.

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>>16119208
I keep seeing these German tanks my history teacher taught me about. I'm glad I caught a colourised world war ii Panzer in real life today. I had to take a picture of it.
Oi it counts as off roading, m8.

>>16118810

yeah fuck that shit man, studs and siping is mandatory on these tires

>>16119211

Thank you, i love the truck sooo much!

>>16119616

Yup, 2008!

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I've got this and a Subaru Crosstrek, but I'm not convinced that that's off-road material.

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But here it is just the same. Great little car, but I'd never take it more than two-trackin'.

If I want to lift a panther just by using taller/stiffer springs, what's the highest I can get without having to replace other suspension components? And would I need new shocks too or would they just extend to the length automatically? I know at some point you need to add longer control arms to avoid fucking up your suspension geometry and making the car an uncontrollable piece of shit.

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>>16121575
>>16121584
>>16121612

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>>16121615

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>>16121643
Looks more capable than the one I use

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>>16121760

my cousin works around those bike tracks

>>16121840
Really? Chances are I've met him then

>>16118797
fair enough id say, they only get these land barge utility vehicles that are only good for rolling around on dirt roads, not tech 4x4 driving. although thats their fault. market dictates the product.

>>16121931

His name is Geir

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>>16105304
fellow ferd

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My 2nd gen 4runner blew a head gasket at 220k. Putting in a 5vz-fe 3.4. Super excited, this is my first engine swap. Started real late in the day but managed to get my heavy ass ARB Bumper, Rad, Hoses, and Connections off/done. Tomorrow will be a long day but I'm hoping I can hoist her out. Then the tough stuff comes.

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>>16121760
what did he mean by this

So I found a j300 on some family property, the short of it is it's fucked (flood, sitting for 20 years and a fire), but I want to wrench on it and restore it for an offroader so I don't do something stupid like take my 2wd f150 off into oceano dunes again and have to get pulled out three times again. had I known the damn thing existed I would have been working on it so long ago. photo over here >>16122941

Does anyone know some decent online resources I can use to make this happen?

Is a 2wd s10 ok for reasonable off road stuff? I know I can't go through the mud like the others. I just want to go on some trails.

>>16123096
If there is loose gravel on a hill and you can't gain enough momentum, it is already over. With 2wd you are really limited. Does it have a difflock? I know because I really often have to engage the 4wd.

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hhhnnnnnngggggg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym0V05iyVo&feature=youtu.be

>>16123727
literally just watched this
love ronnie man

>>16123096
if its what ya got then its what ya got.
i wouldnt invest any money into it but go with a tow strap and a buddy and you could have some decent fun

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>>16108130
>mfw he actually has a fucking fedora on while driving it

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>>16123721
They're absolutely delicious. It was a shame they were still geared the same as the old non turbo mechanical 1HZ, but Mark's Adapters developed a pretty cool modification for that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpiShkEzrj4

>>16123727
Why does this guy talk like he has some sort of minor brain impairment?

>>16122734
Good luck anon. I love my Tacoma's 5VZ, can't wait to hear about yours

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>>16123096
I had a Chevrolet 2010 Colorado.
Definitely not. Bumpers are all metal, no skid plates, no skid rails, dented it up way too bad, unfortunately.
Once the loose gravel hits every 2-4km, you're pretty much screwed unless you have a winch friend or the offroad boot helper that you can get for $100.

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>>16124632

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>>16124643

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>>16124652

5 PSI

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>>16124643
>>16124652
how much does it cost to lift, wheel, bull bar, and winch a pickup (NA) trucc in Europe?
are parts harder to source due to lack of demand or is everything just siphoned off of other markets and you just have to pay shipping?

also my gaze of mad approvals

>>16124718

Some parts can be hard to source, like rock sliders for certain trucks, but that can usually be solved easily with ebay from australia or the states.

The modifications done to these two trucks can run you up to about $25 000. This includes the mods being legal at our strict "DMV".


And thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuEVYi_-xE&feature=youtu.be

>>16125855
i fucking came

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>>16125855
Running 5 PSI there or what?

>>16125855
What is so special about that?

is there anything better than adventuring around in the woods in your 4x4?
man you cant beat those feels

>>16126310
Seconding this. It's 100 yards from a major highway in light snow on a very gentle grade. I could do the same in my cavalier doing 80MPH.

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My 3 tonne beast.

Just bought it so i haven't had time to take her off road yet

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Heres my plain 4runner, just one size larger tire.

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>>16126890
FUCK YOU TOYOTA AMERICA

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>Heavy whirring, exhaust leaks, boost leaks and low performance intensifies

Still love this shitbox though.. Fuck all power but keeps going.

Cracked the radiator on a day out at the beach and it still got me 170km home.

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somebody told me to crack an egg in my radiator to stop leaks
please tell me this is a joke

>>16127949
It works mate. Not good or long term solution, but will slow/block leaks to get you home.

Flush block and radiator (if repairable) after you get home/wherever.

>>16127990
m8 the dickhead just told me to crack a chicken fetus on in there and daily drive it

>>16127949
The egg cooks on the inside of the radiator and temporarily plugs up the leak

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>>16105263
My little mountain goat. 1997 Geo Tracker. This is near Engineer Pass, Animas Forks, CO. About 12800 ft.

Heading out for a light run tomorrow near RMNP, taking the wifey and doggo.

>>16127849
Australia*

>>16106001

>packin all that rice in the desert

rice is for babies who cling to their reliability comfort zone.
you are simultaneously overpaying and telling people you dont actually know shit about what you're doing

>>16106632
I've seen both the Renegade and Trailhawk version at work (I'm in used cars). I think it's worth the extra $1-3K it'll cost you. Most of the reviews of the Trailhawk version boil down to "We were pleasantly surprised, and because our expectations were so low we're actually kind of impressed." Good enough for me at the price point. It ain't a Tacoma or Wrangler, but it's 60% of the price for 90% of the performance.

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>>16128117
>wifey
>doggo
>light run on a monday morning
>geo tracker
>calling it "my little mountain goat
Fuck, you take the post for the cutest person I've seen on /o/. Hands down.

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>>16128172
Heh. Thanks. Here's one more for ya.

>>16126263

4 PSI

>>16126310
>>16126630

You're right, at that particular place on the field the snow wasnt deep. Another section of the field was tho, the snow reached well above the bottom of the door and i had to get winched out.

>>16127936
Wedge Island or Belvedere beach?

>>16126890
Unless that trade body is 1300kg, that ain't a three tonne beast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvoZAlna90g

>>16117308
Where is this?

I've taken mu suburban across the mojave.

>>16128546
On the beach near Wilbinga was when I found out the radiator was pissing water from a crack

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>>16117232
>Np435

Mah fuckin nigga
>Tfw 225 slant six and 4speed

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I've owned it for like 5 months but took it off road for the first time last month.

Is there anything wrong with 1993 V6 Toyota pickups? I've heard they have headgasket problems and they get the same MPG as a V8 of the time, there's a 93' V6 in my area and I'm looking at it for a DD just want some opinions.

>>16131147
Despite all the dick sucking both the 22r/22re and the Toyota v6 are very bad about eating head gaskets

Yes the v6 gets shitty mpg but imo the insane amount of vacuum lines these things have makes them a complete pain to work on and diagnose

>>16131147
Just based on my local prices for Toyota pickups and SUVs I bet you could find a Cherokee for a better price

>>16131203
>>16131227

Where'd you get that decal anyway?
I know the BMRF vehicles were basically jeep cherokees.. but somehow an 80s/90s f150 seems right for say perimeter guard duties.

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>>16131242
don't even remember, it's been on there since early 2015,
I found it on some random site,
the reason I put it on there because it lowkey looked like a work truck, so when I tresspass nobody bats an eye, not going around stealing shit, just that the only place you can offroad around here is some ass-hat's property.

>>16106396
But you just described Toyota owners perfectly. Look at all of these threads. Every one.

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>>16128489
>those jeans

>>16132437
meant>>16128199

>>16128150
he said fuck america because we don't get those trucks

>>16128117
I live near by. We should go wheeling sometime.

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>>16128153
I don't know what this is supposed to mean

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>>16128117
That's a cool area

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>>16132715
Noice. I got that one too!

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>>16133022
any one else get pissed off about this being in the photo?

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>>16133743
THIS BOTHERS ME MORE THAN IT SHOOOOOOOUUUUULLLD

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>>16133999
I think it should bother you. It's that kind of simple, small shit that compounds to make a beautiful place into a shithole.

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>>16133743
It sucks, but this pic related is just around the corner. Literally.

Bought a 1993 Nissan Pathfinder 4x4 XE-V6 with a 5 speed manual for 2,900 bucks. It has only 123k miles. How did I do /o/

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What do you guys think of these stinger bumpers on jeeps? just bought one an hour ago. This is a smittybuilt one.

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>>16134183
also bought a new tire carrier and bumper because mounting my spare on the tale gate makes a horrible banging sound against the tub, and having the spare out of my cab is nice since i'm only in a 91 yj. Kinda hyped that i'm making my rig worthy.

>>16119948
It's not an automatic, read the post again. It's a standard transmission.

>>16117415
>>16117736
>it's the faggot with the gay dog again

>>16134088
>>16134068
>>16133022
>>16132715
Damn I need to go do the Colorado passes. I want to go on motorcycle though.

>>16134183
If you use it for offroading, great, if not it's just an extra 50 lb on the front of your Jeep.

>>16134183
kind of cringey and dont seem to serve a lot of actual purpose desu

>>16135254
That's cringy to you!? Jesus Christ, brace yourself for the real world pussy. Kek

>>16135254

go back to /soc/

>>16135254
Yeah actually for trailing, go every few weeks and am probably getting a winch soon, and I'd like to have a nice place to mount it and something to keep it safe.

>>16135257
>>16135277
>>16135542
>samefagging this hard
wew im embarrassed for you anon
sorry everyone doesnt have the same shitty taste as you. if youre not retarded and getting an aftermarket bumper there is no need for le pokey dokey stinger

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WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY
>WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY
WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY
>WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY
WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY
>WHY DOES THIS THREAD MOVE SO SLOWLY

>>16136339
It's only slow because the thread's transfer case is geared really tall

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>>16136359
>Muffled exhaust leaks and incoherant ranting in the distance

>>16136359
It's funnier because I understood that.

Thinking about getting a Suzuki samurai for an off-road toy. How bad are the reliability issues and how expensive are they to maintain. They're pretty cheap in my area and seem like decent performance for the money. Redpill me /o/

>>16136540
Great choice. Very reliable. Parts are cheap and relatively easy to find. Decent aftermarket mods avail. Easy to work on.

Down side is power and cargo/passenger space. 87ish HP. Won't go too fast uphill at highway speed, but once off-road you can go pretty much anywhere. Realistically, only room for 2 humans and gear (plus small dog if you are good at Tetris).

>>16136339
lol you should try going on 420chan.
i can visit once a week and and the thread i started will still be there. they also don't have an archive for that reason

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>>16124718
>>16124479
>>16112314
>>16111856
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>>16128172

What's with all these taylor swift reaction images?

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>>16136540
Found quite often apparently. they're pretty rare up in canada, though. They're normally as reliable and potentially safer than jeeps of the same year.
I don't agree with >>16136846 that the parts are cheap or easily found. but i also live in buttfuckistan (ontario) so everything is hard to find. the upside is that jeep aftermarkets fir on the samarai. and as the response outlines, it's a pretty slow wagon. kinda like this q t (anon-no-more)'s geo tracker >>16128117 (though maybe not since it's from 1997). you could try tossing a merceds I4 diesel or another aftermarket engine to get some more work out of it. but the simple reality is that the aerodynamics (or lack there of) will really be difficult to work with.
samarais and wranglers of old are toys and slow rolling. treat them like that and you'll get all you need out of them.

>>16134790
>Colorado passes
nope. get a ranger instead. listen to kitkat.

>>16136339
>>16136374
I've started three of these threads. the offroad generals either fizz out after 5 responses or get a bit large and fizz out. last time i did, i baktrak'd for one day and came back to find it archived :T
they come in waves. meh. start your own or reply more if you want more responses.

>>16137041
>tangy tangerine machine
kek'd

also, i have 300 of these between my two work computers and home computer. might as well make use of them.

>>16135828
wat. how. who.

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>>16137393
>get a ranger instead
Been there, done that, will never again

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>>16137410
oh golly, you respond and read quickly. also picked out the shitpost out of my long ass post.

never actually asked you though. why never again? what if someone gave it to you for free?

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>>16137420
For free and not have to pay insurance or registration? Sure I'd keep it. Otherwise I'd probably give it to my sister in-law, been looking for a cheap car for her anyway.

I'd be interested in trying out a 4.0 4x4 but I can't see it being better than my Jeep

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>I don't agree with >>16136846 (You) that the parts are cheap or easily found. but i also live in buttfuckistan (ontario) so everything is hard to find. the upside is that jeep aftermarkets fir on the samarai. and as the response outlines, it's a pretty slow wagon. kinda like this q t (anon-no-more)'s geo tracker >>16128117 (You) (though maybe not since it's from 1997). you could try tossing a merceds I4 diesel or another aftermarket engine to get some more work out of it. but the simple reality is that the aerodynamics (or lack there of) will really be difficult to work with.
>samarais and wranglers of old are toys and slow rolling. treat them like that and you'll get all you need out of them.

Yup to most of that. I'm in Colorado, so there are plenty of Sammies in junkyards and parts on CL. I'll disagree a bit on the interchangeability of Jeep aftermarket stuff, but there are still plenty of places with Samurai specific upgrades.

More of Ouray, CO in pic related.

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>>16137582
Stahp ;_;

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>>16137622
He'll stop the day you get a Ranger 4.0 4x4. Nah but if you have that jeep already, you won't be able to pick up a Ranger for under $7500 (CAD, anyway). Which I imagine is twice the cost of that Jeep and probably does the exact same function you want of it.

>>16137582
>doesn't erase the (You) in greentext
hehehe ^__^
I'll defer the disagreement to me libing in buttfuckistan. Eben for my rangerbb, I have to get custom 4x4 shoppes to machine their own little places for me.
But then again, everything is generally more expensive/ harder to find the more north you go.

Also. Would go to colorado. I should also start bringing my phone off roading so i can be part of the offroad-a-gram people like you.

>the brake lights are on
>little mountain goat
I like how you dedicate effort to taking those pictures so we can all enjoy them, too.

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>>16137041
Dont question it, he is being the nicest guy on here at the moment

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>>16137622
Nah. I think I'll post more!

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>>16136339
try /out/ faggot

>mfw the thread i started in october is still active

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>>16138130
>site for fat weebs
>board for people who get out of their house and do shit

no fucking wonder that board is slow as fuck.
pic unrelated

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Anyone else go out trailing last weekend or planning to go this weekend?
>pic related

First time at full flex on this shitty as fuck lift kit the previous owner put on.

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>>16137739
I adore the fact that you don't need a winch where you go. That concept is foreign for me. Once the clay turns to granite on the Canadian Shield, you either get harsh mud / pebbles in the Autumn/Spring or deep snow in the winter. Maybe 2 months of the year you will be able to drive winchless in the dry, soft dirt.

>>16137666
>trips
I have a pic of taytay saying "check 'em" on my work computer and just got home. So you'll have to settle for pic related instead ): </3

Ah well. Thanks, benz-friend! Keep up the good work on the other threabs (including and not limited to your VIN checc'er!)!!

>>16138408
>site for fat weebs
>/k/
>/out/
>/n/
explan dis.

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>>16138550
I'm going down to Kingston, ON over Sunday - Tuesday to maybe pick up a uni grill to go see the glaring blood moon. There's a dark sky viewing area one hour out where they cut down most of the trees.

Otherwise, we'll have to find some offroading areas with enough clearance. The good places would be the highwire cut out lines but those have a bunch of patrollers and steep drops.

No amount of lift besides a belt would be able to get you through those highwire rocks, unfortunately.

Why's the lift kit shitty, anon? Looks like the wheels are doing fine to me (from this one picture of a third of the vehicle) in the weight distrib. of the front tyre against the well.

>>16138555
OH I GOT TRIPS, TOO!! <33

another great piece of news. [b]I FOUND THE IMAGE[/b]

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>>16138570
Another pic, its a cheap lift with overly stiff springs and shocks that, yes work, but are very uncomfortable even from a leaf spring perspective. Since I'm getting more gear the car will be a bit heavier and may soften the ride a bit. Just cheap stuff that's all.

Alphonse on suicide watch.

M A G A
A
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>>16138577
How do those thin tyres work on rocking? Could that be your issue? I could be wrong but I've never actually seen a lifted wranglies with such thin tyres before. Looks like they're synthetic, too and not actual rubber which GREATLY impacts how the vehicle drives (due to what you mentioned about the cheap jeep suspensions).
I still have my rangercc (pronounced rain-jerk-k) which isn't great on suspension either so a set of wrangler, off road, natural rubber tyres from before 2000 helps amazingly with the overall ride.

Despite my Rangercc being really rocky, I have never known the CJ / YJ / TJs for being that much better. partially because all wheel springs and also because they're dedicated off roaders which mean feeling every bump is a huge plus to keep vehicular longevity off the road.

>shocks and springs
>leafs
You mean horizontal shocks? what do you mean shocks, springs, AND leafs?

btw. am going to get a jeep before 2017 to add to my fleet since new contracts = more money to work on a vehicle. what made you get the YJ?

Sorry for the fucking druncc rambling. The erections have slowed down and my friends are all asleep now so I am really talkative and have nothing to do.

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>>16138596
you're chilling bro. it's not the shocks/dampeners, took them of and tested them for stiffness/ too heavy of a weight of fluid, and the springs/leafs are overly stiff for the jeep. There is 0 down travel, and jacking up an individual wheel front or back will raise the entire rear/front of the car. Also there are NO sway bars. Handles like a god damn sports car in corners because of how stiff the springs are. Also, I was kinda on a budget and since the yj is the forgotten child of the wranglers they were cheap and fun I guess. Kinda fell in love with this ones character when I saw it. Non the less I love it. Also its only the 2.5l

pic of trail

>>16138617
Here is a link to the trail if anyone is in the So-Cal/Temecula area. It's just a fire road until the last quarter mile. But fun for moderate crawling and great views out to the ocean over Camp Pendleton.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir//33.456704,-117.3972522/@33.456704,-117.3972522,13z

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Post the car you owned when we memed trump into the highest office

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>>16138617
Okay so my friend just woke up and rolled a weed cigarette so now I'm drunk and high. I hope this makes sense:

>NO sway bars
actually keked out loud. yeah, not sure why i'd think there'd be horizontal shocks on a YJ, lol. that's my bad there.

that's also pretty damn impressive for the length you'd to check for the suspensions (outside of just a classic rust test). if you did that, why didn't you just replace the springs / leafs for the extra $300 (or what i'd imagine from a scrapyard) if you thought that was the issue?
Anyway, did you consider the tyre issue? If you didn't buy them yourself, tyres go a pretty long way in helping suspension than you'd think. You might have to first replace the lift kid / wheel well because the way it's sitting right now might interfere. But it could help even despite the bad suspension.
Why not torsion it a bit just to release it back to factory standards or maybe remove a leaf (if he added one to lift it)

When it comes to the YJ, I don't think they're forgoten. For the price, they're more accessible than the TJs, that's for sure. 2.5s are fine. Don't let the memers tell you that you need an I-6 in order to have fun on a jeep. Especially if you're on a budget.

>>16138639
Would love to go down next winter or so to cali to run a few trails.
That's gonna start my .txt. file of /o/ recommended offroading sites. Thanks, friendo :D

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>>16138734
not tires: I can't see why that would effect suspension quality, though yes different compound tires ride differently they don't contribute much in squeamishness, that's just the tire pressure. They mainly will be different in flexibility and malleability.

Removing leafs: Literaly don't know if it will work and that involves removing all the shit for replacing leafs anyways so, in that case it's either take them out and take a leaf out to find it wont help then do it all over again to get new leafs, effectively doubling the work, or just getting new leafs from the start.

No sway bars: ikr so fucking great and there is practically no body roll even with all my camping gear inside with another person. It's a mericle I got it to full flex.

2.5: I know this that's why i went with it and not th 4.0, i'm an efficiency kinda of person.

Trail: yeah dude I know quite a few more fun moderate/beginner trails that are really fun for camping out or just going for a chillin drive.

>pic is black mountain trail in Ramona CA.

>>16138786
forgot to mention I would be doing almost all the work on the car unless I goto a custom spring shop that will do the whole deal for like $2800, but i'm not that committed to the car yet. (being all new springs, shocks, and doing driveline angles for compensating for extreme flex and downtravel)

>>16138786
Tyres affect them more than you think. Maybe not off road but when off roading, there's not reason you should be worrying about comfort, hehe. Remember that all land yachts prior to 2000s have thick, natural rubber tyres in addition to their overwhelmingly good suspension. The extra weight helps, too.

I was more saying that you could remove the leafs and replace them for a coil. It all depends how long you want to keep the vehicle, of course. i've never looked into getting shocks for my ranger but knowing YJs / TJs, I'm sure a lot of people have done it and done it well. other ways to better suspension is to literally upgrade the seats in your vehicle.
I have half a mind to remove the sway bars in my ranger. they're the things that make me lose control when drifting in rain / sleet.
>inb4 learn to countersteer
make me.

>>16138794
Ouch. That's around 2x more expensive for a full YJ in operational (i use that word lightly) condition I see around here.
I honestly think I'll go for the extra $1000 for the TJ. Not because of any bonus riding experience. But I simply, personally, subjectively like the aesthetic. Also airbags.

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>>16138819
basically we are on the same page running in circles haha. yeah it's not a permanent rig, yet. But I really want it to be safe and functional and comfortable ish. So I think in the near future, or couple months I will just get a new bolt on suspension kit, like a Rubicon express or rugidridge 4-4.5 lift.

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>>16138853
They gave me a weed cigarette to smoke by myself. It's the shittiest weed we've seen ever but holy shit am I high.

here's a really cute picture of taytay

look forward to muh jeep thread.txt soon, too.

>>16138902
what gen/style of jeep are you looking for?

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>>16138907
Hopefully a late year CJ-7. I had a friend of mine's dad who hasn't driven his in 7 years so would love to buy his off him.
Seeing the reality, I would probably go for a YJ at a good price or sell a few guns to get a TJ since I like the look better. IT also has a bit better suspension so grills won't complain about muh bumps. Also: airbags.

The main benefit is the customisability but I really just want to drive on the highway with no doors and no roof. Also the slow rolling rock crawling and being able to spearfish in a jeep would be nice.

>>16138980
I have a friend who bought a 86 cj-7 with a 360 swap and huge lift, totally built for 2500. But it wasn't running completely, he only put 2500 into it and then had a freshly painted 360 v8 cj-7 rig that looks clean as fuck for a total of 5k. I gotta get a picture of it at some point. He bought the cj-7 because he used to own a scrambler but got rid of it and regretted it a lot, and of course now he can't afford a scrambler because of how rare and expensive they are. But yeah anyways, buy a tj if you can haha.

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>>16139656
I'm getting my Ranger winched on Friday and replacing the 1.5 inch lift to around 3 and some Wrangler tyres.

Should I just spend the extra money in building up my work ranger for fun or get the TJ and work that instead?

My fabrication mechanic just told me that putting a ramjet 350 into my Ranger might be feasible since he can shoppe all the adapters and nipples himself for under $700.

Or I could try squeezing a Ramjet 502 into a Jeep TJ, hehehe

>>16140379
if you're getting a winch just buy a harbor freight one and buy a synthetic rope separate, you'll save like a hundred bucks on that, and if you get a tj you can always just swap the winch from one truck to the other. as for the engine idk, seems like something unnecessary.

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>>16140614
Pic related of basic set I'll get. The cheap tree ripper. How to rustproof besides spraying with weird oil once every 9 months?
>swapping the winch
That's the easy part. the winch bumper is what would cost significantly more. Also lifts and tyres and wheels and paint and skids and oh my!
I'll see if my mech has some cheap winch combos down the line.

Turbo jeep or carbeurated jeep? A jeep itself is unnecessary so depends on how much I'm willing to spend on a funwagon later down the line. Besides, I can always switch the Ramjet into an actual sedan one day.

>>16140741
what year is this ranger?

>>16140379
>Wrangler tyres
I am currently looking into getting new snow tires and the DuraTracs are on sale everywhere. They market them to off road people and have that added grip for cheap. Are they worth the price? Why do you want Wrangler tires?

>>16140741
well as long as you have at least a winch plate on the jeep then you're chillin.

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i have always wanted a defender,
I want to do the 300tdi swap
is there an affordable alternative?

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>>16141677
Nothing will beat the feel of a defender. Even if it's a series 2. An alternative would be a cheaper oldschool G-Wagon or a modern Jeep Rubicon, unfortunately.

Why do a diesel swap? Don't like the British motor? );

>>16141677
Used Cj or the with a 4bt.

Or a bronco with a diesel. I know it's a relatively straightforward swap to put a 7.3 in a last gen full size bronco

>>16142061
>Or the
Tj*

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heres my off roader. will climb a tree.

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>>16142061
>>16142067
Compared to the defenders of old, the suspensions would be significantly smoother than TJs and CJs so that's why I hesitated to mention those to him.
Also, it's a straight forward swap because the old ford throttle bodies, tubes, connexions literally fit into everything due to them being grossly oversized. Bronco, Ramchargers, K5s. Mmmmmmmm.

>>16140741
>>16140379
I will report back with winch and jack upgrades for my rangercc. But Friday is BaeDay so hoping she doesn't take up too much of my time uwu and I'll get a chance to actually visit my mechanic for the overhauls.

>>16142095
Now that's what I call baracks!

>>16142198
TJ is pretty cush tbqh.

>>16142095
Nice scout bruh

>>16142201
Fuck I'm thinking of the YJs. Yeah, I'm faded today, too.

I literally mentioned above two posts in yesterday's Jeep Wrangler that the TJs have better suspension and now I'm monging all over the place.

How are you kitkat
OLH will be accepted soon. i made an account and haven't been approved yet either. wade takes time.

I'll try to keep this thread alive as long as possible since the OVG is dying like always once the two anons with their questions leave to actually go offroading / other non computer stuff without the tether of technology.

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Any other norwayfags going?
i am.

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>>16142793
There is like four of us

I'm working, two of them live far up north and the fourth already drive a 372 HiLux... I wouldn't expect it

>>16142793
pls take pics

>tfw no arctic in america

>>16142095
Pretty sure the angle of departure is too small to climb trees. :) I never get the advantage of two different angles.

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its already 40 years but its a Toyota, so its still a good offroader

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>>16142976
If you were enough of a madman & richfag you could probably ship any vehicle up to Iceland and they'd customize it for you

They also have standard packages for Wranglers

>>16144058

b a s e d

Passed by another Rangerfag on the road near my neighbourhood here. From the 30 second conversation at the red light, he had a set of Discoverer Coopers on his 2009 V6 offroad trim with 2inch torsion adjusters in the front and stock back. A lot of lights on here too.

Sound off if you happen to be a NEETfag and happen to just be here. Red and tinted windows too. 8/10 effort for going to have to hand roll down the side passenger window in order to talk to me

>>16144058
AH I totally forgot about the landcruisers. Those are damn good Defender replacements.

>>16144066
Why not do a customisation in the US and then drag it over to Iceland? Fill the vehicle full of fuel (in cans) too to offset the cost by a small bit.

>>16144499
I'm not sure I follow...

>>16142976 says "no arctic in America", aka that Arctic Truck doesnt work in America. Then I said he could probably ship a vehicle to Iceland, where they do most of their business, have it modified and then sent back to the US

>>16140962
idunno. Looks like a 2002. Don't really care, desu since the winch is the important part.

>>16141008
idunno. cheap and prolific. cooper makes good tyres too but depending on what you dribe and where you live, don't fall for offroad = winter grip meme. you might waste a LOT of fuel just by spinning the larger diameter or on the extra bit of rubber

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>>16144499
i also like the defender, and willys Jeep, but i gotta admit i'm a Toyota fanboy

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>>16144518
>I met a ranger fag today on the road
>talked to him about rangers at a red light
>wondered if he browses /o/

also,
>horny over 4runners and land cruisers

also,
>wanting to get icelandic offroader
>issue with customisation due to small country
just get them customised from where you're importing them from. none of this is too extreme, i'm just adding onto what you're saying and blogposting a bit.

>>16144552
From someone who would love either of those TJs getting washed away, that is actually a very sad picture.

>>16142049
dang, I want a defender but the all seem like the north american ones are over 50k

I don't know if its worth fucking around with importing on.

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>>16144799
Here's the reality (I'm so sorry, anon. I know this feel all to well, too):
Land Rovers and Jaguars have very complex systems since they build them all in jolly ol' England. They have little outsourcing and are respectable for this but also means they shoehorn ALL owners into using their certified mechanics to deal with their repairs and computers.
This is true even of the old Defenders and X Series. If you can't afford the first premium to buy a shiny new Defender, odds are you can't afford the cost to maintenance them in the one or two Land Rover certified mechanics in your entire country.

This is why I would recommend a G-Wagon or Jeep. Or this thing: >>16144058

Sorry, anon </3

>>16144830
>country
that should say "county"

oops. nb.

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>>16144830
why you got to do this to me bb

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>>16144940
I DON'T KNOW. Blame the British.
Have an ueber cute swifite to mend that heart.

>>16138786
>Ramona, CA
nigga you're in my area

>>16145063
>>16138786
Sup East county fags. Santee here, going out to Ramona to camp tomorrow.

>>16144799

Look at the imported ex-MOD vehicles. The American V8 models are meme-machines.

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yj guy here
>>16145179
tfw I live near San Diego a quarter mile from the beach and no were near east county.
>>16145063
Kinda, about an hour from Ramona

>>16145965
>>16145965
Shiiieeettt. The beach is cool but I love the mountains more

>>16145985
yeah bro I feel the same, beach is sick but I never go anymore, after childhood that shit is boring to me. I don't even really surf but I sometimes body bored and what not.

>>16145988
Yeah I practically grew up at Torrey pines Beach. I only ever go surfing with one friend maybe once a month if not less. I'm always going as far east as I can any chance I get though. Probably because I'd never been further than El Cajon growing up.

One of my AT3 tires has a slow leak. Losing probably 15 psi a week. Is there an easy way to fix this myself?

I was happy refilling it (and checking my other tires) every time I filled up on gas with the stations air pump, but some wasteman cut the hose off and they haven't replaced it yet. I was just going to do that until the tire wore out. Then I realized I drive 5k a year and it'll take god damn forever. Time to fix it..

>>16146072
Bring it somewhere to repair the leak honestly, for you convenience.

>>16142915

oh i am ATfag, im going :D

>>16142976

Oh yeah i will snap a few

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>>16145179
>>16145965
Bruh hell yeah I'm out in Lakeside. I actually might hit up Otay Truck Trail tomorrow since it's been a few weeks since I've done any off-roading

>>16146259
>otay truck trail
>otay
>OTAY
Bucketlisted.

How difficult is the trail, btw. Rocks or mud?

>>16146072
>>16146072
Toss it in a large bucket or some sort of bathtub or pool. See if air bubbles evolve.

Otherwise, it could be a slow, diffusive leak through one of the seas that occur when the walls of land rub against a rock and make a hairline crack across the corner. Hairline cracks are either 1-5cm long and can get wider. The also get bigger and can't be found like normal holes and whatever, unfortunately.

>>16146655
>>16146259
Otay is the easiest thing, it's a trail border potrol uses. Super chill, it's kinda an out and back but there are a few really nice places to park and have lunch. Expect to see border patrol homies mobbing around at like 30 everywhere on the dirt, haha.

>>16146687
>>16146072
lmao, just use soapy water and spray around it until you find the hole.

>>16146930
Won't work for a small leak if it's one of those diffusing, annoying ones.

Worth a shot though.

>>16146937
>>16146259
True

also nice Tacoma, super clean.

>>16146923
Neat. do they have winches? Looks like it'd be much more fun to dribe my Ranger across the California coast instead of a sportscar at this point.
Also go see Otaytay rangers in my Ranger, hehehe :E

>>16146949
Meh. Still worth the shot. I guess it's easier than my original idea about the bathtub but that's always what has worked for me when I had a pool. Place the tyre on the bottom and keep the water as steady as possible.

Problems: time/effort, pool required, it's November. Honestly, might just be worth ignoring at this point until it gets to an actual issue

(also, who has that image of the prius owner "taking a fiveminute break" after his tyre was leaking. I forgot to save it and now it's archived under something I can't remember)

>>16146995
I don't remember but chances are yes.

>>16147016
Tell me in weekend and take pics of otaytay. Hope you have a good weekend, anon!

>>16147021
Wrong anon bro, i'm the yj guy.

>>16147029
Fuck you. Have a good weekend, un-irregardless.

>>16147051
You too bro.

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What is the general opinion on the Honda Passport?

I need a daily / offroader in the $1-$3k range, I live in Texas. I'll be transporting me, my dog, and friends usually.

The Passport looks great for camping and roadtrips, too.

Are there any significant problems with Passports?

>>16146655
It's a lot of hard-pack and washboards but there's a a few side-trails that are pretty fun

>>16146949
Thanks!

>>16147021
Ye I'll take some pictures. The views are pretty cool, and on a clear day you can see downtown from the trail

>>16142793
sure, why not
didn't know about this until now but I might as well have a look

>>16109791
>manuals can't offroad. only automagics otherwise you get clutch burning and your dick falls off.
you say that because u cant drive one
>what is engine braking
>what are low range gears

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>>16147090
Oh I forgot about those. Hope someone can answer your question, anon but it seems like it might just be a 4getable 4x4?

>>16147284
Otay! Thanks anon. I love sandcrawling in my MANUAL ranger. Less stuff to clean up afterwards, too. But my 2nd gear starts always scare me when I get stucc. ): and it happens more often than I'd like.

>>16147325
Uh

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>>16138555
It's anomolies and shit man I ain't got a way to explain that shit.

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Nice day today

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>>16147880
Here's the view from the top (hoping it's not sideways)

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>>16148003
One more pic

I have the absolute worst tires for this

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>>16148600
Whoops

has anyone ever been offroad and seen a black guy on the trail?
im serious desu
i dont think that black people actually go into the woods
why is this?

>>16148814
blacks are very superstitious and afraid of many things
they seem to think everything in the woods is out to kill them and will hoot and holler everytime even the smallest bug gets near them
they are much better off in their government housing with their 15 year old tv's

>>16147090
passports are fairly decent and solid vehicles all around
they certainly dont stand out in any serious off road situations but if you plan to do just fairly mild stuff you should be fine
keep in mind the aftermarket for them is basically non existent so if you do have plans to make it more capable off road you better be good at fabricating

>>16148814
They're afraid they might have to swim.

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Back to Death Valley next week.